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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: The Laughing Policeman on January 11, 2012, 01:36:59 PM
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Hope you're all busy spraying slogans on your bed sheets for this one.
I'll be turning up early to watch, not to take part. I do find something compellingly entertaining about watching idiots at work.
If it's half as bad as the one the noses held at SHA it should be well funny.
For those of you who don't know, it starts at Witton Island at 2.00pm and they are going to march round the ground and end up outside the Villa Village for a chant session. And they are expecting the 'media' to turn up.........well Mr. Woodhall will be on duty in his usual place and he counts as media.
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All be it slightly embarrassing though!! If I get there early enough I might do. I really want to try and get up to the Barton arms at some point this season too though and this Saturday is looking hopeful.
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First I've heard of this.
What's wrong with just watching the teams warm-up, or a pair of blind school teams playing each other before the game?
I mean, who do we think we are? Blackburn?
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What a bunch of embarassing morons.
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I might go and take photos so we can play "Where's dazzyg" asfterwards.
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****** the lot of them.
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c***s the lot of them.
I think you could have missed out the word lot in your post. ;)
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What!!!! No press???? Let's get real lads AM is not popular with more people than just me....
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What happens if 10 little pricks take the protest inside the ground?
I don't think they will last very long.
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c***s the lot of them.
Why are they??
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c***s the lot of them.
Why are they??????
Because they're going to have us looking like clueless Blackburn supporters, that's why.
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c***s the lot of them.
Why are they??
Things are not worth a protest.
We could be in a lot worse position.
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What!!!! No press???? Let's get real lads AM is not popular with more people than just me....
Yes, but you're confusing people who may not rate McLeish with people who have the need to bang on about it every second of every day and for who their dislike of McLeish has overtaken their support of Villa. There's a difference.
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c***s the lot of them.
Why are they??????
Because they're going to have us looking like clueless Blackburn supporters, that's why.
Freedom of speech....................you pay your money......
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c***s the lot of them.
Why are they??????
Because they're going to have us looking like clueless Blackburn supporters, that's why.
Freedom of speech....................you pay your money......
I didn't say they didn't have the right to do it, they can do what they want.
That doesn't mean they're not clueless ****** (in my opinion) though.
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What!!!! No press???? Let's get real lads AM is not popular with more people than just me....
Yes, but you're confusing people who may not rate McLeish with people who have the need to bang on about it every second of every day and for who their dislike of McLeish has overtaken their support of Villa. There's a difference.
If you don't like fans having "an opinion" then don't reply. SIMPLES.
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What!!!! No press???? Let's get real lads AM is not popular with more people than just me....
Yes, but you're confusing people who may not rate McLeish with people who have the need to bang on about it every second of every day and for who their dislike of McLeish has overtaken their support of Villa. There's a difference.
If you don't like fans having "an opinion" then don't reply. SIMPLES.
Did I say people couldn't have an opinion? And yes, you are.
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All fans aren't like a few on here who think you can't fault the manager and you have to be positive otherwise people won't like it. Well it doesn't work like that in the real world if you don't agree then voice it.
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Bottom line is AM has yet to do anything that warrants the sack. Some may not like him and some may think we could get a better man, but given our resources results are relatively decent and performances are showing some recent improvement. We're a couple of places below where I think we should be in the league, but that's hardly a sacing offence with half the season left to play.
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What!!!! No press???? Let's get real lads AM is not popular with more people than just me....
Yes, but you're confusing people who may not rate McLeish with people who have the need to bang on about it every second of every day and for who their dislike of McLeish has overtaken their support of Villa. There's a difference.
If you don't like fans having "an opinion" then don't reply. SIMPLES.
Did I say people couldn't have an opinion? And yes, you are.
ouch !!!!! how long did it take you to work out that reply............. I'm amazed how many people are on here making comments during the day doesn't anyone go to work????? I only comment during a break at work.....am I in the minority who actually work.......
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Is the manager beyond critisism: No.
Do I like the manager: No.
Do I not like the manager because of where he used to manage: No.
Do I think there are other, more valid, reasons for not liking the manager: Yes.
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All fans aren't like a few on here who think you can't fault the manager and you have to be positive otherwise people won't like it. Well it doesn't work like that in the real world if you don't agree then voice it.
Nobody has said that the manager can't be faulted, or that everything is positive. He clearly can and everything clearly isn't.
'In the real world' there are also a number of viewpoints between 'everything is perfect' and 'sack him now'. You seem not to be able to understand this. Also your constant insinuation that anybody who isn't chanting anti-McLeish chants twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week isn't a 'real fan' is pathetic.
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What!!!! No press???? Let's get real lads AM is not popular with more people than just me....
Yes, but you're confusing people who may not rate McLeish with people who have the need to bang on about it every second of every day and for who their dislike of McLeish has overtaken their support of Villa. There's a difference.
If you don't like fans having "an opinion" then don't reply. SIMPLES.
Did I say people couldn't have an opinion? And yes, you are.
ouch !!!!! how long did it take you to work out that reply............. I'm amazed how many people are on here making comments during the day doesn't anyone go to work????? I only comment during a break at work.....am I in the minority who actually work.......
Given that you're commenting during a break from work, do you not think it's possible that the other people posting are also commenting during a break from work?
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All fans aren't like a few on here who think you can't fault the manager and you have to be positive otherwise people won't like it. Well it doesn't work like that in the real world if you don't agree then voice it.
Nobody has said that the manager can't be faulted, or that everything is positive. He clearly can and everything clearly isn't.
'In the real world' there are also a number of viewpoints between 'everything is perfect' and 'sack him now'. You seem not to be able to understand this. Also your constant insinuation that anybody who isn't chanting anti-McLeish chants twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week isn't a 'real fan' is pathetic.
ouch again......................Fans without an opinion are not real fans.............unless your an armchair fan......hmmmmm are you?
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Im on the fence here. I enjoy drinking before the game too much to bother with demonstrations and all that and being a Brummie cant be arsed! I have to say I rather like Mr McLeish back to his Rangers Aberdeen and Scotland days BUT this season is so hard work.. The football in the vast majority of the time has been dire. Jenas Hutton and Keane have been so boring please dont touch Spurs reserves again. I can appreciate were in a season of mid table numbness and im trying to go with the flow but if it wasnt for a meet with the lads on saturday would I bother going?
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All fans aren't like a few on here who think you can't fault the manager and you have to be positive otherwise people won't like it. Well it doesn't work like that in the real world if you don't agree then voice it.
Do you remember the 'Ellis Out' protests? They were cringeworthy and this is going to be worse. If you want to protest, hit the club where it hurts - don't go to the match.
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What!!!! No press???? Let's get real lads AM is not popular with more people than just me....
Yes, but you're confusing people who may not rate McLeish with people who have the need to bang on about it every second of every day and for who their dislike of McLeish has overtaken their support of Villa. There's a difference.
If you don't like fans having "an opinion" then don't reply. SIMPLES.
Did I say people couldn't have an opinion? And yes, you are.
ouch !!!!! how long did it take you to work out that reply............. I'm amazed how many people are on here making comments during the day doesn't anyone go to work????? I only comment during a break at work.....am I in the minority who actually work.......
Given that you're commenting during a break from work, do you not think it's possible that the other people posting are also commenting during a break from work?
Must be a bloody long break............
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Dave Clark Five should run a Guess the Crowd for this.
My guess is 54. Four protestors, no media and fifty people pointing and laughing and following my recent form in the GTC that is probably going to be too high.
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All fans aren't like a few on here who think you can't fault the manager and you have to be positive otherwise people won't like it. Well it doesn't work like that in the real world if you don't agree then voice it.
Do you remember the 'Ellis Out' protests? They were cringeworthy and this is going to be worse. If you want to protest, hit the club where it hurts - don't go to the match.
Already paid for a season ticket in August (stupidly) £620 down the drain
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Oh dear.
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ouch again......................Fans without an opinion are not real fans.............unless your an armchair fan......hmmmmm are you?
So basically, if I think he shouldn't be sacked, I don't have an opinion. What you really mean is that anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't a real fan.
If we all agree that you're the 'bestest fan in the world ever', will that make you happy?
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It doesn't take long for the 'I'm a better fan than you argument' to come out on these types of threads.
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All fans aren't like a few on here who think you can't fault the manager and you have to be positive otherwise people won't like it. Well it doesn't work like that in the real world if you don't agree then voice it.
Do you remember the 'Ellis Out' protests? They were cringeworthy and this is going to be worse. If you want to protest, hit the club where it hurts - don't go to the match.
Already paid for a season ticket in August (stupidly) £620 down the drain
Gutted for you. Don't pay up next season unless there is a change of manager and a change of direction from the board. That's my own, personal protest anyway.
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There is of course the alternative march...
My Demo starts at the Villa Village at 1.55pm and then goes around the ground and up towards the Witton Island.
We're protesting against the people who are making a laughing stock of our club.
We've got a facebook page with 40,000 followers, a bed sheet sponsorship with Skidders the second hand bedsheet company and have employed a professional proof reader to help with the slogan spelling. We're hoping that Birmingham Hospital Broadcast Network will cover the entirety of the event and a photographer from Big'n'Bouncy 50+ will also be present.
I'll be the good looking one at the front of the march with the small indentations on my cheeks. DIMPLES.
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Anybody fancy a counter protest?
2 cars full should just about cover it.
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I'm so glad you have a job dazzyg. It makes me feel really happy that your income tax is helping to keep me in the comfort of retirement. And just think, your taxes are being well spent as I attend every home match at the tax payers expense. ;D
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Dazzy, I agree, I don't want McLeish to be our manager either really. But bloody hell, not because he's a former bluenose, not at the expense of supporting Villa and I certainly don't think people who disagree are lesser fans. Come on, be a bit more reasonable.
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I haven't been thrilled with Mcleish, but of late(Swansea apart) we have seen improved performance and an effort to try and play football. He doesn't warrant being sacked.
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ouch again......................Fans without an opinion are not real fans.............unless your an armchair fan......hmmmmm are you?
So basically, if I think he shouldn't be sacked, I don't have an opinion. What you really mean is that anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't a real fan.
If we all agree that you're the 'bestest fan in the world ever', will that make you happy?
Who said anything about "the best fan in the world ever"?? Has this site suddenly become a "creche"?
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All fans aren't like a few on here who think you can't fault the manager and you have to be positive otherwise people won't like it. Well it doesn't work like that in the real world if you don't agree then voice it.
And all fans aren't like you on here who want him sacked. In fact, I think you'll see from the embarassingly poor turn out this protest will get exactly how few do.
And for the record I'm at work, but posting on here as I can't be arsed doing any real work and my boss can't see my screen!
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My demo march will begin at about 2.30, at the Leisure Centre car park (about halfway to the back), and will proceed from there, past the church, up Trinity Road and to the last turnstile for block A.
It will take the form of a silent demo, but will also include surliness and yawns.
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ouch again......................Fans without an opinion are not real fans.............unless your an armchair fan......hmmmmm are you?
So basically, if I think he shouldn't be sacked, I don't have an opinion. What you really mean is that anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't a real fan.
If we all agree that you're the 'bestest fan in the world ever', will that make you happy?
Who said anything about "the best fan in the world ever"?? Has this site suddenly become a "creche"?
You have repeatedly said that anyone who doesn't agree with you, or to use your phrase 'hasn't got an opinion' isn't a real fan. Clearly that must mean that you are.
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Dazzy, I agree, I don't want McLeish to be our manager either really. But bloody hell, not because he's a former bluenose, not at the expense of supporting Villa and I certainly don't think people who disagree are lesser fans. Come on, be a bit more reasonable.
Monty - As I have previously said (many times) the fact that he came from the blues is only half the problem I genuinely have not got a gripe because where he came from admittedly I didn't agree but now having given him six months and it just seems obvious he is not the man to be manager.
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ouch again......................Fans without an opinion are not real fans.............unless your an armchair fan......hmmmmm are you?
So basically, if I think he shouldn't be sacked, I don't have an opinion. What you really mean is that anyone who doesn't agree with you isn't a real fan.
If we all agree that you're the 'bestest fan in the world ever', will that make you happy?
Who said anything about "the best fan in the world ever"?? Has this site suddenly become a "creche"?
You have repeatedly said that anyone who doesn't agree with you, or to use your phrase 'hasn't got an opinion' isn't a real fan. Clearly that must mean that you are.
Sheffield Villain only has eyes for AM good luck to you - but please don't try to be funny as your really not.....
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Dazzy, I agree, I don't want McLeish to be our manager either really. But bloody hell, not because he's a former bluenose, not at the expense of supporting Villa and I certainly don't think people who disagree are lesser fans. Come on, be a bit more reasonable.
Monty - As I have previously said (many times) the fact that he came from the blues is only half the problem I genuinely have not got a gripe because where he came from admittedly I didn't agree but now having given him six months and it just seems obvious he is not the man to be manager.
So him coming from Blues is half the problem, but you don't have a problem with it?
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My demo march will begin at about 2.30, at the Leisure Centre car park (about halfway to the back), and will proceed from there, past the church, up Trinity Road and to the last turnstile for block A.
It will take the form of a silent demo, but will also include surliness and yawns.
At the football being served up?
Villa aren't making me very happy at the mo, I'd like to know if there's a long term plan - if we're just coasting for a couple of years in order to have another pop at the chumps league then fine. However, I get the feeling that we're being set up to run within our means, sell quality youngsters and plod on in mid-table.
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I look forward to the many comments that no doubt will appear during the next few hours.... will look forward to when others come to their senses.
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How can where he came from be "only half the problem" if you "genuinely have not got a gripe because where he came from"?
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Sheffield Villain only has eyes for AM good luck to you - but please don't try to be funny as your really not.....
That's right. Because I don't think he should be sacked, I obviously think he's the greatest manager ever and I'm in the process of writing to Randy to beg him to organise a contract extension. In fact I might even make up my own chant about it.
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I think dazzyg's protest is in danger of having less impact than an asian kid on a street corner advertising 2 for 1 any size Pizza. If he's lucky, people will think that's what he's doing.
