AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[olaftab]

McLeish has an excellent record in taking a team in reasonable security, with about 10 games to go, to relegation without a lot of fuss or bother. He systemically drives down the performance level to total ineffectiveness from where the team finds an easy path to fail and keep failing till the end result is achieved. This is his great attribute as proved in his previous appointment.

[Moorski]

He will not resign or be sacked folks!

[Nirog72]

He gets £40k per week, he isn't a fan and probably believes this is all someone else's fault. He isn't going to walk.

[pauliewalnuts]

That's it, I'm done.

Get rid, because time with him in charge is wasted time.

so why have you changed your tune ?
What was is about this game that was different from most of the others this season ?

Well, i can think of one thing.

We've seen shocking lack of ambition against a number of teams this season, but never against the bottom team in the league.

[Irish villain]

A few years ago we used to talk about Mancini and Hiddink replacing MON. Now we're wondering if Rogers and Lambert would think we're an attractive proposition.

Two years ago we were preparing for a wembley final, chasing a champions league place and going well in the fa cup- what a shocking state we are in now- how did it come to this?

I think it's the dizzying speed with which we have fallen that is most shocking. Our collective mind has not been able to cope with the speed of events. Our minds are still stuck in the early days of the revolution, hence our reluctance to criticise the board. If the decline had taken longer, we'd be better prepared for it.

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/football/4154142/Alex-McLeish-upset-by-Aston-Villa-boo-boys.html

UNDER-FIRE Alex McLeish admits he is struggling to deal with the Aston Villa boo-boys.
 
The Villa boss was barracked by large sections of the club's supporters during the 0-0 draw at Wigan.
 
Fans chanted "you don't know what you're doing" following the second-half introduction of Emile Heskey.
 
They also brought up McLeish's history as a former Birmingham manager and cried "we want our Villa back" as their team laboured in an unconvincing manner.
 
But McLeish refuse to round on his critics. He said: "Nobody likes it. I can't say it is water off a duck's back and I don't mind it.
 
"I understand the modern-day thinking but I am not going to get into a spat with my own supporters.
 
"I need those guys. I have got a great challenge here.
 
"It is probably one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League but I am up for it. I am willing to take it on.
 
"I still believe we will prosper."

[LeeB]

That's it, I'm done.

Get rid, because time with him in charge is wasted time.

so why have you changed your tune ?
What was is about this game that was different from most of the others this season ?

There's a few posts above that sum up my feelings better than my slightly drunk self.

Basically, everyone's got a tipping point haven't they?

[ronshirt]

I voted to keep McLeish. There's not much point in getting rid when there isn't much of a credible alternative; plus I like him - no reason for this other than that he seems honest enough and that he's not Houllier and that he was the only manager foolish enough to take hold of the shitty end of a stick proffered by Mr Randy Lerner.

I believe that McLeish's brief this season was solely to ensure survival. If that is so then perhaps he's simply doing his job and the criticism of his style of football is pointless: you might as well criticise a  road-sweeper for not wearing spats and a top hat.

Mr Lerner gambled a great deal of money on reaching the sunny uplands of Champions League. He got near enough to get a whiff of the swill bin but never got his snout into the trough: the rest has been the story of a learner stung at the poker table - bet low, stay in the game, watch and see how it's done by the big boys.

[andyh]

That's it, I'm done.

Get rid, because time with him in charge is wasted time.

so why have you changed your tune ?
What was is about this game that was different from most of the others this season ?

Well, i can think of one thing.

We've seen shocking lack of ambition against a number of teams this season, but never against the bottom team in the league.

I get that Paulie, I'm just interested to know why one of AM's vociferous defenders up until this game has now decided he must go.

[PeterWithesShin]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/football/4154142/Alex-McLeish-upset-by-Aston-Villa-boo-boys.html

UNDER-FIRE Alex McLeish admits he is struggling to deal with the Aston Villa boo-boys.
 
The Villa boss was barracked by large sections of the club's supporters during the 0-0 draw at Wigan.
 
Fans chanted "you don't know what you're doing" following the second-half introduction of Emile Heskey.
 
They also brought up McLeish's history as a former Birmingham manager and cried "we want our Villa back" as their team laboured in an unconvincing manner.
 
