AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[Dave Clark Five]

Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.

Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.

Which I still stand by.

[PaulWinch again]

Either way he's done a diabolical job and has to go.

[danlanza]

By pay-off more likely.

[KRS]

DC5, do you honestly believe Mcleish has done a good job this season with Villa? I appreciate you seem to speak to him a bit, but I just can't see anything he's done that justifies him keeping his position.

Paul. I've only spoken to him twice as it happens. Normally, I am one of the first to slag a manager so I have been a bit hypocritical on here occasionally. I tend to support the underdog but this is not the only reason that I have supported Alex McLeish. I just think that, with a few decent signings and continuation of use of our better reserve players, we can come good next season.
It does not answer your question but it is my gut feeling. Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.

I more often than not agree with and value your opinions on here, but I'm afraid you're way off on this one DC5. I've said it before on here...we wont get relegated this season, but if AM is still in charge next season then relegation is almost a certainty. I hope Randy and co have the bollocks to admit their mistake and take corrective action in the summer.

[Legion]

DC5, do you honestly believe Mcleish has done a good job this season with Villa? I appreciate you seem to speak to him a bit, but I just can't see anything he's done that justifies him keeping his position.

Paul. I've only spoken to him twice as it happens. Normally, I am one of the first to slag a manager so I have been a bit hypocritical on here occasionally. I tend to support the underdog but this is not the only reason that I have supported Alex McLeish. I just think that, with a few decent signings and continuation of use of our better reserve players, we can come good next season.
It does not answer your question but it is my gut feeling. Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.

I more often than not agree with and value your opinions on here, but I'm afraid you're way off on this one DC5. I've said it before on here...we wont get relegated this season, but if AM is still in charge next season then relegation is almost a certainty. I hope Randy and co have the bollocks to admit their mistake and take corrective action in the summer.

So do I, KRS. I have a lot of time and respect for Jon, but I agree completely with the section of your post I have edited in bold. Your final sentence is one I also wish comes to fruition.

[pauliewalnuts]

Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.

Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.

Which I still stand by.

I wasn't the biggest fan of MON, either, but I honestly can't see how anyone can have thought he deserved to be sacked, but McLeish doesn't. It just doesn't add up.

[hawkeye]

DCF its your gut feeling, well it would be difficult to put up a rational arguement to keep him. I spoke to one of the European Cup winners the other night and asked him the question. His answer was "He has lost 8 or 9 thousand supporters  and if they keep him we will lose even more".

[Eigentor]

There are only three reasons not to sack McLeish this summer:

• He hasn't really had the tools to do what he is supposed to be good at: forming a tight defensive team who scrapes 0-0 draws and nicks 1-0 wins. For that, our midfield has been to weak and our defenders too unreliable.
• The board has proven to be useless at appointing managers. Better than to waste another £x millions in compensation and the like is to stick with the devil we know.
• Changing the manager every year is almost always detrimental to the fortunes of a club.

However, the fact remains that we are averaging about one point a game and one goal a game. That is truly woeful. Even though the squad is weak and expectations were low, he has underperformed massively.

My opinion is that even if McLeish is backed AND spends wisely, both big ifs, the best we can hope for is dull defensive football leading to mid-table safety. The worst is that our score of yet unproven (if talented) youngsters are complemented by hapless Bosmans and further waste of space like Hutton. In that case we'll be lucky if there are three teams as poor as Wolves, QPR and Blackburn again next season. Maybe we'll even descend to that level.

To me, that's a very thin upside and a very grim downside.

The backdrop is that I've never really rated McLeish as a manager: not as a judge of players (how many games did he need to realize that Delph isn't a PL central midfielder yet), not as a tactician (one-trick pony and almost lost if he cannot play that one trick) and not as a coach (how many players have improved greatly under the guidance of Big 'Eck?).

[danlanza]

DCF its your gut feeling, well it would be difficult to put up a rational arguement to keep him. I spoke to one of the European Cup winners the other night and asked him the question. His answer was "He has lost 8 or 9 thousand supporters  and if they keep him we will lose even more".

And that we cannot afford. We should listen to said European Cup Winner,because they know how Villa works,the pride, passion and also the expectation of our great club and supporters.

[James]

Is it too much to want to hold your shoulders back and your chin up and be proud to be a Villa fan? That's all I want. Isn't that what any of us want? To even in defeat know that we've lost with all guns blazing and having a damned good go? We'll never have that under McLeech, never. Is it really too much to ask? McLeech HAS to go, he isn't fit to wear the club tie much less manage the club! He's a sham of a manager and a total disgrace to us and our proud and ebviable history, even if the bright future is proving elusive. He is not the answer. If he is, what the fuck was the question???

[danlanza]

Is it too much to want to hold your shoulders back and your chin up and be proud to be a Villa fan? That's all I want. Isn't that what any of us want? To even in defeat know that we've lost with all guns blazing and having a damned good go? We'll never have that under McLeech, never. Is it really too much to ask? McLeech HAS to go, he isn't fit to wear the club tie much less manage the club! He's a sham of a manager and a total disgrace to us and our proud and ebviable history, even if the bright future is proving elusive. He is not the answer. If he is, what the fuck was the question???

What came first.............?

[Dave Clark Five]

Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.

Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.

Which I still stand by.

I wasn't the biggest fan of MON, either, but I honestly can't see how anyone can have thought he deserved to be sacked, but McLeish doesn't. It just doesn't add up.

Two totally separate things that have been mentioned on countless occasions.

[villadelph]

Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.

Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.

Which I still stand by.

I wasn't the biggest fan of MON, either, but I honestly can't see how anyone can have thought he deserved to be sacked, but McLeish doesn't. It just doesn't add up.

Two totally separate things that have been mentioned on countless occasions.

Oh, please Dave. Giving McLeish time is ensuring our slow and painful death. Get with it.

[Dave Clark Five]

Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.

Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.

Which I still stand by.

I wasn't the biggest fan of MON, either, but I honestly can't see how anyone can have thought he deserved to be sacked, but McLeish doesn't. It just doesn't add up.

Two totally separate things that have been mentioned on countless occasions.

Oh, please Dave. Giving McLeish time is ensuring our slow and painful death. Get with it.

See you in Villa Memories.

[villadelph]

Changing a manager does not necessarily work for the best.

Quite.

Like when you were really vocal about wanting O'Neill to be sacked.

Which I still stand by.

I wasn't the biggest fan of MON, either, but I honestly can't see how anyone can have thought he deserved to be sacked, but McLeish doesn't. It just doesn't add up.

Two totally separate things that have been mentioned on countless occasions.

Oh, please Dave. Giving McLeish time is ensuring our slow and painful death. Get with it.

See you in Villa Memories.

Only if you get your way.