Relegation Possibility

[villajk]

Agreed.  And let's not forget the stoke game is on bank holiday Monday.  Some may want to spend time with the kids/family.  Those of us that are there will just have to shout a bit louder.

I'll be there Pauline, but as is now my custom, I'll Anesthetize myself before hand with copious amounts of Guinness.

Hmmmmm. That sounds like a plan although I don't tend to drink before games.  I shall certainly make up for it afterwards.

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

Our goal difference is -9, Blackburn and QPR both -19, Bolton -24, Wigan -26.
I confidently predict we will be 3-0 down at Norwich on the final day and going down, when Heskey comes on and scores a goal in the 94th minute to keep us up on goal difference. So stop worrying everybody.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Is this thread going to turn into one of those tiresome, never ending 'I'm a better fan than yow' capers?

Maybe it wouldn't turn into one if everytime someone suggest trying to get behind the team someone else didn't trot out the better fan than yow line?

I didn't trot it out as a result of suggesting support for the team, most people who I know scream themselves hoarse giving the team vocal support, surely it's a given that anybody attending will give it their all.

That said, if people are getting depressed or fed up by the fayre on offer, I don't blame them for not wanting to attend, everybody has a tipping point.

All the negative comments are borne of a frustration that 99% of people know that McLeish is not the man for the job, but the owner either thinks otherwise, or simply does not care enough any more to take action.

[Risso]

That's not just what he's doing though. A simple "come on lads, let's get behind the team" argument is one thing - telling people that, for not using their money in a certain way, they should be ashamed is entirely another.

Exactly Monty.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Agreed.  And let's not forget the stoke game is on bank holiday Monday.  Some may want to spend time with the kids/family.  Those of us that are there will just have to shout a bit louder.

I'll be there Pauline, but as is now my custom, I'll Anesthetize myself before hand with copious amounts of Guinness.

Hmmmmm. That sounds like a plan although I don't tend to drink before games.  I shall certainly make up for it afterwards.

I NEVER used to drink pre-match, now I have to, in the absence of a crack pipe.

[PeterWithesShin]

I think some on here and elsewhere need to look at themselves. Of course you cant expect every fan to make it to Stoke but any 'fan' who doesnt make it down who lives reasonably close and has the funds to do so should hang their heads in shame if they are not at the game. Were in the shit big time and our club needs what help it can get. Forget Lerner forget McLeish forget all the boring football just get down Villa Park and support the team. Sat at your PC/ Laptop watching a shit stream isnt good enough for this one. Dont watch it in a crap backstreet boozer spending #30 on beer do your bit for OUR club..

I don't blame anyone for not turning up after the rubbish that's been offered this season. People need to look at themselves? That's a hell of a generalisation, given the economic climate. Not every missing fan is watching games in pubs and many who watch on streams live too far away to attend on a regular basis. You can be certain that the team will get the vocal backing, should it be 30,000 or 40,000.

How is it a generalisation when he specifically says anyone close enough and who has the funds?

Even if somebody "has the funds" and lives near by, what business is it of anybody else's how they spend their time/money?

Yeah how dare anyone try and rally support when we need it. He'll be suggesting people sing at a game next. Disgraceful.

By all means try and rally support.  Saying people should be ashamed for not going though, isn't the way to do it in my opinion.

Maybe he shouldn't have said that bit I agree, but it seems just lately anytime anyone on here suggests supporting the team now that we really need it is derided and called a sheep etc.
My view point has always been, when we're in the shit the club needs us more than ever, regardless of what anyone thinks of the owner or manger. Neither of those are likely to change before the end of the season. But maybe what we do as supporters can help things on the pitch between now and the end of the season.

[KevinGage]

I think some on here and elsewhere need to look at themselves. Of course you cant expect every fan to make it to Stoke but any 'fan' who doesnt make it down who lives reasonably close and has the funds to do so should hang their heads in shame if they are not at the game. Were in the shit big time and our club needs what help it can get. Forget Lerner forget McLeish forget all the boring football just get down Villa Park and support the team. Sat at your PC/ Laptop watching a shit stream isnt good enough for this one. Dont watch it in a crap backstreet boozer spending #30 on beer do your bit for OUR club..