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I wonder if the organiser(s) of this demo have got police permission to hold a march along the public highway. It is a legal requirement.
If not, it would be so funny to see them being rounded up by the West Midlands finest and chucked in the back of a police van. I think one van would be plenty.
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Sheffield Villain only has eyes for AM good luck to you - but please don't try to be funny as your really not.....
Firstly, it's you're, not your. Secondly, your (possessive adjective) debating style is beyond idiotic. Thirdly, if you're (as in "you are") going to have a go at someone for not being "funny", it would probably make sense to try and make your (again, possessive adjective) "joke" a small bit humorous.
And yes, this site has become to resemble more of a creche lately, particularly after you stumbled in.
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I wonder if the organiser(s) of this demo have got police permission to hold a march along the public highway. It is a legal requirement.
If not, it would be so funny to see them being rounded up by the West Midlands finest and chucked in the back of a police van. I think one van would be plenty.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Police_bicycle.jpg)
The Police are poised ready to give the protesters backies to Aston Road nick.
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Shower of pricks, the lot of them. They should have their silly little demo in the phone box on Aston Lane to save everyone else the embarrassment.
It's probably the same mob who had the demo when he arrived. They seem to have this fantasy embedded in their thick skulls that we've got some reputation as an entertaining footballing side which McLeish has single-handedly destroyed overnight. Well sorry to piss all over your chips dears, but apart from 1992/3 and 1995/6, we've been pretty shit to watch for as long as I can remember.
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This will be funny, they'll all (sorry both) stress that it has nothing to do with him managing the Blues then start singing shit on the city in very high pitched voices.
******.
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I wonder if the organiser(s) of this demo have got police permission to hold a march along the public highway. It is a legal requirement.
If not, it would be so funny to see them being rounded up by the West Midlands finest and chucked in the back of a police van. I think one van would be plenty.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Police_bicycle.jpg)
The Police are poised ready to give the protesters backies to Aston Road nick.
There's no stunt nuts on that.
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My own personal demo will start at noon in the High st Duxford, it will then be continued in the car, in silence for an hour and a half, we will stop for refreshment at about 2pm in a pub near a car park near the ground, we will then stroll down about ten to 3 for the game which we have already decided not to enjoy even if Team McLeish play well and win, we will then drive home in silence again to arrive back in Duxford for 6.30ish.
we support our brothers in their struggle against the McLeish !
UTV (am I allowed to say this brother ?)
The Doc
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Shower of pricks, the lot of them. They should have their silly little demo in the phone box on Aston Lane to save everyone else the embarrassment.
It's probably the same mob who had the demo when he arrived. They seem to have this fantasy embedded in their thick skulls that we've got some reputation as an entertaining footballing side which McLeish has single-handedly destroyed overnight. Well sorry to piss all over your chips dears, but apart from 1992/3 and 1995/6, we've been pretty shit to watch for as long as I can remember.
Absofuckinglutey!
We laugh at the Knuckledraggers obsession with us but over the last few years there's been an unhealthy and embarrassing increase in the number of Villa fans obsessed with them. Can't we just go back to ignoring them, a simple cheer and chuckle at full time when their defeat is announced, why do we have to be so bloody small time?
Still, it's a good omen, the last attention seeking demonstration to our manager saw a Villa victory in an entertaining game. Maybe these twats have a point.
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the performances against Spurs and liverpool made us look a far bigger laughing stock than anything a few protesters will do
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the performances against Spurs and liverpool made us look a far bigger laughing stock than anything a few protesters will do
Is the correct answer.
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We laugh at the Knuckledraggers obsession with us but over the last few years there's been an unhealthy and embarrassing increase in the number of Villa fans obsessed with them. Can't we just go back to ignoring them, a simple cheer and chuckle at full time when their defeat is announced, why do we have to be so bloody small time?
What really gets me is the extra enthusiasm of the tanoy announcer when reading our the half time scores and they're losing. OK, it'll get a cheer, but it's the sort of sh't you'd expect from them!
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It won't last forever. Given their current trajectory I think in a few years time we will have forgotten about them. A bit like how we used to really hate Coventry but now only seem to laugh at them.
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What!!!! No press???? Let's get real lads AM is not popular with more people than just me....
"........................................ their dislike of McLeish has overtaken their support of Villa."
Smacks the nail right on the head.
Maybe if these people came and got behind the team instead of mumbling and grumbling the atmosphere in the ground wouldn't be as bad. The best games we've seen are the ones where the crowd has got behind the team, and they've responded.
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I might go and laugh at them. ;D
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There's no stunt nuts on that.
Stunt nuts??
Now that HAS to be a euphemism.
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(http://jonathanturley.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/angry_mob.png)
Whatever you do, don't teach them the secret of fire.
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Anyway, as long as you all buy a fanzine as you march past me I'll be happy.
Should get the sales over double figures if I'm lucky.
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Anyway, as long as you all buy a fanzine as you march past me I'll be happy.
Should get the sales over double figures if I'm lucky.
Nah they will be too busy buying the 'Randy out!' T-shirts I am knocking up.
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Unfortunately, I cant make the game this weekend but would have loved to see these "fans" protesting. Definitely entertainment before the game. I hope someone video's on their phones and uploads it to youtube so the people who cant be there to see 10 lads chanting "mcleish out".
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Can't see the point of a protest before the game as if we beat Everton and results go our way we could be 8th by the end of the day!
If we lose meekly again, I can see however the crowd really turning against him at the end as that would be our fifth straight defeat at VP.
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I wasn't delighted with his appointment, I haven't been delighted by the majority of performances and I'm not delighted with our league position. But if the AM haters were able to look at things logically they would realise that after losing the players we did in the summer his results do not warrant him being sacked. But anyone pointing that out risks being called a Mcleish lover and someone who is happy for Villa to be in the bottom half of the table.
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The thing that amazes me most about the anti-mcleish zealots (and I'm not including those who don't rate him, more the ones who think he should be sacked at all costs), is how black and white everything appears to them. It's as if once we get rid of McLeish we'll be straight away back fighting for european football again or something. Same for the fanatically anti-Lerner fringe, they seem to think that once he sells up we're certain to have some moneybags bankrolling us. They really don't seem to be living in the real world.
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The thing that amazes me most about the anti-mcleish zealots (and I'm not including those who don't rate him, more the ones who think he should be sacked at all costs), is how black and white everything appears to them. It's as if once we get rid of McLeish we'll be straight away back fighting for european football again or something. Same for the fanatically anti-Lerner fringe, they seem to think that once he sells up we're certain to have some moneybags bankrolling us. They really don't seem to be living in the real world.
^^ Yes ^^
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Same for the fanatically anti-Lerner fringe, they seem to think that once he sells up we're certain to have some moneybags bankrolling us. They really don't seem to be living in the real world.
That's accountants for you. *winky*
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Ah, excellent! I'm quite looking forward to mercilessly mocking Jizzyg and any other knuckledragging cocksocket that joins in this demonstration. I'm guessing the average age of participating cocksockets will be around 12, all wearing "McLeish Out" t-shirts and chanting "Shit on the City". Should be fun!
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I know we are not good, we seen in last month an improvement in performanc e and 2 win out of 3 games. Admittely we are shit but a protest, get real!
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You don't want the man, neither do I. I think he is a terrible Manager and we usually play awful football.
But a protest at this stage of the season given the current league position is just too early. And if it is just a few of you - bloody embarrasing to you and the rest of us.
It won't change anything until you have the majority of the stadium behind you, and that might happen soon. So wait until the majority opinion supports a protest. I hope we improve and that doesn't happen but... Then it will carry weight. Four of you with a bedsheet is pathetic.
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Bloody hell, it could be a lot worse. I mean, just the other day we beat Bristol City! Imagine how angry people would be if we'd have stuffed that game up.
Protests rarely achieve anything other than bad publicity and gives SSN the opportunity to interview the biggest bilge spouting muppet with the most spelling mistakes on his sign, who everyone else proceeds to laugh at. Silly.
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When did we play Bristol City? Was it before or after we played Bristol Rovers?
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Can they not just use that energy to instead sing some Villa songs and get the atmo going. Or is it really that hard to support our team?
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I think any demo would be embarrassing and completely counterproductive. McL should be given time, particularly as the board are doing very little to back him.
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All fans aren't like a few on here who think you can't fault the manager and you have to be positive otherwise people won't like it. Well it doesn't work like that in the real world if you don't agree then voice it.
Do you remember the 'Ellis Out' protests? They were cringeworthy and this is
going to be worse. If you want to protest, hit the club where it hurts - don't go to the match.
Already paid for a season ticket in August (stupidly) £620 down the drain
Very generous of you to pay over the odds for your season ticket.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/SeasonTicketsPricesPayments
Does the fact you now resent having paid this mean that you won't be back next season?
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This is bloody ridiculous.
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I'll turn up and have a watch, to be honest I'm kind of 50-50 on the matter, but I think he'll never win over the haters no matter how well he does, unfortunately :(
OCCUPY VILLA VILLAGE
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i wont be protesting, to old and cant be arsed,
i didnt want Mcliesh and still dont, although i do think he is a very decent man, and has handled the job with great dignity and tact, in fact i like the man a lot but not his football,
unfortunatly its his football thats the most important bit for me
having said all that, i didnt bother protesting originaly at VP when we were all laughing at the protesters then on these pages, if we had all gone and there was 20k saying we didnt want him, he wouldnt have been appointed,
so in a way we got ourselves to blame, its all write moaning all the time [and i'm as bad as any other] but unless we are willing to do something about it you get what you dont want.
i have a little respect for the protesters, i know some of them will be little twats, but some will just want a change of manager and are prepared to do something about it, its our club after all, not Randy's he's just the owner for now, but its ours.
for those who dont mind Mcliesh being in charge and dont want any change, then i say fine, you have every right to moan about the protest,
but for those who want Mcliesh out but still complain about the protest, and make fun of those prepared to do something about it then its you who are the hypocrites,
like i said i wont be protesting but i wont be criticizeing those who are
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John pretty much summed up how i feel about Eck. I thought it was the wrong appointment at the time and i still do think that, but i can't help liking the bloke. I much prefer him to Houiller and it seems most of the players do as well. The main problem is that under him we're not creating enough chances. With Ireland getting a run now and Keane coming in, that might change and we'll hopefully start climbing the table, but overall the football has been poor and that needs to change if he's going to have any hope of winning the doubters over.
As for the protest, the board did'nt listen in pre-season, so they're not going to listen now. In any case, it's a 'he's a bluenose' protest and don't let them tell you any different.
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What annoys me about this is I can just see the press reaction. It won't be 'a few lads and a bed sheet' it'll be dressed up to sound like they speak for 'all villa fans' and that would include me.
As I see it, the time for this sort of thing is at the end of the season or if we're in real relegation trouble. You could have half the Holte protesting on Saturday and the board won't sack him. The only thing I can see it achieving is to add the gloom that's been about the place all season. I believe that the team play better when we're behind them. I also believe that there's signs of the players being nervous about playing at home as the slightest mistake seems to get the boo boys started at the moment. If you want to see Villa improve then get behind them. Anything else is pointless or counter-productive in my opinion.
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Premature, it will come to that, IMO they are shooting there bolt early, hold your horses guys, we may need that energy a month from now when it will really count.
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What a bunch of pricks.
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RJP - that is why I have started to be relieved we are away in the cup. The atmosphere at Villa Park can turn bad at the drop of a hat. Apart from the Arsenal game it has been bad anyway. That is no new thing though. The acoustics cannot be blamed and it is only occasionally that we get the place like a proper madhouse. Until the whole ground get at it, the noise levels are poor. I think it has always been like that, even going back to the 60s. Pity we can't put wooden seats and floorboards back in the Trinity.
A few hard tackles in midfield usually does the trick.
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What a bunch of pricks.
Seconded.
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What!!!! No press???? Let's get real lads AM is not popular with more people than just me....
Yes, but you're confusing people who may not rate McLeish with people who have the need to bang on about it every second of every day and for who their dislike of McLeish has overtaken their support of Villa. There's a difference.
Yes.
Dazzy, I agree, I don't want McLeish to be our manager either really. But bloody hell, not because he's a former bluenose, not at the expense of supporting Villa and I certainly don't think people who disagree are lesser fans. Come on, be a bit more reasonable.
And yes again.
Anything of this nature is way too early. And whilst some of us may laugh, take the
piss and be quite dismissive of the thing, saying it's nowt to do with us, the media won't see it that way.
It won't be reported as some Villa fans. It will be Villa fans. We'll all be guilty by association.
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All be it slightly embarrassing though!! If I get there early enough I might do. I really want to try and get up to the Barton arms at some point this season too though and this Saturday is looking hopeful.
No contest, go to the Bartons.
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I wonder if all of those numpties that showed up in pre-season at Villa Park to protest and made the rest of us look like a bunch of mindless gobshite will all make a return?
Just thinking about it, us vs Everton is a battle of the once mighty, now disillusioned and depressed. It will be fight to see which set of fans can be more depressed than the other by the end of the game.
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Just thinking about it, us vs Everton is a battle of the once mighty, now disillusioned and depressed. It will be fight to see which set of fans can be more depressed than the other by the end of the game.
You just know it is going to be 0-0!
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Really, protests? PROTESTS? OCCUPY VILLA PARK!
Dear oh dear. A handful of angry teenagers. We can but hope sky et al ignore them.
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Blackburn's protesting has been utterly embarrassing, why would we want to get get involved with that sort of thing? Especially, as while things haven't been great we have seen some improvement of late and it's hardly disastrous at the moment.
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If they really feel the need to protest, they should aim their ire at Lerner, not McLeish, who can't help being crap.
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Fucking idiots.
I won't see them mind. I will be at The Bartons for 12.
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Four of you with a bedsheet is pathetic.
Latest I've heard is the Bedsheet Four have got a top quality vinyl banner with digital printing, thanks mainly to the protest being officially sponsored by Clearasil.
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Fucking idiots.
I won't see them mind. I will be at The Bartons for 12.
