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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: TheSandman on March 03, 2012, 06:45:42 PM
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This has come up a few times in the McLeish out thread a few times with quite a few saying they are not planning to renew so I thought it was worth starting a thread as I'm quite curious to see what the results are.
So will you be renewing or not?
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I didn't renew this season but if I had I would have regretted it. And I certainly wouldn't be renewing next season.
No point in throwing good money after bad. Which incidentally seems to be the way Lerner is running the club at the moment too.
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If Randy Lerner doesn't care about me, why the fuck would I care about his investment? I can cheer on the players from my couch.
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A big fat no from me.
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I will renew, but only because I like my seat and the people around me.
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This is my 27th consecutive year of having a ST, only once before have I seriously considered packing it in and that was the last year of DOL.
I will be giving it serious thought this time come the end of May.
Very sad!
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Come on, we'll all change our minds when we do the double over Chelsea in four weeks (which will be our one and only of the season!).
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Yes, of course I will.
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I don't know.... I really really want to, but they're making it so hard for me to say yes to.
I know what will happen, I'll decide I won't then come renewal, I'll think this season will be better and I'll stupidly renew.
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I don't know.... I really really want to, but they're making it so hard for me to say yes to.
I know what will happen, I'll decide I won't then come renewal, I'll think this season will be better and I'll stupidly renew.
Pretty much this.
Or, hold off until the last minute, then be filled with optimism, thinking it can't be as bad again, then get the life savings from under the mattress...
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The impression that I've always got is that there is a hardcore of supporters for whom going to Villa Park every other Saturday is their passion and they will do that no matter how bad it gets. As bad as it sounds, I'm not one of those people and the way the club is being run at the moment I can't be bothered to keep wasting my money. Aside from the ticket prices you've also got the travel, beer, food and programme money that seems wasted when you watch us lose 2-0 to Swansea. If we were giving it 110% every week I'd scrimp and save to get there, but when it's this piss poor effort week in week out, I don't see the point whatsoever.
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It's a yes from me.
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Renew, but then run on the pitch and hurl it at Ginga Non Grata when we are 2-0 down at home to the Blues.
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I didn 't get one this year, and I won't next season.
It's a lot of money to spend on being disappointed and pissed off every week.
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I've had my seat season ticket for well over 20 years and also back in the late 60s/early 70s when I was a young kid sitting in the old Trinity with my Mom and Dad. The period in between was standing on the Holte so I was paying on the gate then each game. I've never considered not renewing before.
Will I renew next season ? Frankly I'm undecided. £500 plus to pay out is a lot of money. Yes if I need to find it I can, but money is tighter than it used to be and choices have to be made week to week more than they used to be. If it was really enjoyable I would make that choice I'm sure, but right now it isn't and theres no sign that it will become enjoyable again that soon.
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Highly unlikely if the clown McLeish is still there. I'll pick the games I want to go to, buy the cheapest tickets available and then just go and sit in the expensive seats that are empty. It breaks my heart to say this but there's only so much most people are willing to take.
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I will renew, but only because I like my seat and the people around me.
My thoughts, although I am still very undecided and the club are not helping with the decision.
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I voted no.
It's going to be a struggle to find the money for mine, but I could find it if i tried hard. With the total lack of ambition from the club, and this terrible anti-football manager, I can't see a single convincing reason why I should bother trying.
The board have given up, so so will I.
Thinking about it, it'll be piss easy. I'll find something else to do with my time, save a shed load of money, and limit how much this sort of thing can get to me and ruin my spare time.
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Renewing or not renewing should have nothing to do with results or who the manager is.
Financial pressure or family / work commitments are valid reasons for giving up your ST. Poor football and an ex-Blues manager are not.
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Always have - Always will.
Its part of my routine and part of my family tradition.
The current manager, the style of football at present and the fact that having a season ticket is not a massive benefit - apart from guaranteeing sitting with my friends - are all concerns.
But I'll be here ........
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Renew, but then run on the pitch and hurl it at Ginga Non Grata when we are 2-0 down at home to the Blues.
This is unlikely. We are rubbish but there is no way we will get relegated this season!
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I will not renew if this man is still in charge.
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i will renew, but i now have a 7 year old wanting to come, they can have mine and my 10 year olds too as long as they let me have under 8 ticket in L3.
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Renewing or not renewing should have nothing to do with results or who the manager is.
Financial pressure or family / work commitments are valid reasons for giving up your ST. Poor football and an ex-Blues manager are not.
That is bullshit, what if the anti football is making your mind up.It has certainly made mine up.
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Renewing or not renewing should have nothing to do with results or who the manager is.
Financial pressure or family / work commitments are valid reasons for giving up your ST. Poor football and an ex-Blues manager are not.
That is bullshit, what if the anti football is making your mind up.It has certainly made mine up.
it aint bullshit, i will have my ticket, i love my day and love being at the villa! today i said in front of some other friends and my son that aston villa are the greatest team in the world, my 10 year old said no we aint but i will never want to go and watch any other team. how i felt pride today!
even in the boozer afetr, all the olbeyun fans all came to gloat at me as they see it as an achievement just to be above us! sad twats!
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not worth it now i'mworking in Cornwall.but have not enjoyed it for a while
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Yes, it is a factory of sadness currently but it's our factory of sadness.
