Pre-match drinking - all change next season

[PeterWithe]

I cant think of a better place to discuss the farce associated with the potential knocking down of a pub popular with Villa fans but I'll happily follow you to a thread where other unfair demolitions are being talked about.

[dave.woodhall]

It isn't just local pubs. We're discussing this one because it's a building used by Villa fans. Many also wanted to keep at least the facade of the Trinity Road stand, but apparently it was no more architecturally important than your average late Victorian town hall.

That's what the world's foremost expert in the field says, so if you want to make sarcastic comments I'd suggest you take it up with him.

[danlanza]

I wasn't aware that Aston Hall & the church were scheduled for demolition and Aston Park was being built on.

Should we really be knocking down interesting buildings just because there is something more interesting round the corner? Aston is full of derelict land, if we can start the industrial revolution surely its not beyond our wit to move a planned road a few hundred metres on a plan.

Why do we only get upset when pubs are involved? There are plenty of far more interesting buildings in Birmingham that are under threat or have been demolished without any of this fuss.

Because pubs are generally a meeting point for so many people on match days. It's just the way it has been for generations.
What are we supposed to do ? Go straight to the ground for over priced shitty lager and our "Match Day Experience?''
Take away the pubs in the area around the ground and you ruin the atmosphere of the whole day.

[dave.woodhall]

I cant think of a better place to discuss the farce associated with the potential knocking down of a pub popular with Villa fans but I'll happily follow you to a thread where other unfair demolitions are being talked about.

www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=49176.105

[pauliewalnuts]

A reprieve? But surely the council must have seen all those ugly Sky banners all over it? Get it demolished this instant!

It's hard to debate stuff like this if you're going to resort to silly nonsense like that.

Nobody was saying they wanted it demolished, people were raising the question of how architecturally significant it was, and the reasons for its proposed demolition.

We all *know* we've knocked down too many buildings in the past, but there has to be a recognition that not everything over 100 years old is architecturally significant by any stretch of the imagination, and it's not just a question of "build around it" or "keep it or bin it", there are much more complex arguments involved.

[dave.woodhall]

I wasn't aware that Aston Hall & the church were scheduled for demolition and Aston Park was being built on.

Should we really be knocking down interesting buildings just because there is something more interesting round the corner? Aston is full of derelict land, if we can start the industrial revolution surely its not beyond our wit to move a planned road a few hundred metres on a plan.

Why do we only get upset when pubs are involved? There are plenty of far more interesting buildings in Birmingham that are under threat or have been demolished without any of this fuss.

Because pubs are generally a meeting point for so many people on match days. It's just the way it has been for generations.
What are we supposed to do ? Go straight to the ground for over priced shitty lager and our "Match Day Experience?''
Take away the pubs in the area around the ground and you ruin the atmosphere of the whole day.

Just because you do something doesn't mean everyone does.

[pauliewalnuts]

Because pubs are generally a meeting point for so many people on match days. It's just the way it has been for generations.
What are we supposed to do ? Go straight to the ground for over priced shitty lager and our "Match Day Experience?''
Take away the pubs in the area around the ground and you ruin the atmosphere of the whole day.

That's true, but there is an element of us, people who probably never go to Aston other than a few hours 20 times a season, suggesting that the best thing for the area is what fulfils our needs.

What happens - and this is a hypothetical question, not referring specifically to the KE - when the choice is keep a pub standing (albeit a building that will quite possibly not be economically able to function as a pub) or it goes and in its place comes something that provides jobs to the local population?

What then?

[myf]

I wasn't aware that Aston Hall & the church were scheduled for demolition and Aston Park was being built on.

Should we really be knocking down interesting buildings just because there is something more interesting round the corner? Aston is full of derelict land, if we can start the industrial revolution surely its not beyond our wit to move a planned road a few hundred metres on a plan.

Why do we only get upset when pubs are involved? There are plenty of far more interesting buildings in Birmingham that are under threat or have been demolished without any of this fuss.

Don't think that's true at all.  Island House by Moor Street?  Natwest Tower?  Bham Library?

[dave.woodhall]

I wasn't aware that Aston Hall & the church were scheduled for demolition and Aston Park was being built on.

Should we really be knocking down interesting buildings just because there is something more interesting round the corner? Aston is full of derelict land, if we can start the industrial revolution surely its not beyond our wit to move a planned road a few hundred metres on a plan.

Why do we only get upset when pubs are involved? There are plenty of far more interesting buildings in Birmingham that are under threat or have been demolished without any of this fuss.

Don't think that's true at all.  Island House by Moor Street?  Natwest Tower?  Bham Library?

