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Offline MarkM

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #810 on: February 25, 2012, 05:26:58 PM »
If we stay up with him in charge, do we really think next season will be any better?

We are on a downward trajectory and getting worse

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #811 on: February 25, 2012, 05:28:24 PM »
What's frustrating is last year Houllier and Gary Mac took lots of stick for most of the season but the club ultimately finished 9th (admittedly with a low points total).  This season the league again looks very congested barring top and bottom 4 and a few points here and there soon has you shooting up the table.

But at least last year it was evident from performances towards the end of the season that the coaching staff were impressing onto the players that keeping the ball is the easiest way to play football....This season the approach off smash it clear at the earliest opportunity (I'm looking at you Dunne and Collins) seems to prevail. 

Ironic in hindsight the players that who most fell out with the previous incumbents (and have hardly covered themselves in glory this year) are the same two players.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #812 on: February 25, 2012, 05:31:15 PM »
The reversion to negative, dull, dire, defeatist type means he has to go.  He'd begun to win me over and then for some reason he's utterly bottled it.  And if we want him out, perhaps a few more of us should maybe stop mocking the protesters and join them.   I'd be quite happy to go an meet Faulkner and explain to him in great detail what a balls up he and Randy are making of the football side of things.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #813 on: February 25, 2012, 05:32:20 PM »
My worry now is that this time last year the Shite looked safe. After the Carling win they went into freefall and he could do nothing about it. We've been poor all season and he hasn't been able to change it.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #814 on: February 25, 2012, 05:34:37 PM »
Hopefully the reverse is true for us this season....

Offline Jimmy Smash

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #815 on: February 25, 2012, 05:35:33 PM »
He's here to stay unfortunately. RL will want hIm to stay To keep us up. If we stay up it'll be job done. If we go down he's brought Blose up twice so RL will see him as the ideal man to take us back up. Whichever it is... we're stuck with him.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #816 on: February 25, 2012, 05:38:30 PM »
2 have said no already.  Jesus

I was one of them. Apologies for having an opinion different to yours.

My reasons, which I'm sure will be translated by dazzyg and co as "Ooh you love McLeish"
- I don't think we're going to get anyone in at this stage who will improve matters either in the short-term or the long-term. Who's available - Bruce, Curbishley, McCarthy? The summer might be a different matter. And for those saying we will attract an up-and-coming manager - Lambert, Rodgers... no, we won't. They would be on a hiding to nothing coming in with a couple of months left.
- I think we will get enough points in the next few games that mean we won't be relegated. It might make our eyes bleed to watch, but we're safe in my opinion.
- McLeish I'm sure knows that we need to get rid of a substantial portion of our senior players as did Houllier. It took both of them time to work this out. What I do not want is someone coming in who wipes the slate clean for Collins, Dunne, Warnock et al. I want them to fuck off, preferably now.

In summary, what I want (other than the season to end tomorrow) is to get to the end of the season, take stock, get rid of the over-paid, under-performing wankers who've now stunk the place out under three different managers and then hopefully get a forward-looking manager who can rebuild for the future.

What makes you think Alex will collect enough points for us to be safe? This is where he collpases. He should have collected all 3 points today against the worst side in the Premier League, yet we were worse than them and couldn't score with Bent and Keane in the team. Now Keane will fly off back to LA and Bent will be out for a while.

Where's the next win gonna come from? The goals? Especially when he's gone full anti football. The majority of teams are alot more clinical than Wigan and I'm sure Blackburn won't struggle to score at least 1 goal against us.

We're in deep shit with McLeish in charge. At least if he was sacked it would lift the mood up and we could be seeing players free from the shackles that our rubbish manager has enforced on them. We'll probably see quality players like Ireland and N'Zogbia starting before Heskey. Gardner also had no attack role today. What a waste of talent.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #817 on: February 25, 2012, 05:38:35 PM »
2 have said no already.  Jesus

I was one of them. Apologies for having an opinion different to yours.

