AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[itbrvilla]

I think he's taking us down. Not this season, but likely next.

I am left wondering what on earth the boards pluan was?

they seam to lack any structured plan. Always have done IMO.

[VillaAlways]

he said 'Im getting a season ticket next season too but I wont go to another Villa game until McLeish is gone ' .   

Not the brightest tool in the box then?

[levico]

I've always thought he would take us down sooner or later. I'm now convinced it will be sooner.

[JUAN PABLO]

he said 'Im getting a season ticket next season too but I wont go to another Villa game until McLeish is gone ' .   

Not the brightest tool in the box then?

I did find it odd , he must have a cracking seat or knows something we dont know.

[Toronto Villa]

I am stone cold sober mate, don't drink at all I am afraid to tell you. He is a better manager than the clown in charge it is as simple as that, and as such I would take him on a contract till the end of next season if he kept us up tomorrow. As I would a lot of managers that are out of work and better than McLeish! He was a terrible appointment, we gave him long enough, our form is woeful and getting worse, the players look clueless, he looks as defeated and pissed as he did last season at Blues, and we have less points than they had at the same stage. The fact he is still our manager points to our CEO having about as much idea about football as a one legged ballet dancer does of sailing a fucking cruise ship. We are in a mess, and the club is torn down the middle at a time when it needs to be united by the board sticking by a manager the fans will quite simply never take too. They have put themselves in a corner and rather than looking in the mirror they are digging into the floor hoping it will all go away, and the sad fact is we are going to be within a whiskers lick of going down, or worse we will drop.

Ozz, sorry I'm being silly. I'm close to giving up in the bloke myself. I just don't think Curbishley is ever an option. He's just one of those managers that gets linked with everything and gets nothing. Bit like us a number of years back being linked with Carlton Palmer every year, and even after he'd retired. If we are going to go a different route and someone with a good standing in the game isn't available, then I'd rather give it to a rising name like Poyet, Rodgers, Lambert etc or someone from the continent and give them a contract that allows them the freedom to truly build something at what still is a very big football club.

We'd be a downwards step for Lambert and Rodgers at the moment.  Why would they leave well run clubs, where they're an integral part of building something lasting and stable, to work for that pair of clowns Lerner and Faulkner? 

Don't agree Risso. We're still Aston Villa and they are still Norwich/Swansea. Just because some fans here might not like Lerner/Faulkner today, certainly doesn't mean it will always be the case. It also doesn't mean that the same perspective would be received by prospective manager's. For us it is mostly emotion, and a sprinkling of rational thought. For manager's it is a job, and when a bigger company/club comes calling with more money, exposure, and the all important "chance to make us great again" opportunity, few would pass us by.

Right now, smart men like Lambert or Rodgers would see us a low stock that can only get higher. Hiring one of them would almost instantly put 5000 extra bums on seats, and renewed optimism for the coming season.

[Risso]

I am stone cold sober mate, don't drink at all I am afraid to tell you. He is a better manager than the clown in charge it is as simple as that, and as such I would take him on a contract till the end of next season if he kept us up tomorrow. As I would a lot of managers that are out of work and better than McLeish! He was a terrible appointment, we gave him long enough, our form is woeful and getting worse, the players look clueless, he looks as defeated and pissed as he did last season at Blues, and we have less points than they had at the same stage. The fact he is still our manager points to our CEO having about as much idea about football as a one legged ballet dancer does of sailing a fucking cruise ship. We are in a mess, and the club is torn down the middle at a time when it needs to be united by the board sticking by a manager the fans will quite simply never take too. They have put themselves in a corner and rather than looking in the mirror they are digging into the floor hoping it will all go away, and the sad fact is we are going to be within a whiskers lick of going down, or worse we will drop.

Ozz, sorry I'm being silly. I'm close to giving up in the bloke myself. I just don't think Curbishley is ever an option. He's just one of those managers that gets linked with everything and gets nothing. Bit like us a number of years back being linked with Carlton Palmer every year, and even after he'd retired. If we are going to go a different route and someone with a good standing in the game isn't available, then I'd rather give it to a rising name like Poyet, Rodgers, Lambert etc or someone from the continent and give them a contract that allows them the freedom to truly build something at what still is a very big football club.

We'd be a downwards step for Lambert and Rodgers at the moment.  Why would they leave well run clubs, where they're an integral part of building something lasting and stable, to work for that pair of clowns Lerner and Faulkner? 

Don't agree Risso. We're still Aston Villa and they are still Norwich/Swansea. Just because some fans here might not like Lerner/Faulkner today, certainly doesn't mean it will always be the case. It also doesn't mean that the same perspective would be received by prospective manager's. For us it is mostly emotion, and a sprinkling of rational thought. For manager's it is a job, and when a bigger company/club comes calling with more money, exposure, and the all important "chance to make us great again" opportunity, few would pass us by.