I will be there next season.
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Yes here, although I was surprised that a few friends of mine might not be. Not directly due to Big Feck, but because the atmosphere where we sit together in the Lower Holte is now so bad, due in part to people not liking the manager.
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I don't think it helps one bit if you are basing your renewal decision on current playing events. The only thing that gets hurt is the club. Players and managers come and go, but we need to do what we can to get behind the club, as painful as that might be at times, and especially now. To get through this we need to have a full ground and I know that sounds crazy but going back to the days where you could hear the players voices over the funeral like atmosphere isn't a good thing.
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I will renew, but only because I like my seat and the people around me.
My thoughts, although I am still very undecided and the club are not helping with the decision.
Same for me. I've got a fantastic seat and have sat with the same people for years. But for the first time some of the people I sit with are talking about not renewing, and if that part of the day's enjoyment goes there's a chance I wouldn't renew either. It would be a big wrench and I think if I don't renew next year I'd start going to Kiddie instead and that would be the end of a 40 year relationship between me and the Villa. All in the balance at the minute
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I'll be there as usual.
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There are some that going to The Villa is part of thier life regardless. They will renew whatever I am guessing about they number about 20,000. Its the 8000 others and the very many that will go when they can and based on expectation or hope. That is the difference between average atttendancies of 28 and 38 thousand
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Absolutely no way I could afford a season ticket, but then I never have been able to.
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Renewing or not renewing should have nothing to do with results or who the manager is.
Financial pressure or family / work commitments are valid reasons for giving up your ST. Poor football and an ex-Blues manager are not.
That is bullshit, what if the anti football is making your mind up.It has certainly made mine up.
it aint bullshit, i will have my ticket, i love my day and love being at the villa! today i said in front of some other friends and my son that aston villa are the greatest team in the world, my 10 year old said no we aint but i will never want to go and watch any other team. how i felt pride today!
even in the boozer afetr, all the olbeyun fans all came to gloat at me as they see it as an achievement just to be above us! sad twats!
Whould you buy bottles of beer with nothing in them.Thats like watching the Villa at the moment,and it isn't going to change anytime soon.
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I voted "undecided" but I probably will. When Mcleish is gone I'll be there.
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When you're sitting through the game thinking
'I can't wait for this shit to finish so I can have a drink'
Then you know something must be wrong.
Although that could be because i'm an alcoholic
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Renewing or not renewing should have nothing to do with results or who the manager is.
Financial pressure or family / work commitments are valid reasons for giving up your ST. Poor football and an ex-Blues manager are not.
That is bullshit, what if the anti football is making your mind up.It has certainly made mine up.
it aint bullshit, i will have my ticket, i love my day and love being at the villa! today i said in front of some other friends and my son that aston villa are the greatest team in the world, my 10 year old said no we aint but i will never want to go and watch any other team. how i felt pride today!
even in the boozer afetr, all the olbeyun fans all came to gloat at me as they see it as an achievement just to be above us! sad twats!
Whould you buy bottles of beer with nothing in them.Thats like watching the Villa at the moment,and it isn't going to change anytime soon.
i can see your frustration ad, but we are aston villa fc. i will support them whether good times or bad, i have seen worse and i will see better. mcleishs will come and go. the club will always come first. maybe blind but in the grand scale of things 'WE' are aston villa fc!
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I know what you are saying but its picking games from now on.
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Once the last home game passes this season I won't set foot inside Villa Park again until McLeish is gone. 20 years of blind loyalty have evaporated in the space of 12 months, it really is that simple for me now. If the club think this year has been acceptable then I can't even recognise them as being AVFC any more.
When he goes hope will be restored and I will be first in the queue for tickets.
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Renewing or not renewing should have nothing to do with results or who the manager is.
Financial pressure or family / work commitments are valid reasons for giving up your ST. Poor football and an ex-Blues manager are not.
Why? Football is an entertainment business, this is NOT entertainment!
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I will renew, but only because I like my seat and the people around me.
My thoughts, although I am still very undecided and the club are not helping with the decision.
Same for me. I've got a fantastic seat and have sat with the same people for years. But for the first time some of the people I sit with are talking about not renewing, and if that part of the day's enjoyment goes there's a chance I wouldn't renew either. It would be a big wrench and I think if I don't renew next year I'd start going to Kiddie instead and that would be the end of a 40 year relationship between me and the Villa. All in the balance at the minute
I live within earshot of Aggborough, and it sounds a much better craic than VP
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I'm as fed up with Lerner as I am mcliesh , maybe more actually
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I simply don't know. I had my first season ticket at the age of ten and only gave it up for the last season of DOL. Well, I say gave it up, I bought one but sold it match by match after a shocker at home to Wigan if I recall correctly in October time.
I like my seat and those around me but the row in front didn't renew en masse for this season and, frankly, the football is driving me to distraction.
Therefore, if we stay up and retain the manager, its looking increasingly like I won't renew.
Perversely, if we went down, I would renew like a shot.
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I'll be there.
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Anyone who survived the mid-80s, a period where I had to be pissed to contemplate entering the ground, should have no problem. Then again, it is dis-proportionately priced now.
