AVFC statement - McLeish sacked.

[villasjf]

If McLeish is still our manager next season, then I wont be renewing my season ticket...If I decide to go to any games I will pick and choose my matches and look for the special deals for games.

I reckon I will have no problem getting seats for games as I cant see many turning up to the games

Ditto! No way am I parting with my cash on a season ticket if that man is still in charge.  I can think of a million different ways of using that money

I am with you two will not be renewing next year after this years garbage, also all the offers of cheap seats when we have paid full wack for the same seats.i know they are trying to fill the stadium but they cant even sell out against Man U and Liverpool

[Rick_avfc]

I do not think GH was a bad appointment.  He just like Eck was going through a transitional period while in charge.  He sussed out who were the worthless, crap players and identified targets for the summer rebuilding process.  His philosophy started to pay off towards the back end of last season.  Under Eck, its the same old crap every week.  He is tactically inept and just thinks about playing defensive all the time.  I've had enough of him as there is NO sign of it improving.  My main worrying is despite the number of protests or low attendances, he is here to stay even if we get relegated.  IMO he has had enough games to get it right and he hasnt.  We have a striker who is proven to put the ball in the back of the net if he is presented with enough opportunities.  How a manager cannot work out the best system or best players to play week in week out clearly hasn't got a clue and should be sacked.  Im fed up of hearing all ex players or pundits/presenters on tv or radio saying how he is a nice man and needs time at villa to get it right.  Im sorry but I dont care if he is a nice man, this is a results driven business and he is not delivering.  Im not saying that we should be up there in 6th spot or higher but i think we should be higher than what we are considering the players we have at our disposal.  at least another 10 points on the board minimum.

[django]

Houllier was awfull. We were barely above the relegation places until he went off sick. And he alienated players when we had no money to replace them.

By the same token Mcleish is awfull. Neither of them are/were remotely good enough to manage Aston Villa.

Dreadful appointments.

[Rick_avfc]

Houllier was awfull. We were barely above the relegation places until he went off sick. And he alienated players when we had no money to replace them.

By the same token Mcleish is awfull. Neither of them are/were remotely good enough to manage Aston Villa.

Dreadful appointments.

Just for the record, who did he alienate again?  Warnock, Beye and....?  2 players who are shit.  One has been paid off and other is one of the worst full backs in PL.  He regularly played Gabby (albeit on the wing), dunne, collins, Petrov, Luke Young...

[jembob]

I do not think GH was a bad appointment.  He just like Eck was going through a transitional period while in charge.  He sussed out who were the worthless, crap players and identified targets for the summer rebuilding process.  His philosophy started to pay off towards the back end of last season.  Under Eck, its the same old crap every week.  He is tactically inept and just thinks about playing defensive all the time.  I've had enough of him as there is NO sign of it improving.  My main worrying is despite the number of protests or low attendances, he is here to stay even if we get relegated.  IMO he has had enough games to get it right and he hasnt.  We have a striker who is proven to put the ball in the back of the net if he is presented with enough opportunities.  How a manager cannot work out the best system or best players to play week in week out clearly hasn't got a clue and should be sacked.  Im fed up of hearing all ex players or pundits/presenters on tv or radio saying how he is a nice man and needs time at villa to get it right.  Im sorry but I dont care if he is a nice man, this is a results driven business and he is not delivering.  Im not saying that we should be up there in 6th spot or higher but i think we should be higher than what we are considering the players we have at our disposal.  at least another 10 points on the board minimum.

Agree with all of this.

[OzVilla]

No, based on two things;

1) Judging by the candidates to take over at Wolves, we'd hardly be improving the situation much would we.  Let's not kid ourselves that our 'names' would be any different from their 'names'. 

2) He's simply doing the job Randy wants him to do - keep us in the division whilst he draws down his investment so he can get some of his money back.

Basically, i've lost faith in Lerner's ability to take us forward - I hope McLeish stays until the Club is sold , which I now hope is soon, whilst keeping our Premiership status and then a new owner appoints a more ambitious, cultured Manager.  It's really the only hope I have left that our future isn't one of regular surrenders coupled with mid table tedium before eventual relegation.

