AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[john e]

The thing is, if he doesn't 'act' at the end of the season he simply has to re-evaluate the financial position as further cost cutting with the same manager will only lead to one thing.

It really is back him or sack him time.

yes i agree,
 and my point is that if he sacks Mcliesh and brings in a better more forward thinking manager things could be a lot better next season, just in terms of better football, entertainment,  general atmosphere around the place, it all depends on the next appointment and if and when it comes
i'm still willing to back Randy at the moment, i hope my faith in him is not misplaced,
 i also think he is so queit that he might be looking to sell, and maybe is close to doing so,  and then we will have another load of stuff to consider

[Risso]

The thing is, if he doesn't 'act' at the end of the season he simply has to re-evaluate the financial position as further cost cutting with the same manager will only lead to one thing.

It really is back him or sack him time.

I honestly don't think it is even going to pan out like that, John.

He's clearly bought into the notion of McLeish as our manager, and he's also all about recouping his investment, which is why, although we'll bring players in, most of them will be Bosmans.

I think anyone expecting big money transfer business at Villa Park in the summer is going to be disappointed.

I think we'll only spend money if we sell off players first, eg flog Bent for say £16m, buy someone like Zamora for £6m etc.  Of course if we do go down, any half decent player will be trying to leave, and we'll be properly banjaxed.

[Concrete John]

The thing is, if he doesn't 'act' at the end of the season he simply has to re-evaluate the financial position as further cost cutting with the same manager will only lead to one thing.

It really is back him or sack him time.

I honestly don't think it is even going to pan out like that, John.

He's clearly bought into the notion of McLeish as our manager, and he's also all about recouping his investment, which is why, although we'll bring players in, most of them will be Bosmans.

I think anyone expecting big money transfer business at Villa Park in the summer is going to be disappointed.

Backing him means more than just transfer funds for players.

For a start, we need to get shot of a few, which will mean a pay off due to their wages.  And the Bosman's coming in also need to be paid, so we may have to move backwards on the wages/turnover issue in the short term.

But yes, I'd also like to see him free up some funds.  He did it with Bent as the alternative would cost the club more and I think we'll face that same situation again in the summer.

[pauliewalnuts]

Backing him means more than just transfer funds for players.

For a start, we need to get shot of a few, which will mean a pay off due to their wages.  And the Bosman's coming in also need to be paid, so we may have to move backwards on the wages/turnover issue in the short term.

I don't really see how this constitutes backing him, though - if we're losing players at the end of their contracts, then they'll be off the wage bill.

Letting him get a few Bosmans (who aren't going to work for free, as you said) in is the very least the chairman can do in the circumstances.

[Concrete John]

Backing him means more than just transfer funds for players.

For a start, we need to get shot of a few, which will mean a pay off due to their wages.  And the Bosman's coming in also need to be paid, so we may have to move backwards on the wages/turnover issue in the short term.

I don't really see how this constitutes backing him, though - if we're losing players at the end of their contracts, then they'll be off the wage bill.

Letting him get a few Bosmans (who aren't going to work for free, as you said) in is the very least the chairman can do in the circumstances.

I also want us to lose players not at the end of their contracts, so we will have to pay to go given their high wages.

And we then get Bosmans good enough to command decent wages, meaning we add more than we lose to the overall wagebill.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

A month ago had RL sacked AM we might have got Brendan Rodgers.

Is he now out of grasp/league  in the summer?

He signed a new, improved, three and a half year contract a few months back. He's going no where.

One thing is sacking McCleish but I've yet to hear a sensible suggestion as to who could realistically replace him. I'm not sure which scares me more, another season like this under McCleish or Randy and Faulkner doing the rounds to find a new manager.

[pauliewalnuts]

One thing is sacking McCleish but I've yet to hear a sensible suggestion as to who could realistically replace him. I'm not sure which scares me more, another season like this under McCleish or Randy and Faulkner doing the rounds to find a new manager.

They'd probably get on the blower to Howard Wilkinson

[Rudy Can't Fail]

One thing is sacking McCleish but I've yet to hear a sensible suggestion as to who could realistically replace him. I'm not sure which scares me more, another season like this under McCleish or Randy and Faulkner doing the rounds to find a new manager.

They'd probably get on the blower to Howard Wilkinson

Is Mrs Wilkinson one of their advisors?

[aev]

One thing is sacking McCleish but I've yet to hear a sensible suggestion as to who could realistically replace him. I'm not sure which scares me more, another season like this under McCleish or Randy and Faulkner doing the rounds to find a new manager.

They'd probably get on the blower to Howard Wilkinson

Is Mrs Wilkinson one of their advisors?

I hear she has written a glowing letter of endorsement for Mr W.

[Concrete John]

It's an interesting point though - who would replace him? 

The 'top name' managers would want funds to work with, which they're unlikely to get to level they'd want, so it's a level down from that.  The likes of Rodgers and Lambert may similarly be put off.

Then, when you also factor in Randy's 'outside the box' thinking on our last two managers, I'd be hard presed to predict it! 

[Rip Van We Go Again]

Then, when you also factor in Randy's 'outside the box' thinking on our last two managers, I'd be hard presed to predict it! 

Probably Mick Mills, or a promotion for our chief scout, the wonderful Glenn Roeder.

[OzVilla]

i also think he is so queit that he might be looking to sell, and maybe is close to doing so,  and then we will have another load of stuff to consider

I get excited when I read this sort of stuff because it means that then maybe there could be a plan afterall, that maybe we've all been willing saps completely taken in by the genius of Randy and maybe he could be on the verge of selling to a Gazillionaire who knows all about the Villa, football and has lined up Jose Mouriniho to start work on the 1st July.

Maybe.......

[The Laughing Policeman]

i also think he is so queit that he might be looking to sell, and maybe is close to doing so,  and then we will have another load of stuff to consider

I get excited when I read this sort of stuff because it means that then maybe there could be a plan afterall, that maybe we've all been willing saps completely taken in by the genius of Randy and maybe he could be on the verge of selling to a Gazillionaire who knows all about the Villa, football and has lined up Jose Mouriniho to start work on the 1st July.

Maybe.......

The Venkey's are Gazillionaires as are the current owners of QPR.........be careful what you wish for.

[villanic]

Then, when you also factor in Randy's 'outside the box' thinking on our last two managers, I'd be hard presed to predict it! 

Probably Mick Mills, or a promotion for our chief scout, the wonderful Glenn Roeder.

It’ll be who ever Alex Ferguson tells Randy it should be in a letter that Randy will then spunk over.

[paul_e]

The who will we get instead argument drives me mad.

It's a worldwide sport with thousands of professional coaches and managers, finding one who will get us playing decent football for less wages and with links to bring in a few decent players really isn't that hard.

Look top half of the league in holland, sweden, norway, france, belgium - you'll find 10-15 good managers in amongst that lot, most earning less than a quarter of what McLeish is on.  We need to get away from the premier league experience restriction, but as UK based fans of course we, the fans, are going to look at UK based managers and see very few decent options, the club should be much more capable of conducting a thorough search.