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With this clueless owner and manager i think it will be no from me, I even had Nicola Keys ringing me this year after the renewal date asking me to renew I did but I have regretted it every home match.
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Anyone who survived the mid-80s, a period where I had to be pissed to contemplate entering the ground, should have no problem. Then again, it is dis-proportionately priced now.
Indeed. Not renewing is a much bigger saving now. Plus although i've not been this season i've seen nearly every game live on free internet streams.
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I don't know.... I really really want to, but they're making it so hard for me to say yes to.
I know what will happen, I'll decide I won't then come renewal, I'll think this season will be better and I'll stupidly renew.
My thoughts exactly!
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I don't know.... I really really want to, but they're making it so hard for me to say yes to.
I know what will happen, I'll decide I won't then come renewal, I'll think this season will be better and I'll stupidly renew.
My thoughts exactly!
Add me into this although I very much doubt I will renew my youngest son's. He has lost virtually all interest.
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I had been taking my young cousin, Alex (who was about 11 years old) for about a season and a half when we decided to have season tickets. It would have been about 2004 I think, and I hadn't had one since the 80s. The first thing I did when I got out of the ticket office was show him how to hurl it away in disgust. We mucked around out side the ticket office for about 10 minutes, chucking them ever more violently across the car park shouting stuff like "I'm never watching that load of rubbish again" (I had to curb the swearing - he was just a child).
I don't take Alex any more, but for me, given the spirit in which I first got it, I don't see any reason to cancel now. I have a season ticket because I can afford it, not really because I expect anything back. There is the madness of the football fan.
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If I didn't go every time we had a crap/average manager, played boring football, didn't win very often, had an owner who looked unambitious, I'd have only been to a fraction of the Villa games I've been to over the past 35+ years.
It may be a factory of sadness, but it's my factory of sadness.
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If I didn't go every time we had a crap/average manager, played boring football, didn't win very often, had an owner who looked unambitious, I'd have only been to a fraction of the Villa games I've been to over the past 35+ years.
It may be a factory of sadness, but it's my factory of sadness.
Hear, hear!
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It's never been a decsion to make. I'll renew come what may.
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As admirable as that stance is, it's the reason supporters in this country are taken for mugs. They owners know no matter how much they take the piss, the main core will be there.
I haven't been this season. Refuse to spend any of my hard earned watching that.
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Have voted no, have had about 10 missed calls from Villa Park in the last couple of weeks obviously to ask if I'm going to renew. My wife didn't want our tickets this year but I did anyway and wished I hadn't. This is nothing to do with McLeish but aimed at Lerner, as people have previously said, if he won't invest, why should I.
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Have voted no, have had about 10 missed calls from Villa Park in the last couple of weeks obviously to ask if I'm going to renew. My wife didn't want our tickets this year but I did anyway and wished I hadn't. This is nothing to do with McLeish but aimed at Lerner, as people have previously said, if he won't invest, why should I.
Are you serious? You really think Randy hasn't invested?
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I don't know.... I really really want to, but they're making it so hard for me to say yes to.
I know what will happen, I'll decide I won't then come renewal, I'll think this season will be better and I'll stupidly renew.
My thoughts exactly!
Add me into this although I very much doubt I will renew my youngest son's. He has lost virtually all interest.
Poor lad, disappointment is character building...of sorts.
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I haven't had a season ticket for years and only attend matches when my son fancies taking in a game. At Wigan he said 'Dad, I really don't want to go to any more Villa games...'. Came as quite a relief to be honest.
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Perhaps Fasth56 means that after years of financial support he will stop investing in a season ticket in the same way Randy has stopped investing in the squad..
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Undecided. Definitely won't renew if the prices go up at all. If they do, TC and I will no doubt have a discussion nearer the time. If we do renew, it certainly won't be until the last possible date.
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Perhaps Fasth56 means that after years of financial support he will stop investing in a season ticket in the same way Randy has stopped investing in the squad..
At the risk of going off on a tangent, why should a club owner keeping putting money in, and isn't this what we hate when it's Manchester City?
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Have voted no, have had about 10 missed calls from Villa Park in the last couple of weeks obviously to ask if I'm going to renew. My wife didn't want our tickets this year but I did anyway and wished I hadn't. This is nothing to do with McLeish but aimed at Lerner, as people have previously said, if he won't invest, why should I.
Are you serious? You really think Randy hasn't invested?
Dave, I dont quite know why you take issue with every post I make, however to make it clear for you, I will invest in the season ticket when Lerner starts investing in the team again.
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Have voted no, have had about 10 missed calls from Villa Park in the last couple of weeks obviously to ask if I'm going to renew. My wife didn't want our tickets this year but I did anyway and wished I hadn't. This is nothing to do with McLeish but aimed at Lerner, as people have previously said, if he won't invest, why should I.
Are you serious? You really think Randy hasn't invested?
Dave, I dont quite know why you take issue with every post I make, however to make it clear for you, I will invest in the season ticket when Lerner starts investing in the team again.
What do you mean, with every post you make - when has it happened before and why am I not allowed to disagree with you? And as I said before, why should a club's owner have to keep investing?
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I am currently undecided for the first time in years. I am seriously considering not renewing but still attending every home game by taking advantage of the numerous offers/deals the club (and viagogo) put on.
