Renew or not Renew?

[dave.woodhall]

Perhaps Fasth56 means that after years of financial support he will stop investing in a season ticket in the same way Randy has stopped investing in the squad..

At the risk of going off on a tangent, why should a club owner keeping putting money in, and isn't this what we hate when it's Manchester City?

[Fasth56]

Have voted no, have had about 10 missed calls from Villa Park in the last couple of weeks obviously to ask if I'm going to renew. My wife didn't want our tickets this year but I did anyway and wished I hadn't. This is nothing to do with McLeish but aimed at Lerner, as people have previously said, if he won't invest, why should I.

Are you serious? You really think Randy hasn't invested?

Dave, I dont quite know why you take issue with every post I make, however to make it clear for you, I will invest in the season ticket when Lerner starts investing in the team again.

[dave.woodhall]

Have voted no, have had about 10 missed calls from Villa Park in the last couple of weeks obviously to ask if I'm going to renew. My wife didn't want our tickets this year but I did anyway and wished I hadn't. This is nothing to do with McLeish but aimed at Lerner, as people have previously said, if he won't invest, why should I.

Are you serious? You really think Randy hasn't invested?

Dave, I dont quite know why you take issue with every post I make, however to make it clear for you, I will invest in the season ticket when Lerner starts investing in the team again.

What do you mean, with every post you make - when has it happened before and why am I not allowed to disagree with you? And as I said before, why should a club's owner have to keep investing?

[Legion]

I am currently undecided for the first time in years. I am seriously considering not renewing but still attending every home game by taking advantage of the numerous offers/deals the club (and viagogo) put on.

[Fasth56]

I would have thought that this season would have shown why a club has to keep investing. If there is no investment and you want to achieve something more than survival then the owner has to invest. If the owner does not want to invest then what is the point of buying the club? If you use a car as the analogy, I wouldn't buy a car that I couldn't afford to run!

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Perhaps Fasth56 means that after years of financial support he will stop investing in a season ticket in the same way Randy has stopped investing in the squad..

At the risk of going off on a tangent, why should a club owner keeping putting money in, and isn't this what we hate when it's Manchester City?

Just to stand still you have to plough money in as an owner, Premiership wise, if he can't keep doing it then he'll have to find somebody who can, after all, he is the 'Custodian' of the club (his words).

I'd love to do a Man City, all clubs have to buy success, they've nearly all done it.
Liverpool, Blackburn, Man Utd, Chelsea.

[dave.woodhall]

A club has to keep investing, but that shouldn't be down to the owner. In particular it shouldn't be used as a way of criticising the only owner/chairman who has ever invested in the club.

[Fasth56]

I fully understand the arguement that the club should be self supporting, but to be successful that will never be the case. This season Lerner has decided to stand still in order to reduce the wage bill, thats his perogative, however by standing still the average gate has dropped significantly and with all the offers for tickets, income has dropped, potentially making future investment less likely. Given that scenario, why should I invest £1000 of hard earned money. I was estactic when Lerner bought the club and was talkng about the five year plan, but it appears that he has miscalculated the financial requirement to fulfil this plan.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

A club has to keep investing, but that shouldn't be down to the owner. In particular it shouldn't be used as a way of criticising the only owner/chairman who has ever invested in the club.

We need more investment than he's willing to give at the moment, a large part of that is down to his incompetence in allowing O'Neill to sign patently unsuitable and unused players on top dollar.

We're stagnating badly and the buck stops with the owner, his footballing decisions are laughably bad, if we didn't have McLeish here it would be the Manager who is currently propping up the Premiership.

He's put us in the position we are in and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect him to get us out of it.

[dave.woodhall]

I fully understand the arguement that the club should be self supporting, but to be successful that will never be the case. This season Lerner has decided to stand still in order to reduce the wage bill, thats his perogative, however by standing still the average gate has dropped significantly and with all the offers for tickets, income has dropped, potentially making future investment less likely. Given that scenario, why should I invest £1000 of hard earned money. I was estactic when Lerner bought the club and was talkng about the five year plan, but it appears that he has miscalculated the financial requirement to fulfil this plan.

Did you buy a season ticket when Ellis was chairman?

[Fasth56]

I fully understand the arguement that the club should be self supporting, but to be successful that will never be the case. This season Lerner has decided to stand still in order to reduce the wage bill, thats his perogative, however by standing still the average gate has dropped significantly and with all the offers for tickets, income has dropped, potentially making future investment less likely. Given that scenario, why should I invest £1000 of hard earned money. I was estactic when Lerner bought the club and was talkng about the five year plan, but it appears that he has miscalculated the financial requirement to fulfil this plan.

Did you buy a season ticket when Ellis was chairman?

Yes, I've had season tickets for the last 25+ years, however football has moved on significantly as I am sure you are aware.

[dave.woodhall]

I fully understand the arguement that the club should be self supporting, but to be successful that will never be the case. This season Lerner has decided to stand still in order to reduce the wage bill, thats his perogative, however by standing still the average gate has dropped significantly and with all the offers for tickets, income has dropped, potentially making future investment less likely. Given that scenario, why should I invest £1000 of hard earned money. I was estactic when Lerner bought the club and was talkng about the five year plan, but it appears that he has miscalculated the financial requirement to fulfil this plan.

Did you buy a season ticket when Ellis was chairman?

Yes, I've had season tickets for the last 25+ years, however football has moved on significantly as I am sure you are aware.

It certainly has. Season tickets didn't used to be called investments for a start.

[Fasth56]

I fully understand the arguement that the club should be self supporting, but to be successful that will never be the case. This season Lerner has decided to stand still in order to reduce the wage bill, thats his perogative, however by standing still the average gate has dropped significantly and with all the offers for tickets, income has dropped, potentially making future investment less likely. Given that scenario, why should I invest £1000 of hard earned money. I was estactic when Lerner bought the club and was talkng about the five year plan, but it appears that he has miscalculated the financial requirement to fulfil this plan.

Did you buy a season ticket when Ellis was chairman?

Yes, I've had season tickets for the last 25+ years, however football has moved on significantly as I am sure you are aware.

It certainly has. Season tickets didn't used to be called investments for a start.

Perhaps it's loose change for you, however to me and a lot of other people it is a significant investment.

[dave.woodhall]

Perhaps it's loose change for you, however to me and a lot of other people it is a significant investment.

Very droll. So why - and this is something I don't understand - is this the time to give up and blame an owner whose worst crime has been spending too much of his own money?

[Kevin Dawson]

Dave, I will renew whoever is Manager and whoever is chairman. Some would call me a fool for this but I will never forget that it's the club I support, not the manager, not even the big-time charlies on the pitch. The club. The Institution. The History. We could be non-league and I'd still buy a season ticket.
 Some things in life come and go, but not the Villa.