Right now, smart men like Lambert or Rodgers would see us a low stock that can only get higher. Hiring one of them would almost instantly put 5000 extra bums on seats, and renewed optimism for the coming season.

You'd have a point if we were taken over by new owners.  But under Lerner, the chance of anybody "making us great again" isn't going to happen. 

[Toronto Villa]

Nothing is constant Risso. The days weren't always dark under Doug. I bet Newcastle fans thought like you do under Ashley, that following relegation it would be hell forever. The one thing we know is that nothing stays the same. I'm optimistic that things will improve. Prospective managers will all come with the ambition to make us great again. That has always been one of the great selling points of Aston Villa.

[Risso]

Nothing is constant Risso. The days weren't always dark under Doug. I bet Newcastle fans thought like you do under Ashley, that following relegation it would be hell forever. The one thing we know is that nothing stays the same. I'm optimistic that things will improve. Prospective managers will all come with the ambition to make us great again. That has always been one of the great selling points of Aston Villa.

We haven't managed to tempt anybody in a decent job the last two times, and things are now even worse on the financial front.  It's nice to look at things through rose-tinted spectacles when it comes to Villa, but the reality is we're not seen as a big club by most people any more. 

[VillaAlways]

And that's all down to Randy. I feel like he has completely belittled this club,forcing us all to downgrade our expectations. The Ferguson letter was the icing on the cake A club with an inferiority complex and a manager that tells us we can't compete with his words and actions week in week out

[brian green]

Worse than that Riss, we are on the cusp of another period of being a joke club.   You will know when it has taken full hold when the Mirror runs the joke Aston Vanilla easy to lick as though it is original and their creation.

In the summer we will have nothing to offer a new decent manager and nothing to offer new decent players.   No money, dwindling gates, depressed supporters and enemies and mickey takers in every branch of the media.

A typical symptom of our malaise was on 606 last night when that self referential twerp Fletcher ripped into a very nervous, not very articulate young Villa fan who wanted to complain about the standard of refereeing.  The lad got ranted at by Fletcher so that the official 606 line could be rammed home, namely  Villa are shit  Villa are doomed.

We have got a lot of that coming our way so brace yourselves for it

[charlie]

The 606 interview was disgusting and the lad had a good point regarding Terry cheating,[but what do you expect], sadly the notion of other managers being interested in summertime 2012, whichever league we end up in, is pointless............ we are stuck with he who doesnt know what the Eck he is doing. He does look worse for wear, far too happy to accept poor play and the superiority of others. He is clearly not fit for purpose. He is too bloody thick skinned or just too bloody thick to walk away, and the board are far too pig headed to sack him. Back in the Autumn I posted the expectation of him gaining 3 relegations in 4 years, and I was told that I was wrong. He is no bloody good as a Villa manager, he should go now even, but it wont happen, and we will be either down or scarily close to being down.

[garyshawsknee]

I think our stock is poor now,people like Rodgers and Lambert would rather stay where they are for another year or two, continue to build and wait till a job bigger than ours come's along,which is a sad state,but its where we are right now.

 You couldnt guarantee that Lerner and Faulkner would offer them a job anyway,probably Roeder and Steve Bruce would be on their managerial radar.

[Rip Van We Go Again]

And that's all down to Randy. I feel like he has completely belittled this club,forcing us all to downgrade our expectations. The Ferguson letter was the icing on the cake A club with an inferiority complex and a manager that tells us we can't compete with his words and actions week in week out

Well said.

[Mister E]

I sense that McLueless is with us for a while yet; it'll take some unlikely re-shaping of the Villa board - with the addition of some genuinely footie-knowledgeable people on it - to change this.
I too think that Rodgers and Lambert are likely to stick with what they've got unless an opportunity arises with a club likely to be challenging for stuff next season.
If we were to clear McLueless and his entourage out, I'd suggest Poyet or Nigel Adkins as 'hot' candidates.

[KevinGage]

If we are going to go a different route and someone with a good standing in the game isn't available, then I'd rather give it to a rising name like Poyet, Rodgers, Lambert etc or someone from the continent and give them a contract that allows them the freedom to truly build something at what still is a very big football club.

One of the plus points of this appointment is the board would really have to go some to make an even worse one next time.

Make a chart of all the managers outside of the elite clubs in the top 4/5 foreign leagues, stick a pin in it and chances are you'll get a better candidate than McLeish.

Probably not the most thorough or scientific way of selecting a manager, true.  But it's about as credible as Lerner's rationale. Namely, that the wee ginger scab had always said nice things about the club whilst B-lose manager.  And Fergie likes him.