AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[Concrete John]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.

Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.

[glasses]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.

Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.

It also doesn't take into account the fixtures that were played and the strength of the opposition played in those 28 fixtures.

[Monty]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.

Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.

To be honest, MON was limited with far greater resources than Eck is likely to see, so even that doesn't fill me with huge confidence.

[Concrete John]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.

Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.

It also doesn't take into account the fixtures that were played and the strength of the opposition played in those 28 fixtures.

The more games you play the less that should have an impact, so after 28 you'd imagine it should be fairly even.

[pauliewalnuts]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.

Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.

It also doesn't take into account the fixtures that were played and the strength of the opposition played in those 28 fixtures.

The more games you play the less that should have an impact, so after 28 you'd imagine it should be fairly even.

I'm bored, so looked it up. In MON's first season, our last 10 matches were:

Aston Villa   0 - 1   Arsenal   
Aston Villa   0 - 0   Liverpool      
Aston Villa   1 - 1   Everton      
Blackburn     1 - 2   Aston Villa      
Aston Villa   1 - 1   Wigan      
Middlesbro   1 - 3   Aston Villa   
Aston Villa   0 - 0   Portsmouth   
Man City           0 - 2   Aston Villa   
Aston Villa   3 - 0   Sheff Utd      
Bolton           2 - 2   Aston Villa

Our last ten this season are:

Aston Villa   v   Bolton    
Arsenal   v   Aston Villa        
Aston Villa   v   Chelsea        
Liverpool   v   Aston Villa    
Aston Villa   v   Stoke    
Man Utd   v   Aston Villa        
Aston Villa   v   Sunderland    
West Brom   v   Aston Villa    
Aston Villa   v   Tottenham        
Norwich   v   Aston Villa

[DB]

I would also add that we improved under MON in his first season - AM has not OK, he has financial limitations, but the comparison someone has made. Also, you have to say the quality in the Prem this season has been poor.

[Legion]

Was the Bolton 2-2 the one where all four goals were scored within the first 10 minutes, or something like that?

[frank]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.

Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.

For that 28th game in MON's first season he had Mellberg, Laursen, Bouma, Carew, A Young, Barry and Petrov in the side.

[pauliewalnuts]

Was the Bolton 2-2 the one where all four goals were scored within the first 10 minutes, or something like that?

I cant remember, but I do remember that home 0-0 against Portsmouth as being McLeishian in its dullness.

[Concrete John]

Apologies if this has been mentioned before.
Early March in MON's first season:
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 29 Goals against 34 GD-5 Points 33
Today
P28 W7 D12 L9 Goals for 31 Goals against 35 GD-4 Points 33

The task for AM, as for MON, is stability in the first season, then progress in the next.

Although I agree with the last sentence, that comparison is quite mi-leading given the strengths of the respective squads each manager had at the time.

Although in fairness that equals out post-Jan in MON's first season, when he had then bought Ash and Carew.

For that 28th game in MON's first season he had Mellberg, Laursen, Bouma, Carew, A Young, Barry and Petrov in the side.

As I said, it got more balanced after we did our Jan 2007 spending, but prior to that, so for most of the 28 games, our front line was from a very raw Gabby, Luke Moore, Angel, Baros and Chris Sutton.

Much weaker than a 5 year older Gabby, plus Bent, Ireland, N'Zogbia and Albrighton.

No comment on emile Heskey.

And just to point out that's not a criticism of AM, I'm still in the "Don't sacj him" camp, but just trying to judge it as fairly as possible

[Small Rodent]

Its all the draws.

We've lost less games than all teams from 8th down.

[jonc73]

Yeah but you're judging the overall standard on the second best home performance of the season.

No I'm not I've watched every game-just not all of them live.In my veiw we as fans just have to swallow this year and let McLeish be judged after he's got the chance to reshape the squad.

No, I'm not in the Dutch lions....should I be? Do I get a badge and certificate? Do they allow members from Sutton Coldfield?

[frank]

Its all the draws.

We've lost less games than all teams from 8th down.

and only Man U have lost fewer away

[Concrete John]

Its all the draws.

We've lost less games than all teams from 8th down.

and only Man U have lost fewer away

Good away record, but too many draws.  Maybe the MON era comparisons are more accurate than I thought!

[glasses]

Was the Bolton 2-2 the one where all four goals were scored within the first 10 minutes, or something like that?

I cant remember, but I do remember that home 0-0 against Portsmouth as being McLeishian in its dullness.

Leeg, the game you are talking about was the first game of O'learys last season. At home, and all four goals in the first 10 minutes. The one Paulie pulled out in the list of results was away, last game of the season. A belter by Craig Gardner just before half time (I was buying a hot-dog for my now wife and missed the goal, grrr!), and Luke Moore got the equaliser in the second half from a Carew knock-down.

Strangely, I also remember the 0-0 Pompey game, but IIRC, David James played a blinder, and we were unlucky not to win?