I mean on here.

[danlanza]

Because pubs are generally a meeting point for so many people on match days. It's just the way it has been for generations.
What are we supposed to do ? Go straight to the ground for over priced shitty lager and our "Match Day Experience?''
Take away the pubs in the area around the ground and you ruin the atmosphere of the whole day.

That's true, but there is an element of us, people who probably never go to Aston other than a few hours 20 times a season, suggesting that the best thing for the area is what fulfils our needs.

What happens - and this is a hypothetical question, not referring specifically to the KE - when the choice is keep a pub standing (albeit a building that will quite possibly not be economically able to function as a pub) or it goes and in its place comes something that provides jobs to the local population?

What then?

Jobs come first obviously. If by knocking the Eddy down it creates more employment in the area then great, all for it. It is a shame that the building cannot be saved and used within the new plans.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/villa-fans-pub-king-edward-189711

[PeterWithe]

I cant think of a better place to discuss the farce associated with the potential knocking down of a pub popular with Villa fans but I'll happily follow you to a thread where other unfair demolitions are being talked about.

www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=49176.105

As ever its an interesting thread but I'm not sure I'd use it to back up a theory that its only pubs people are interesting in saving.

[pauliewalnuts]

Jobs come first obviously. If by knocking the Eddy down it creates more employment in the area then great, all for it. It is a shame that the building cannot be saved and used within the new plans.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/villa-fans-pub-king-edward-189711

Only two objections I see, and both to do with the road layout and not the demolition.

I would rather it was kept, too, but I understand why sometimes these things have to happen. HS2, for example, and the Fox and Grapes.

The sensible thing to do is look at demolitions of buildings like this very carefully, rather than just plough through and bulldoze them. The "demolish everything" and "demolish nothing" arguments strike me as being equally stupid.

What if, for example, we'd left the old Bingley Hall where it was, and the row of houses nearby, rather than build the convention centre and brindley place?

[Jimbo]

It isn't just local pubs. We're discussing this one because it's a building used by Villa fans. Many also wanted to keep at least the facade of the Trinity Road stand, but apparently it was no more architecturally important than your average late Victorian town hall.

That's what the world's foremost expert in the field says, so if you want to make sarcastic comments I'd suggest you take it up with him.

If the world's foremost expert in the field said that, then there was nothing sarcastic at all about my comment. It was a statement of fact. I'd love to discuss the merits of football architecture with him. If we'd retained some of ours, we might have been able to retain more of our identity, because that's all we have to cling to these days.

And about the Sky banners, Paulie, it wasn't me who decided to mention them in a discussion about a building demolition. In fact, to do so in the first place was a little bit silly, perhaps sarcastic and rather irrelevant to the issue in hand.

[dave.woodhall]

It isn't just local pubs. We're discussing this one because it's a building used by Villa fans. Many also wanted to keep at least the facade of the Trinity Road stand, but apparently it was no more architecturally important than your average late Victorian town hall.

That's what the world's foremost expert in the field says, so if you want to make sarcastic comments I'd suggest you take it up with him.

If the world's foremost expert in the field said that, then there was nothing sarcastic at all about my comment. It was a statement of fact. I'd love to discuss the merits of football architecture with him. If we'd retained some of ours, we might have been able to retain more of our identity, because that's all we have to cling to these days.

And about the Sky banners, Paulie, it wasn't me who decided to mention them in a discussion about a building demolition. In fact, to do so in the first place was a little bit silly, perhaps sarcastic and rather irrelevant to the issue in hand.

I'm sure you and Mr Inglis would have a great deal in common.

The Sky banners are perfectly relevant. If you're so keen on preserving the look of an old building surely you would agree that a plastic banner and a Sky dish are somewhat at odds with its architectural merit. 

[PeterWithe]

Because pubs are generally a meeting point for so many people on match days. It's just the way it has been for generations.
What are we supposed to do ? Go straight to the ground for over priced shitty lager and our "Match Day Experience?''
Take away the pubs in the area around the ground and you ruin the atmosphere of the whole day.

That's true, but there is an element of us, people who probably never go to Aston other than a few hours 20 times a season, suggesting that the best thing for the area is what fulfils our needs.

What happens - and this is a hypothetical question, not referring specifically to the KE - when the choice is keep a pub standing (albeit a building that will quite possibly not be economically able to function as a pub) or it goes and in its place comes something that provides jobs to the local population?

What then?

But taking this to a conclusion local jobs may take precedence over all the country's building heritage, isn't this why we list things?

Fair play to the planning committee, even though I'm still puzzled how they go about rubber stamping things if they didn't even know the basics in this case.