AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[WarleyWonder]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/04/19/3044731/aston-villa-ready-to-sack-mcleish-in-summer-and-overhaul

[Oscar Arce]

Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

Absolutely agree.
Lerner has played hard ball with us this season, hoping that next season we are marginally better and the plebs will accept that given the football landscape at present.
We are stuck with this melon, and the only possible way we can change it is to vote with our non renewals, which is what I have done.

[john e]

Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,

you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?

i cant believe what some of you guys must see, its obvious Mcleish will not be around next season.
its an absolute no brainer.

[john e]

Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

Absolutely agree.
Lerner has played hard ball with us this season, hoping that next season we are marginally better and the plebs will accept that given the football landscape at present.
We are stuck with this melon, and the only possible way we can change it is to vote with our non renewals, which is what I have done.

i cant believe your saying these things

[pauliewalnuts]

Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,
you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?

John, I think the mistake you're making is that you're not realising that to many intents and purposes, he is doing the job Randy wanted - helping curb the finances.

I've a feeling they're putting that above absolutely everything else. What I think they underestimated is the effect it has had on attendances, and will have on ST sales for next season.

I don't think they'll panic on ST sales just yet, but I do think it will make them think long and hard about what to do.

I fully expect that they'll see the finances being curbed as still the most important thing, and for that reason (and this includes the cost of getting rid, as well as any work he's doing) they'll keep McLeish.

I genuinely reckon he's going nowhere.

[WarleyWonder]

Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

Absolutely agree.
Lerner has played hard ball with us this season, hoping that next season we are marginally better and the plebs will accept that given the football landscape at present.
We are stuck with this melon, and the only possible way we can change it is to vote with our non renewals, which is what I have done.

i cant believe your saying these things

Give that man a medal he is saying what many of us have been harping on about all season AM HAS TO GO

[paul_e]

Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,
you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?

John, I think the mistake you're making is that you're not realising that to many intents and purposes, he is doing the job Randy wanted - helping curb the finances.

I've a feeling they're putting that above absolutely everything else. What I think they underestimated is the effect it has had on attendances, and will have on ST sales for next season.

I don't think they'll panic on ST sales just yet, but I do think it will make them think long and hard about what to do.

I fully expect that they'll see the finances being curbed as still the most important thing, and for that reason (and this includes the cost of getting rid, as well as any work he's doing) they'll keep McLeish.

I genuinely reckon he's going nowhere.

Any company with any intentions of improving will have financial early warnings in place whereby any change in expected revenues will be noticed.  The reduced crowds currently and reduced number of ST sales will be making it nearly impossible for them to not respond.  The only way he's going to be safe is if that response involves something along the lines of throwing a much bigger than expected budget at the team in the hopes that buying a few new players will get the fans back.  So is throwing extra millions at the current manager likely to have a better effect than getting a new guy with a slightly smaller pot, this is the question they should be looking to answer.

[john e]

Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,
you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?

John, I think the mistake you're making is that you're not realising that to many intents and purposes, he is doing the job Randy wanted - helping curb the finances.

I've a feeling they're putting that above absolutely everything else. What I think they underestimated is the effect it has had on attendances, and will have on ST sales for next season.

I don't think they'll panic on ST sales just yet, but I do think it will make them think long and hard about what to do.

I fully expect that they'll see the finances being curbed as still the most important thing, and for that reason (and this includes the cost of getting rid, as well as any work he's doing) they'll keep McLeish.

I genuinely reckon he's going nowhere.

Any company with any intentions of improving will have financial early warnings in place whereby any change in expected revenues will be noticed.  The reduced crowds currently and reduced number of ST sales will be making it nearly impossible for them to not respond.  The only way he's going to be safe is if that response involves something along the lines of throwing a much bigger than expected budget at the team in the hopes that buying a few new players will get the fans back.  So is throwing extra millions at the current manager likely to have a better effect than getting a new guy with a slightly smaller pot, this is the question they should be looking to answer.

and there is only one answer to that question, and we all know what it is, so does Randy

[Phil from the upper holte]

I just brought tickets for saturday, I said to the bloke is there many left, he paused laughed looked at me and said Erm Yeah

[NiiLamptey]

Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,

you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?

i cant believe what some of you guys must see, its obvious Mcleish will not be around next season.
its an absolute no brainer.

Do contracts with Managers have a performance based clause that allows for contract termination with little or no compensation?

[itbrvilla]

Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,

you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?

i cant believe what some of you guys must see, its obvious Mcleish will not be around next season.
its an absolute no brainer.

Do contracts with Managers have a performance based clause that allows for contract termination with little or no compensation?

No idea but surely they could negotiate a way out saying they'll peyhim either his full or part of his salery per week until his contract expires and if he takes another job in that time he gets nothing else.

[villa for life]

The issue of paying off a manager is grossly exaggerated. Think - a Gabby playing well is worth 15 million, and a Gabby underpeforming is worth approximately half of that. Bent at his best is priceless, and certainly a 25 million pound player, but at the moment we'd struggle to get 18million.

Spending a few million paying off a manager or managers can easily justified.

That's a future debate..now is the time to get behind the manager.

[timeoutbigbar]

Can not see him being removed. This season has felt like an exercise by the club to manage expectations down.

This has certainly been well executed.

so you are another like the many other posters on here who actually believe that come the end of the season Randy and his men will sit down and say, 'yep, happy with that, lets have some more' you really think thats going to happen,

you really believe that Mcliesh is doing the job Randy wanted ?
that the whole thing is going to plan to 'manage expectations down'  ?
i mean is that really what you think ?

i cant believe what some of you guys must see, its obvious Mcleish will not be around next season.
its an absolute no brainer.

Do contracts with Managers have a performance based clause that allows for contract termination with little or no compensation?

No idea but surely they could negotiate a way out saying they'll peyhim either his full or part of his salery per week until his contract expires and if he takes another job in that time he gets nothing else.

Why would he agree to that?  I don't think its particularly standard procedure.  He doesn't seem to care that he is public enemy No.1, which leads me to think he'll drag it out until he's told otherwise.

I hope to god (or any other deity that will make it happen) that John e is right but if the club are fully focused on cutting back on finances, paying his compensation will probably outweigh the loss from attendances.  If we stay in the PL, Randy won't give a monkeys about anything else.

[ktvillan]

Any company with any intentions of improving will have financial early warnings in place whereby any change in expected revenues will be noticed.  The reduced crowds currently and reduced number of ST sales will be making it nearly impossible for them to not respond....

Any normal company maybe.  But this is the company that didn't appear to have any early warnings or controls in place as MON took the wage ratio up to 80% of turnover.   And the company which was daft enough to recruit McLeish against all logic and common sense,  despite it being painfully obvious from his CV that he was neither successful nor entertaining, and would drive revenue down. And let's not forget their financial triumphs with managerial compensation and the Jenas contract.  So if it's good governance you're depending on, your faith may be misplaced.

[Mister E]

So is throwing extra millions at the current manager likely to have a better effect than getting a new guy with a slightly smaller pot, this is the question they should be looking to answer.

That's a bit - at this moment in time - like giving the keys of the asylum to the inmates; or the key of the drugs cabinet to the addicts.
Would anyone trust our current manager with a budget of significant proportions?

Recall: the players at the beginning of the season were saying how great it was to have him as manager: haven't seen any strong comments of this ilk recently; they do not look like they're "playing for the manager". He has not won them over and this does not bode well for any new players next season with him in charge.