Sacking Mcleish would put 10k on the gate. Oh and our chairman should hang his head in shame not the fans that can't make it

I've banged on about Lerner's incompetence in the past, but I'm starting to think more and more that he simply doesn't give a shit anymore.
I think he liked the idea of having an English football club but was totally ignorant of the fact that it needs continual investment.

He has got an AVFC tattoo on his ankle though, how many Villa fans can say THAT?*


(*quote from one of the General's posts)

It's an interesting point.

We've all bought into the "we need to get the wagebill down/ be more self sustainable" mantra, but did he really think that spending big up top and then hoping to spend next to nothing after 3/4 years was feasible?  Even if we had actually cracked CL? 

Football doesn't operate like most regular businesses, and if he is in anyway serious about this, he must have known that the level of financial commitment would need to be (a) large and (b)  ongoing.

Maybe I am being harsh, perhaps he DID intend to make fairly sizeable investments year on year, but events changed that. Namely the 2008 credit crunch and his divorce.  (I would include the money being thrown at Man Citeh by the Arabs, but he would have been naive in the extreme to think that he would have been the only new billionaire owner in town with the high profile the league now enjoys across the globe).

[Rip Van We Go Again]

You mentioned that word in your post Kevin, which I think sums Lerner up perfectly.

Naive.

[Risso]

Maybe he shouldn't have said that bit I agree, but it seems just lately anytime anyone on here suggests supporting the team now that we really need it is derided and called a sheep etc.
My view point has always been, when we're in the shit the club needs us more than ever, regardless of what anyone thinks of the owner or manger. Neither of those are likely to change before the end of the season. But maybe what we do as supporters can help things on the pitch between now and the end of the season.

Well I think we agree then.  If you can, go and sing your heart out.  I won't be there, but was at five of the last six home and away so bearing in mind the cost involved I've done my bit for the season I feel. 

[villajk]

Agreed.  And let's not forget the stoke game is on bank holiday Monday.  Some may want to spend time with the kids/family.  Those of us that are there will just have to shout a bit louder.

I'll be there Pauline, but as is now my custom, I'll Anesthetize myself before hand with copious amounts of Guinness.

Hmmmmm. That sounds like a plan although I don't tend to drink before games.  I shall certainly make up for it afterwards.

I NEVER used to drink pre-match, now I have to, in the absence of a crack pipe.

I think I may need to try it rather than sit there day dreaming.

[steffo]

Current form since the last game in December (pts)

Wolves 5

Red Scouse 8

Us 10

QPR 11

Stoke 12

Wigan 13

Blackburn / WBA 14

Bolton 16

Wigan in 18th place had 15 points on Jan 1st

We need to win games.

[KevinGage]

Agreed.  And let's not forget the stoke game is on bank holiday Monday.  Some may want to spend time with the kids/family.  Those of us that are there will just have to shout a bit louder.

I'll be there Pauline, but as is now my custom, I'll Anesthetize myself before hand with copious amounts of Guinness.

Hmmmmm. That sounds like a plan although I don't tend to drink before games.  I shall certainly make up for it afterwards.

I NEVER used to drink pre-match, now I have to, in the absence of a crack pipe.

Absinthe works well, I find.

[The Laughing Policeman]

IFwe get relegated, I've already decided to treat next seasons awaydays as adventures going out to meet old chums from way back when.
I've spent the last hour imagining the joys of Millwall, Leeds,Barnsley etc. And lets not forget the 'local' derby against the might of Coventry City. 

[VillaAlways]

As I said in another post The reason why it's so difficult to galvanise support is because as we know if we escape relegation this season What then? Nothing will change Mcleish will still be in a job,we'll still be shit and most likely be relegated next season The board are fully responsible for this horrendous situation and apathy from the fans

[villajk]

IFwe get relegated, I've already decided to treat next seasons awaydays as adventures going out to meet old chums from way back when.
I've spent the last hour imagining the joys of Millwall, Leeds,Barnsley etc. And lets not forget the 'local' derby against the might of Coventry City. 

Damn you TLP.  I was thinking the likes of Forest,  palace and Ipswich.  Now you've reminded me of that lot, I'm afraid, very afraid.  I've never been to a Millwall away game and the very thought of it ...........