Lost Dressing Room? - Update! (Nzogbia Row?)

[Greg N'Ash]

Our club will never move forwards until the bad eggs are removed. Fuck the lot of em

yep biggest mistake Lerner ever made was not letting GH fuck the trouble makers off. You can't have the tail wagging the dog

[supertom]

We can all clearly see that certain players aren't playing to the top of their games. They didn't under Houllier and they're still not.
Yes they're moany, spoilt, overpaid, bastards, but lets be honest, all too many players these days are. Many clubs have to put up with players who are a bunch of twats. Christ, John Terry must be a bloody nightmare for some managers.

However, under the right management, we have a squad who should be at least 10 points better off right now, than what it is. Martin O Neill rubbed a few players up the wrong way, but even they respected him and how he went about things. He also got results. It's not just down to the money he spent. He makes players perform to the top of their game. Sunderlands squad is worse than us, but look at how much better they look as a team, and how good their form has been under our former boss.

Houllier- past it. Wrong man in the wrong job.
McLeish- Not a Premier League manager. Not by any stretch.

It's plain as day that players aren't giving enough for this manager. They might be a bunch of pillocks who should have a bit more decency, but every other club in the top flight has to deal with that. For me, the problem lies with McLiesh. It's a big, big problem. If not for 3-4 really god awful sides, then we'd be struggling big time.

[VillaAlways]

Not sure if it's been posted elsewhere but apparently Charles Nzogbia tweeted" For the first time in my life I'm not happy playing football" He then quickly removed it but it was seen by a hundred odd followers

[Greg N'Ash]

really really stupid thing to post. I hope the club ban him from twitter and fine him. In fact ban twitter altogether

[villadelph]

really really stupid thing to post. I hope the club ban him from twitter and fine him. In fact ban twitter altogether

A bit harsh no..? He's a human too, he can post his feelings.

[Jimbo]

One of the biggest problems we have at the club is the giant comfort zone some of the players, and the manager, have fallen into because they know they are unlikely to be replaced under anything but the most urgent of circumstances.

Dunne, Warnock and Hutton HAVE to be better than their performances are suggesting, otherwise they would never have made it to professional level. They're consistently poor because they haven't got anyone breathing down their necks and they know it.

Likewise, McLeish knows that he won't be sacked any time soon because the owner can't afford it. But when the manager knows he can't drop his players, and the players know the manager can carry on making the same mistakes, it makes for a foul atmosphere - especially when the team is consistently shipping goals and not picking up enough points. This one's going to churn and churn.

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

There probably has been a few things said but this is where McLeish can show one of his greatest managerial attributes.
Namely the ability to avoid major fall outs with players but retaining authority.
Houllier, and to an extent MON, would assert their authority with the blunt instrument of dropping and ignoring players and thus wasting playing resources. The worst culprit for avoidable public fights with players was John Gregory.
If a player is really out of order, then ship them out but Mcleish's statement that he isn't so small minded as to sub a player for a heat of the moment comment from the pitch seems good sensible management to me. 

[Greg N'Ash]

really really stupid thing to post. I hope the club ban him from twitter and fine him. In fact ban twitter altogether

A bit harsh no..? He's a human too, he can post his feelings.

If the mail wanted to interview him he'd have to get permission. I don't see any difference with twitter. He should shut the fuck up and concentrate on playing better. I had some sympathy for him today because of the bizarre substitution but he's just come over now as  a kid throwing his toys out the pram

[mal]

You only have to look at coverage of the riots last summer to see how too much information is a dangerous thing. Or rather, the idiots with access to creating it are dangerous.

You really fell hook line and sinker for that 'BBM and Twitter made the riots happen' bullshit didnt you?

They'd have happened anyway. Twitter was a scapegoat

If you don't believe that these forms of modern day communication did not accelerate and tactically mobilise the riots then you are sadly mistaken. 