[Chico Hamilton III]

I'm beginning to wonder whether Steve McLaren would have been such a bad choice afterall.

 

[supertom]

I'm beginning to wonder whether Steve McLaren would have been such a bad choice afterall.

 

For Villa yes.
In comparison to McLeish...no.

[Compass]

Yes he would have been a bad choice imo. He's not as bad as McLeish, but he's still pretty bad.

Let's be honest, the shortlist in the summer was very, very poor for a club like ours. We're a higher-midtable club, not a lower-midtable club, but the board went ahead and got their Championship manager.

The Wolves candiates aren't exciting which isn't surprising consider their club isn't the biggest and the fact they're 2/3 through the season, so normally the good managers would be in work during this time. But I'll bet you any money they'll still a poach a better manager than ours and that's unforgiveable considering Wolves have a much harder task getting a good manager with them being in the relegation zone as well.

[pedro25]

Houllier alienated Ireland as well.  It is criminal that we have a worse manager than most of the smaller Premier League clubs, we should not have a poorer manager than Wigan, West Brom, Fulham, even some Championship clubs like West Ham, but we do.

[Rick_avfc]

Houllier alienated Ireland as well.  It is criminal that we have a worse manager than most of the smaller Premier League clubs, we should not have a poorer manager than Wigan, West Brom, Fulham, even some Championship clubs like West Ham, but we do.

And why did he alienate Ireland?  because he wasnt pulling his weight in training and on the pitch.  he was a bad apple last season and a majority of fans wanted to see the back of him until Eck gave him a life line.  I agrre with you though that we have a worse manager than most of the smaller premier league clubs.  Its shocking and to think, we still have 2.5 years of him as the board do not look like they want to sack him despite low attendances and dire football and results.

[Vanilla]

Houllier alienated Ireland as well.  It is criminal that we have a worse manager than most of the smaller Premier League clubs, we should not have a poorer manager than Wigan, West Brom, Fulham, even some Championship clubs like West Ham, but we do.

And why did he alienate Ireland?  because he wasnt pulling his weight in training and on the pitch.  he was a bad apple last season and a majority of fans wanted to see the back of him until Eck gave him a life line.  I agrre with you though that we have a worse manager than most of the smaller premier league clubs.  Its shocking and to think, we still have 2.5 years of him as the board do not look like they want to sack him despite low attendances and dire football and results.

I don't want to sound like an idiot, but how does the manager's salary at Villa compare to other clubs? Perhaps the salary we offer/offered isn't comparable to size of the job for prospective managers.

[django]

Houllier wasn't any good for us, he took the premierships second meanest defense and turned it into the shambles it remains today. He criticised players in public and created an atmosphere toxic enough that Gaby wanted to leave. He took players enjoyment of football away and it showed.

He was hugely unpopular at the time. People are looking back much more fondly now because Lerner has astonishingly got it even more wrong this time around.

What an absolute waste of time the past couple of seasons have been.

[eastie]

When mon left we had just finished 6th , had a decent squad and were a reasonably attractive club to any potential manager, randy blew the chance to replace mon with a top quality manager and now we are a club in decline with a poorish squad, little money, dwindling gates and little in the way of ambition.

I would doubt we could tempt the likes of lambert or rogers away from their jobs- the sooner randy packs up and takes faulkner and mcleish with him the better as we are only going one way right now.   

[Boz]

It confirms what I’ve been saying for some time. Contrary to the opinion of many on here, Lerner does not in any way believe that McLeish is doing a bad job and he certainly will not be sacking him any time soon. Given the fact that Randy is not exposed to the negativity and apathy of Villa Park these days and is no doubt being spun a positive picture of the Saturday 3pm atmosphere, I suspect we’ll be seeing McLeish’s face for quite a while.
It really will take a seismic event to open Lerner’s eyes to the reality of life at Villa and McLeish is certainly doing enough right now to avoid this.

If that event is relegation, by the time he opens his eyes it will be too late. Our only hope might be if we get less than 5 points from the next four games RL might hear the warning bells even with his eyes closed as the good ship Aston Villa sinks nearer the Premiership relegation line.