I'll probably be in the Aston by 2.00pm so i'll have to make a point of popping my head outside to see what the turnout's like, although i've a feeling it'll be a Father Ted type protest.
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Down with this type of thing
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Careful now
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What!!!! No press???? Let's get real lads AM is not popular with more people than just me....
Yes, but you're confusing people who may not rate McLeish with people who have the need to bang on about it every second of every day and for who their dislike of McLeish has overtaken their support of Villa. There's a difference.
If you don't like fans having "an opinion" then don't reply. SIMPLES.
Did I say people couldn't have an opinion? And yes, you are.
Obviously you can't express your opinion Sheffield ;D
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There is of course the alternative march...
My Demo starts at the Villa Village at 1.55pm and then goes around the ground and up towards the Witton Island.
We're protesting against the people who are making a laughing stock of our club.
We've got a facebook page with 40,000 followers, a bed sheet sponsorship with Skidders the second hand bedsheet company and have employed a professional proof reader to help with the slogan spelling. We're hoping that Birmingham Hospital Broadcast Network will cover the entirety of the event and a photographer from Big'n'Bouncy 50+ will also be present.
I'll be the good looking one at the front of the march with the small indentations on my cheeks. DIMPLES.
Quality.
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It sounds like an Eric Cartman convention.
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Mcleish won't care, the board won't care what's the point? Just stay away. That's the best way to upset the board.
As someone said the players are scared to make a mistake because everyone gets at them, negative atmosphere doesn't help anything
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I've heard the bloke who rocks up on 20 secs into this clip will be in attendance. Hope so anyway. Buffoons.
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c***s the lot of them.
Why are they??????
Because they're going to have us looking like clueless Blackburn supporters, that's why.
Freedom of speech....................you pay your money......
Im all for freedom of speech but having to pay for it defeats the object a bit.
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I think anyone that's involved in the protest shouldn't go to Arsenal away in the FA Cup, or better still stay away from Villa Park. Your 'support' isn't welcome.
I'd love nothing better than Mcleish to stick two fingers up to them by winning the FA Cup.
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thouroughly embarrassed to hear these plans. and the unrest last season with the bedsheets with houllier out really helped the team against wolves didnt it!
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You know what, I am in 2 minds. I think people are being a bit,... no quite harsh on a bloke having a protest about something which is essentially for the good of the club, and if you asked every villa fan tomorrow I reckon a good 85% would say they would be delighted if McLeish was gone in the morning.
My gripe with the protest comes when you know it will have Blues related content to the chanting, whereas it is the football and the direction of that side of things which is the actual reason that I would do a little dance if he got the chop.
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Nonsense, Ozz. It's not for the good of the club it's for the good of his ego. These people are just tiresome attention seekers, it won't change anything they just want to be on SSN and to pretend they've got "passion".
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Attention seeking idiots.
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Nonsense, Ozz. It's not for the good of the club it's for the good of his ego. These people are just tiresome attention seekers, it won't change anything they just want to be on SSN and to pretend they've got "passion".
yep, much better to show your passion on the internet, banging about on the keyboard whilst sitting on your arse, that'l show em.
[obviously not you CS as i know you are generaly positive re manager and owner]
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The thing that amazes me most about the anti-mcleish zealots (and I'm not including those who don't rate him, more the ones who think he should be sacked at all costs), is how black and white everything appears to them. It's as if once we get rid of McLeish we'll be straight away back fighting for european football again or something. Same for the fanatically anti-Lerner fringe, they seem to think that once he sells up we're certain to have some moneybags bankrolling us. They really don't seem to be living in the real world.
^^ Yes ^^
Yes. Exactly. I remember when everyone was moaning about O'Leary. We never should have sacked him - how were we to know Ellis was going to sell the club to a multibillionaire? They don't grow on trees you know!
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I think anyone that's involved in the protest shouldn't go to Arsenal away in the FA Cup, or better still stay away from Villa Park. Your 'support' isn't welcome.
I'd love nothing better than Mcleish to stick two fingers up to them by winning the FA Cup.
Spot on Holte
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Nonsense, Ozz. It's not for the good of the club it's for the good of his ego. These people are just tiresome attention seekers, it won't change anything they just want to be on SSN and to pretend they've got "passion".
Can you imagine then being interviewed on the news?
Unable to string a sentence together, they'll make us a laughing stock!!
Maybe we should counter this demo by getting behind the Team, Manager & Owner inside the ground on Saturday and roar the club to victory.
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It was bad enough before we appointed McLeish. The idiots outside the gates blathering nonsense "HE CAME FROM DEM BLOONOSES AND WE DON LIKE EM!"
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I think anyone that's involved in the protest shouldn't go to Arsenal away in the FA Cup, or better still stay away from Villa Park. Your 'support' isn't welcome.
I'd love nothing better than Mcleish to stick two fingers up to them by winning the FA Cup.
you'd love it in North Korea, no protests there
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Best way to protest is not to go the home matches. I'm really surprised that, given our appalling recent record, the gates haven't really dropped off significantly. Either shows that many supporters still care or it is a triumph for hope over experience.
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Maybe we should counter this demo by getting behind the Team, Manager & Owner inside the ground on Saturday and roar the club to victory.
That's exactly what we should do. Well said.
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Best way to protest is not to go the home matches. I'm really surprised that, given our appalling recent record, the gates haven't really dropped off significantly. Either shows that many supporters still care or it is a triumph for hope over experience.
Or that people take a more pragmatic, realistic approach than the hysterical ffor stomping toddlers behind this farce.
It would have been difficult for any manager taking over this season. Trying to build a team after losing his first choice keeper, both full backs and three quarters of his midfield. Another man might have got a couple more or a couple fewer points but we'd be largely where we are in terms of position. The test is how that we now progress with the payers looking like they're starting to gel into a team rather than a collection of individuals. To think that judgement can be made in half a season is foolish in the extreme.
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Does anybody know if the protest organisers will be providing a packed lunch and name badges?
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Does anybody know if the protest organisers will be providing a packed lunch and name badges?
No, only a bib to catch the drool.
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Best way to protest is not to go the home matches. I'm really surprised that, given our appalling recent record, the gates haven't really dropped off significantly. Either shows that many supporters still care or it is a triumph for hope over experience.
Or that people take a more pragmatic, realistic approach than the hysterical ffor stomping toddlers behind this farce.
It would have been difficult for any manager taking over this season. Trying to build a team after losing his first choice keeper, both full backs and three quarters of his midfield. Another man might have got a couple more or a couple fewer points but we'd be largely where we are in terms of position. The test is how that we now progress with the payers looking like they're starting to gel into a team rather than a collection of individuals. To think that judgement can be made in half a season is foolish in the extreme.
this 'half a season' thing does my head in, i'm not judging him on a few games at Villa, i'm looking at his whole career to date,
his football is not great to watch, just ask the noses and they have seen some real shit down the years, the worst team to watch footballing wise last season was Blues, he was the manager,
he is known for his Negative, conservative, boring football, i'm not making it up everyone knows it, i dont live in Brum and everyone round me knows it even though they have no axe to grind re the two clubs.
i have said before if you dont like chinese food you dont go to a chinese resteraunt
, i dont like his football, i reallly dont think apart from a few good performances here and there that he will change, so i am volantaraly sidelined as a supporter because i just cant bear to watch most of the time,
its not judging him on a few games, i'm seeing him as he is, he has built his own reputation, its his fault he has this problem, he has the choice as to how to play the game, its nothing to do with money.
i havent been to one game since he took over, its not a one man protest, its not even financial, i just cant get excited about the football, if you offered me a free ticket to the Everton game i still wouldnt bother.
i have great respect for many posters on here who take a different view, yourself, DC5 and others, who are seeing what happens and hoping for a brighter future, but its not about league position for me, its purely about watching better quality football, i'm not holding my breath when i look at Mcliesh's career so far.
i'm not a protester, but i would still swap Mcliesh tomorow given the choice
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So basically, John, you are not even prepared to give him a chance. You've made up your mind and nothing will change it.
The fact is it is half a season, and that is what he should be judged on. If we had just appointed a manager who had a great reputation for attacking football but we lost every game 10-0 would you be arguing that he was ok because of what went before?
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So basically, John, you are not even prepared to give him a chance. You've made up your mind and nothing will change it.
The fact is it is half a season, and that is what he should be judged on. If we had just appointed a manager who had a great reputation for attacking football but we lost every game 10-0 would you be arguing that he was ok because of what went before?
being honest there is a lot of truth in what you say,
i didnt want him based on his reputation, and i suppose baecause of that i dont think he will change, if you do then thats ok, hope your right.
the performances under Houllier were just as iratic, some real dire stuf there, but i was always willing to give him a go because of where i believed he was trying to take us, so when a bad performance came in similar to your 10 nil deafeat i still found something to be positive about.
i'm not Risso, i havent wanted every mnanager out over the last few years, and have always been extremely supportive of Randy and the board, and still am, although i think they dropped a big bollock with Mcliesh
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Interesting and honest post, John. I understand where you're coming from, especially about the performances but unlike you, I have faith, not so much in Alex McLeish but more the people he's surrounded himself with. I'm convinced McDonald and Sid can make a Villa man out of McLeish, I also think McLeish would love to play better football and is humble enough to admit he still has a lot to learn.
After so many years of crap football at Villa Park, it's not going to change overnight but at least the right people are there in place and there is the will to improve. For that alone I think he deserves a chance.
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It might serve us better to support the team and try and encourage them to believe they can express themselves at home.
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I think anyone that's involved in the protest shouldn't go to Arsenal away in the FA Cup, or better still stay away from Villa Park. Your 'support' isn't welcome.
I'd love nothing better than Mcleish to stick two fingers up to them by winning the FA Cup.
you'd love it in North Korea, no protests there
Can a bunch of mardy wankers narked that a former Nose is in charge really be on the same platform as those that might wish to protest about human rights and so on?
I'd say no.
For me they can fuck off with their negative shite.
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Negative atmospheres breed negative performances. It's surely cannot that difficult a concept to grasp? I don't particularly mind what someone's opinion is for the vast majority of the week, but for the 90 minutes that the villa are playing, EVERYONE should be behind the team (and manager) looking for the same result. Protests, banners etc. do nothing to help that.
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If Villa were awful against Everton and were well beaten it might be more understandable after the game but beforehand is a terrible idea.
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Negative atmospheres breed negative performances. It's surely cannot that difficult a concept to grasp? I don't particularly mind what someone's opinion is for the vast majority of the week, but for the 90 minutes that the villa are playing, EVERYONE should be behind the team (and manager) looking for the same result. Protests, banners etc. do nothing to help that.
negative managers breed negative performances to
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Interesting and honest post, John. I understand where you're coming from, especially about the performances but unlike you, I have faith, not so much in Alex McLeish but more the people he's surrounded himself with. I'm convinced McDonald and Sid can make a Villa man out of McLeish, I also think McLeish would love to play better football and is humble enough to admit he still has a lot to learn.
After so many years of crap football at Villa Park, it's not going to change overnight but at least the right people are there in place and there is the will to improve. For that alone I think he deserves a chance.
it also shouldn't be a shock to anyone that we have played better away from home and quite poorly at home where we are asked to take the game to the opposition. These after all are mostly MON players, who were purchased to play a certain way. MON's preferred style didn't require you to be that technical and were built for the counter attack. When you lose Ash and Downing then it takes away from our ability to still play that way, which in my opinion a number of the current players still want to do. It will only be when McLeish has had a chance to weed out some of those players and bring in his own that we can truly judge him on his style. But we'll have to wait at least another season to see that come through.
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I've expressed my opinion of the manager before, so there's no point going over that, but what on earth do people think they're going to achieve by "marching" against him?
I'd like McLeish to prove his doubters (including me) wrong, but more than anything I want Villa to win football matches. In what way is marching going to help this happen? It won't, it will do the absolute opposite of souring things even more.
Do they think Randy's going to sack the manager based on this? Have they stopped to think how fucking stupid Blackburn fans look with the personal shite they throw at Steve Kean and their never ending sequence of protests and demos, and maybe reflect on the fact they're going to make us look the same?
I doubt it.
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I'm not a McLeish fan, not yet anyway, but protests against the manager are exactly what the Blackburn lot are doing wrong. The fault there are the owners, it's the owners they should be demanding to hear from and bring to account for their actions whilst totally supporting their manager and team. I think it's the same for us. We don't know what the board are planning, if anything, or what the longer term vision is. It's the board that we should be trying to bring to account, so if you have to protest about anything don't let McLeish be the target for a problem that he didn't create and isn't being backed over, demand answers from the board and put the pressure where it really should be!
UTV!
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Can you imagine the conversations that are happening behind the scenes amongst the organisers? In fact, they are probably not talking at all. Just grunting at each other, jumping up and down, scratching each other's nuts, before someone's torch lights yet another house on fire.
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Nonsense, Ozz. It's not for the good of the club it's for the good of his ego. These people are just tiresome attention seekers, it won't change anything they just want to be on SSN and to pretend they've got "passion".
Not an angle I considered it from, mainly as I had not even thought people would do it for their own end. Each to their own I guess.
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Can you imagine the conversations that are happening behind the scenes amongst the organisers? In fact, they are probably not talking at all. Just grunting at each other, jumping up and down, scratching each other's nuts, before someone's torch lights yet another house on fire.
I very likely scenario, if there is actually more than one 'organiser'!
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Forget the Aston Revolutionary Front. ARF ARF. for now. They have been reading the news (Sun) and think they are creating the Aston Spring.
Cors, if things do not improve I will also be filling me beer bottles with unleaded and building barricades accross Witton Lane. Kick the Scots out I will shout. Splitters.
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Release the Bedsheet Four!!
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Poor timing for this I agree. Factor in the likely absence of our owner it just seems a bit futile.
We protested before he was appointed and it made no difference, they are hardly likely to ditch him now. Come June and a crushing lack of season ticket sales and/or championship football and things might be different.
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Agree. It is just to early and does not have enough support. I appreciate that they (we) are concerned but not yet. We have no choice but to give the bloke a chance and Bloody Hell - Villa Fans have largely been forgiving and patient this season when others would not have been.