My reasons, which I'm sure will be translated by dazzyg and co as "Ooh you love McLeish"
- I don't think we're going to get anyone in at this stage who will improve matters either in the short-term or the long-term. Who's available - Bruce, Curbishley, McCarthy? The summer might be a different matter. And for those saying we will attract an up-and-coming manager - Lambert, Rodgers... no, we won't. They would be on a hiding to nothing coming in with a couple of months left.
- I think we will get enough points in the next few games that mean we won't be relegated. It might make our eyes bleed to watch, but we're safe in my opinion.
- McLeish I'm sure knows that we need to get rid of a substantial portion of our senior players as did Houllier. It took both of them time to work this out. What I do not want is someone coming in who wipes the slate clean for Collins, Dunne, Warnock et al. I want them to fuck off, preferably now.

In summary, what I want (other than the season to end tomorrow) is to get to the end of the season, take stock, get rid of the over-paid, under-performing wankers who've now stunk the place out under three different managers and then hopefully get a forward-looking manager who can rebuild for the future.
Don't apologise for being wrong :)
Seriously, I can see where you are coming from but I think we are in deep shit.  The lift of a new manager just might be the lift we need to keep us up.
We need a manager who will make good decisions and AM ain't that manager.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #818 on: February 25, 2012, 05:41:44 PM »
Albrighton on twitter -
Not good enough! Terrible performance! :@ ! Should be winning here!

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #819 on: February 25, 2012, 05:43:04 PM »
Since the last vote, he has done nothin to show that he is learning by his mistakes, and is trying to change things.
It is just the same old fucking tripe, served up at a different venue.

get the fucker out of my club now.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #820 on: February 25, 2012, 05:44:03 PM »
I'll never line up in a protest alongside the likes of DozeyG et al, but I want McCleish out now.

I don't care who he used to manage. When he was appointed I was concerned big-time about his brand of football and his record - finishing third in a two-horse race in Scotland, and a history of relegations with our illustrious neighbours (OK, not all bad). But he was Villa's manager so I was prepared to give him a chance. But now he's had his chance and blown it. Sooner or later he will take us down. We need to bite the bullet and get rid now.

KMac's short spell covering after MON walked was less than successful, but I think he and Sid would get the team behind them, get us playing decent attacking football, and give us an even better chance of staying up. We can then spend more time between now and the summer looking for the right man for the job.

The danger is if we keep McCleish now, and manage to stay up, Lerner will see him as a success and keep him on for another season at least. Then we would definitely be in the shit.

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #821 on: February 25, 2012, 05:44:55 PM »
We're in deep shit with McLeish in charge. At least if he was sacked it would lift the mood up and we could be seeing players free from the shackles that our rubbish manager has enforced on them. We'll probably see quality players like Ireland and N'Zogbia starting before Heskey. Gardner also had no attack role today. What a waste of talent.

1. Heskey didn't start before Ireland and N'Zogbia. They all came on as subs. If you're going to make criticisms at least make them based on fact.
2. Who in the midfield today would you have asked to play the Petrov role protecting the back four then if not Gardner - Bannan? Gabby? You can't have a midfield that are all playing just off the front two.

I don't think the problem today was anything to do with being too defensive or picking a team that was too defensive. It was purely that we were shit in possession of the football and created absolutely nothing despite the team having Gabby, Keane, Bent, Albrighton, Bannan and Gardner in it. That is not a defensive line-up.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2012, 05:48:42 PM by SheffieldVillain »

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #822 on: February 25, 2012, 05:44:57 PM »
Still saying no, not because I don't want him to go, like evoh! But because we won't get the manager we need right now, there isn't anyone available right now.
I don't think a caretaker from within will do any better with this bunch of disinterested fuckballs either.

Horrible innit?


I think that's about the size of it. There really isn't any point in removing him at this stage of the season. I genuinely still believe the chances of us going down are negligible and any manager we might bring in now isn't going to have us improve greatly. And who is available anyway? Mick McCarthy or Steve Bruce ffs?

And that's the reason I voted no too. The only reason, mind.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2012, 05:49:22 PM by Rocket Reducer No. 62 »

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #823 on: February 25, 2012, 05:45:12 PM »
Dont sack him now but at the end of the season. Even Doug waited till close season or made sure he had the replacement lined up. Its very easy to sack a manager, much more difficult to then find the right replacement. Do we really want to put ourselves in the same situation as Wolves just have on what may be a vital run in ? A knee jerk panic reaction leaving you scratching around to find someone to pick up the pieces ?

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Re: Should AM be sacked ? Poll reset after Wigan. [Reply#780]
« Reply #824 on: February 25, 2012, 05:46:40 PM »
Doug knew his way around a managerial appointment.

 


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