AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[john e]

The only thing i've heard is that all the staff who come across him on a day to day basis love the bloke and say he's great to work for.

Perhaps it's a bit like having a dopey boss who you can run rings round.

maybe we could find him a job better suited to his talents then ?

  corporate entertainment or stadium tours or maybe heading up a  meet and greet team at the club shop

[Concrete John]

IF he gets the wage bill under control. IF he gets us midtable. IF he produces entertaining football while doing it next season, does he have a future at VP?

I honestly think that all those IF'S are beyond him Moet.
Most especially the entertaining football bit.

If he does stay, I expect us to sign workhorses for next season and 'I can't believe he's a professional footballer' types like Keith Fahey.

Correct the first if maybe within his remit, although it's largely out of his control and dependant on the board. However the other two 'ifs' are completely beyond him, he won't get us midtable and there is no chance he will ever get a team playing entertaining football. Therefore his time is up.

I can see a midtable finish if he can sort the defence out, but it will be by his usual safety first brand of football.  The problem with that is he needs much more than midtable to win the fans back and unless it's also more entertaining, then some will focus on that more than results anyway.

Which is why it's best for all concerned that he goes.

[PeterWithesShin]

I'm going to piss on everyones chipps and steal the jam out of their doughnuts by saying I have heard 100% nailed on nothing.

[moetvillain]

The only thing i've heard is that all the staff who come across him on a day to day basis love the bloke and say he's great to work for.

Perhaps it's a bit like having a dopey boss who you can run rings round.

Id like to see Hutton run rings round anyone

[DB]

The only thing i've heard is that all the staff who come across him on a day to day basis love the bloke and say he's great to work for.

Perhaps it's a bit like having a dopey boss who you can run rings round.

Id like to see Hutton run rings round anyone

Yes that works, a popular boss but cr*p at his job.

[moetvillain]

In a mere 371 pages McLeish has gone from a Antichrist/Hitler esque bloke to David Brent.  Im almost feeling sorry for him now! 

[Toronto Villa]

i'm going to piss on eveyone's parade as I've heard he's going nowhere

i'm going to piss on your parade as I've heard he's definitely off

Actually, I have heard nothing of the sort but typing it without any justification or source took me all of ten seconds

You will  need to learn that this sort of major news so definitively expressed by someone who rarely posts on here tends to lack just a teeny weeny bit of credibility

Get my drift?

I'd sooner believe someone like Mat Kendrick who has drastically changed his tune in the last couple of weeks and is now almost convinced he'll be gone. So much so that he's willing to put his neck on the line and say as much in a local newspaper. Kendrick, like any journo might get some things wrong, but if anyone is going to be right ahead of any official news it will likely be someone that covers the club for a living. It's so easy to to post an ITK without any fact on the internet and suddenly 20 people think it's the truth and start slating the club without any facts to back it up.

Personally, I think McLeish is way past the point of return, but I have no facts other what I can judge for myself that the club will address matters accordingly in the summer.

[PaulWinch again]

i'm going to piss on eveyone's parade as I've heard he's going nowhere

i'm going to piss on your parade as I've heard he's definitely off

Actually, I have heard nothing of the sort but typing it without any justification or source took me all of ten seconds

You will  need to learn that this sort of major news so definitively expressed by someone who rarely posts on here tends to lack just a teeny weeny bit of credibility

Get my drift?

I'd sooner believe someone like Mat Kendrick who has drastically changed his tune in the last couple of weeks and is now almost convinced he'll be gone. So much so that he's willing to put his neck on the line and say as much in a local newspaper. Kendrick, like any journo might get some things wrong, but if anyone is going to be right ahead of any official news it will likely be someone that covers the club for a living. It's so easy to to post an ITK without any fact on the internet and suddenly 20 people think it's the truth and start slating the club without any facts to back it up.

Personally, I think McLeish is way past the point of return, but I have no facts other what I can judge for myself that the club will address matters accordingly in the summer.

TV did Kendrick indicate he thinks that Mcleish will be gone? I hope so, but I must have missed it!

[Colhint]

I'm going to piss on everyones chipps and steal the jam out of their doughnuts by saying I have heard 100% nailed on nothing.

yeah I heard that too, off a reliable ITK. its all over twitter

[pestria]

IF he gets the wage bill under control. IF he gets us midtable. IF he produces entertaining football while doing it next season, does he have a future at VP?

I honestly think that all those IF'S are beyond him Moet.
Most especially the entertaining football bit.

If he does stay, I expect us to sign workhorses for next season and 'I can't believe he's a professional footballer' types like Keith Fahey.

