Saturdays Pre Match Entertainment. ( The McLeish Out Demo).

[nigel]

I think anyone that's involved in the protest shouldn't go to Arsenal away in the FA Cup, or better still stay away from Villa Park. Your 'support' isn't welcome.

I'd love nothing better than Mcleish to stick two fingers up to them by winning the FA Cup.

Spot on Holte

[nigel]

Nonsense, Ozz. It's not for the good of the club it's for the good of his ego. These people are just tiresome attention seekers, it won't change anything they just want to be on SSN and to pretend they've got "passion".

Can you imagine then being interviewed on the news?
Unable to string a sentence together, they'll make us a laughing stock!!
Maybe we should counter this demo by getting behind the Team, Manager & Owner inside the ground on Saturday and roar the club to victory.

[Summers]

It was bad enough before we appointed McLeish. The idiots outside the gates blathering nonsense "HE CAME FROM DEM BLOONOSES AND WE DON LIKE EM!"

[john e]

I think anyone that's involved in the protest shouldn't go to Arsenal away in the FA Cup, or better still stay away from Villa Park. Your 'support' isn't welcome.

I'd love nothing better than Mcleish to stick two fingers up to them by winning the FA Cup.

you'd love it in North Korea, no protests there

[levico]

Best way to protest is not to go the home matches. I'm really surprised that, given our appalling recent record, the gates haven't really dropped off significantly. Either shows that many supporters still care or it is a triumph for hope over experience.

[villajk]

Maybe we should counter this demo by getting behind the Team, Manager & Owner inside the ground on Saturday and roar the club to victory.

That's exactly what we should do.  Well said.

[Chris Smith]

Best way to protest is not to go the home matches. I'm really surprised that, given our appalling recent record, the gates haven't really dropped off significantly. Either shows that many supporters still care or it is a triumph for hope over experience.

Or that people take a more pragmatic, realistic approach than the hysterical ffor stomping toddlers behind this farce.

It would have been difficult for any manager taking over this season. Trying to build a team after losing his first choice keeper, both full backs and three quarters of his midfield. Another man might have got a couple more or a couple fewer points but we'd be largely where we are in terms of position. The test is how that we now progress with the payers looking like they're starting to gel into a team rather than a collection of individuals. To think that judgement can be made in half a season is foolish in the extreme.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Does anybody know if the protest organisers will be providing a packed lunch and name badges?

[Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle]

Does anybody know if the protest organisers will be providing a packed lunch and name badges?

No, only a bib to catch the drool.

[john e]

Best way to protest is not to go the home matches. I'm really surprised that, given our appalling recent record, the gates haven't really dropped off significantly. Either shows that many supporters still care or it is a triumph for hope over experience.

Or that people take a more pragmatic, realistic approach than the hysterical ffor stomping toddlers behind this farce.

It would have been difficult for any manager taking over this season. Trying to build a team after losing his first choice keeper, both full backs and three quarters of his midfield. Another man might have got a couple more or a couple fewer points but we'd be largely where we are in terms of position. The test is how that we now progress with the payers looking like they're starting to gel into a team rather than a collection of individuals. To think that judgement can be made in half a season is foolish in the extreme.

this 'half a season' thing does my head in, i'm not judging him on a few games at Villa, i'm looking at his whole career to date,
 his football is not great to watch, just ask the noses and they have seen some real shit down the years, the worst team to watch footballing wise last season was Blues, he was the manager,
he is known for his Negative, conservative, boring football, i'm not making it up everyone knows it, i dont live in Brum and everyone round me knows it even though they have no axe to grind re the two clubs.

i have said before if you dont like chinese food you dont go to a chinese resteraunt
, i dont like his football, i reallly dont think apart from a few good performances here and there that he will change, so i am volantaraly sidelined as a supporter because i just cant bear to watch most of the time,
its not judging him on a few games, i'm seeing him as he is, he has built his own reputation, its his fault he has this problem, he has the choice as to how to play the game, its nothing to do with money.

i havent been to one game since he took over, its not a one man protest, its not even financial, i just cant get excited about the football, if you offered me a free ticket to the Everton game i still wouldnt bother.

i have great respect for many posters on here who take a different view, yourself, DC5 and others, who are seeing what happens and hoping for a brighter future, but its not about league position for me, its purely about watching better quality football, i'm not holding my breath when i look at Mcliesh's career so far.

i'm not a protester, but i would still swap Mcliesh tomorow given the choice

[Chris Smith]

So basically, John, you are not even prepared to give him a chance. You've made up your mind and nothing will change it.

The fact is it is half a season, and that is what he should be judged on. If we had just appointed a manager who had a great reputation for attacking football but we lost every game 10-0 would you be arguing that he was ok because of what went before?

[john e]

So basically, John, you are not even prepared to give him a chance. You've made up your mind and nothing will change it.

The fact is it is half a season, and that is what he should be judged on. If we had just appointed a manager who had a great reputation for attacking football but we lost every game 10-0 would you be arguing that he was ok because of what went before?

being honest there is a lot of truth in what you say,
 i didnt want him based on his reputation, and i suppose baecause of that i dont think he will change, if you do then thats ok, hope your right.
the performances under Houllier were just as iratic, some real dire stuf there, but i was always willing to give him a go because of where i believed he was trying to take us, so when a bad performance came in similar to your 10 nil deafeat i still found something to be positive about.

i'm not Risso, i havent wanted every mnanager out over the last few years, and have always been extremely supportive of Randy and the board, and still am, although i think they dropped a big bollock with Mcliesh

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Interesting and honest post, John. I understand where you're coming from, especially about the performances but unlike you, I have faith, not so much in Alex McLeish but more the people he's surrounded himself with. I'm convinced McDonald and Sid can make a Villa man out of McLeish, I also think McLeish would love to play better football and is humble enough to admit he still has a lot to learn.

After so many years of crap football at Villa Park, it's not going to change overnight but at least the right people are there in place and there is the will to improve. For that alone I think he deserves a chance.

[PaulWinch again]

It might serve us better to support the team and try and encourage them to believe they can express themselves at home.

[Ads]

I think anyone that's involved in the protest shouldn't go to Arsenal away in the FA Cup, or better still stay away from Villa Park. Your 'support' isn't welcome.

I'd love nothing better than Mcleish to stick two fingers up to them by winning the FA Cup.

you'd love it in North Korea, no protests there

Can a bunch of mardy wankers narked that a former Nose is in charge really be on the same platform as those that might wish to protest about human rights and so on?

I'd say no.

For me they can fuck off with their negative shite.