But. Problem is now worse as many are indifferent and bored.
A few more poor, negative performances with little fight. Relegation a real possibility and I am afraid we will all be calling for his head. Randy will be close behind.
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Negative atmospheres breed negative performances. It's surely cannot that difficult a concept to grasp? I don't particularly mind what someone's opinion is for the vast majority of the week, but for the 90 minutes that the villa are playing, EVERYONE should be behind the team (and manager) looking for the same result. Protests, banners etc. do nothing to help that.
I tend to agree Ger.
But sometimes a situation is so unacceptable that supporters (and regardless of individual opinions I think that applies to most at VP) have to use one of the few channels open to them to effect/ call for change.
Most are underwhelmed by the football served up on a fairly consistent basis under McLeish. And it's pretty much in keeping with what we were led to expect based on his previous.
But we are not in unacceptable/ job is under threat territory yet as far as league position is concerned. So protests and the like are far too premature and will just make us look like tits.
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But we are not in unacceptable/ job is under threat territory yet as far as league position is concerned. So protests and the like are far too premature and will just make us look like tits.
You get the impression that some people have impatiently been counting the defeats, hoping that a protest soon could be warranted. As we are still placed a comfortable distance from the relegation zone, they've run out of patience and launched a premature protest. They couldn't wait any longer for having a go at Big Eck.
The performances and results so far under McLeish have provided little cause for enthusiasm. But at the same time, we are a long way from the kind of footballing disaster that merits a protest.
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Spot on, Eigentor.
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Can you imagine the conversations that are happening behind the scenes amongst the organisers? In fact, they are probably not talking at all. Just grunting at each other, jumping up and down, scratching each other's nuts, before someone's torch lights yet another house on fire.
Interesting comment..................................... you seem to know alot about the meeting?
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Can you imagine the conversations that are happening behind the scenes amongst the organisers? In fact, they are probably not talking at all. Just grunting at each other, jumping up and down, scratching each other's nuts, before someone's torch lights yet another house on fire.
Interesting comment..................................... you seem to know alot about the meeting?
He's a teacher at the Special School.
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What a bunch of embarassing morons.
Or............. have they got a point!!!!!!!! apparently the word on the street amongst the people is that the protest has been arranged by a "moderator" has someone gone undercover on here......after all that has been said against comments made by fans like myself.......
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Can you imagine the conversations that are happening behind the scenes amongst the organisers? In fact, they are probably not talking at all. Just grunting at each other, jumping up and down, scratching each other's nuts, before someone's torch lights yet another house on fire.
Interesting comment..................................... you seem to know alot about the meeting?
He's a teacher at the Special School.
Commonly known as "small heath" the ex head was AM......... (boooooooo) !!!!!!
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What a bunch of embarassing morons.
Or............. have they got a point!!!!!!!! apparently the word on the street amongst the people is that the protest has been arranged by a "moderator" has someone gone undercover on here......after all that has been said against comments made by fans like myself.......
Instead of bunching all your full stops together randomly, why not try placing them at the appropriate points within the paragraph.
As it stands, your posts force me to read them several times to understand them, only to find that it's been a total and utter waste of my fucking time.
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What a bunch of embarassing morons.
Or............. have they got a point!!!!!!!! apparently the word on the street amongst the people is that the protest has been arranged by a "moderator" has someone gone undercover on here......after all that has been said against comments made by fans like myself.......
what ........................... are you ........... on about?
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What a bunch of embarassing morons.
Or............. have they got a point!!!!!!!! apparently the word on the street amongst the people is that the protest has been arranged by a "moderator" has someone gone undercover on here......after all that has been said against comments made by fans like myself.......
what ........................... are you ........... on about?
You forgot the !!!!!!!!!!
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What a bunch of embarassing morons.
Or............. have they got a point!!!!!!!! apparently the word on the street amongst the people is that the protest has been arranged by a "moderator" has someone gone undercover on here......after all that has been said against comments made by fans like myself.......
So the thing is being organised by the head of the Scottish Presbyterian Church?
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!!!!! .................... " the word on the street amongst the people"
There are people involved. People. Well that's alright then. It is really beginning to sound like the French Revolution. Let me know when the stage musical comes out will you.
As if I wasn't worried before that any exposure of this lot would embarrass Villa fans, now Mr. Sherlock Shakespeare turns up.
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There is nothing 'moderate' about the actions of these idiots.
And 'word of the street'?? You are Huggy Bear and I claim my £5.
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They might just do a "Where's Sherlock St"? And not be able to find Villa Park.
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While I would never normally criticise other fans for getting up off their arse and standing up for things they believe in (however misguided), all this protest will do is reinforce the mistaken belief that McLeish is not wanted because of his past association with Blues. I'd save any anger for the man who has completely buggered things up, Randy Lerner. It doesn't really matter who is in charge until Lerner sells, although we obviously stand a better chance of getting relegated with McLeish in charge.
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While I would never normally criticise other fans for getting up off their arse and standing up for things they believe in (however misguided), all this protest will do is reinforce the mistaken belief that McLeish is not wanted because of his past association with Blues. I'd save any anger for the man who has completely buggered things up, Randy Lerner. It doesn't really matter who is in charge until Lerner sells, although we obviously stand a better chance of getting relegated with McLeish in charge.
Yes, Lerner. Bugger off and take all that money you've invested with you. How dare you give it managers to buy players with.
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What a bunch of embarassing morons.
Or............. have they got a point!!!!!!!! apparently the word on the street amongst the people is that the protest has been arranged by a "moderator" has someone gone undercover on here......after all that has been said against comments made by fans like myself.......
Instead of bunching all your full stops together randomly, why not try placing them at the appropriate points within the paragraph.
As it stands, your posts force me to read them several times to understand them, only to find that it's been a total and utter waste of my fucking time.
*snigger*
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While I would never normally criticise other fans for getting up off their arse and standing up for things they believe in (however misguided), all this protest will do is reinforce the mistaken belief that McLeish is not wanted because of his past association with Blues. I'd save any anger for the man who has completely buggered things up, Randy Lerner. It doesn't really matter who is in charge until Lerner sells, although we obviously stand a better chance of getting relegated with McLeish in charge.
Yes, Lerner. Bugger off and take all that money you've invested with you. How dare you give it managers to buy players with.
How quaint. No wonder you think Lerner's doing a good job if that's the sum total of your understanding of the situation. I expected more if I'm honest.
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Lerner has undone all of his own hard work with this appointment. I like McLeish, but why piss off the majority of your customers? Thought he was supposed to be a business man?
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While I would never normally criticise other fans for getting up off their arse and standing up for things they believe in (however misguided), all this protest will do is reinforce the mistaken belief that McLeish is not wanted because of his past association with Blues. I'd save any anger for the man who has completely buggered things up, Randy Lerner. It doesn't really matter who is in charge until Lerner sells, although we obviously stand a better chance of getting relegated with McLeish in charge.
Yes, Lerner. Bugger off and take all that money you've invested with you. How dare you give it managers to buy players with.
How quaint. No wonder you think Lerner's doing a good job if that's the sum total of your understanding of the situation. I expected more if I'm honest.
The "sum total of my understanding of the situation" covers a lot more than looking at a few figures and forming an opinion based on my own prejudice. It includes such things as talking to experts in this field, asking questions of relevant parties, and, on the whole, being satisfied with the explanations given.
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I can't say i was thrilled with his choice of manager either but after the amount of money he's put into this club, wanting him to sell up sounds a little bit on the ungrateful side.
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What a bunch of embarassing morons.
Or............. have they got a point!!!!!!!! apparently the word on the street amongst the people is that the protest has been arranged by a "moderator" has someone gone undercover on here......after all that has been said against comments made by fans like myself.......
Nope. Embarrassing morons describes it nicely.
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Any footage of this 'protest' should have Duelling Banjos as the soundtrack.
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Ffs they better not get in the way of my ritual of a pre-match lap of the stadium.
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Where am I selling, Dave? I can't wait to have a good laugh.
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Where am I selling, Dave? I can't wait to have a good laugh.
Trinity Road, probably
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Oh, please, please, please, please, please...
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can we add a poll to this thread?
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Options?
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You get the impression that some people have impatiently been counting the defeats, hoping that a protest soon could be warranted. As we are still placed a comfortable distance from the relegation zone, they've run out of patience and launched a premature protest. They couldn't wait any longer for having a go at Big Eck.
The performances and results so far under McLeish have provided little cause for enthusiasm. But at the same time, we are a long way from the kind of footballing disaster that merits a protest.
Yes. The timing's very odd. If we'd been beaten in the FA Cup last weekend and just sold a key player in the transfer window, you'd expect something like this, but actually, performances and results have been reasonably encouraging (Swansea aside) since the Liverpool game.
I retain my doubts over McLeish but I'm satisfied with how the team have done in the last few weeks and don't really understand the need for a protest, or what would be gained from it, other than creating the wrong kind of atmosphere, particularly before a winnable home game where a new signing (albeit a short term loan) is likely to make a debut.
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will a protest have a/ a positive effect on the club
b/ a negative effect on the club
c/ no effect
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Are we still discussing these quacking shits? Can't someone delete the thread, they don't deserve the publicity.
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d/ will they sing about small heath a lot? Despite his previous connections having no effect on their dislike of him, no siree Bob.
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e) will they completely ignore the fact that managers were hardly queuing up down Trinity Road to take the job in the first place?
These are the same plums who thought we could tempt Mourinho to B6. Roberto Martinez turned us down FFS.
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e) will they completely ignore the fact that managers were hardly queuing up down Trinity Road to take the job in the first place?
These are the same plums who thought we could tempt Mourinho to B6. Roberto Martinez turned us down FFS.
I don't remember Martinez being offered the job?
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Options?
1) Down with this sort of thing
2) Careful now
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Are we still discussing these quacking shits? Can't someone delete the thread, they don't deserve the publicity.
It's a valid point but I like to think of threads such as this as a virtual pillory where the virtual townspeople get to throw virtual rotten fuit and veg at an actual idiot.
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Options?
1) Down with this sort of thing
2) Careful now
I'd go with are the protesters:-
a) blithering idiots?
b) blithering fucking idiots?
c) blitheringly stupid fucking idiots?
d) actually, it's just Dazzyg!
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e) will they completely ignore the fact that managers were hardly queuing up down Trinity Road to take the job in the first place?
These are the same plums who thought we could tempt Mourinho to B6. Roberto Martinez turned us down FFS.
I don't remember Martinez being offered the job?
OK, he wouldn't even talk to us, which is bad enough.
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Options?
1) Down with this sort of thing
2) Careful now
I'd go with are the protesters:-
a) blithering idiots?
b) blithering fucking idiots?
c) blitheringly stupid fucking idiots?
d) actually, it's just Dazzyg!
You've reminded me of a Spitting Image sketch they did after Jimmy Savile was knighted:
"I have a letter here from a young lady who writes "'Dear Jim, now that you have been honoured by the queen, could you please tell me what is the correct form of address for you. Is it Sir Jim, Sir Jimmy, Sir James or You Sad Man?'"
*tangent*
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Just a thought but as regards the timing of the protest, could it be that as much as the people doing this hate McLeish, they don't actually think we will slip much further down the table. So they feel they must protest now before things improve. It's a bizarre thought but it has crossed my mind given the mentality I reckon the people involved have.
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An anti-protest protest would confuse the shit out of these half-wits. Watch them do their march but slow clap them along the route singing "loyal supporters".
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KRS i must protest about you protesting against the protesters
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While I would never normally criticise other fans for getting up off their arse and standing up for things they believe in (however misguided), all this protest will do is reinforce the mistaken belief that McLeish is not wanted because of his past association with Blues. I'd save any anger for the man who has completely buggered things up, Randy Lerner. It doesn't really matter who is in charge until Lerner sells, although we obviously stand a better chance of getting relegated with McLeish in charge.
Yes, Lerner. Bugger off and take all that money you've invested with you. How dare you give it managers to buy players with.
How quaint. No wonder you think Lerner's doing a good job if that's the sum total of your understanding of the situation. I expected more if I'm honest.
The "sum total of my understanding of the situation" covers a lot more than looking at a few figures and forming an opinion based on my own prejudice. It includes such things as talking to experts in this field, asking questions of relevant parties, and, on the whole, being satisfied with the explanations given.
Experts like Paul Faulkner I assume. And what view did these "experts" give? That everything is going swimmingly?
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Anyone who protest is an arse clown plain and simple
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While I would never normally criticise other fans for getting up off their arse and standing up for things they believe in (however misguided), all this protest will do is reinforce the mistaken belief that McLeish is not wanted because of his past association with Blues. I'd save any anger for the man who has completely buggered things up, Randy Lerner. It doesn't really matter who is in charge until Lerner sells, although we obviously stand a better chance of getting relegated with McLeish in charge.
Yes, Lerner. Bugger off and take all that money you've invested with you. How dare you give it managers to buy players with.
How quaint. No wonder you think Lerner's doing a good job if that's the sum total of your understanding of the situation. I expected more if I'm honest.
The "sum total of my understanding of the situation" covers a lot more than looking at a few figures and forming an opinion based on my own prejudice. It includes such things as talking to experts in this field, asking questions of relevant parties, and, on the whole, being satisfied with the explanations given.
Experts like Paul Faulkner I assume. And what view did these "experts" give? That everything is going swimmingly?
No, experts such as accountants, football journalists specialising in the business side of the game, activists in supporter groups. Those sort of experts. They tend to agree that things could be better, but they could be a lot worse.
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While I would never normally criticise other fans for getting up off their arse and standing up for things they believe in (however misguided), all this protest will do is reinforce the mistaken belief that McLeish is not wanted because of his past association with Blues. I'd save any anger for the man who has completely buggered things up, Randy Lerner. It doesn't really matter who is in charge until Lerner sells, although we obviously stand a better chance of getting relegated with McLeish in charge.
Yes, Lerner. Bugger off and take all that money you've invested with you. How dare you give it managers to buy players with.