People organised a very good riot in Bristol in 1982 before the Sky, the internet AND mobile phones. People organised an even better one in Bristol in 1831 before the telegraph the telephone and the modern press. There were moral panics written about both of these events written by idiots trying to disguise the causes (gross economic inequalitiees between the rich and poor) by blaming modern technology/the state of education/a lack of religious guidance/the disrespect of the younger generation.
Whatever it is its just people talking. Same as it ever was.

[andyh]

Underperforming players will always hide behind McLeish's unpopularity.

Same as the owner, hence the reason for appointing him.

[eric woolban woolban]

The trouble with Villa is since about 1997 we haven't been big enough to b a top club, but we haven't been small enough to get relegated. As such in the main, mid table reigns.

I know the game has changed,but we've had opportunities in the past to kick on and we've always fell at the final hurdle / last piece of the jigsaw.

I think we have to realise that we won't win anything for the foreseeable future.

Maybe investng heavily in the academy, will be our new way of operating to try and gain a competitive advantage. But this my friends will take time.

[derek.anon]

We can all clearly see that certain players aren't playing to the top of their games. They didn't under Houllier and they're still not.
Yes they're moany, spoilt, overpaid, bastards, but lets be honest, all too many players these days are. Many clubs have to put up with players who are a bunch of twats. Christ, John Terry must be a bloody nightmare for some managers.

However, under the right management, we have a squad who should be at least 10 points better off right now, than what it is. Martin O Neill rubbed a few players up the wrong way, but even they respected him and how he went about things. He also got results. It's not just down to the money he spent. He makes players perform to the top of their game. Sunderlands squad is worse than us, but look at how much better they look as a team, and how good their form has been under our former boss.

Houllier- past it. Wrong man in the wrong job.
McLeish- Not a Premier League manager. Not by any stretch.

It's plain as day that players aren't giving enough for this manager. They might be a bunch of pillocks who should have a bit more decency, but every other club in the top flight has to deal with that. For me, the problem lies with McLiesh. It's a big, big problem. If not for 3-4 really god awful sides, then we'd be struggling big time.

You must be watching a different team to me. The squad is where it deserves to be in the league, just compare subs bench today against a club that is about 10 points ahead, a general lack of quality throughout the whole club.

[Greg N'Ash]

Dunne should have been given the push as soon as he gave that interview slagging off GH for upsetting his little friend stephen and claiming our recovery last season was all down to him ignoring GH instructions.. I can't believe that got past the club frankly.  But then you can get pissed and have a stand up fight with the coaching staff and not get punished currently. If they do that to a manager like GH then they won't have any qualms about AM

[Bottom Right 89]

We can all clearly see that certain players aren't playing to the top of their games. They didn't under Houllier and they're still not.
Yes they're moany, spoilt, overpaid, bastards, but lets be honest, all too many players these days are. Many clubs have to put up with players who are a bunch of twats. Christ, John Terry must be a bloody nightmare for some managers.

However, under the right management, we have a squad who should be at least 10 points better off right now, than what it is. Martin O Neill rubbed a few players up the wrong way, but even they respected him and how he went about things. He also got results. It's not just down to the money he spent. He makes players perform to the top of their game. Sunderlands squad is worse than us, but look at how much better they look as a team, and how good their form has been under our former boss.

Houllier- past it. Wrong man in the wrong job.
McLeish- Not a Premier League manager. Not by any stretch.

It's plain as day that players aren't giving enough for this manager. They might be a bunch of pillocks who should have a bit more decency, but every other club in the top flight has to deal with that. For me, the problem lies with McLiesh. It's a big, big problem. If not for 3-4 really god awful sides, then we'd be struggling big time.

You must be watching a different team to me. The squad is where it deserves to be in the league, just compare subs bench today against a club that is about 10 points ahead, a general lack of quality throughout the whole club.

They started with Leon Best up front - even Ivanhoe beats him in a game of top trumps.

[darren woolley]

It will all blow over.