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I would have thought that this season would have shown why a club has to keep investing. If there is no investment and you want to achieve something more than survival then the owner has to invest. If the owner does not want to invest then what is the point of buying the club? If you use a car as the analogy, I wouldn't buy a car that I couldn't afford to run!
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Perhaps Fasth56 means that after years of financial support he will stop investing in a season ticket in the same way Randy has stopped investing in the squad..
At the risk of going off on a tangent, why should a club owner keeping putting money in, and isn't this what we hate when it's Manchester City?
Just to stand still you have to plough money in as an owner, Premiership wise, if he can't keep doing it then he'll have to find somebody who can, after all, he is the 'Custodian' of the club (his words).
I'd love to do a Man City, all clubs have to buy success, they've nearly all done it.
Liverpool, Blackburn, Man Utd, Chelsea.
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A club has to keep investing, but that shouldn't be down to the owner. In particular it shouldn't be used as a way of criticising the only owner/chairman who has ever invested in the club.
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I fully understand the arguement that the club should be self supporting, but to be successful that will never be the case. This season Lerner has decided to stand still in order to reduce the wage bill, thats his perogative, however by standing still the average gate has dropped significantly and with all the offers for tickets, income has dropped, potentially making future investment less likely. Given that scenario, why should I invest £1000 of hard earned money. I was estactic when Lerner bought the club and was talkng about the five year plan, but it appears that he has miscalculated the financial requirement to fulfil this plan.
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A club has to keep investing, but that shouldn't be down to the owner. In particular it shouldn't be used as a way of criticising the only owner/chairman who has ever invested in the club.
We need more investment than he's willing to give at the moment, a large part of that is down to his incompetence in allowing O'Neill to sign patently unsuitable and unused players on top dollar.
We're stagnating badly and the buck stops with the owner, his footballing decisions are laughably bad, if we didn't have McLeish here it would be the Manager who is currently propping up the Premiership.
He's put us in the position we are in and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect him to get us out of it.
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I fully understand the arguement that the club should be self supporting, but to be successful that will never be the case. This season Lerner has decided to stand still in order to reduce the wage bill, thats his perogative, however by standing still the average gate has dropped significantly and with all the offers for tickets, income has dropped, potentially making future investment less likely. Given that scenario, why should I invest £1000 of hard earned money. I was estactic when Lerner bought the club and was talkng about the five year plan, but it appears that he has miscalculated the financial requirement to fulfil this plan.
Did you buy a season ticket when Ellis was chairman?
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I fully understand the arguement that the club should be self supporting, but to be successful that will never be the case. This season Lerner has decided to stand still in order to reduce the wage bill, thats his perogative, however by standing still the average gate has dropped significantly and with all the offers for tickets, income has dropped, potentially making future investment less likely. Given that scenario, why should I invest £1000 of hard earned money. I was estactic when Lerner bought the club and was talkng about the five year plan, but it appears that he has miscalculated the financial requirement to fulfil this plan.
Did you buy a season ticket when Ellis was chairman?
Yes, I've had season tickets for the last 25+ years, however football has moved on significantly as I am sure you are aware.
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I fully understand the arguement that the club should be self supporting, but to be successful that will never be the case. This season Lerner has decided to stand still in order to reduce the wage bill, thats his perogative, however by standing still the average gate has dropped significantly and with all the offers for tickets, income has dropped, potentially making future investment less likely. Given that scenario, why should I invest £1000 of hard earned money. I was estactic when Lerner bought the club and was talkng about the five year plan, but it appears that he has miscalculated the financial requirement to fulfil this plan.
Did you buy a season ticket when Ellis was chairman?
Yes, I've had season tickets for the last 25+ years, however football has moved on significantly as I am sure you are aware.
It certainly has. Season tickets didn't used to be called investments for a start.
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I fully understand the arguement that the club should be self supporting, but to be successful that will never be the case. This season Lerner has decided to stand still in order to reduce the wage bill, thats his perogative, however by standing still the average gate has dropped significantly and with all the offers for tickets, income has dropped, potentially making future investment less likely. Given that scenario, why should I invest £1000 of hard earned money. I was estactic when Lerner bought the club and was talkng about the five year plan, but it appears that he has miscalculated the financial requirement to fulfil this plan.
Did you buy a season ticket when Ellis was chairman?
Yes, I've had season tickets for the last 25+ years, however football has moved on significantly as I am sure you are aware.
It certainly has. Season tickets didn't used to be called investments for a start.
Perhaps it's loose change for you, however to me and a lot of other people it is a significant investment.
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Perhaps it's loose change for you, however to me and a lot of other people it is a significant investment.
Very droll. So why - and this is something I don't understand - is this the time to give up and blame an owner whose worst crime has been spending too much of his own money?
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Dave, I will renew whoever is Manager and whoever is chairman. Some would call me a fool for this but I will never forget that it's the club I support, not the manager, not even the big-time charlies on the pitch. The club. The Institution. The History. We could be non-league and I'd still buy a season ticket.
Some things in life come and go, but not the Villa.
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I won't be getting one, but I've never had one due to my location, plus the amount of games that get moved for TV etc (I work sundays, no trains home after mid-week games) but I haven't been to a game since WBA, it costs around £60 for ticket and travel, plus 3hrs on a train there and back on my own, to watch utter dross. I'll probably get back to VP once or twice before the season ends, but I fully understand why plenty of people can't be arsed anymore...