How quaint. No wonder you think Lerner's doing a good job if that's the sum total of your understanding of the situation. I expected more if I'm honest.
The "sum total of my understanding of the situation" covers a lot more than looking at a few figures and forming an opinion based on my own prejudice. It includes such things as talking to experts in this field, asking questions of relevant parties, and, on the whole, being satisfied with the explanations given.
Experts like Paul Faulkner I assume. And what view did these "experts" give? That everything is going swimmingly?
No, experts such as accountants, football journalists specialising in the business side of the game, activists in supporter groups. Those sort of experts. They tend to agree that things could be better, but they could be a lot worse.
Remove the parts about football from the above statement and you could get a job as a PR guru for David Cameron.
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While I would never normally criticise other fans for getting up off their arse and standing up for things they believe in (however misguided), all this protest will do is reinforce the mistaken belief that McLeish is not wanted because of his past association with Blues. I'd save any anger for the man who has completely buggered things up, Randy Lerner. It doesn't really matter who is in charge until Lerner sells, although we obviously stand a better chance of getting relegated with McLeish in charge.
Yes, Lerner. Bugger off and take all that money you've invested with you. How dare you give it managers to buy players with.
How quaint. No wonder you think Lerner's doing a good job if that's the sum total of your understanding of the situation. I expected more if I'm honest.
The "sum total of my understanding of the situation" covers a lot more than looking at a few figures and forming an opinion based on my own prejudice. It includes such things as talking to experts in this field, asking questions of relevant parties, and, on the whole, being satisfied with the explanations given.
Experts like Paul Faulkner I assume. And what view did these "experts" give? That everything is going swimmingly?
No, experts such as accountants, football journalists specialising in the business side of the game, activists in supporter groups. Those sort of experts. They tend to agree that things could be better, but they could be a lot worse.
I must say Dave, you're so far up their arses you hardly offer an objective opinion.
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Risso is right.
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While I would never normally criticise other fans for getting up off their arse and standing up for things they believe in (however misguided), all this protest will do is reinforce the mistaken belief that McLeish is not wanted because of his past association with Blues. I'd save any anger for the man who has completely buggered things up, Randy Lerner. It doesn't really matter who is in charge until Lerner sells, although we obviously stand a better chance of getting relegated with McLeish in charge.
Yes, Lerner. Bugger off and take all that money you've invested with you. How dare you give it managers to buy players with.
How quaint. No wonder you think Lerner's doing a good job if that's the sum total of your understanding of the situation. I expected more if I'm honest.
The "sum total of my understanding of the situation" covers a lot more than looking at a few figures and forming an opinion based on my own prejudice. It includes such things as talking to experts in this field, asking questions of relevant parties, and, on the whole, being satisfied with the explanations given.
Experts like Paul Faulkner I assume. And what view did these "experts" give? That everything is going swimmingly?
No, experts such as accountants, football journalists specialising in the business side of the game, activists in supporter groups. Those sort of experts. They tend to agree that things could be better, but they could be a lot worse.
I must say Dave, you're so far up their arses you hardly offer an objective opinion.
You put an argument across based on knowledge you've bothered to obtain, and you're "up their arses." Thank you for that contribution to the debate
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To be fair, you haven't offered any evidence... you've just said "I've spoken to some people." That's not fact, it's just you name dropping... except without the names.
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It's not name dropping at all - over the years, since Randy first arrived (when, if anyone cares to remember, I was more cautious than most) I've spoken to a lot of people who know a lot more about this type of deal than I do, as after all it is part of my work. For example the Guardian's David Conn, my own accountant who is also a Villa supporter, Peter Warrilow (Supporters Trust chair and retired bank manager), others at Supporters Direct and the FSF. They all tend to the belief that Lerner's time as owner has been on the whole positive and those who have asked have been reassured that the debt side offers no cause for concern. While there's no proof of the latter, there comes a time when you have to accept someone's word and nothing they've done so far would indicate otherwise.
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No one is denying that RL's first 5 years have been positive. However the tide has without a doubt turned. At what point do we accept that the policy of the club has become negative? Certainly the words and actions of the club's management seem to be travelling in opposite directions, even to the casual observer. I personally am of the opinion that the club needs to be held steady at this difficult time, this includes keeping the manager and supporting the board..
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I agree with you, and I've never said any different except that I would rather wait to see what next summer brings than panic now.
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Who's panicking? Other than Stephen Warnock with the sun in his eyes? ;)
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Panic might not be the right word. 'Protest' then.
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And so we return... to the beginning of the thread. Poetic, eh?
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If the debt offers no real cause for concern just what the hell is Lerner playing at? He's risking our Premier League status with his antics over the last 18 months. We've gone from perennial top 6 contenders to relegation battlers in less than 2 years, and it seems that Lerner has no plans to stop he slump. In fact it looks like he's gonna continue his disinvestment of his money.
Is it any wonder why so many fans have turned on him when he looks so disinterested in the club these days? Dave, we realise you speak to people who are closer to things than we'll ever be, but why don't you seem as worried as the rest of us? To me the club looks like a car crash at the moment.
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One tries one's best.
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If the debt offers no real cause for concern just what the hell is Lerner playing at? He's risking our Premier League status with his antics over the last 18 months. We've gone from perennial top 6 contenders to relegation battlers in less than 2 years, and it seems that Lerner has no plans to stop he slump. In fact it looks like he's gonna continue his disinvestment of his money.
Is it any wonder why so many fans have turned on him when he looks so disinterested in the club these days? Dave, we realise you speak to people who are closer to things than we'll ever be, but why don't you seem as worried as the rest of us? To me the club looks like a car crash at the moment.
Debt is a concern because RL basically owes himself £150 odd million quid, and he ain't going home until he gets it back. This is our real worry, and is why we aren't spending more than less than the gate money on players.
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Risso is right.
No he isnt
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I think we have experienced the football merry go round over the years.
I see a couple futures for the present management
1. Things go completely to rat shit and we get relegated (manager sacked)
2. We survive just and start next season just as poorly (manager get sacked after a short period and we go into panic mode and another season of 'Transition')
3. AM starts to improve things and we become established ad a mid to top mid table club (manager continues in post until either he resigns or get sacked after an undetermined period)
4. Villa have a massive recovery and suddenly become the best in the land win the league and live happily ever after... (AM has a statue alongside Mr M outside the Trinity Road Stand
Which way will we go?
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If the debt offers no real cause for concern just what the hell is Lerner playing at? He's risking our Premier League status with his antics over the last 18 months. We've gone from perennial top 6 contenders to relegation battlers in less than 2 years, and it seems that Lerner has no plans to stop he slump. In fact it looks like he's gonna continue his disinvestment of his money.
Is it any wonder why so many fans have turned on him when he looks so disinterested in the club these days? Dave, we realise you speak to people who are closer to things than we'll ever be, but why don't you seem as worried as the rest of us? To me the club looks like a car crash at the moment.
Debt is a concern because RL basically owes himself £150 odd million quid, and he ain't going home until he gets it back. Thisis our real worry,and s why we aren't spending more than less than the gate money on players.
I worry that he's been listening to people who claim our youth team are the saviours of the club, are superstars in the making, and we can achieve the same kind of relative success as we had under O'Neill at a fraction of the cost.
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HDE summed the Villa conundrum up perfectly. I paraphrase... " I can spend 5M on Villa and come 6th, or I can suspend £50M on Villa and still come 6th." The old bastard had a point.
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If the debt offers no real cause for concern just what the hell is Lerner playing at? He's risking our Premier League status with his antics over the last 18 months. We've gone from perennial top 6 contenders to relegation battlers in less than 2 years, and it seems that Lerner has no plans to stop he slump. In fact it looks like he's gonna continue his disinvestment of his money.
Is it any wonder why so many fans have turned on him when he looks so disinterested in the club these days? Dave, we realise you speak to people who are closer to things than we'll ever be, but why don't you seem as worried as the rest of us? To me the club looks like a car crash at the moment.
Debt is a concern because RL basically owes himself £150 odd million quid, and he ain't going home until he gets it back. This is our real worry, and is why we aren't spending more than less than the gate money on players.
I don't think Randy is going anywhere in the short-medium term (although as someone said, everything is for sale at the right price) and I also think a few clubs in a similar position to us are looking to see what happens, particularly with regards to wages. I'm not worried because there's slightly less than nothing I can do about it.
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If the debt offers no real cause for concern just what the hell is Lerner playing at? He's risking our Premier League status with his antics over the last 18 months. We've gone from perennial top 6 contenders to relegation battlers in less than 2 years, and it seems that Lerner has no plans to stop he slump. In fact it looks like he's gonna continue his disinvestment of his money.
Is it any wonder why so many fans have turned on him when he looks so disinterested in the club these days? Dave, we realise you speak to people who are closer to things than we'll ever be, but why don't you seem as worried as the rest of us? To me the club looks like a car crash at the moment.
Debt is a concern because RL basically owes himself £150 odd million quid, and he ain't going home until he gets it back. This is our real worry, and is why we aren't spending more than less than the gate money on players.
I don't think Randy is going anywhere in the short-medium term (although as someone said, everything is for sale at the right price) and I also think a few clubs in a similar position to us are looking to see what happens, particularly with regards to wages. I'm not worried because there's slightly less than nothing I can do about it.
Oh come on Dave, we worry about the Villa. That's what football fans do.
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If the debt offers no real cause for concern just what the hell is Lerner playing at? He's risking our Premier League status with his antics over the last 18 months. We've gone from perennial top 6 contenders to relegation battlers in less than 2 years, and it seems that Lerner has no plans to stop he slump. In fact it looks like he's gonna continue his disinvestment of his money.
Is it any wonder why so many fans have turned on him when he looks so disinterested in the club these days? Dave, we realise you speak to people who are closer to things than we'll ever be, but why don't you seem as worried as the rest of us? To me the club looks like a car crash at the moment.
Debt is a concern because RL basically owes himself £150 odd million quid, and he ain't going home until he gets it back. This is our real worry, and is why we aren't spending more than less than the gate money on players.
I don't think Randy is going anywhere in the short-medium term (although as someone said, everything is for sale at the right price) and I also think a few clubs in a similar position to us are looking to see what happens, particularly with regards to wages. I'm not worried because there's slightly less than nothing I can do about it.
Oh come on Dave, we worry about the Villa. That's what football fans do.
I must be getting old. Or as with many things, extremes have been pushed to such limits now that what used to be worry is now perceived as mild concern.
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If the debt offers no real cause for concern just what the hell is Lerner playing at? He's risking our Premier League status with his antics over the last 18 months. We've gone from perennial top 6 contenders to relegation battlers in less than 2 years, and it seems that Lerner has no plans to stop he slump. In fact it looks like he's gonna continue his disinvestment of his money.
Is it any wonder why so many fans have turned on him when he looks so disinterested in the club these days? Dave, we realise you speak to people who are closer to things than we'll ever be, but why don't you seem as worried as the rest of us? To me the club looks like a car crash at the moment.
Debt is a concern because RL basically owes himself £150 odd million quid, and he ain't going home until he gets it back. This is our real worry, and is why we aren't spending more than less than the gate money on players.
I don't think Randy is going anywhere in the short-medium term (although as someone said, everything is for sale at the right price) and I also think a few clubs in a similar position to us are looking to see what happens, particularly with regards to wages. I'm not worried because there's slightly less than nothing I can do about it.
The thing that most struck me about RL when he first came was that he said he was only a custodian of the club, and that he was only holding it for others to follow (or words to that effect). I firmly believe that he feels he's taken us as far as he can, and that he's waiting to pass us on to another custodian.
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If the debt offers no real cause for concern just what the hell is Lerner playing at? He's risking our Premier League status with his antics over the last 18 months. We've gone from perennial top 6 contenders to relegation battlers in less than 2 years, and it seems that Lerner has no plans to stop he slump. In fact it looks like he's gonna continue his disinvestment of his money.
Is it any wonder why so many fans have turned on him when he looks so disinterested in the club these days? Dave, we realise you speak to people who are closer to things than we'll ever be, but why don't you seem as worried as the rest of us? To me the club looks like a car crash at the moment.
Debt is a concern because RL basically owes himself £150 odd million quid, and he ain't going home until he gets it back. This is our real worry, and is why we aren't spending more than less than the gate money on players.
I don't think Randy is going anywhere in the short-medium term (although as someone said, everything is for sale at the right price) and I also think a few clubs in a similar position to us are looking to see what happens, particularly with regards to wages. I'm not worried because there's slightly less than nothing I can do about it.
Oh come on Dave, we worry about the Villa. That's what football fans do.
I must be getting old. Or as with many things, extremes have been pushed to such limits now that what used to be worry is now perceived as mild concern.
Surely you're "mildly concerned" about our predicament at the moment then? I only ask because we do seem to be in the shit yet you don't seem to be quite as worried as the rest of us.
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I don't know what's going to happen but I don't think we're in the shit. We're mid-table and that's where we'll probably stay.
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I don't know what's going to happen but I don't think we're in the shit. We're mid-table and that's where we'll probably stay.
We'll find out in May.
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I don't know what's going to happen but I don't think we're in the shit. We're mid-table and that's where we'll probably stay.
Are you happy with that?
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Surely you're "mildly concerned" about our predicament at the moment then? I only ask because we do seem to be in the shit yet you don't seem to be quite as worried as the rest of us.
I'm quite happy to say that I'm not even 'mildly concerned' about our predicament.
I don't really see us as being in a predicament. Or 'in the shit'.
We're muddling along, winning some games and feeling good. Losing some others and feeling a bit irritated. Then getting over it. Likes we have been doing pretty much ever since I starting supporting the club.
When we were third this time a couple of years back I didn't expect us to really do any better than we eventually did and I don't really expect us to do much this year. Or next year. Whether it happens to be McLeish managing and Randy in charge or two other people.
'Twas ever thus.
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I don't know what's going to happen but I don't think we're in the shit. We're mid-table and that's where we'll probably stay.
Are you happy with that?
Long-term no. For this season, yes.
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I was more worried last season under Houllier to be honest.
