AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[Legion]

I hope and pray he goes at the end of the season so we can rebuild.

[Monty]

I hope and pray he goes at the end of the season so we can rebuild.

And rebuild in the right way. I fear rebuilding in his way may see an outflux (new word of the day) of our more technical footballers, to be replaced by jobbing, limited, 'experienced' pros who uninspire us to relegation. We need a complete reshaping of our footballing philosophy, undertaken by a progressive manager.

[Villanation]

If we finish under 40 points he should be sacked on the grounds that most seasons he would have taken us down.

Spot on this, you have to look at the facts and the facts would be we survive of the backs of others failing, as opposed to our own ability.

40pts at very minimum should be a prerequisite of keeping you job, in actual fact it should be way higher than that but there you go.

[danlanza]

If we don't go down this season he has to go.If we do go down this season,he has to go.Dreadful choice in the first place but to give him a slight bit of credit instead of slating him at every opportunity,was he the only manager who was told that there was virtually no money to spend,the best players were going to be sold and that the club were realistically only looking to finish at best midtable,and he still took the job on!!All the rest wouldn't touch us with a bargepole and can you blame them?Fair play to the bloke for having a go but it has not worked and never will so move on please to another club.Will we get anybody to replace him who is better?I doubt it if they have to work under the same parameters.So where do we go from here?Please somebody,give us all a bit of hope.

[Risso]

I really don't think they have any intention of sacking mcleish. It would take a combination of things to make that happen, possibly as much as relegation

I've seen loads of people saying this, what are you basing the opinion on?  I'm really intrigued as to why so many people are so certain that he's got the safest job there is, I just don't understand why it's so clear to some people that Lerner will think things have gone as well as expected.

In my opinion, any money Randy puts into the club in 2012 and 2013 will be just to keep it afloat.  I don't think he wants or can afford to pay out another chunk on another manager's contract.  I think he genuinely thought he was pulling off a masterstroke in signing McLeish, but now it's all gone wrong he's stuck with his mistake.

[Legion]

I hope and pray he goes at the end of the season so we can rebuild.

And rebuild in the right way. I fear rebuilding in his way may see an outflux (new word of the day) of our more technical footballers, to be replaced by jobbing, limited, 'experienced' pros who uninspire us to relegation. We need a complete reshaping of our footballing philosophy, undertaken by a progressive manager.

You speak and post a lot of sense.

[Ian.]

I really don't think they have any intention of sacking mcleish. It would take a combination of things to make that happen, possibly as much as relegation

I've seen loads of people saying this, what are you basing the opinion on?  I'm really intrigued as to why so many people are so certain that he's got the safest job there is, I just don't understand why it's so clear to some people that Lerner will think things have gone as well as expected.

In my opinion, any money Randy puts into the club in 2012 and 2013 will be just to keep it afloat.  I don't think he wants or can afford to pay out another chunk on another manager's contract.  I think he genuinely thought he was pulling off a masterstroke in signing McLeish, but now it's all gone wrong he's stuck with his mistake.

I reckon your right and he really did believe it was going to be a masterstroke. He might have thought he was getting a Sam Allardyce type who could achieve this and keep us hovering around mid table for a season or two.
It has not worked out and he can not be crazy enough not to see this. So hopefully after the Norwich game he will part company with him.

[Monty]

I hope and pray he goes at the end of the season so we can rebuild.

And rebuild in the right way. I fear rebuilding in his way may see an outflux (new word of the day) of our more technical footballers, to be replaced by jobbing, limited, 'experienced' pros who uninspire us to relegation. We need a complete reshaping of our footballing philosophy, undertaken by a progressive manager.

You speak and post a lot of sense.

Thanks mate (although not sure about speak - I have more time to think about how to phrase posts!).

For me, the fundamental has to be data. I'm unconvinced that the management team really use data-evidenced methods in training, tactics, preparation, signings and the rest of it - merely the 'received wisdom' which leads to so much uninspiring football. Surely our board, businessmen as they are (especially Faulkner, who appears to have run the commercial side very well), swear by the use of data, numbers, facts and evidence? If someone could show them the cold hard facts of our season which the manager cannot see, then maybe they'd change their minds. We live in vain hope.

[Legion]

Actually, they do. I've seen the data sheets on the wall at BMH. Very comprehensive indeed.

[Monty]

Actually, they do. I've seen the data sheets on the wall at BMH. Very comprehensive indeed.

Huh, that is interesting. Do you know what sort of things they pay most intention to?

[Villanation]

Surely we, being Randy Lerner and Aston Villa are at a crunch point, the proverbial crossroads, even Mr Lerner must now be thinking where is all this going.

Do we stay with this manager, in spite of falling gates and fan unrest, in which case I will have to risk precious further Millions on players at the risk of attracting nobodies and losing the lot and we get relegated anyway, in the face of massive hostility getting worse and worse, or....

Do we draw a line in the sand and say Alex, thanks but no thanks, after the safety point is reached that's it, its not worked and I have to put together a cohesive plan for next season, think about putting bums on seats in order to get the money back I'm about to spend in the summer in rebuilding the team.

I know which makes perfect commonsense to me.

[Legion]

Actually, they do. I've seen the data sheets on the wall at BMH. Very comprehensive indeed.

Huh, that is interesting. Do you know what sort of things they pay most intention to?

No, sorry. I was not allowed to take a picture of the sheets. There was a lot of performance-related statistics and general data such as speed, distance covered, time on the ball, etc.

[Legion]

A lot of work is done on proprioception.

[Monty]

Actually, they do. I've seen the data sheets on the wall at BMH. Very comprehensive indeed.

Huh, that is interesting. Do you know what sort of things they pay most intention to?

No, sorry. I was not allowed to take a picture of the sheets. There was a lot of performance-related statistics and general data such as speed, distance covered, time on the ball, etc.

Hm. I'd really love to sit in on a training session, to see how they use it. Because even allowing for Hleb being flippant, McLeish's training methods hardly sound that nuanced.

A lot of work is done on proprioception.

I wonder if that's personal to the player or as a team.

[Legion]

I think it is individually. I'll ask.