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Dave, I will renew whoever is Manager and whoever is chairman. Some would call me a fool for this but I will never forget that it's the club I support, not the manager, not even the big-time charlies on the pitch. The club. The Institution. The History. We could be non-league and I'd still buy a season ticket.
Some things in life come and go, but not the Villa.
That is admirable but this season I can't even recognise us as being Aston Villa. The McLeish era feels like a nightmare I can't wake up from. I find myself dreading every home game now, which is incredible given how much I used to love going even when were awful in the past. I think it's the lack of hope that kills me, the thought that our current owner feels that this is acceptable whereas in the past I always knew Doug Ellis would make a change and we'd improve eventually.
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No chance, cant see the point in wasting more ££ watching that dross
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Perhaps it's loose change for you, however to me and a lot of other people it is a significant investment.
Very droll.
What is so droll about that statement? For some people it IS a significant investment.
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I gave mine up two seasons ,and it actually hurts to admit i havnt missed it one bit , after having one for years and years .can understand people not parting with there money when its total dross .
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Perhaps it's loose change for you, however to me and a lot of other people it is a significant investment.
Very droll.
What is so droll about that statement? For some people it IS a significant investment.
It is a significant investment, however to me there's a corellation with politics and financial investments. There are no guarantees that you'll receive a return on your investment.
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After having my ticket since 1992 ive finally had enough. my interest in football has just been totally zapped out of me. Sick and tired of these multi millionare playboys acting like babies. i find myself picking up the newspaper looking at the back of it and throwing it down and shouting "Get in the real world" football just isnt fun anymore
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Football needs another injection of something. The top six is set in stone, the top two in something even harder. Manchester City have stolen what fun I used to have with football. The quicker they think they are too big for English football and sod of to a super league the better. Football is ruined thanks to Sky, thanks to the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City. For all his faults and arrogance, Sir Alex has never tried to buy the league. I don't have a season ticket, used to, but then Doug appointed Graham Turner and sacked the European winners far too quickly. I've been pay as you go ever since. Football, if you can call it that, at Villa, is truly shocking.
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Perhaps it's loose change for you, however to me and a lot of other people it is a significant investment.
Very droll.
What is so droll about that statement? For some people it IS a significant investment.
I would imagine that the drollery alluded to by DW is the implication that it is not a significant investment for one such as he, who is as rich as Croesus, probably on the backs of Villa supporters through his his media empire.
But I could be wrong.
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Football needs another injection of something. The top six is set in stone, the top two in something even harder. Manchester City have stolen what fun I used to have with football. The quicker they think they are too big for English football and sod of to a super league the better. Football is ruined thanks to Sky, thanks to the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City. For all his faults and arrogance, Sir Alex has never tried to buy the league. I don't have a season ticket, used to, but then Doug appointed Graham Turner and sacked the European winners far too quickly. I've been pay as you go ever since. Football, if you can call it that, at Villa, is truly shocking.
Fergie spent a fortune trying to buy their first title. And he's rarely stopped spending a fortune since.
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Football needs another injection of something. The top six is set in stone, the top two in something even harder. Manchester City have stolen what fun I used to have with football. The quicker they think they are too big for English football and sod of to a super league the better. Football is ruined thanks to Sky, thanks to the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City. For all his faults and arrogance, Sir Alex has never tried to buy the league. I don't have a season ticket, used to, but then Doug appointed Graham Turner and sacked the European winners far too quickly. I've been pay as you go ever since. Football, if you can call it that, at Villa, is truly shocking.
How is the top six set in stone? Just two seasons ago we were a constant in the top six having finished there for the third consecutive year. MON's departure changed all of that. When Chelsea were going mental everyone thought that was guaranteed for ever and ever. The one thing that is guaranteed is that things always change.
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As were Everton and Liverpool.
It wasn't very long ago when the Sky 4 was set in stone and no one was going to break it. And Spurs and Man City could only dream of finishing in the top 6.
As TV says, it changes eventually, it's just that these days it's more based on ££.
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Football needs another injection of something. The top six is set in stone, the top two in something even harder. Manchester City have stolen what fun I used to have with football. The quicker they think they are too big for English football and sod of to a super league the better. Football is ruined thanks to Sky, thanks to the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City. For all his faults and arrogance, Sir Alex has never tried to buy the league. I don't have a season ticket, used to, but then Doug appointed Graham Turner and sacked the European winners far too quickly. I've been pay as you go ever since. Football, if you can call it that, at Villa, is truly shocking.
How is the top six set in stone? Just two seasons ago we were a constant in the top six having finished there for the third consecutive year. MON's departure changed all of that. When Chelsea were going mental everyone thought that was guaranteed for ever and ever. The one thing that is guaranteed is that things always change.
There were times when O'Neill got us into the top six that we could have done even better. Looking back it may look great but I remember game after game waiting for 75 mins to come so that he would finally bring a sub on. Other managers, such as Atkinson and Taylor, bottled at the key moment. Those top spots are achievable.
Even with all the money in the
game, there can only be one winner. It will go tits up for one of the moneybags clubs soon and Chelsea could lead the way. They do not all look like they are on steady ground, that's for sure.