Give it another few weeks and I could be back in the pits of despair and predicting certain relegation....but not just yet.
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If the debt offers no real cause for concern just what the hell is Lerner playing at? He's risking our Premier League status with his antics over the last 18 months. We've gone from perennial top 6 contenders to relegation battlers in less than 2 years, and it seems that Lerner has no plans to stop he slump. In fact it looks like he's gonna continue his disinvestment of his money.
Is it any wonder why so many fans have turned on him when he looks so disinterested in the club these days? Dave, we realise you speak to people who are closer to things than we'll ever be, but why don't you seem as worried as the rest of us? To me the club looks like a car crash at the moment.
I have to say, I agree with you.
More than anything, he's really pissing away what he's built with his investment over the first four years of his tenure. The frightening thing is that I think he is totally unaware of this, and thinks things are going really well.
The whole McLeish thing has been done to death, but regardless of the rights or wrongs of the appointment, I struggle to think of anything he could have done in the summer which would have deflated the club more.
He should have built on the progress made at the end by Houllier, and treated last year as a blip. Instead he made the most divisive appointment he could have, and then went on an economy drive.
Oh, and this was coupled with selling our better players and not replacing them, and not bothering to come to matches any more. No wonder people feel disheartened
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Risso is right.
No he isnt
Let him think he is. He will be happier then.
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Have to agree with those who think a protest against Lerner is a more viable proposition and frankly this protest is just the anti-blose lot who've been quietly festering resentment about AM ever since he arrived. AM is doing ok i guess considering he had about a minus 15m budget in the summer. Like most people i have major doubts about his style of football and coaching ability but whereas with MON you could legitimately moan at the rubbish football because of his spending, with AM the question remains if he's sacked, who's gonna take over who's gonna improve the football? You really can't expect any manager to play champagne football with the likes of Dunne, Ivanhoe, Hutton Collins and Warnock lodged in the side. Houllier couldn't manage it and managed to upset the old hoof! guard in the process and thats the fundamental problem - if the chairman won't cough up the dough to replace them because he was screwed financially by a previous manager then changing the managers isn't going to do much really. Barring a miracle from the youth team we can only hope long term that Lerner starts spending or buggers off and sells to someone who can afford to run a big premiership team.
Still think AM's appointment will all end in tears though.....
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A protest against RL is nonsense. We couldn't have asked more from over the past few years. We should be waving banners praising him to the heavens if truth be known.
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I don't know what's going to happen but I don't think we're in the shit. We're mid-table and that's where we'll probably stay.
Are you happy with that?
Long-term no. For this season, yes.
Agreed. Mid-table mediocrity is OK for this season. Villa don't have the squad to do any better at the moment. Changing the manager isn't going to alter that.
The Manager should have this season at least to see what he can do.
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A protest against RL is nonsense. We couldn't have asked more from over the past few years. We should be waving banners praising him to the heavens if truth be known.
yeah, how we've moved on from the times of Doug where we couldn't buy anyone, sold all our best players and only brought in loan players.....
oh.
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A protest against RL is nonsense. We couldn't have asked more from over the past few years. We should be waving banners praising him to the heavens if truth be known.
yeah, how we've moved on from the times of Doug where we couldn't buy anyone, sold all our best players and only brought in loan players.....
oh.
Rubbish. RL has put his heart and soul into this club since he took over. Get out of your armchair occasionally and you might catch a glimpse.
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A protest against RL is nonsense. We couldn't have asked more from over the past few years. We should be waving banners praising him to the heavens if truth be known.
yeah, how we've moved on from the times of Doug where we couldn't buy anyone, sold all our best players and only brought in loan players.....
oh.
Rubbish. RL has put his heart and soul into this club since he took over. Get out of your arm chair occasionally and you might catch a glimpse.
well you're entitled to your opinion but as far as i'm concerned the whole RL/MON period might as well not have happened. We're stuck back where we started before he took over under Doug and DOL. Skint, fearing relegation and with an actually smaller squad than back then. Oh but we have a shiny new pub that no-one uses, so thats something.
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A protest against RL is nonsense. We couldn't have asked more from over the past few years. We should be waving banners praising him to the heavens if truth be known.
yeah, how we've moved on from the times of Doug where we couldn't buy anyone, sold all our best players and only brought in loan players.....
oh.
Rubbish. RL has put his heart and soul into this club since he took over. Get out of your armchair occasionally and you might catch a glimpse.
His heart and soul ain't in it at the moment, that's for sure.
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Big difference between Ellis and Lerner.
The former addressed us at an AGM every year and answered our questions.
The latter bought our shares off us.
Discuss.
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A protest against RL is nonsense. We couldn't have asked more from over the past few years. We should be waving banners praising him to the heavens if truth be known.
yeah, how we've moved on from the times of Doug where we couldn't buy anyone, sold all our best players and only brought in loan players.....
oh.
Rubbish. RL has put his heart and soul into this club since he took over. Get out of your arm chair occasionally and you might catch a glimpse.
well you're entitled to your opinion but as far as i'm concerned the whole RL/MON period might as well not have happened. We're stuck back where we started before he took over under Doug and DOL. Skint, fearing relegation and with an actually smaller squad than back then. Oh but we have a shiny new pub that no-one uses, so thats something.
Good for you Nash. You are a recumbent malcontent of old. And what do you mean by "we" exactly?
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Ungrateful as it seems, Lerner's big plus was his money. Now its gone or seems to be, then who wants an invisible Doug or Kenwright based in america? At least them too are/were there day to day and know whats going on. I doubt the Houllier vs player thing would have got a hold if he wasn't MIA all the time
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So what's your suggested 'solution' to the problem Greg?
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Unfortunately, there is a fair amount of truth in what Greg says.
We are skint, we will be mooking around the arse end of the table, and the squad is far too small.
That's probably not what anyone expected for year five of proud history, bright future.
For all the money Randy put in, which he's trying to claw back and which we onow we him, he has managed the growth of the club so badly that we've regressed.
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Ungrateful as it seems, Lerner's big plus was his money. Now its gone or seems to be, then who wants an invisible Doug or Kenwright based in america? At least them too are/were there day to day and know whats going on. I doubt the Houllier vs player thing would have got a hold if he wasn't MIA all the time
I can't even be bothered to debate with you. Every post you ever submit is an excuse for not going down.
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A protest against RL is nonsense. We couldn't have asked more from over the past few years. We should be waving banners praising him to the heavens if truth be known.
yeah, how we've moved on from the times of Doug where we couldn't buy anyone, sold all our best players and only brought in loan players.....
oh.
Rubbish. RL has put his heart and soul into this club since he took over. Get out of your arm chair occasionally and you might catch a glimpse.
well you're entitled to your opinion but as far as i'm concerned the whole RL/MON period might as well not have happened. We're stuck back where we started before he took over under Doug and DOL. Skint, fearing relegation and with an actually smaller squad than back then. Oh but we have a shiny new pub that no-one uses, so thats something.
Good for you Nash. You are a recumbent malcontent of old. And what do you mean by "we" exactly?
meh. either argue your case or don't bother. Haven't got the patience for the "better fan than yow" schick. How exactly are we better off now than before Doug left.?
pub
free coach trip
erm....
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Ungrateful as it seems, Lerner's big plus was his money. Now its gone or seems to be, then who wants an invisible Doug or Kenwright based in america? At least them too are/were there day to day and know whats going on. I doubt the Houllier vs player thing would have got a hold if he wasn't MIA all the time
I can't even be bothered to debate with you. Every post you ever submit is an excuse for not going down.
How is that post an excuse for not going down?
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We took a chance, didn't get there and are still dealing with the blow-out.
Had we kept going we could have ended up in an even worse position where we had to sell players, as opposed to just not bringing any new ones without selling first that we're seeing now.
It's difficult because the Club seemed to look toward a new approach in the short term, while still balancing the books, with the Ajax quote and Houllier's appointment. Then when that needed changing we reverted to type and are going to get a few years of mediocrity served up until we're ready to challenge again.
Our chance will come. I reckon Randy's intention is for us to spend big again, we've just got to bide our time.
A bit of clever investment and we're in Newcastle's position. That is the time when we really invest to push on again.
I doubt Newcastle will do that, in 18 months they'll be back to midtable mediocrity without Cabaye, Tiote and Ba.
Randy has proven he'll back our managers when he's able to.
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I'm very disappointed in where we are at this stage of Randy's ownership, but at the same time am not ready to write him off after 2 disappointing seasons. He has more credit in the bank with me than that. Another year or two of this though and my opinion may well change.
Besides, i'd rather be broke and midtable in the top flight than be broke and midtable in the Championship (or worse) which is where I think we'd have ended up under Doug.
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So what's your suggested 'solution' to the problem Greg?
To be honest Dave, I haven't the foggiest.
New rich owner - seems unlikely as Lerner has apparently no plans to sell.
Build a good squad with the youth team products - again seems unlikely they're all turn into top players.
Hope Lerner changes tack - possible if the economy improves but then we've got the big fair play problem to overcome or the "keep the richest clubs rich" clause as i call it.
No idea really
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Ungrateful as it seems, Lerner's big plus was his money. Now its gone or seems to be, then who wants an invisible Doug or Kenwright based in america? At least them too are/were there day to day and know whats going on. I doubt the Houllier vs player thing would have got a hold if he wasn't MIA all the time
I can't even be bothered to debate with you. Every post you ever submit is an excuse for not going down.
How is that post an excuse for not going down?
Read every other Greg Nash post over the past 5 years and you'll get the picture.
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While I would never normally criticise other fans for getting up off their arse and standing up for things they believe in (however misguided), all this protest will do is reinforce the mistaken belief that McLeish is not wanted because of his past association with Blues. I'd save any anger for the man who has completely buggered things up, Randy Lerner. It doesn't really matter who is in charge until Lerner sells, although we obviously stand a better chance of getting relegated with McLeish in charge.
Yes, Lerner. Bugger off and take all that money you've invested with you. How dare you give it managers to buy players with.
How quaint. No wonder you think Lerner's doing a good job if that's the sum total of your understanding of the situation. I expected more if I'm honest.
The "sum total of my understanding of the situation" covers a lot more than looking at a few figures and forming an opinion based on my own prejudice. It includes such things as talking to experts in this field, asking questions of relevant parties, and, on the whole, being satisfied with the explanations given.
Experts like Paul Faulkner I assume. And what view did these "experts" give? That everything is going swimmingly?
No, experts such as accountants, football journalists specialising in the business side of the game, activists in supporter groups. Those sort of experts. They tend to agree that things could be better, but they could be a lot worse.
I must say Dave, you're so far up their arses you hardly offer an objective opinion.
Sorry... that post was unfair. I retract.
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Ungrateful as it seems, Lerner's big plus was his money. Now its gone or seems to be, then who wants an invisible Doug or Kenwright based in america? At least them too are/were there day to day and know whats going on. I doubt the Houllier vs player thing would have got a hold if he wasn't MIA all the time
I can't even be bothered to debate with you. Every post you ever submit is an excuse for not going down.
How is that post an excuse for not going down?
Read every other Greg Nash post over the past 5 years and you'll get the picture.
I have. I'm talking about that one, though, as you said every post..
Looks to me like you engaged him in debate, ran out of answers then started saying "well, you just want excuses not to go".
There are plenty of posters here who rarely or never go, for whatever reason. Look at our attendances, there are plenty of Villa fans who don't go. They still have the right to an opinion.
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Ungrateful as it seems, Lerner's big plus was his money. Now its gone or seems to be, then who wants an invisible Doug or Kenwright based in america? At least them too are/were there day to day and know whats going on. I doubt the Houllier vs player thing would have got a hold if he wasn't MIA all the time
I can't even be bothered to debate with you. Every post you ever submit is an excuse for not going down.
How is that post an excuse for not going down?
Read every other Greg Nash post over the past 5 years and you'll get the picture.
I have. I'm talking about that one, though, as you said every post..
Looks to me like you engaged him in debate, ran out of answers then started saying "well, you just want excuses not to go".
There are plenty of posters here who rarely or never go, for whatever reason. Look at our attendances, there are plenty of Villa fans who don't go. They still have the right to an opinion.
Like I said, I can't be bothered to argue this one.
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The thing is, it didn't all come down to Randy. The entire board and the higher ups within the club thought it would be a bright idea to hire Alex freakin' McLeish. I don't know how anyone could think that would be a good move. How are the fans supposed to sing your name after you've gone and promoted the manager of a relegated rival. You sell the better half of our squad and tell us nothing except we have adopted a sell to buy policy. How are we pinching for pennies?!
I have always been a fan of Randy Lerner and not only admire his ability to manage sporting clubs (or lack there of) but also his success in his actual business. However, his lack of involvement and inability to attend games is unacceptable. Who was the last player to be met by Randy on the day they arrived? I wouldn't be surprised if some of our newer signings hadn't met Lerner until weeks later. He's invisible and it is impossible to shoot arrows at a target that doesn't exist.
We can harp on the past all we'd like. And there's no doubt in my mind that a midfield with the likes of Ashley, Milner, Barry and Dxwning could have competed with the elite for years. We had a manager that had finally formed a decent squad worth watching, yet his inability to meet his Champions League ultimatum saw all of the for-mentioned talent wither away.
Will we ever sing Randy's name again?
It's hard to support the Villa, because the Villa has become so distant from the hopes and dreams we had only a few years ago. It's now become a club of damage control. Instead of looking for players and managers alike that will help us challenge for top honors, we have instead began to ask ourselves, "Will he keep us up?" How has that even become an issue for us. We've witnessed a fall from a grace we just barely flirted with, and the pain is only getting worse.
Someone surely has to get something right along the way, no?
McLeish is a top bloke. He's got great character, thick skin and a will to win. But the simple fact is at this level of football, he's not a winner. We need a manager who can handle skilled and gritty opponents with his own creations. Any manager can pack it in and pray for a point. His inability to coordinate an offense at this point in the season really scares me. What scares me even more is that the type of players he is likely to bring in, that is if we stay up. He's not the most attractive manager to go off for. The fact of the matter is, if you can't win at home you can't manage the Villa. Moreover, if upon your arrival 14,000 seats turn up empty.. you're in the wrong neck of the woods.