But McLeish refuse to round on his critics. He said: "Nobody likes it. I can't say it is water off a duck's back and I don't mind it.
 
"I understand the modern-day thinking but I am not going to get into a spat with my own supporters.
 
"I need those guys. I have got a great challenge here.
 
"It is probably one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League but I am up for it. I am willing to take it on.
 
"I still believe we will prosper."

I'd have thought the "we want our Villa back" song had fuck all to do with where he came from? Typical lazy (aka shit) journalism or am I wrong?

[Aston Manor]

I have voted no. I didn't want him because of where he came from and his poor record and poor, dull, football over there. My vitriol gave way to annoyance and gave way to a genuine like for the guy because you can see he genuinely wants to get it right. I knew randy wasn't going to sack him so it seemed better to support him. The football was poor, occasionally dire, and very occasionally okay.

Knowing that there were 3 teams worse than us gave him breathing space and allowed us to tread water. No, I'm not sure that our football is reflective of 3 teams being better than us.

Defensively we have been shockingly bad. The team have looked disjointed all season and not able to follow a plan. I'm sure he has one but we look no better than if I went into the dressing-room, picked the team and told them what I wanted to do.

We can't win at home, have strange selections, always look like we will concede and have 3 games that will decide how our fans will react for the final games ofthe season and where we will finish.

sack him now? Pointless. Who would we get. Wait for the summer? - well it will only happen if we go down. If we stay up it will be seen as job done - cut the wages and just get through the season so Randy will give him whatever money is available to spend.

Ultimately we're screwed because we can't shift him. And anyway, would you trust Lerner and Faulkner to get the decision right next time?

[LeeB]

That's it, I'm done.

Get rid, because time with him in charge is wasted time.

so why have you changed your tune ?
What was is about this game that was different from most of the others this season ?

Well, i can think of one thing.

We've seen shocking lack of ambition against a number of teams this season, but never against the bottom team in the league.

I get that Paulie, I'm just interested to know why one of AM's vociferous defenders up until this game has now decided he must go.

Then read the post above.

[Moorski]

Mc Leish will never win over the Villa fans,he is a decent bloke but a poor Manager and won't improve at our club.

[Villanation]

A few years ago we used to talk about Mancini and Hiddink replacing MON. Now we're wondering if Rogers and Lambert would think we're an attractive proposition.

Two years ago we were preparing for a wembley final, chasing a champions league place and going well in the fa cup- what a shocking state we are in now- how did it come to this?

I think it's the dizzying speed with which we have fallen that is most shocking. Our collective mind has not been able to cope with the speed of events. Our minds are still stuck in the early days of the revolution, hence our reluctance to criticise the board. If the decline had taken longer, we'd be better prepared for it.

Bang on, its breathtaking, just what has happened, you could go further and look at individual players, can anybody see any Villa player of late that looks like they would give there all, I don't, its just not in them, don't get me wrong I love Gabby Agbonlahor, Gabby and Villa are one in the same thing for me, but has anybody seen a ray of sunshine from in his face for ages now, has anybody seen him whack the ball in the net and then run over to the fans pointing to his name on the back of his shirt beaming with delight.

Quite honestly its just crap and its sad to see.

[Witton Warrior]

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/football/4154142/Alex-McLeish-upset-by-Aston-Villa-boo-boys.html

UNDER-FIRE Alex McLeish admits he is struggling to deal with the Aston Villa boo-boys.
 
The Villa boss was barracked by large sections of the club's supporters during the 0-0 draw at Wigan.
 
Fans chanted "you don't know what you're doing" following the second-half introduction of Emile Heskey.
 
They also brought up McLeish's history as a former Birmingham manager and cried "we want our Villa back" as their team laboured in an unconvincing manner.
 
But McLeish refuse to round on his critics. He said: "Nobody likes it. I can't say it is water off a duck's back and I don't mind it.
 
"I understand the modern-day thinking but I am not going to get into a spat with my own supporters.
 
"I need those guys. I have got a great challenge here.
 
"It is probably one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League but I am up for it. I am willing to take it on.
 
"I still believe we will prosper."

All those responses are understandable until the last one - come on Alec define "prosper" to me - how many wins this season? How many goals? How many clean sheets?