AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[Merv]

Perhaps not, but for me it fits neatly in the template that the media have created for McLeish - namely, that the fans will have forced him out, the poor guy. Never given a chance, etc, fan power. Rather than a piss poor record and the dreariest brand of football seen in a long time.

Last two games - I think we'll lose 1-2 to Spurs (still in with a chance of CL football, they'll be up for it) and draw 1-1 at Norwich. Finish the season on 38 points.

The can try and paint it that way.

But 4 (maximum 5) home wins and our lowest ever points haul since football was invented in 1992 (as looks likely) tells it's own story. What has he done to even get remotely close to winning the fans over?

I know that, and you know that, but if he goes, this will be the spin put on it: driven out by the fans! Be prepared.

[paul_e]

Perhaps not, but for me it fits neatly in the template that the media have created for McLeish - namely, that the fans will have forced him out, the poor guy. Never given a chance, etc, fan power. Rather than a piss poor record and the dreariest brand of football seen in a long time.

Last two games - I think we'll lose 1-2 to Spurs (still in with a chance of CL football, they'll be up for it) and draw 1-1 at Norwich. Finish the season on 38 points.

The can try and paint it that way.

But 4 (maximum 5) home wins and our lowest ever points haul since football was invented in 1992 (as looks likely) tells it's own story. What has he done to even get remotely close to winning the fans over?

I know that, and you know that, but if he goes, this will be the spin put on it: driven out by the fans! Be prepared.

I've said before, the tabloids can publish my picture and hold me personally responsible, so long as he's not at the club I really don't care what the reasons given for his departure are.

[itbrvilla]

We could - I imagine Lerner will look for any excuse or reason to keep him on. He doesn't want to pay him off, doesn't want to admit he made a mistake, and doesn't want to search for a manager again. He wants to build, and he must think one has to
do that from stability.

I don't know that, but that's what I believe.

True , but 23,000 bums on seats next season might change his mind .

If the Manager does go, will we see the return of 6000 people who, seemingly, won't go while he is there, or will they find another excuse?

If it was at least entertaining and value for money I'd go much more often.  But unfortunately its far from either.

[PaulWinch again]

Perhaps not, but for me it fits neatly in the template that the media have created for McLeish - namely, that the fans will have forced him out, the poor guy. Never given a chance, etc, fan power. Rather than a piss poor record and the dreariest brand of football seen in a long time.

Last two games - I think we'll lose 1-2 to Spurs (still in with a chance of CL football, they'll be up for it) and draw 1-1 at Norwich. Finish the season on 38 points.

The can try and paint it that way.

But 4 (maximum 5) home wins and our lowest ever points haul since football was invented in 1992 (as looks likely) tells it's own story. What has he done to even get remotely close to winning the fans over?

I know that, and you know that, but if he goes, this will be the spin put on it: driven out by the fans! Be prepared.

That's fine they can believe and print what they want, as long as Mcleish is out of this club by the end of May.

[Dave Clark Five]

As the Express and Star has said this week, a bloke who cannot come out of the dugout because of the reaction he thinks he will get from his own fans is admitting he is unable to carry out all of his duties. His position is untenable and I think he realises that as much as anyone.

I think, considering what happened at the end of the Bolton game and what was threatened, by all and sundry, for the Albion game, that he was best keeping a low profile. He did not want a bad atmosphere to upset the team's performance and that was absolutely critical considering our position.
McLeish did come out of the dugout a couple of times during the game. Anyway, since when have we taken any notice of that shit-stirring rag?

[ozzjim]

Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

[Dave Clark Five]

Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour? It is obvious to me why he stayed where he was. If the vile chants had started then we may as well have thrown the towel in there and then. I think he acted in the best interests of the club.

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.

[PaulWinch again]

Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour? It is obvious to me why he stayed where he was. If the vile chants had started then we may as well have thrown the towel in there and then. I think he acted in the best interests of the club.

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.

If he was acting in the best interests of the club he'd resign, genuinely.