We had the talent to become a force in the Premier League, and we now long for this 'stability' that mediocre clubs claim is the most important thing. We have missed our chance for greatness. It hurts.
utv.
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I've just read the whole thread. Fucking hell, folks, this doesn't matter, does it? What a waste of all our time.
And I realise that I'm worse than all of you - I don't contribute (apart from if I've had more than 3 glasses, when I normally have a pop at Dave Woodhall for no real reason), I just sit here with ennui.
Stop caring so much about this. Spend more time with your families; learn the piano; take up smoking smack - anything but this. It's such a tedious waste of our thoughts, and the only winner is Rupert Murdoch.
Can I be banned please Dave?
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No. You've spoken the most sense all night.
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I've just read the whole thread. Fucking hell, folks, this doesn't matter, does it? What a waste of all our time.
And I realise that I'm worse than all of you - I don't contribute (apart from if I've had more than 3 glasses, when I normally have a pop at Dave Woodhall for no real reason), I just sit here with ennui.
Stop caring so much about this. Spend more time with your families; learn the piano; take up smoking smack - anything but this. It's such a tedious waste of our thoughts, and the only winner is Rupert Murdoch.
Can I be banned please Dave?
Think it been a really interesting read/discussion to be fair though only problem being that it has been
discussed within this thread,which in a perverse way will in their heads add credence to their "protest".
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We took a chance, didn't get there and are still dealing with the blow-out.
Our chance will come. I reckon Randy's intention is for us to spend big again, we've just got to bide our time.
I reckon he's done his chips in all honesty.
I was fully on board with the idea of sweating our assets, cutting back on the excessive waste on the wage bill and all the rest of it. But since July 2010, we've lost the likes of Harwood, Shorey, Davis, NRC, Friedel, Carew, Young, Downing yada yada yada.
Stop me if you think you've heard this one before.
That should have made a pretty sizeable dent vis a vis wage reduction. Have other clubs -clubs with similar sized budgets such as ours- used failed deals as an excuse not to compete anymore?
Tottingham is the club who feature most often when we make these kind of parallels yet, Simon Davies, Edgar Davids, Andy Reid, Jonathan Woodgate, Alan Hutton, David Bentley, Darren Bent, Gomes and many others have never been used as an excuse to stop investing completely.
If RL overstretched himself and is now paying the price, fair enough. I admire the vision and generosity he displayed in those first four years (by vision I don't just mean spending. He had Bob Kain, Fitzgerald and other heavy hitters on board until he decided that young Faulkner was his go to guy). If he thinks he can opt out for a few years and then spend to get us back to a vaguely respectable level, he is deluded. We might as well change our club motto to behind the 8 ball or wage bill, wage bill, wage bill.
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Spot on KG.
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Totally agree KG.
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McLeish is a top bloke. He's got great character, thick skin and a will to win. But the simple fact is at this level of football, he's not a winner.
agree with your post on the whole and not a diss in your direction with the quote but last season McLeish did prove himself to be a winner at this level, even if no-one seems to remember it now!
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Can't be bothered to read the thread, but with Everton there for the takng this sort of stuff is the last thing we need. A win could see us ninth. Get behind the team. It's only 2 league games since we won wonderfully at Chelsea. Embarrassing if you ask me.
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A protest against RL is nonsense. We couldn't have asked more from over the past few years. We should be waving banners praising him to the heavens if truth be known.
yeah, how we've moved on from the times of Doug where we couldn't buy anyone, sold all our best players and only brought in loan players.....
oh.
I don't recall Doug putting about £200m of his own money into the side. It wasn't lack of support that meant a fair bit of that was wasted, it was some poor and naive decisions perhaps, but Randy really gave it a good go. His era is the only time in our history that Villa have gone out and bought genuine established (but young) England internationals or highly rated players. You can't honestly think that in Doug's era we were buying the equivalents of Friedel, Milner, Young, Bent, Downing, Carew, Petrov all within a 3 year period? I can only really think of Collymore and Saunders as that kind of signing, maybe Steve Staunton too. If Doug had given Brian Little the kind of support Randy gave MON, I expect we'd have ended up with much better than Grayson, Nelson, Curcic. I find it astonishing that people forget all that Randy had put into this club. And very ungrateful.
I woke up quite confident about getting a win today. This thread has put me in a bad and pessimistic mood.
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i bet it all goes of without so much as a wimper, no footage on SKY, no media interest, just a few people shouting a bit,
all you guys are getting your knickers in a twist for absolutly nothing, [on the other hand i could be wrong]
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I'm still pretty sure that as high earners come off the books money will be made available for the manager to rebuild. That's the time when we can really judge both Lerner and McLeiah, not now while we're just trying to muddle through a transition season as best we can.
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I cannot see anything anywhere about the organising/promotion of this protest. None of my searches showed anything apart from discussions here and on other forums about it.
I was thinking of going down slightly earlier, treating myself to some of those nice doughnuts from that van just before the Holte pub and seeing if anyone marches round.
Anyway, it looks a lovely day for a football game - ideal for a good contest between two real clubs in Englands most contested top flight fixture.
Furthermore, it is being played on Saturday at 3pm. (Still always the best time for a game ! ) Why would I want to get angry and mardy about my favourite time of the week ?
Hopefully - good football, a few goals, and three points for us. UP THE VILLA EVERYBODY !
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Anyway, it looks a lovely day for a football game
It looks like it's freezing :(
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A protest against RL is nonsense. We couldn't have asked more from over the past few years. We should be waving banners praising him to the heavens if truth be known.
yeah, how we've moved on from the times of Doug where we couldn't buy anyone, sold all our best players and only brought in loan players.....
oh.
I don't recall Doug putting about £200m of his own money into the side. It wasn't lack of support that meant a fair bit of that was wasted, it was some poor and naive decisions perhaps, but Randy really gave it a good go. His era is the only time in our history that Villa have gone out and bought genuine established (but young) England internationals or highly rated players. You can't honestly think that in Doug's era we were buying the equivalents of Friedel, Milner, Young, Bent, Downing, Carew, Petrov all within a 3 year period? I can only really think of Collymore and Saunders as that kind of signing, maybe Steve Staunton too. If Doug had given Brian Little the kind of support Randy gave MON, I expect we'd have ended up with much better than Grayson, Nelson, Curcic. I find it astonishing that people forget all that Randy had put into this club. And very ungrateful.
I woke up quite confident about getting a win today. This thread has put me in a bad and pessimistic mood.
Saunders, Houghton, Staunton, Barrett, Collymore, Curcic, Thompson, Draper, Wright, Milosevic, Dublin, Merson. Probably three groups of players under Atkinson, Little and Gregory who were all just as good a mixture of promising/good/young/exciting as the players you mention. Not to mention a lot more successful in several cases.
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I'm still pretty sure that as high earners come off the books money will be made available for the manager to rebuild. That's the time when we can really judge both Lerner and McLeiah, not now while we're just trying to muddle through a transition season as best we can.
Reducing the wages isn't going to pay back the huge losses or pay off the existing loans though Chris.
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Risso is right.
No he isnt
Oh he is, the Tory bastard!
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it's too cold to protest about anything but the continued lack of Steak and Kidney Pies!
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Can we go back to the Quatar take over rumour please !!! i was very enthusiastic when i woke up, but now having read a thread on a an anti Mcleish demo seems self destructive. Close this thread and lets try " Mcleish could be the manager to take this club forward" Come on Villa ........
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I've just read the whole thread. Fucking hell, folks, this doesn't matter, does it? What a waste of all our time.
And I realise that I'm worse than all of you - I don't contribute (apart from if I've had more than 3 glasses, when I normally have a pop at Dave Woodhall for no real reason), I just sit here with ennui.
Stop caring so much about this. Spend more time with your families; learn the piano; take up smoking smack - anything but this. It's such a tedious waste of our thoughts, and the only winner is Rupert Murdoch.
Can I be banned please Dave?
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This is Clampy your roving reporter by Witton Island and theres absolutley nothing to report. Stay tuned for further developments as and when we I get them.
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Any more updates? What was the crowd?
Agree wholeheartedly with Kevin Gage's post. I don't think McLeish is the problem but is only a symptom. I really hope that this is only a temporary state of regrouping before another crack at it but I don't see it. Indeed, all the signs point to the club still feeling that wages need to be reduced even further and I'm not sure if the few more higher earners who will be leaving soon will see any significant new incomers, it will be more on loan or mediocre journeymen coming in. Of course, one has to question what would really be the point of Lerner continuing to invest. Will we really be able to reel in the teams who are significantly better than us at this moment in time?
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I've just got back from town and you could hear the squealing from New Street station. Though it may have just been the brakes on the 14:25 to Lichfield Trent Valley.
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Well, was there a protest ?
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I think more worrying than a protest is the General Apathy, its like we had a go, it didnt work, what do we do now? Plan B anyone?
Yes lets sell our best players and muddle through for a bit and pretend that we are trying.
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Funnily enough i had a look at their site today and you'd think if they were that annoyed with him they'd have spent a bit of time on it. Just a badly photoshopped picture of AM and 1 paragrapth of text. The facebook site wasn't any better either. Only way AM's going to get the push is if enough people get fed up with results and performances rather than some mental blose-based irrational hatred
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Protest or not the crowd was piss poor today.
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Protest or not the crowd was piss poor today.
Fans are voting with their feet, can't say I blame them. I won't be back for more of this tripe next season. 'McLeish's Villa' is just soul destroying.
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Altogether now...
Your protest, your protest, your protest was fucking shit. Your protest was fucking shit.
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Protest or not the crowd was piss poor today.
Fans are voting with their feet, can't say I blame them. I won't be back for more of this tripe next season. 'McLeish's Villa' is just soul destroying.
Agree that's what I've been doing
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Protested with my feet too. Watched the first half on the computer, said f**k that and went out. Bored out my mind and embarrassed. I recorded the full game to watch this morning, woke up and deleted it.
Can't be bothered anymore after 50 years or more of watching the Villa. It is a real protest when you simply have no interest. I am coming back to the UK to live and was really looking forward to going down the Villa. Even looked at houses close to rail and road links to Brum. Not any more.
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Apathy has really set in when the protesters can't be arsed to turn up and protest.
Or maybe it's as I suggested a few pages back and they couldn't find Villa Park.
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Protested with my feet too. Watched the first half on the computer, said f**k that and went out. Bored out my mind and embarrassed. I recorded the full game to watch this morning, woke up and deleted it.
Can't be bothered anymore after 50 years or more of watching the Villa. It is a real protest when you simply have no interest. I am coming back to the UK to live and was really looking forward to going down the Villa. Even looked at houses close to rail and road links to Brum. Not any more.
Really? You don't honestly believe it's always going to be like this do you? By the time you get here we'll probably be owned by Qatari super rich and you'll be struggling on trains to VP from Norfolk :)
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If you want to protest about the crap football then do so by voting with your feet.
They are making it bloody hard for me to stump up for a renewal at the minute.
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I'm not sure if there is any evidence, but I'd guess the club has lost a lot of people like me - people who have to drive (travel) a combined amount of at least 120 miles.
You have to have some motivation to do this every week. The 'show' on offer is frankly not worth the ticket and travel.
Perhaps I'm not a real fan however.
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I'm really suprised that there has not been any demonstrations about the owner of the club. Considering the cock ups of the last few years I just can't see any manager doing a better job than the current one given the financial constraints placed on him. I think that until we reach the time that we are able to offload the high earners who contribute bugger all to the team we're going to have to get used to the current crap until the finances of the club are back on more of a solid footing.
But if we are going to stick with the current austerity plan for the next few years we need something to re-ignite the hopes and dreams of the fans, something to make us proud, something that will set us apart from the current run of the mill club. I have a few suggestions, and yes I know they are not going to make the team better, but if they make the fans proud again then perhaps the enthusiasm from the supporters will filter through to the players.
So here goes:
Replace the AV floodlights. Even if its just cosmetic it stood us apart from any other club, and I always felt a sense of pride in seeing them lit up at night.
When we next change our kit lets go back to a traditional kit and the classic white away kit of the late 70s early 80s. Then keep it! Forever! Make it a club tradition that we are know world wide as the club that respects our history and pedigree. While on the subject of the kit lets get back to a proper badge with a claret lion, and how about giving a free home or away shirt to season ticket holders?
Introduce a loyalty bonus for season ticket holders. Make every fifth renewal half price.
Anyway that's my take on things. I think the foitball that we're gonna see for the next few seasons will be awful, but I just want to feel good about my club again. A bit like the way the club restored our pride in the early 70s. Children of the revolution style!
UTV
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I'm not a real fan either. I came up for the Baggies game and a lot has to change for me to make the effort again. Paying good money for a wasted Saturday holds no appeal.
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I have to say I feel as bad about the club as I did the 2nd/3rd year of Dolly's reign under Doug. Club going no-where and threat if relegation, shit football..... The onlydiffernece we have a better squad and should be doing better.
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In the beginning...
Never seen this before. Words fail me.
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dazzyg is conspicuous by his absence, by the way...
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I liked the half-time blokes in giant hamster balls demo.
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In the beginning...
Never seen this before. Words fail me.
Can anybody translate what the second guy interviewed is saying?
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Im to lazy to get involved with demos but come on how many people on here are actually happy with things? Can you really not see anything but a relegation battle come May? Great Yarmouth wont know whats hit it if we have a chance of going down on Saturday the 12th of May. Me thinks Batman and Robin will have to make a comeback.
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Apathy is right. I was offered a mates season card to go to the game because he "couldn't be arsed".
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5 Years ago = Season ticket holder and 8-10 away games season
3 years ago - Season ticket holder 3-4 away games per season
last season - Season ticket
This season - August - November - watch all the games in the pub (10minute walk)
January - Can't be arsed to walk to the pub and if i'll half heartedly try and find a stream on the internet.
March -??
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In the beginning...
Never seen this before. Words fail me.
