McLeish could be the manager to take this club forward

[Villanation]

A top striker who can't score for love nor money? So how as he managed 8 this season?

Your just like Dazzyg without the .........s, you just cannot accept anything positive about the manager such is your blinkered obsessive dislike.

As for Gabby, have a look for his comments today about how happy he is at Villa and that it's the club he wants to be it, then try to find a way to distort it to your conspiracy theory.

The biggest influence on the game was surely AM's signing, Robbie Keane, scoring two cracking goals.

Also how can something that is your opinion be a fact?

To point one, 8, Darren Bent, that's p*ss poor for this stage in the season, if he doubled it for the rest of the season most peoples expectations when we paid what we did for him was a lot more.

Gabby churns this stuff out all the time, IMO, and as mentioned before, Gabby's problem is he's so devoted to the club he's blinded by it, however I admire his loyalty, its up to him, and I'm a massive Gabby fan and would love to see him in an England shirt, won't happen.

The biggest influence on the game was 2 goals from Keane, but to deny there was not other factors involved is just pure and crass stupidity, as for how important this signing was, I don't base my opinion on 45 mins or even 1 game.

As for this Conspiracy theory trip your on, you seriously need help, actually there is a good book I can recommend that implied that most thing in life we do is based upon some kind of conspiracy or other, not something I would subscribe to but you obviously do.

And by the way, once again read my post, I clearly state "In my opinion" nowhere do I state fact.

[Concrete John]

To point one, 8, Darren Bent, that's p*ss poor for this stage in the season, if he doubled it for the rest of the season most peoples expectations when we paid what we did for him was a lot more.

Those 8 goals have come in just 18 games, meaning he's 1 goal shy of being a 1 in 2 striker this season.  If that's 'piss poor' I'd like to know what you actually do expect from him?

[Chris Smith]

And by the way, once again read my post, I clearly state "In my opinion" nowhere do I state fact.

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the fact that in my opinion we will be fighting the drop along with another 6 or 7 teams in the Premiership this season

[pedro25]

8 goals is ok, Liverpool are in the top 6 and yet Downing, Kuyt and Carroll have something like 1 league goal between them this season.  He's doing a bit better than Torres too.  If he gets 15 this season in a so so year then in years when we are pushing the top 6 he'll be up near 20 per season, that's what I'd expect from Bent really.  Gabby's best tally was 16 I think and Carew's 17, Bent would easily outdo this if we had a similar team now as we had back then, pushing the top 4 all the way.

[James]

And by the way, once again read my post, I clearly state "In my opinion" nowhere do I state fact.

Here:

the fact that in my opinion we will be fighting the drop along with another 6 or 7 teams in the Premiership this season

You're arguing semantics there Mr. Smith! This reminds me of your views when we were in the DO'Ldrums .. err .. days!

[paul_e]

And by the way, once again read my post, I clearly state "In my opinion" nowhere do I state fact.

Here:

the fact that in my opinion we will be fighting the drop along with another 6 or 7 teams in the Premiership this season

How does that back up your arguement.  He said he nevers says it's a fact and that quote actually porves him correct.  He states it's a fact that his opinion is we will finish in the bottom 6, that genuinely is a fact.  Nowhere does he state that it's a fact that we will finish in the bottom 6, which can't be a fact as it's conjecture to say whether that is true or not until the end of the season.

Aside from that, the bit that I have issue within the lauding of a great decision to bring on Warnock is that the real big change that led to was moving Clark back into the middle where he completely bossed the game.  Given how well he'd been playing in central midfield for the last month the decision to move him out to left back was a terrible decision which he then corrected by stumbling onto the change to move him back (his own words).

Warnock had been playing badly and deserved to be dropped but moving clark and replacing him in midfield with keane was a bad decision.  It was a good result in the end and the 2nd half was very encouraging at times but 3 points doesn't make him immune to criticism.

I don't think he's the right person to take us forward, that's an opinion, it's based on his previous record and on his tactics and choices as manager over the last 6months or so.  I'm not saying everything has been terrible, the likelihood is that we will finish safely midtable, what I question is whether he has done enough in that time to suggest giving him money in the summer would improve us or not.  Some people will think he's earned the right to spend that money and then be judged on how it's spent and that's their opinion which they are entitled to.  Other people think he should be sacked on the spot and replaced with whatever we can get, again that's an opinion.

