AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[Concrete John]

You never know with Lerner.  It looked like they were going to give it to Kevin MacDonald on the back of one win against West Ham, then promptly changed their minds when we got thumped at Newcastle.

To be fair to them, I was all for K-Mac after that West Ham game and then changed my mind after Newcastle!

[KevinGage]

You never know with Lerner.  It looked like they were going to give it to Kevin MacDonald on the back of one win against West Ham, then promptly changed their minds when we got thumped at Newcastle.

The Newcastle game certainly didn't help (though looking back, that had far more to do with the Dunner being way off the pace, a relative novice alongside him and Friedel showing his age).

I'd say it was our early exit from Europe that sealed it though.

[Concrete John]

What might have been had Carew scored that penalty............

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't think him staying on his arse during the Albion game was a sign of him being scared of the reaction of the fans.

I took it more as him knowing he's off, and not really being overly bothered about what he was seeing.

[Merv]

Perhaps not, but for me it fits neatly in the template that the media have created for McLeish - namely, that the fans will have forced him out, the poor guy. Never given a chance, etc, fan power. Rather than a piss poor record and the dreariest brand of football seen in a long time.

Last two games - I think we'll lose 1-2 to Spurs (still in with a chance of CL football, they'll be up for it) and draw 1-1 at Norwich. Finish the season on 38 points.

[lovejoy]

I don't think him staying on his arse during the Albion game was a sign of him being scared of the reaction of the fans.

I took it more as him knowing he's off, and not really being overly bothered about what he was seeing.

I don't for one minute this McL isn't bothered if we stay up or not. Even if he is off his CV will look worse if we go down. You need to separate a guy's ability from his attitude. He does care I'm convinced of it.

[KevinGage]

Perhaps not, but for me it fits neatly in the template that the media have created for McLeish - namely, that the fans will have forced him out, the poor guy. Never given a chance, etc, fan power. Rather than a piss poor record and the dreariest brand of football seen in a long time.

Last two games - I think we'll lose 1-2 to Spurs (still in with a chance of CL football, they'll be up for it) and draw 1-1 at Norwich. Finish the season on 38 points.

The can try and paint it that way.

But 4 (maximum 5) home wins and our lowest ever points haul since football was invented in 1992 (as looks likely) tells it's own story. What has he done to even get remotely close to winning the fans over?

[The Laughing Policeman]

One from the pub last night.........."McLeish is to football what King Herod was to babysitting."

[Jimbo]

What might have been had Carew scored that penalty............

We'd have lost 6-1?

[Rick_avfc]

I would be very surprised if Mcleish gets another premiership job after he leaves us.  I think he should ply his trade either abroad so he can learn new tactics, style of play etc or just manage teams in the championship.

[Vanilla]

I don't think him staying on his arse during the Albion game was a sign of him being scared of the reaction of the fans.

I took it more as him knowing he's off, and not really being overly bothered about what he was seeing.

I don't for one minute this McL isn't bothered if we stay up or not. Even if he is off his CV will look worse if we go down. You need to separate a guy's ability from his attitude. He does care I'm convinced of it.

Echo that. Like disgruntled players who suddenly find form at the end of a season, managers have to prove their worth to future employers.

That said, I still think talk of his departure are a little premature.

[Irish villain]

I'd say it was our early exit from Europe that sealed it though.

That was one grim night. I remember thinking we looked like a club in decline that night. But consoled myself that I was probably wrong and Lerner was going to pull something big out of the bag again. That night we went out of Europe seemed to signal the road that has led us to where we are now.

[UK Redsox]

What might have been had Carew scored that penalty............

Why didn't Barr.............

Oops, wrong season

[Concrete John]

What might have been had Carew scored that penalty............

We'd have lost 6-1?

"Goals change games."
 

[Dave Clark Five]

We could - I imagine Lerner will look for any excuse or reason to keep him on. He doesn't want to pay him off, doesn't want to admit he made a mistake, and doesn't want to search for a manager again. He wants to build, and he must think one has to
do that from stability.

I don't know that, but that's what I believe.

True , but 23,000 bums on seats next season might change his mind .

If the Manager does go, will we see the return of 6000 people who, seemingly, won't go while he is there, or will they find another excuse?