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Offline john e

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3555 on: April 16, 2012, 02:29:07 PM »
Admittedly, Kendrick probably, actually knows fuck all about what is going on at the club.
But, he did seem quite insistent that AM is going nowhere.    

I have heard that within the club as well (unless we go down and then a repraisal might take place).


funny, because i've heard exactly the opposite

Take it from me that AM is held in very high esteem in the directors box!



we'l see who's right come the start of next season

Offline James

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3556 on: April 16, 2012, 03:58:53 PM »
Admittedly, Kendrick probably, actually knows fuck all about what is going on at the club.
But, he did seem quite insistent that AM is going nowhere.    

I have heard that within the club as well (unless we go down and then a repraisal might take place).


funny, because i've heard exactly the opposite

Take it from me that AM is held in very high esteem in the directors box!


Then our directors are clearly stupid!

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3557 on: April 16, 2012, 04:57:50 PM »
I think Lerner may well have planned for a downward slip in the league, a drop in attendances and something of a backlash, but I don’t believe the magnitude of our collapse was foreseen.

It’s the absolute and consistent dourness of the football that has been the nail in the coffin for me.  I couldn’t care where he came from and expected us to be worse from last year, however his fun-less football is what is killing the club. 

Offline Handsworth Wood Villa

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3558 on: April 16, 2012, 06:24:01 PM »
In 2009/10 McLeish finished 9th in the Premier League with Blues, which was their highest finish for 51 years.

How did he do it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009-10_Premier_League
« Last Edit: April 16, 2012, 06:26:40 PM by Handsworth Wood Villa »

Offline KevinGage

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3559 on: April 16, 2012, 06:25:23 PM »
Joe Hart on loan?

Offline Rip Van We Go Again

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3560 on: April 16, 2012, 06:27:07 PM »
In 2009/10 McLeish finished 9th in the Premier League with Blues, which was their highest finish for 51 years.

How did he do it?

A solid centre half pairing of Dann and Johnson.
He also had the 'just got promoted and playing above themselves syndrome.'
It all went tits up in the second season.

As Kevin pointed out, Joe Hart on loan.

He saved them a mass of points that season.

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3561 on: April 16, 2012, 06:33:20 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009-10_Premier_League

2009-10 Premier League

9th place
Birmingham City

13 wins
11 draws
14 defeats
38 goals scored
47 goals conceded
-9 goal difference
50 points


Longest unbeaten run - Birmingham City (12 games)

December 2009 Manager of the Month - Alex McLeish

PFA Team of the Year - Joe Hart (Birmingham City)

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By mid-January 2010, he had guided them to a 12-game unbeaten run, a club record in the top division, set a Premier League record by selecting the same starting eleven for nine consecutive games, and been named Premier League Manager of the Month for December 2009, the first Birmingham manager to receive the award. By the end of the season McLeish had led Birmingham to ninth place, their highest finish for more than 50 years.

Come on Alex you can do it!
« Last Edit: April 16, 2012, 06:37:45 PM by Handsworth Wood Villa »

Offline KevinGage

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3562 on: April 16, 2012, 06:43:27 PM »
That 38 goals scored is quite a revealing stat.

Even in a 'good' season, that's pretty dire. 
They pretty much matched that next season - but with a worse defensive record, due to (a)   no longer having Hart between the sticks and (b) Dann's injury.

Goals for has been a big problem for us too this season, so he is at least consistent, in that regard.

Offline TheSandman

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3563 on: April 16, 2012, 06:45:19 PM »
In 2009/10 McLeish finished 9th in the Premier League with Blues, which was their highest finish for 51 years.

How did he do it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009-10_Premier_League

My theory is this. Up until the last two seasons he has always done a decent, if dull, job. Even when he managed third place at Rangers it wasn't entirely his fault as he was doing so in a context of a small budget and at a time Hearts were spending big.

Following that ninth place finish, McLeish brought in Peter 'Jonah' Grant as his assistant following the departure of Roy Aitken. Wherever he's been Grant has brought nothing but bad luck and underacheivement to clubs. Here, this is probably exacerbated by McLeish losing his long term sidekick Andy Watson and putting even more trust in Grant. McLeish has had two bad seasons which just so happen to coincide with his working with Grant. Grant was part of the disastorous Mowbray reign at Celtic, was assistant at relegated West Brom and had a poor time as manager of Norwich.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2012, 06:47:48 PM by TheZogman »

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3564 on: April 16, 2012, 06:58:01 PM »
How dare you suggest the irritating and useless Grant isn't up to it!

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3565 on: April 16, 2012, 07:02:47 PM »
Grant was part of the disastorous Mowbray reign at Celtic, was assistant at relegated West Brom and had a poor time as manager of Norwich.

So he'd be a cheap replacement for McLeish then?

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3566 on: April 16, 2012, 07:12:49 PM »
I think he’ll get the sack in the summer.

I think Lerner may well have planned for a downward slip in the league, a drop in attendances and something of a backlash, but I don’t believe the magnitude of our collapse was foreseen.

In fairness, I expected us above all else to have shown a real gritty determination in every game. Closing down, kicking lumps out of the opposition and making them sweat blood for every point.

The fact that McLeish hasn’t lived up to that basic of expectation, and you might say stereotype, is all the more disappointing.


I agree with pretty much all that but the first line.

Randy seems to be far less interested than in previous years, rightly or wrongly,the finances are the most important thing.

I genuinely think that he will see work being done on the financial side and for him, that will mean the last thing he wants is another expensive severance package.

The other thing is that we are clearly going to have a large turnover of players this summer. The squad isnt big enough and we have a lot of players either out of contract or entering the last year.

He will not want that process to stall while we change manager. In fact, has already got McLeish started on that work.

For me, there is no doubt he will be here. I can, however, imagine him being moved on at Christmas if results continue to be poor, as a greater chunk of the squad renovation work will be done by then.

Offline Villanation

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3567 on: April 16, 2012, 07:18:20 PM »
Admittedly, Kendrick probably, actually knows fuck all about what is going on at the club.
But, he did seem quite insistent that AM is going nowhere.    

I have heard that within the club as well (unless we go down and then a repraisal might take place).

Have to say form what I've been told and this is from somebody that keeps his ear to the ground and has the attention of people like Barnhurst and others and (so not directly at the top but not to far away) McLeish is way far from secure, hunch was from an x player and X Cap't of Villa, he's gone was his guess.

Another point made and not just by him is that Lerner is not the solid repetitive by nature character we think he is, and in fact he's quite volatile, very deep in thought kind of bloke that could easily turn up one day out the blue and that's it.

I would say that if McLeish survives past the end of the season, we have him nest season, I say that because things will go quiet and calm down, I also predict that next season will be the most volatile period in the clubs history, way more so than under O'Leary.

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3568 on: April 16, 2012, 07:33:49 PM »
I've been thinking. All the drawn games, McLeish's celebration after the Stoke game and gesture to someone in the directors box. Its obvious. We are so skint we are having to save money on win bonuses, hence all the second half pressure we invite if we're winning.

 ;)

Offline NiiLamptey

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Re: The Future of Alex McLeish?
« Reply #3569 on: April 16, 2012, 07:39:36 PM »
I've been thinking. All the drawn games, McLeish's celebration after the Stoke game and gesture to someone in the directors box. Its obvious. We are so skint we are having to save money on win bonuses, hence all the second half pressure we invite if we're winning.

 ;)

LOL WOULD EXPLAIN A LOT!

So we are aiming for 17th Spot.. only to be saved by goal difference!

 


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