AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[eric woolban woolban]

It'll be goodbye Alex McLeish, hello Mick McCarthy.

I don't trust this board at all to make the correct appointment.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Pat Murphy suggested that the key so far as Lerner is concerned is to get through these next 3 games and then build in the summer through stability. The inference was that Lerner does not want to admit he made a mistake, thinks sticking with his man will reap rewards in the future (like with Man U and Ferguson all those years ago) and has seemingly bought all the excuses McLeish has been selling all season.

I don't think it as cut and dried that McLeish will go in the summer, relegation or survival.

Pretty much what I posted on another thread a few days ago.
I think RL will stick with AM for 3 reasons:
1. he appointed him controversially against any sense or logic
2. he doesn't want to pay a load more compensation.
3. he's doing the Fergie thing: stick by your man and it will all come good by some sort of miracle

FFS I hope I'm wrong!

[Lizz]

To be fair I'm not sure I'd resign from a 3 year contract just for a bit of dignity.

Too right.

When was the last time a top flight manager really actually resigned? They never do.

Exactly and he must know what's coming for him, and that's a big pay off. I don't begrudge him that particularly, because it's the owner has offered that contract. If he is fired he has every right to claim what he's owed.

If you were fired because you had spectacularly failed at your job would you get a payoff? Only in football is abject failure rewarded with millions of pounds. It's sickening. In a sense can't blame them, but whatever happened to self-respect?

Sometimes it's expedient and financially cheaper to pay off a poor performer, trotting out some kind of mutual agreement bullshit than actually sacking them. The money may not compare to football payouts, but the principle's the same.

I'm not sure self respect is as big a thing nowadays as it may have been years ago. I know my limitations, but if someone offered me more money, even though the job was beyond my capabilities, I'd probably take the job in the short term.

[Steve67]

A way out for both McLeish and Randy is to agree to terminate by mutual consent and release some carefully constructed statement.  Both save face, and we don't really care as we get what we want.

[James]

To be fair I'm not sure I'd resign from a 3 year contract just for a bit of dignity.

Too right.

When was the last time a top flight manager really actually resigned? They never do.

Exactly and he must know what's coming for him, and that's a big pay off. I don't begrudge him that particularly, because it's the owner has offered that contract. If he is fired he has every right to claim what he's owed.

If you were fired because you had spectacularly failed at your job would you get a payoff? Only in football is abject failure rewarded with millions of pounds. It's sickening. In a sense can't blame them, but whatever happened to self-respect?

Sometimes it's expedient and financially cheaper to pay off a poor performer, trotting out some kind of mutual agreement bullshit than actually sacking them. The money may not compare to football payouts, but the principle's the same.

I'm not sure self respect is as big a thing nowadays as it may have been years ago. I know my limitations, but if someone offered me more money, even though the job was beyond my capabilities, I'd probably take the job in the short term.

But would you then expect a big compo payout if you went on to royally screw it up?

[Dave]

If it were written into my contract that I was entitled to it, yes.

[Stu]

But would you then expect a big compo payout if you went on to royally screw it up?

That's the employers problem though. It's not compensation either, it is what (we're assuming) was agreed in the contract - if it doesn't work out, the contract will be paid up.

[James]

But would you then expect a big compo payout if you went on to royally screw it up?

That's the employers problem though. It's not compensation either, it is what (we're assuming) was agreed in the contract - if it doesn't work out, the contract will be paid up.

I know that's how the football world works, I was trying to compare to the real world where failure is not rewarded.

[villajk]

I think he's already as good as gone. 

I heard he was buying a house near stratford upon avon
( was in morrisons though that i heard it)

Lapworth, allegedly.

[Yossarian]

I think he's already as good as gone. 

I heard he was buying a house near stratford upon avon
( was in morrisons though that i heard it)

Lapworth, allegedly.

I didn't think it was Lapworth but he has definitely just bought a house in that sort of area. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the village. I was speaking to someone from there today about it.

[villajk]

I think he's already as good as gone. 

I heard he was buying a house near stratford upon avon
( was in morrisons though that i heard it)

Lapworth, allegedly.

I didn't think it was Lapworth but he has definitely just bought a house in that sort of area. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the village. I was speaking to someone from there today about it.

He currently lives in the same postal  code as us but been told by a couple of people, separately, that's he's bought a rather expensive house in lapworth.

[James]

I think he's already as good as gone. 

I heard he was buying a house near stratford upon avon
( was in morrisons though that i heard it)

Lapworth, allegedly.

I didn't think it was Lapworth but he has definitely just bought a house in that sort of area. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the village. I was speaking to someone from there today about it.

He currently lives in the same postal  code as us but been told by a couple of people, separately, that's he's bought a rather expensive house in lapworth.

Great! I wish him a very happy retirement there 

[villajk]

^^^^^

like

[tomd2103]

Doing his job is one thing, not being honest about the club you support to get people to ring up is another. I'm not sure i could do it.

I've heard him say on air several times that he supports Wolves. Is that what you mean ?

he supports Villa, he was in the Holte end last night, he's always said this when talking about the Villa

and the reason he isnt giving Mcleish a load of grief is because he touted Alex big time before he got the job, and when he got it SVC said he would be great for Villa, i think he now realises he was wrong, but doesnt want to seem hypocritical

Or that he knows his paid gig writing in the matchday programme would come to an abrupt end if he caned McLeish on air or in print.

[OzVilla]

Like I said when I read it earlier, that statement is as close to gone in 3 games as you could get.

Agreed, that's how it reads to me too.  There's a deffinate inference that the Club is admitting that it's a mess so lets just get through the next 3 matches and that'll be it.

Having said all that, Randy and the Board have been proven to be bullshit artists so it could be just another smokescreen to get people onside for the last few games.