AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[jembob]

"I am a deep thinker about things. I am concentrating on winning enough games to make sure Villa is OK."

Surely a Manager should be concentrating on every fecking point? The more I hear from this buffoon, the more he makes my piss boil.

Go away Mcleish. Please just go the f*ck away!

[paul_e]

As I've said before, Lerner has done nothing wrong as an owner,  he's provided ample funds and has overseen a number of projects to improve the club.

As a chairman he's failed completely as he has never identified the need for a 'football man' on the board.  This has led to numerous bad decisions that have all played a part in putting us into the position we're now facing.

Moving himself to a non exec board member and getting an experienced football guy in to replace himself would solve a lot of the problems.

You can't separate the post of chairman and owner like that, becuase essentially they're the same thing.  As owner and chairman, he's made a mess of the entire venture.

I disagree, they usually end up being the same person but they don't have to be.  It's the chairman duties he's failing on (which is why you can't disagree that he's put a good amount of money into the club, but you can clearly see the money hasn't been spent wisely) mainly because he's been incredibly naive about the skills required for the job.  If he'd done a similar thing to the guy at tottenham, as midnite mentioned above, he'd be considered a very good owner.

[Ian.]

It is strange how there is never any speculating in the press about the position of AM job.

Normally with a manager who is having a poor time there is one of the rags saying he is close to boot, or the usual 'Vote of Confidence' story. Some are even talking about KKK quitting and he has won a cup and in another final. But with our boss absolutely nothing!

[villadelph]

It is strange how there is never any speculating in the press about the position of AM job.

Normally with a manager who is having a poor time there is one of the rags saying he is close to boot, or the usual 'Vote of Confidence' story. Some are even talking about KKK quitting and he has won a cup and in another final. But with our boss absolutely nothing!

Couldn't agree more. Arsenal supporters were calling for Wenger's head, and the media were pushing for it much harder than I thought they would. Liverpool can't stay out of the papers, and Daglish's is being pressed for results. Yet, McLeish is a 2-minute segment on the FM, and the pundits talk about our debts and inept squad more than the alsoran that runs the show.

[ozzjim]

As I've said before, Lerner has done nothing wrong as an owner,  he's provided ample funds and has overseen a number of projects to improve the club.

As a chairman he's failed completely as he has never identified the need for a 'football man' on the board.  This has led to numerous bad decisions that have all played a part in putting us into the position we're now facing.

Moving himself to a non exec board member and getting an experienced football guy in to replace himself would solve a lot of the problems.

You can't separate the post of chairman and owner like that, becuase essentially they're the same thing.  As owner and chairman, he's made a mess of the entire venture.

I disagree, they usually end up being the same person but they don't have to be.  It's the chairman duties he's failing on (which is why you can't disagree that he's put a good amount of money into the club, but you can clearly see the money hasn't been spent wisely) mainly because he's been incredibly naive about the skills required for the job.  If he'd done a similar thing to the guy at tottenham, as midnite mentioned above, he'd be considered a very good owner.

I agree Paul. Lerner has been an excellent owner of the club, and a poor chairman. Had he appointed football men to the board that would have kept MON in check a bit, we would not be having this discussion.

[David_Nab]

What's the longest losing streak a villa manager has had ..u can see mcliesh being close to that we the next few games.

[VillaAlways]

It is strange how there is never any speculating in the press about the position of AM job.

Normally with a manager who is having a poor time there is one of the rags saying he is close to boot, or the usual 'Vote of Confidence' story. Some are even talking about KKK quitting and he has won a cup and in another final. But with our boss absolutely nothing!

Because it will be a bigger story when he takes us down  Last thing they want is for him to get the sack

[mattjpa]

Wenger and Dalgleish have had more because they both have had the resources and set up to be able to challenge for the title but have both failed and are both now at risk of fallling below minimum requirements of champions league. Eck has come in to a job that reportably nobody really wanted, with little funds, best players being sold and a remit to reduce the wage bill drastically whilst bringing the younger players through and making us sustainable. All that BS peddled about challenging for europe - maybe Faulkner believed it because he is completely clueless and inept but I for one didnt and suspect in your heart of hearts you all didnt either. Quite what Lerner is hoping to achieve I dont know, but I dont believe it would matter whether we finished 10th or 15th, McLeish will have done what is being asked of him behind closed doors.

[Mister E]

As I've said before, Lerner has done nothing wrong as an owner,  he's provided ample funds and has overseen a number of projects to improve the club.

As a chairman he's failed completely as he has never identified the need for a 'football man' on the board.  This has led to numerous bad decisions that have all played a part in putting us into the position we're now facing.

Moving himself to a non exec board member and getting an experienced football guy in to replace himself would solve a lot of the problems.

You can't separate the post of chairman and owner like that, becuase essentially they're the same thing.  As owner and chairman, he's made a mess of the entire venture.

I disagree, they usually end up being the same person but they don't have to be.  It's the chairman duties he's failing on (which is why you can't disagree that he's put a good amount of money into the club, but you can clearly see the money hasn't been spent wisely) mainly because he's been incredibly naive about the skills required for the job.  If he'd done a similar thing to the guy at tottenham, as midnite mentioned above, he'd be considered a very good owner.

Agreed on this differentiation of roles, paul.

[Mister E]

It is strange how there is never any speculating in the press about the position of AM job.

True, but as someone above says, the relegation story is a much biggger one.
And - anyway - maybe the press see it the same as we do: that he currently unsackable because (i) RL has first to 'fess up to the error of his appointment; (ii) stump up to pay him off' (iii) find a better recruitment process than last Summer's; and, (iv) find some candidates that would be prepared to follow in McL's footsteps.

And, maybe we just ain't news anymore!

[midnite]

Yeah, no one likes us. The media never have. They all think the world will be a better place without AVFC in it for some reason.
I've never understood why the press seem to dislike us so much. But a story of McLeish maybe bring sacked isn't going to sell newspapers the way Wenger or KKK would.

I just keep telling myself things will be different when the quatar companies buy us at the end of feb... Oh wait, yeah that didn't happen!! Oops

[andyh]

Yeah, no one likes us. The media never have. They all think the world will be a better place without AVFC in it for some reason.
I've never understood why the press seem to dislike us so much. But a story of McLeish maybe bring sacked isn't going to sell newspapers the way Wenger or KKK would.

I just keep telling myself things will be different when the quatar companies buy us at the end of feb... Oh wait, yeah that didn't happen!! Oops

I don't think they dislike us.
I just think we are now considered irrelevant.
Which to me, is the biggest crime that this management team has committed.   
 

[pauliewalnuts]

Yeah, no one likes us. The media never have. They all think the world will be a better place without AVFC in it for some reason.
I've never understood why the press seem to dislike us so much. But a story of McLeish maybe bring sacked isn't going to sell newspapers the way Wenger or KKK would.

I just keep telling myself things will be different when the quatar companies buy us at the end of feb... Oh wait, yeah that didn't happen!! Oops

I don't think they dislike us.
I just think we are now considered irrelevant.
Which to me, is the biggest crime that this management team has committed.   
 

Bingo.

[Irish villain]

I don't think the media dislikes us. I think we've always been a fairly well liked club. I think that's what Houllier meant when he first arrived. Remember he said we were too 'nice' and needed a winning mentality?

I'd just say we're not fashionable. And, we forget, it's now 16 years since our last trophy. We just haven't been figuring at the business end of things in too long.

[Risso]

Most fans of other teams can't fathom how we've got so bad, so quickly, and amongst the people I know we are generally seen as an awful team to watch, who wouldn't be missed if we did go down.