AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[pauliewalnuts]

i never understood the disregard given to Curbishley,

He used to play for Blues.

For me it is his total inablility to correctly pronounce the name of this city, despite spending a chunk of his playing career in it.

[PeterWithe]

He played for us as well I seem to remember, without a great deal of talent or commitment I further recall.

[Bottom Right 89]

I remember when Curbs was one of the front runners in the next Villa manager betting and I suggested he was a decent candidate - it was like I had suggested Harold Shipman should be put in charge of a care home. There must be more to it than he played for the shit?

[damon loves JT]

Shipman is not a realistic candidate, to my mind.

[pauliewalnuts]

He's alright, he's just one of those names who gets mentioned every time there's a not-top-level job on the go in the PL.

[hawkeye]

Mr Birminum is just dull, I have allways thought that the top managers are either bright, cunning or charesmatic. Some have a combination of all 3 charecteristics. It all comes down to leadership. I saw an interview with Keith Curle the new Notts County Manager, cant string a sentance together, he will fail.

[curiousorange]

I think Curbishley is just one of those cliched English managers who has one set of tactics for every occasion, gets just enough points against the also-rans to offset the occasional drubbing by the big sides, isn't arsed about silverware so much as 'safety' and can't attract glamour signings so plunders dull Scandinavian teams for average utility players. He's basically Dame Alan Average.

[ktvillan]

In Big Ecks world if a side is above you and has spent x amount-they have a different agenda,  so defeat is okay.  Fine (well not fine, not fine at all).    Just make sure you get maximum points against any side below us then.  Normally I'd say football isn't that cut and dried, of course.  But he can't have it both ways.

This is the nub of the problem with AM for me.  He said similar about us, that we had a different agenda,  when we drubbed Blues 5-1.  I remember thinking at the time that, whilst quite flattering to Villa (and Randy obviously fell for it)  it was a very flawed and defeatist attitude that would have pissed me off mightily had I been unfortunate enough to be a Blues fan.  It was up there with DOL's "we can't compete with the likes of..." bollocks, for which he was rightly vilified.  The performances against City/United/Spurs were David taking one look at Goliath, bending over and saying "make it quick big boy and use plenty of lube, there's a good chap".  What would Clough have achieved with Derby and Forest if he'd taken alook at the relative budgets of the bigger clubs and thought like that? Or GT at Watford?  Nothing, that's what.  And that's exactly what AM will achieve while he persists with that mentality.

[Concrete John]

Curbs looked a great emerging manager and Charlton, but once he left hasn't been able to repeat that success, which says to me that was his managerial peak.   

[N'ZMAV]

Not easy to have got a relativley small club like Charlton to consistently be in the middle of the Premier League. Those Cahrlton fans should have been careful what they wished for....

[Damo70]

Curbishley did a fantastic job at Charlton but will always be up against it from day one if he gets a job at a bigger club because of his lack of personality. I would have though quite a few Championship teams would be grateful to have him though.

[PeterWithe]

I think Curbishley is just one of those cliched English managers who has one set of tactics for every occasion, gets just enough points against the also-rans to offset the occasional drubbing by the big sides, isn't arsed about silverware so much as 'safety' and can't attract glamour signings so plunders dull Scandinavian teams for average utility players. He's basically Dame Alan Average.

Yeah, has he ever mentioned a ginger twin?

[Jimmy Smash]

Is the Wolves job becoming as toxic as the Villa job was last summer? The more the media announce names in the frame the more affronted the candidates become. The more they approach who then turn them down, the more those who are subsequently approached are offended that they were second third or even fourth choice. Walter Smith has now turned them down for this reason. It's an interesting situation, as you'd think with all the unemployed managers out there they'd be knocking the doors down.

[Compass]

I don't see how the Villa job was anywhere near toxic.

Sure, the manager has to work on a wage bill (not a tight one considering Given came in earning 50k wages for 5 years) and the budget wasn't that much of a problem after spending 17 million of it (how much has Pardew spent again?)

Now throw in the fact that Wolves have an inferior squad, are in the bottom 3, no money to spend and only a third left through the season. No where near as toxic as the Villa job. They tried Martinez and then paid comepnsation to bring a manager who brought out down the shit just last month (from June).

In other words, there's no comparison. The Villa board just did a really shitty job that summer and should be banned from making future decisions.

[damon loves JT]

I'm confused. Are you saying the Villa job is toxic or not?

I think you get so excited at the chance of knocking the club that you just lose the thread.