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I wont be renewing for sure if McClueless is in charge. Im not wasting my time or money on this crap. I will however, pick and choose certain games to go to as the offers have been good this year. I dont agree in completely boycotting but will definitely not renew.
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I will not be renewing because I am not interested in watching dull football matches anymore.
We will never win anything (unless we get an easy run in the League Cup), which is something I have come to accept. However, I would happily go along if I knew we were going to be trying to win every match we played in and to try and do it in an enjoyable way. If that meant losing the odd match, then I could happily accept that as well.
I'm tired of being disappointed all the time and, at the moment, I find going to home games an effort, which is not the way it should be.
So, after 5 seasons in a row, I will not be renewing.
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Football needs another injection of something. The top six is set in stone, the top two in something even harder. Manchester City have stolen what fun I used to have with football. The quicker they think they are too big for English football and sod of to a super league the better. Football is ruined thanks to Sky, thanks to the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City. For all his faults and arrogance, Sir Alex has never tried to buy the league. I don't have a season ticket, used to, but then Doug appointed Graham Turner and sacked the European winners far too quickly. I've been pay as you go ever since. Football, if you can call it that, at Villa, is truly shocking.
I'm sure if you look at he amount of money Man Utd have spent, it will be much more than the majority of other teams.
Ferdinand, Rooney, Veron, for example???
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Me and my Dad have been season ticket holders for 25+ seasons but I honestly think that this will be our last season, unless there is a radical change of policy at the club, with a new manager coming in and trying to play good attacking football.
I dont expect to win the legue or any of the cups, I just want to know that when we are at home irrespective of who we are playing, that we are trying to WIN!
I am still trying to understand McLeish's recent comment that "he does not believe that many managers would do better than him, in the current situation that club is in"
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Number 21 in the queue on the phone looks like the cheap tickets are going fast.
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I'm not going to renew. My interest in Football has majorly declines over the past 2 or 3 years, I used to watch every kick of every game on TV. I just don't any more, It's not just about what's happening at Villa, it's all the wankers in the game, and how the game is run, and probably who it's ran by. I've just had enough, a couple of years away from week in week out attending games won't do me any harm.
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Already renewed. Got the cheaper tickets mind.
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Already renewed. Got the cheaper tickets mind.
just got 3 in P8.Ticket office very busy this morning,who would of thought it.
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Already renewed. Got the cheaper tickets mind.
just got 3 in P8.Ticket office very busy this morning,who would of thought it.
Ours are in P8. Saved a fortune.
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I even got 1 more than last season but at price you can not turn it down.Very good move by the club.
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I renewed on Saturday in the ticket office. Got relocated from K5 to P8 no problem. Excellent value.
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I even got 1 more than last season but at price you can not turn it down.Very good move by the club.
If we get that P8 buzzing, it will add another dimension, similar to when we put our fans back in the Lower North Stand.
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Bring on next season I have got the mojo back.
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Roll on the day of the fixtures coming out. Who have we got first, where are we on Boxing Day and New Years Day, get the FA Cup dates in the diary, who is last match of the season, when do we play Small Heath? Oh yes, they are still in Div 2.
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Already renewed. Got the cheaper tickets mind.
just got 3 in P8.Ticket office very busy this morning,who would of thought it.
Ours are in P8. Saved a fortune.
That's the "Remember, you'll be sitting close to Legion" discount. No refunds when P8 is struck by a meteorite.
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Need some people in P8! It looked very empty on Saturday!
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Already renewed. Got the cheaper tickets mind.
just got 3 in P8.Ticket office very busy this morning,who would of thought it.
Ours are in P8. Saved a fortune.
That's the "Remember, you'll be sitting close to Legion" discount. No refunds when P8 is struck by a meteorite.
Hehehe
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Need some people in P8! It looked very empty on Saturday!
It will be full next season. Wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't already sold out.
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I think if I were going to relocate (from UT), I would go towards the P1 end. I reckon being that close to the away fans would do my nut in.
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I think if I were going to relocate (from UT), I would go towards the P1 end. I reckon being that close to the away fans would do my nut in.
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We often end up next to the home fans at away games so are hoping we won't find it too bad. Fingers crossed.
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Not directly related (well maybe it is) but how many games this season has the lower Holte been full?
Looked very sparse on Saturday.
Not great for the image of the club, the stand where the supposed bedrock of the support is meant to be being that light in numbers.
The club are to be commended for bringing out the cheaper season tickets in limited areas, but -as others have illustrated on this thread- it's not likely to attract new support. Or to convince those who might have bailed in the last 18 months to return.
All that seems to be happening is that existing season ticket holders are moving to parts of the ground where the cheaper deals are on. True, in some cases this has meant that we'll retain some supporters who we would have otherwise lost. But how many of those would've -when it came to the crunch- renewed at the regular price? For all the talk of how utterly arse this season has been (and it has) it takes a lot for regular folk to give up the gig.
The point to all this? I'm not sure really, I'm confusing myself. Maybe have more reasonable prices across the board, so we don't have the weird sight of a half deserted Holte and a packed Witton (and next season the wings). But more importantly, maybe the penny will drop that discounts - although welcome- won't really make the thing more palatable if the club continue to highlight and prioritise the wage bill and making the Deloitte top 20, at the expense of on the field activity.