Correct the first if maybe within his remit, although it's largely out of his control and dependant on the board. However the other two 'ifs' are completely beyond him, he won't get us midtable and there is no chance he will ever get a team playing entertaining football. Therefore his time is up.

I can see a midtable finish if he can sort the defence out, but it will be by his usual safety first brand of football.  The problem with that is he needs much more than midtable to win the fans back and unless it's also more entertaining, then some will focus on that more than results anyway.

Which is why it's best for all concerned that he goes.

Mid table finish if he sorts the defence out?

Our goals conceded are already more or less the same as the current mid table sides.  The main problem is our total inability to score more than goal a game - particularly at home (19 in 18 games) - resulting in a paltry 4 wins.

I don't think anyone can see him ever turning that lifelong trait around.

As you say, that's why its best for all concerned if he goes.

[Merv]

I'm sure I read the other day that, when Blues finished 9th, they still only scored 38 goals in 38 league games. So that's really the model of McLeish's teams; you need to be excellent at one end to finish mid-table.

[Concrete John]

Mid table finish if he sorts the defence out?

Our goals conceded are already more or less the same as the current mid table sides.  The main problem is our total inability to score more than goal a game - particularly at home (19 in 18 games) - resulting in a paltry 4 wins.

I don't think anyone can see him ever turning that lifelong trait around.

As you say, that's why its best for all concerned if he goes.

I'm sure I read the other day that, when Blues finished 9th, they still only scored 38 goals in 38 league games. So that's really the model of McLeish's teams; you need to be excellent at one end to finish mid-table.

It's all comparative as the less you let in, the less you need to score.  How many clean sheets have we had this season?  How many stupid goals let in due to individual errors?

Forget about scoring a load as that won't happen under him, but what might is having one of the best defensive records in the league and a load of 0-0s and 1-0 wins, as he had when finishing 9th with the Scum.  And that's what I'm getting at - we could finish midtable under him doing that, but that's no longer good enough if it ever was.

[N'ZMAV]

i'm going to piss on eveyone's parade as I've heard he's going nowhere

i'm going to piss on your parade as I've heard he's definitely off

Actually, I have heard nothing of the sort but typing it without any justification or source took me all of ten seconds

You will  need to learn that this sort of major news so definitively expressed by someone who rarely posts on here tends to lack just a teeny weeny bit of credibility

Get my drift?

I'd sooner believe someone like Mat Kendrick who has drastically changed his tune in the last couple of weeks and is now almost convinced he'll be gone. So much so that he's willing to put his neck on the line and say as much in a local newspaper. Kendrick, like any journo might get some things wrong, but if anyone is going to be right ahead of any official news it will likely be someone that covers the club for a living. It's so easy to to post an ITK without any fact on the internet and suddenly 20 people think it's the truth and start slating the club without any facts to back it up.

Personally, I think McLeish is way past the point of return, but I have no facts other what I can judge for myself that the club will address matters accordingly in the summer.

TV did Kendrick indicate he thinks that Mcleish will be gone? I hope so, but I must have missed it!

His recent messages are pretty sure that AM will not be here next season.

[pestria]

Mid table finish if he sorts the defence out?

Our goals conceded are already more or less the same as the current mid table sides.  The main problem is our total inability to score more than goal a game - particularly at home (19 in 18 games) - resulting in a paltry 4 wins.

I don't think anyone can see him ever turning that lifelong trait around.

As you say, that's why its best for all concerned if he goes.

I'm sure I read the other day that, when Blues finished 9th, they still only scored 38 goals in 38 league games. So that's really the model of McLeish's teams; you need to be excellent at one end to finish mid-table.

It's all comparative as the less you let in, the less you need to score.  How many clean sheets have we had this season?  How many stupid goals let in due to individual errors?

Forget about scoring a load as that won't happen under him, but what might is having one of the best defensive records in the league and a load of 0-0s and 1-0 wins, as he had when finishing 9th with the Scum.  And that's what I'm getting at - we could finish midtable under him doing that, but that's no longer good enough if it ever was.

I see what you're getting at, but in my opinion the philosophy is totally flawed.   I don't think it's any coincidence that the better teams score more and concede less - i.e. excel at both aspects on the game.  I haven't done the analysis but you the current table looks more highly correlated to goals scored than goals conceded - i.e. the more goals you score the higher you finish.

Putting all your eggs in one footballing basket is such a dangerous strategy; going out for a 1-0 makes you very vulnerable.  Unless you have a defence that is vastly superior to the opposition's attacking threat (e.g. Arsenal under George Graham) there is always a chance you'll concede and then you're fucked.

[Mazrim]

I'll believe nothing unless general internet chatter confirms it.