Personally i think the quality of performances on the pitch isn't good enough to offset the financial impact of having him at the club given the attitude of a large number of the fans.  Football has to be top priority but we're also a business and as a business we need to react better to the reaction of our customer base.  If the CEO of any normal business made a decision which led to a 10% loss of customers it would rightly be questioned.

[TheSandman]

To be fair quite a few of us wanted to shift Clark to left back to replace Warnock so we can't really criticise him for that, though I did think our midfield would be piss weak without Clark.

[Chris Smith]

And by the way, once again read my post, I clearly state "In my opinion" nowhere do I state fact.

Here:

the fact that in my opinion we will be fighting the drop along with another 6 or 7 teams in the Premiership this season

You're arguing semantics there Mr. Smith! This reminds me of your views when we were in the DO'Ldrums .. err .. days!

Zzzzz!

He said he didn't use the word "fact", I'm just reminding him that he did.

[paul_e]

To be fair quite a few of us wanted to shift Clark to left back to replace Warnock so we can't really criticise him for that, though I did think our midfield would be piss weak without Clark.

Indeed a few people on here wanted him to do just that, the difference is he's paid £2m a year (or something around there) to make the right decisions you aren't.

[Chris Smith]

To be fair quite a few of us wanted to shift Clark to left back to replace Warnock so we can't really criticise him for that, though I did think our midfield would be piss weak without Clark.

Indeed a few people on here wanted him to do just that, the difference is he's paid £2m a year (or something around there) to make the right decisions you aren't.

How do you know how something will work until you try it?

Aa for the broader point are you suggesting that opinions on here are worthless because we're nor paid to do it?

[James]

And by the way, once again read my post, I clearly state "In my opinion" nowhere do I state fact.

Here:

the fact that in my opinion we will be fighting the drop along with another 6 or 7 teams in the Premiership this season

You're arguing semantics there Mr. Smith! This reminds me of your views when we were in the DO'Ldrums .. err .. days!

Zzzzz!

He said he didn't use the word "fact", I'm just reminding him that he did.

Precisely. Semantics.

Yawn!

[paul_e]

To be fair quite a few of us wanted to shift Clark to left back to replace Warnock so we can't really criticise him for that, though I did think our midfield would be piss weak without Clark.

Indeed a few people on here wanted him to do just that, the difference is he's paid £2m a year (or something around there) to make the right decisions you aren't.

How do you know how something will work until you try it?

Aa for the broader point are you suggesting that opinions on here are worthless because we're nor paid to do it?

No, what i'm saying is he's paid to make decisions, if he gets them wrong it matters more than if we do.

As for not knowing if something will work until we try it, i kind of agree, but you have to rule out the really poor ideas before you try it (like heskey in midfield, oh, actually he tried that).  Moving a top performing player out of a position he was settled in is a poor decision.

[Ian.]

To be fair quite a few of us wanted to shift Clark to left back to replace Warnock so we can't really criticise him for that, though I did think our midfield would be piss weak without Clark.

Indeed a few people on here wanted him to do just that, the difference is he's paid £2m a year (or something around there) to make the right decisions you aren't.

Well as you are not getting paid 2 million a year maybe its not even worth listening to your opinion or comments based on that remark?

[paul_e]

To be fair quite a few of us wanted to shift Clark to left back to replace Warnock so we can't really criticise him for that, though I did think our midfield would be piss weak without Clark.

Indeed a few people on here wanted him to do just that, the difference is he's paid £2m a year (or something around there) to make the right decisions you aren't.

Well as you are not getting paid 2 million a year maybe its not even worth listening to your opinion or comments based on that remark?

You really want to read it that way then go ahead.  As I've already said in a follow up, the difference is if 1 of us makes a big deal about a decision and then it doesn't work out it's a loss of pride, if the manager does it it's slightly more significant, hence him making a decision that was supported but turned out to be wrong is something that can be used against him.

Left back wasn't the problem against wolves, centre mid was, where frimpong was bossing things, 2nd half frimpong was very quiet for the time he was on as clark got close to him and nullified the threat.

[Clampy]

To be fair quite a few of us wanted to shift Clark to left back to replace Warnock so we can't really criticise him for that, though I did think our midfield would be piss weak without Clark.

Indeed a few people on here wanted him to do just that, the difference is he's paid £2m a year (or something around there) to make the right decisions you aren't.

Well as you are not getting paid 2 million a year maybe its not even worth listening to your opinion or comments based on that remark?

Left back wasn't the problem against wolves, centre mid was

Left back was also a problem, Clark was getting run ragged by Kightly.