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I think if I were going to relocate (from UT), I would go towards the P1 end. I reckon being that close to the away fans would do my nut in.
If away fans at the Villa are anything like some of our fans when we're away, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near them.
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If the p8 tickets have sold out in a day, it just goes to show no matter how bad we are, and despite all the fallout of having an ex Birmingham manager in charge, if the prices are right then fans will snap them up. Im think a£150-200 decrease all around the stadium would see the club selling 30000 plus. Furthermore they should restrict match tickets to £20- £25 max.
This would ensure a sell out for most home games IMO, which would bring a "feelgood" factor back to villa park, which would benefit the team playing in front of a more partizan support. I dont think its no conicidence, that Newcastle's improvement this season is due to the fact that they vastly reduced there season ticket prices last summer, so they have been playing in front of near capacity attendances all season.
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I think if I were going to relocate (from UT), I would go towards the P1 end. I reckon being that close to the away fans would do my nut in.
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We often end up next to the home fans at away games so are hoping we won't find it too bad. Fingers crossed.
I'd imagine there will be a fair few empty seats in the other blocks so you may be able to move over for a lot of the games.
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So, existing season ticket holders are re-locating to cheaper seats, and potential new season ticket holders will not get a chance of cheaper seats and will therefore have to fork out in the more expensive seats that they weren't buying anyway.
Doesn't really sound like this is going to work out is it?
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So, existing season ticket holders are re-locating to cheaper seats, and potential new season ticket holders will not get a chance of cheaper seats and will therefore have to fork out in the more expensive seats that they weren't buying anyway.
Doesn't really sound like this is going to work out is it?
No, not true. There were 2,000 £295 tickets. 1,000 for existing season card holders and 1,000 for new season card holders.
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^^^^
Which go on sale nest Monday, 19th march.
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I stand corrected
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I stand corrected
That's alright.
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Me and couple of friends are considering relocating from the middle lower Holte to the Upper Trinity. Seemingly going against the grain on here but that'll add £100 to our season tickets.
Part of the reason is the generally horrible atmosphere in the Holte these days, in part worsened by Big Feck's appointment and the fact some people have never taken to him (the fact I think he's gash regardless of where he came from is irrelevant).
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If the p8 tickets have sold out in a day, it just goes to show no matter how bad we are, and despite all the fallout of having an ex Birmingham manager in charge, if the prices are right then fans will snap them up. Im think a£150-200 decrease all around the stadium would see the club selling 30000 plus. Furthermore they should restrict match tickets to £20- £25 max.
Exactly this. I emailed Paul Faulkner and told him this point - he had the decency to reply but it was the standard party line - our tickets are competitively priced compared to our competitors. I replied to him that when it comes to ticket pricing, it is irrelevant what the other clubs are charging.
If WBA are charging £300 and Villa £500, I am not going to start buying an albion season ticket.
I want a full Villa Park - they are killing any hope of that by charging the prices that they charge. People can watch the game for free on the internet or go and spend saturday afternoon in the pub and watch 3 games for £20 quids worth of beer.
I didn't get a further reply from him when I made that point. I am going to offer them £300 for my season ticket in the centre upper trinity - that is a fair price for the entertainment on offer I think. If they decline my offer, I will not renew and will instead purchase tickets on a game by game basis.
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Welp, after being shown a new seat up in P8 I am 295 quid lighter and the owner of a new season ticket for next season.
A transfer from the North Stand to a nice seat with legroom and a fantastic view for over 100 quid less than my old cramped seat in the upper north - I am actually quite chuffed and looking foeward to next season now.
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Strike while the iron is hot.
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Drums are banned in P8,everyone agreed.Thank you.
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Drums are banned in P8,everyone agreed.Thank you.
Delivery just in
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Anyone notice the that ticket office is completely hit and miss, different lads renewing have had different information depending on the person they spoke too. It can't be that hard to all sing from the same hymn sheet surely?
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Will those in P8 have to deal with the sun in their eyes ?
On the very few times I've sat in the WLS, I seem to remember needing sunglasses and a hat
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Will those in P8 have to deal with the sun in their eyes ?
On the very few times I've sat in the WLS, I seem to remember needing sunglasses and a hat
Don't think P8 is too bad as the roof is in the way but definitely in the lower tier it's a massive problem.
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I renewed, and with the full interest free option available until the end of the month I will save roughly £40 on last season.
I did think a bit more carefully about it this time around - more to do with work and personal circumstances - but I like my seat in the Upper Trinity, and it's a habit and it's just about worth it for the savings and convenience. I'd still probably have a season ticket if we found ourselves in the Blue Square Premier.
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I'd still probably have a season ticket if we found ourselves in the Blue Square Premier.
I think most people would. I get the feeling that the reasons for those not renewing run a lot deeper than the team not playing very well.
I'm seriously tempted to buy one for the first time, £355 for an under 21 in the Upper Holte isn't bad at all... It's just working out whether I can afford the travel every week.
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I'd still probably have a season ticket if we found ourselves in the Blue Square Premier.
I think most people would. I get the feeling that the reasons for those not renewing run a lot deeper than the team not playing very well.
