AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[villadelph]

I just don't understand how bad we need to be in order for him to get the ax.. How long can we be so piss poor and the manager go unscathed. We've looked like a relegation candidate all season.

[Nev]

He's as poor a McNeil. How anybody can support the incompetent, surpine coward is beyond me. We've got to keep backing the players, stay up and wake up from the nightmare of McLeish and his insidious reign in the summer.

i dont think he's doing a good job and i dont believe it will ever get any better,
 but calling him a coward is to a strong word, a coward is right down there with the lowest of the low and Mcleish for all his faults is not one

Coward is the only word I can think of for a manager who is frightened to send his teams out to play in a positive manner, who's attitude seems to be utterly passive when facing the teams that he himself describes as the elite. He also appears to be frightened of taking any sort of responsibility for the dog of a season we are having. I don't know what else to call him.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

It's just occured to me that if we get relegated, we could be playing the likes of MK Dons or Notts County next season.

Horrific.

[Monty]

He's as poor a McNeil. How anybody can support the incompetent, surpine coward is beyond me. We've got to keep backing the players, stay up and wake up from the nightmare of McLeish and his insidious reign in the summer.

i dont think he's doing a good job and i dont believe it will ever get any better,
 but calling him a coward is to a strong word, a coward is right down there with the lowest of the low and Mcleish for all his faults is not one

Coward is the only word I can think of for a manager who is frightened to send his teams out to play in a positive manner, who's attitude seems to be utterly passive when facing the teams that he himself describes as the elite. He also appears to be frightened of taking any sort of responsibility for the dog of a season we are having. I don't know what else to call him.

That last reason is crucial for me. He can't take any responsibility for the mess we're in or the ghastly football we've played, which is unacceptable.

[john e]

He's as poor a McNeil. How anybody can support the incompetent, surpine coward is beyond me. We've got to keep backing the players, stay up and wake up from the nightmare of McLeish and his insidious reign in the summer.

i dont think he's doing a good job and i dont believe it will ever get any better,
 but calling him a coward is to a strong word, a coward is right down there with the lowest of the low and Mcleish for all his faults is not one

Coward is the only word I can think of for a manager who is frightened to send his teams out to play in a positive manner, who's attitude seems to be utterly passive when facing the teams that he himself describes as the elite. He also appears to be frightened of taking any sort of responsibility for the dog of a season we are having. I don't know what else to call him.

he may be a rubbish manager, i would agree, but calling a man a Coward is to make it a personal attack on his Character and integrity, it goes to far in my own view

[Ron Manager]

But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.

Exactly!.

[Nev]

He's as poor a McNeil. How anybody can support the incompetent, surpine coward is beyond me. We've got to keep backing the players, stay up and wake up from the nightmare of McLeish and his insidious reign in the summer.

i dont think he's doing a good job and i dont believe it will ever get any better,
 but calling him a coward is to a strong word, a coward is right down there with the lowest of the low and Mcleish for all his faults is not one

Coward is the only word I can think of for a manager who is frightened to send his teams out to play in a positive manner, who's attitude seems to be utterly passive when facing the teams that he himself describes as the elite. He also appears to be frightened of taking any sort of responsibility for the dog of a season we are having. I don't know what else to call him.

he may be a rubbish manager, i would agree, but calling a man a Coward is to make it a personal attack on his Character and integrity, it goes to far in my own view

I don't know the man, I can only comment on his ability as a football manager.

[Dave Clark Five]

But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.

Does this go for every manager over time? Should we all have offered complete support to O'Leary, O'Neill and McNeill?

What line would have to be crossed for you to call for him to be sacked?

He's still backing Dr Jo...

Nice bloke was Dr.Jo.

[VILLA MOLE]

It's just occured to me that if we get relegated, we could be playing the likes of MK Dons or Notts County next season.

Horrific.

we would deserve nothing more

[john e]

It's just occured to me that if we get relegated, we could be playing the likes of MK Dons or Notts County next season.

Horrific.

my Dads a steward at the MK Dons, i'm going to ask him to keep a special eye on you Fletch

[pauliewalnuts]

But he hasn't been sacked. All we can do is support the club. That includes the manager.

Exactly!.

Not really.

We all support the club, but the vast majority of people on here want this manager out. I hope McLeish is happy tomorrow night as we've got three points. In fact, I hope he gets three points every match till the end of the season.

And then when the season is over, I hope he's picking up his P45.

[Clampy]

It's like this. The likes of DC5 can whinge and whine like an old woman about a bloke who left two years ago or worry about where the next 3 points are going to come from to keep us in the division. It's as simple as that.

[Dave Clark Five]

It's like this. The likes of DC5 can whinge and whine like an old woman about a bloke who left two years ago or worry about where the next 3 points are going to come from to keep us in the division. It's as simple as that.

It is the anti-McLeish people doing the whingeing and whining. I stopped that once the Poison Dwarf left.

[Clampy]

It's like this. The likes of DC5 can whinge and whine like an old woman about a bloke who left two years ago or worry about where the next 3 points are going to come from to keep us in the division. It's as simple as that.

I stopped that once the Poison Dwarf left.

Yes which is why you've only mentioned that 'poison dwarf' about 8 times today.

[Eigentor]

My (wild) guess is that McLeish's mandate was to keep Villa in PL with a minimum of backing, for two or three seasons, until the financial mess was sorted out. After that, we could attract a better manager, and better players, as we would be to spend money again.

However, as McLeish may be on the verge of taking us down already in his first season, it would be madness to give him the job of keeping us up in another season of austerity. I think/hope that even Lerner realises this, and that McLeish will be given the boot at the end of the season.

Why pay £2m a year to someone who's job is to keep us ticking over and get us back on course to try again?  That's why I just can't believe his sole brief was to avoid relegation whilst letting the expenses clear themselves up.  It's also why i can't believe he won't be seen as having failed by the board. 

That would be £2m to keep a fairly depleted squad up. Besides, I think the board expected McLeish to keep us up more comfortably than what he now appears to be doing.

Houllier's idea was to clean up the mess he inherited from MON and start anew. Having funded MON's mess, Randy wasn't keen on funding the cleaning up as well, and appointed McLeish whose mandate was simply to do his best with what he had got. And while I don't think the board was so deluded that they thought the General's fourth or fifth, or Faulkner's seventh (?), were possible, they probably (rightly) expected better than fifteenth and a relegation scrap.