AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[mr underhill]

but he constantly blames everything and everyone other than himself everytime something goes wrong and that isn't the action of a gentleman. to paraphrase the good doctor, denigrating others is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings.

[PaulWinch again]

Whilst I never enjoy it, I would take us getting beaten on Sunday provided it hastened his exit. I just cannot see how he can remain in the job, this is the worst season in an absolute age and he has presided over a dubious home record that will take some beating.

[maidstonevillain]

According to the Daily Heil, McSheesh is top of the charts to get the chop, pop pickers! Ahead of Steve Keane and Terry Connor: illustrious company for McClueless.

Firing Line: Will season finale see McLeish become the Villa victim in summer shake-up?

Wouldn,t disagree with much of that list, other than Martin Jol seems to be a bit high at 8. He's done a very efficient job at Fulham this season.

[not3bad]

The Martin Jol one is a bit strange, though once you're below no. 5 you can feel fairly safe I would have thought.

[Concrete John]

I thought these sort of betting markets were based on leaving the job as opposed to actually being sacked, mainly due to the regularly used 'mutual consent'? 

If so I think Rodgers and Lambert should be higher based on the possibility of them being lured away by bigger clubs.

[PaulWinch again]

Lawro's prediction of this weekends game seems to be the standard media thing of, 'I hope he keeps his job because he's one of football's nice guys.' I'm sorry, but being a nice guy has nothing to do with whether someone should keep their job. It should be down to performance, and he has proven himself to be utterly incompetant. The idea of 'ah he's a nice chap, he can't be fired' is absolutely fucking mental.

[Mazrim]

Quite. Give me a really competent bastard any day.

[Risso]

Agreed Mr Winch.  I can't say that he comes across as any nicer or not than the majority of managers.  Possibly an improvement on O'Neill in the niceness stakes, but as you say, who cares.  Alex Ferguson always comes across as an absolute ******, as did Mourinho.  I'd take single-minded winners over incompetent nice blokes every time.

[paulcomben]

According to the Daily Heil, McSheesh is top of the charts to get the chop, pop pickers! Ahead of Steve Keane and Terry Connor: illustrious company for McClueless.

Firing Line: Will season finale see McLeish become the Villa victim in summer shake-up?

That took some doing, considering that Connor has already gone this morning.

[PaulWinch again]

It is an indictment of his performance that we go into the final day of the season not mathematically safe from relegation. I appreciate we won't go down due to goal difference, but not to be mathematically safe shows what an awful job he's done.

[not3bad]

Lawro's prediction of this weekends game seems to be the standard media thing of, 'I hope he keeps his job because he's one of football's nice guys.' I'm sorry, but being a nice guy has nothing to do with whether someone should keep their job. It should be down to performance, and he has proven himself to be utterly incompetant. The idea of 'ah he's a nice chap, he can't be fired' is absolutely fucking mental.

Maybe you should focus on this quote of Lawrenson's:

"Villa will stay up but, regardless of that, I think McLeish will leave because the problem is, if he does stay and Villa make a poor start to next season then the fans are going to be chasing him out.

The Villa fans put that advert in the local paper last week calling for McLeish to be sacked and, once the supporters have decided you are not the man for them, that is that. They might as well make a clean break at the start of the summer. "

[PaulWinch again]

Lawro's prediction of this weekends game seems to be the standard media thing of, 'I hope he keeps his job because he's one of football's nice guys.' I'm sorry, but being a nice guy has nothing to do with whether someone should keep their job. It should be down to performance, and he has proven himself to be utterly incompetant. The idea of 'ah he's a nice chap, he can't be fired' is absolutely fucking mental.

Maybe you should focus on this quote of Lawrenson's:

"Villa will stay up but, regardless of that, I think McLeish will leave because the problem is, if he does stay and Villa make a poor start to next season then the fans are going to be chasing him out.

The Villa fans put that advert in the local paper last week calling for McLeish to be sacked and, once the supporters have decided you are not the man for them, that is that. They might as well make a clean break at the start of the summer. "

That large quote doesn't change the fact that he said he'd like him not to be sacked because he's 'one of the nice guys in football.' Lawro is putting the blame of the supporters for hounding him out, rather than focussing on the awful job he's done. Either way whatever gets him out of the club is fine by me.

[pauliewalnuts]

I thought these sort of betting markets were based on leaving the job as opposed to actually being sacked, mainly due to the regularly used 'mutual consent'? 

If so I think Rodgers and Lambert should be higher based on the possibility of them being lured away by bigger clubs.

The markets are usually first to leave, whatever the reason. There's too much murkiness in what constitutes sacking and what doesn't for bookies to distinguish the reasons for a manager leaving.

Also, check out the small print if you're betting on next manager to leave and it is close season.

I had a decent wedge on MON next to leave at something daft like 25/1 in the close season a few weeks before he left. So, when he went, I was delighted (obviously in terms of my financial game, I was, of course, utterly devastated that the Messiah had decided he didn't love us any more and thrown his toys out of the pram, the ******), only to have the bookie say that those markets are actually "first manager to leave in the next season" and as the season hadn't started, they weren't going to honour the bet.

The only reason I got it honoured in the end was because we (at work) deal with them a lot (the bookie in question) and we knew the sportsbook manager, who sorted it for us.

[not3bad]

That large quote doesn't change the fact that he said he'd like him not to be sacked because he's 'one of the nice guys in football.' Lawro is putting the blame of the supporters for hounding him out, rather than focussing on the awful job he's done. Either way whatever gets him out of the club is fine by me.

People who have met Mcleish do think he's a nice guy, and, especially if they are not Villa fans, will feel sympathy for him.  As you say what difference does it make to us as long as he goes?  We don't want nice guy managers who perform badly and I don't think we want the title as 'nicest fans' either, so who cares?

[pauliewalnuts]

Lawro's prediction of this weekends game seems to be the standard media thing of, 'I hope he keeps his job because he's one of football's nice guys.' I'm sorry, but being a nice guy has nothing to do with whether someone should keep their job. It should be down to performance, and he has proven himself to be utterly incompetant. The idea of 'ah he's a nice chap, he can't be fired' is absolutely fucking mental.

Maybe you should focus on this quote of Lawrenson's:

"Villa will stay up but, regardless of that, I think McLeish will leave because the problem is, if he does stay and Villa make a poor start to next season then the fans are going to be chasing him out.

The Villa fans put that advert in the local paper last week calling for McLeish to be sacked and, once the supporters have decided you are not the man for them, that is that. They might as well make a clean break at the start of the summer. "

That large quote doesn't change the fact that he said he'd like him not to be sacked because he's 'one of the nice guys in football.' Lawro is putting the blame of the supporters for hounding him out, rather than focussing on the awful job he's done. Either way whatever gets him out of the club is fine by me.

Lawro is an absolute cock socket of the highest order, who, for years, has sat there perched on his MOTD stool spouting the same dozen or so cliches at random, and getting paid a good wedge for it.

If anything symbolises the increasing shitness of the BBC's football coverage, it is the endurance of dinosaurs like him, and the introduction of gobby fuckwits like Robbie Savage.

Not to mention Colin Shitting Murray and the car crash which is MOTD2