I'm seriously tempted to buy one for the first time, £355 for an under 21 in the Upper Holte isn't bad at all... It's just working out whether I can afford the travel every week.
That's a big commitment, mate.
Having done North Yorks to VP for many years, the return journey can involve a lot of soul-searching.
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Will those in P8 have to deal with the sun in their eyes ?
On the very few times I've sat in the WLS, I seem to remember needing sunglasses and a hat
I sat in the lower Witton for the Odense match, which was in July, and got burned to shit.
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Renewed.
We will rise again.
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I'd still probably have a season ticket if we found ourselves in the Blue Square Premier.
I think most people would. I get the feeling that the reasons for those not renewing run a lot deeper than the team not playing very well.
I'm seriously tempted to buy one for the first time, £355 for an under 21 in the Upper Holte isn't bad at all... It's just working out whether I can afford the travel every week.
That's a big commitment, mate.
Having done North Yorks to VP for many years, the return journey can involve a lot of soul-searching.
I know exactly what you mean mate. Me and Chico had season tickets the last season of Gregory's stewardship. Fuckin hell, the journeys back to south London were long. Very long.
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I wasn't going to renew but just moved my seat from UT to P8 saving £200 plus on the ticket. The said in the ticket office that I just about got the last one.
On the flip side my wife and son have decided not to renew so all in all the club are about £900 light from me.
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Not going to renew like the seat in the upper north but the combination of crap kick off times not the best football & the second little one on the way,Will still do around
15 home games will just get the cheap tickets on offer, Will prob not do the midweek games as its pain in the arse to get out of work from up here.
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I'd still probably have a season ticket if we found ourselves in the Blue Square Premier.
I think most people would. I get the feeling that the reasons for those not renewing run a lot deeper than the team not playing very well.
I'm seriously tempted to buy one for the first time, £355 for an under 21 in the Upper Holte isn't bad at all... It's just working out whether I can afford the travel every week.
That's a big commitment, mate.
Having done North Yorks to VP for many years, the return journey can involve a lot of soul-searching.
I know exactly what you mean mate. Me and Chico had season tickets the last season of Gregory's stewardship. Fuckin hell, the journeys back to south London were long. Very long.
I don't find it too bad, changing at Reading and BNS... But going via London Euston for the WBA match nearly tipped me over the edge, as the train stopped about 56 times and took nearly 4 hours. I think the thing that puts me off going more often is the combined price of ticket and travel, but if the ticket is already paid for, I don't mind travelling. Then there's the added ballache of various kick off times, but I'm no longer contracted to work Sundays, so hopefully that won't be too much of an issue either!
I think the ST's are decent value for a young adult.
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Will those in P8 have to deal with the sun in their eyes ?
On the very few times I've sat in the WLS, I seem to remember needing sunglasses and a hat
With the £285 saving, each, we should be able to afford some decent sunglasses / caps.
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Wish I had a choice.
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Four hours from Euston? Why did you get the London Midland service? You can do it in a bit over an hour on a Virgin service.
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After months of saying I wouldn't be renewing, I've now gone and renewed earlier than ever before! The cheap ST deals swung it for me. I had planned to pay game by game, but guaranteeing your seat at £15.50 per game was too tempting.
Not sure how many people are aware of these offers though. I went down to the ticket office late afternoon yesterday and there were no other customers in there, and just one member of staff! There appears to be plenty of cheap ST left too.
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I went with London Midland because I left it a bit late to book my normal train (via Reading) and they were doing London to Birmingham for £7 return. Never again though, I'd rather pay more to get there and back a lot quicker.
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Update. There are around 30 seats left in P8.
Had a call from a friend and just been done and booked 6. Near the back but definitely still seats for £295 and we will just move across a block for most games.
Good value at £695 for 2 adults and 2 kids.
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Update. There are around 30 seats left in P8.
Had a call from a friend and just been done and booked 6. Near the back but definitely still seats for £295 and we will just move across a block for most games.
Good value at £695 for 2 adults and 2 kids.
I notice they have been marketed as Value Season Tickets but what if the football is poor again as it has been for a lot of this season? Surely its not value then.
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Update. There are around 30 seats left in P8.
Had a call from a friend and just been done and booked 6. Near the back but definitely still seats for £295 and we will just move across a block for most games.
Good value at £695 for 2 adults and 2 kids.
I notice they have been marketed as Value Season Tickets but what if the football is poor again as it has been for a lot of this season? Surely its not value then.
It is less bad value than more expensive seats in those circumstances.
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Update. There are around 30 seats left in P8.
Had a call from a friend and just been done and booked 6. Near the back but definitely still seats for £295 and we will just move across a block for most games.
Good value at £695 for 2 adults and 2 kids.
I notice they have been marketed as Value Season Tickets but what if the football is poor again as it has been for a lot of this season? Surely its not value then.
I see what you are saying, but with the family deal it works out around £18 for me and my son per game.
Having had a season ticket for 27 of my 37 years on this planet it has been a challenge that pushed me to the brink of giving up a real labour of love, but Villa won again.
I doubt we will be as bad next season as the manager will have to make a mark in the summer.
We seem to be linked with some reasonable free transfers which hopefully will see some added quality to the youngsters coming through and I can't believe our midfield will be as weak again next season.