[VillaAlways]

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour?

No . I can't get passed how crap he is to notice his sense of humour,dry or not. I literally cringe every time he opens his mouth

[ozzjim]

Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour? It is obvious to me why he stayed where he was. If the vile chants had started then we may as well have thrown the towel in there and then. I think he acted in the best interests of the club.

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.

True, but then I reckon most on this site if they say would go back would. McLeish was the final nail for me in not renewing, and I spent an hour, much to my wife's bemusement last July explaining to a poor fella on the phone from the ticket office my exact reasons for not renewing. Finances are tight, 3rd child born through this season, and I could not justify going to Villa Park already safe in the knowledge of how we were going to play was simply going to anger and depress me with each visit.

As for your assertion of a dry sense of humour, I don't think you are right with it. If he is half as bright as you seem to think at the moment, he would not have said it was a chore to come to the sideline. It makes out that for 1.6 million a year he can't be arsed to get off his chair. It was a poorly thought through flimsy excuse to not get the stick he knew he would get from the fans.

Did he do it for the sake of the team? Possible, but then why not admit it? And more so, if you know that your presence is going to have a negative effect on the side due to quite justified fan reaction to you, then you know it is time to walk away. If he had any decency he would have done following the Bolton game. Our worst  home record in history, and lowest points total since the premier league was created etc... Not sure how he can be defended at all I am afraid.

[Dave Clark Five]

Re your previous post Dave, I would go back if we appointed someone like Martinez for sure. It would be interesting to see if he could get us playing decent football.

As for McLeish, he was shit scarred of popping his head out. If he wasn't, he would not have made up the frankly lamest excuse in the history of shit excuses.

Haven't you noticed that McLeish has a very dry sense of humour? It is obvious to me why he stayed where he was. If the vile chants had started then we may as well have thrown the towel in there and then. I think he acted in the best interests of the club.

Regarding going back, I didn't know you had stayed away so the point was not aimed at you. There are plenty who have said that they will never go back while AMcL is there. I strongly suspect that SOME (apologies for the warleywonder capitals) of these are spouting crap. They have no intention of coming to our games at all and hide behind any fashionable excuse. It is like looking at some of the stuff on the Villa Facebook site etc. There are people on there who just copy what the majority are saying. I bet I could pick a few of them out, stand them in front of the Villa team and say to them 'tell me who is who' with little chance of a correct reply.

True, but then I reckon most on this site if they say would go back would. McLeish was the final nail for me in not renewing, and I spent an hour, much to my wife's bemusement last July explaining to a poor fella on the phone from the ticket office my exact reasons for not renewing. Finances are tight, 3rd child born through this season, and I could not justify going to Villa Park already safe in the knowledge of how we were going to play was simply going to anger and depress me with each visit.

As for your assertion of a dry sense of humour, I don't think you are right with it. If he is half as bright as you seem to think at the moment, he would not have said it was a chore to come to the sideline. It makes out that for 1.6 million a year he can't be arsed to get off his chair. It was a poorly thought through flimsy excuse to not get the stick he knew he would get from the fans.

Did he do it for the sake of the team? Possible, but then why not admit it? And more so, if you know that your presence is going to have a negative effect on the side due to quite justified fan reaction to you, then you know it is time to walk away. If he had any decency he would have done following the Bolton game. Our worst  home record in history, and lowest points total since the premier league was created etc... Not sure how he can be defended at all I am afraid.

Thank you for your reasoned response. I'm prepared to give him more time.

[James]

I'm amazed that anyone would be prepared to give him more time. He has proved himself to be incompetent and clueless on and off the pitch. What do you think that he will achieve with 'more time'?

That's a genuine question btw, not looking for a fight just interested in the answer.

[Legion]

How much time does he need?

[PaulWinch again]

How much time does he need?

Time should be well and truly up, it should have been weeks ago. He has consistently failed this season and won't ever work at Villa.

[Clampy]

I'm prepared to give him more time as well.

A week on Sunday should suffice.