Can anybody translate what the second guy interviewed is saying?
I wonder what that girl is doing with the first guy. It was funny when he started his rant with "no one will buy season tickets" and she piped up with "I will".
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I liked the half-time blokes in giant hamster balls demo.
Yeah, what was that? Briefly saw it but the lure of an over priced bottle of water had a greater attaction.
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5 Years ago = Season ticket holder and 8-10 away games season
3 years ago - Season ticket holder 3-4 away games per season
last season - Season ticket
This season - August - November - watch all the games in the pub (10minute walk)
January - Can't be arsed to walk to the pub and if i'll half heartedly try and find a stream on the internet.
March -??
Similar to me at the moment, apart from I can't be bothered to find a stream (most get clamped down fast now anyway) and very rarely watch highlights.
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'Are you a season ticket holder?'
'Uh?'
'Are you a season ticket holder?'
'I was but I'm not no more, ennit'?
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My God! Never seen that before. Retards! The lot of em!
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dazzyg is conspicuous by his absence, by the way...
I miss him :( even though we never spoke directly a little piece of me will die if he never comes back.
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My God! Never seen that before. Retards! The lot of em!
To be fair the older gent made some very valid points. Unfortunately the fact that he was down at the ground with the other brain donors counts against him.
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I liked the half-time blokes in giant hamster balls demo.
Yeah, what was that? Briefly saw it but the lure of an over priced bottle of water had a greater attaction.
Apparently ST holders can apply via the OS to have a go, and if you get selected and win you get some 'fantastic prizes' (i.e Villa Village voucher?)
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I liked the half-time blokes in giant hamster balls demo.
Yeah, what was that? Briefly saw it but the lure of an over priced bottle of water had a greater attaction.
Apparently ST holders can apply via the OS to have a go, and if you get selected and win you get some 'fantastic prizes' (i.e Villa Village voucher?)
I reckon a Doug v Randy one would keep people in their seats at half time. ;D
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Wasn't at the game on the weekend but did this protest go ahead?
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No.
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Wasn't at the game on the weekend but did this protest go ahead?
No.
Good! pointless if you ask me.
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Totally agree.
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Another game where we were not entertained........................each week gets worse does it not? I think its obvious now who we need as manager either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert let's get some excitement back down Villa Park before we all get bored................. how much more of this can we or are we expected to take....
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Another game where we were not entertained........................each week gets worse does it not? I think its obvious now who we need as manager either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert let's get some excitement back down Villa Park before we all get bored................. how much more of this can we or are we expected to take....
No, each game doesn't get worse. Rodgers and Lambert are flavour of the month but you'll soon find another saviour when they lose a couple of games.
Anyway, what happened to all these Villa fans that think just like you?
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Another game where we were not entertained........................each week gets worse does it not? I think its obvious now who we need as manager either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert let's get some excitement back down Villa Park before we all get bored................. how much more of this can we or are we expected to take....
No, each game doesn't get worse. Rodgers and Lambert are flavour of the month but you'll soon find another saviour when they lose a couple of games.
Anyway, what happened to all these Villa fans that think just like you?
your right about the 'flavour of the month' thing, a few months ago it was Moyes and Hughes, both in my view would be no better than what we have now,
having said that i would take Rogers or Lambert, just like the way there teams play the game
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Another game where we were not entertained........................each week gets worse does it not? I think its obvious now who we need as manager either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert let's get some excitement back down Villa Park before we all get bored................. how much more of this can we or are we expected to take....
I agree with what you are saying but I also think some of the blame is down to the playing personnel as well. The reason why Swansea play so well is that all their players have been coached in the right way to play that style of football. they have been playing this style from the Martinez days and clearly have stuck to this philosophy and recruited players who are technically good to do it. I think GH wanted to do this when he was employed. Players like Warnock, Hutton, Collins and to a certain extent Petrov (although i may be slightly wrong about that)are not really that technical in my opinion. Our full backs are prob the worst in the league when it comes to tehnical ability
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Another game where we were not entertained........................each week gets worse does it not? I think its obvious now who we need as manager either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert let's get some excitement back down Villa Park before we all get bored................. how much more of this can we or are we expected to take....
No each week doesn't get worse, unless you think Saturday was worse than Swansea. As for how much are we expected to take, stop the hysterics. We're a mid-table Premier League team. Go on here and say how hard done to you feel: www.darlofc.co.uk
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Another game where we were not entertained........................each week gets worse does it not? I think its obvious now who we need as manager either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert let's get some excitement back down Villa Park before we all get bored................. how much more of this can we or are we expected to take....
Typical. Jump on the back of any current success story. It will be the same when the transfer rumours start coming through. There will be people like you mentioning prospects as if they are household names.
I will start you off with Armin Bacinovic. Is he any good?
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Who?
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Come on dazzyg, now you've resurfaced, give us all the low down on why the protest didn't happen.
Was it too cold? Did you get lost? Or................was.....it..... because.......all......the................wouldn't fit on to your bedsheet?
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Who?
Once one has heard his name, all the sheep will follow.
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Another game where we were not entertained........................each week gets worse does it not? I think its obvious now who we need as manager either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert let's get some excitement back down Villa Park before we all get bored................. how much more of this can we or are we expected to take....
You might want to get that sticky full stop on your keyboard looked at.
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Another game where we were not entertained........................each week gets worse does it not? I think its obvious now who we need as manager either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert let's get some excitement back down Villa Park before we all get bored................. how much more of this can we or are we expected to take....
Not sure what difference they'd make when so much appears to be so rotten behind the scenes.
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Another game where we were not entertained........................each week gets worse does it not? I think its obvious now who we need as manager either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert let's get some excitement back down Villa Park before we all get bored................. how much more of this can we or are we expected to take....
You might want to get that sticky full stop on your keyboard looked at.
Full stop working fine .......................
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Another game where we were not entertained........................each week gets worse does it not? I think its obvious now who we need as manager either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert let's get some excitement back down Villa Park before we all get bored................. how much more of this can we or are we expected to take....
You might want to get that sticky full stop on your keyboard looked at.
Full stop working fine .......................
Must be your brain then.
Maybe get that looked at as well?
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Dotty
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Now you're on daz, did you turn up for that protest on Saturday?
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Must be the worst attended protest since The Prohibition League marched on Glasgow.
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Another game where we were not entertained........................each week gets worse does it not? I think its obvious now who we need as manager either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert let's get some excitement back down Villa Park before we all get bored................. how much more of this can we or are we expected to take....
Typical. Jump on the back of any current success story. It will be the same when the transfer rumours start coming through. There will be people like you mentioning prospects as if they are household names.
I will start you off with Armin Bacinovic. Is he any good?
Armin a car Bacinitaly more like.
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Another game where we were not entertained........................each week gets worse does it not? I think its obvious now who we need as manager either Brendan Rodgers or Paul Lambert let's get some excitement back down Villa Park before we all get bored................. how much more of this can we or are we expected to take....
You might want to get that sticky full stop on your keyboard looked at.
Full stop working fine .......................
Must be your brain then.
Maybe get that looked at as well?
all working fine the brain and the full stop button..................must be the person reading this posts that have a screw loose
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That dotting business; is it because your bottom lip keeps dropping down onto your keyboard, Darren?
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I'm still waiting for dazzy's report on Saturday's protest.
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By the time I arrived at the game (2.30 ish) no one was there !!! Seems that some fans just dont really care about the club !!! Shame that we are now being linked with Scott Dann ......... can the season much get worse? Roll on May when it is all over and Randy has sacked McLeish. Bring in Rodgers or Lambert
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By the time I arrived at the game (2.30 ish) no one was there !!! Seems that some fans just dont really care about the club !!! Shame that we are now being linked with Scott Dann ......... can the season much get worse? Roll on May when it is all over and Randy has sacked McLeish. Bring in Rodgers or Lambert
I'd rather they brought in Rodgers and Hammerstein.
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I'd prefer Lambert and Butler
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By the time I arrived at the game (2.30 ish) no one was there !!! Seems that some fans just dont really care about the club !!! Shame that we are now being linked with Scott Dann ......... can the season much get worse? Roll on May when it is all over and Randy has sacked McLeish. Bring in Rodgers or Lambert
And here was me thinking I cared about the club, but obviously I don't, and probably never have, because I didn't turn up to a protest I didn't agree with.
Thanks for clearing that up for me!
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By the time I arrived at the game (2.30 ish) no one was there !!! Seems that some fans just dont really care about the club !!! Shame that we are now being linked with Scott Dann ......... can the season much get worse? Roll on May when it is all over and Randy has sacked McLeish. Bring in Rodgers or Lambert
You're going to be a very disappointed little boy, Randy isn't go to sack McLeish.
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By the time I arrived at the game (2.30 ish) no one was there !!! Seems that some fans just dont really care about the club !!! Shame that we are now being linked with Scott Dann ......... can the season much get worse? Roll on May when it is all over and Randy has sacked McLeish. Bring in Rodgers or Lambert
So.......you turned up for a protest 15 minutes before it was due to start.......couldn't be bothered to wait around.......and the rest of us don't care.....yes the season could get much worse......we could get a few more supporters like you.
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By the time I arrived at the game (2.30 ish) no one was there !!! Seems that some fans just dont really care about the club !!! Shame that we are now being linked with Scott Dann ......... can the season much get worse? Roll on May when it is all over and Randy has sacked McLeish. Bring in Rodgers or Lambert
Are you for real?
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Actually:
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I don't seem so bad now do I ;)
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Trouble is that some hide behind dazzyg's extremism. They let him be the stooge but do nothing but slag the manager themselves.
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By the time I arrived at the game (2.30 ish) no one was there !!! Seems that some fans just dont really care about the club !!! Shame that we are now being linked with Scott Dann ......... can the season much get worse? Roll on May when it is all over and Randy has sacked McLeish. Bring in Rodgers or Lambert
Some of us work at weekends before the match!
So.......you turned up for a protest 15 minutes before it was due to start.......couldn't be bothered to wait around.......and the rest of us don't care.....yes the season could get much worse......we could get a few more supporters like you.
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
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So does Dave.
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What campaign?
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Trouble is that some hide behind dazzyg's extremism. They let him be the stooge but do nothing but slag the manager themselves.
Good Point "dave clark five" you are either for him or against him I do not hide my feelings and never will.
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What campaign?
Hello !!!!!!!!!!!!!! have you not been reading this forum for the past god knows how long?
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Ah, the one that no-one turned up to?
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For what it's worth, we were largely in control of the game before and after that imbecile was sent off.
We could have held the ball better against 10 men but that's the players fault not the managers I would say.
I'm still not convinced by McLeish but he's still very much in the "getting a chance" saloon as far as I'm concerned.
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I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign.
How can people desert something when they're not involved in it in the first place?
Unless you're talking to yourself of course.
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Trouble is that some hide behind dazzyg's extremism. They let him be the stooge but do nothing but slag the manager themselves.
Good Point "dave clark five" you are either for him or against him I do not hide my feelings and never will.
Don't we know it!
And just because you see it in such absolutes does not mean everyone else does.
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
Load of bollocks as usual. We were on top before Henry got sent off but typical of you that even when Villa win you can't be happy.
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What campaign?
The campaign that nobody turns up to.
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves.
Yes, how disappointing.
And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
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By the time I arrived at the game (2.30 ish) no one was there !!! Seems that some fans just dont really care about the club !!! Shame that we are now being linked with Scott Dann ......... can the season much get worse? Roll on May when it is all over and Randy has sacked McLeish. Bring in Rodgers or Lambert
Some of us work at weekends before the match!
So.......you turned up for a protest 15 minutes before it was due to start.......couldn't be bothered to wait around.......and the rest of us don't care.....yes the season could get much worse......we could get a few more supporters like you.
You got there before the protest was due to start, didn't hang around, and your excuse is that you'd been at work BEFORE? How does that work?
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
We haven't just won 'one game'. We have successfully introduced some decent players from the Academy / Reserves into the first team. These things don't just click into place overnight. Remember the saying 'you will never win anything with kids'?
You are hell bent on slagging the manager regardless of what happens.
I have read and re-read your post. There is little doubt that you wanted us to lose. What an ambition.
They used to hang traitors.
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I admire your spirit Dazzy but at this stage I think it could be better directed.
He's not the best manager around but he's had to work under difficult circumstances and deserves a chance to see what he can do. A real chance.
I'm loathe to use the cliche but we are in a transitional period. It's not ideal.
But if we bring the kids through, get rid of O'Neill's overly expensive indulgences and generally get our house in order, things might start to look up again. This isn't anything like McLeish's team yet.
It's not a time to start actively seeking more turmoil and upheaval I think. What we need now is consistency and steadiness. That's not to say it wont have to be looked at again at some point but at the moment we're doing alright, all things considered.
I'm far more concerned with the apparent lack of direction from the board than the current manager.
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
So you're disappointed we won then?
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
So you're disappointed we won then?
It certainly sounds like it.
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I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign.
How can people desert something when they're not involved in it in the first place?
Bren'd
Who said that???????
Some fans have been talking about it for some time. Part of the villafans combined "forum"
Unless you're talking to yourself of course.
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Ah, VFC.
Where all the bright sparks hang out.
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I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign.
How can people desert something when they're not involved in it in the first place?
Bren'd
Who said that???????
Some fans have been talking about it for some time. Part of the villafans combined "forum"
Unless you're talking to yourself of course.
But surely if they were talking about it, but didn't turn up to the demo, then they "Don't care about the club!". Those are the rules, aren't they?
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I talk about a lot of things too. Does that mean I'm some sort of campaign organiser as well?
I also wanted us to win on Saturday, which, in dazzyg-world probably means I'm not a real fan.
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Listen, there's few of us on here who were happy about his appointment, me included and I'd be lying if the blose connection and relegations didn't bother me. I was more in shock, however we are not in crisis, we are not in the bottom 3 and in the last month he's played the formations and players most of us have been crying out for. I actually think we've seen marked improvements and when everyone is fit can give any team a game. The youngsters coming through are the envy of many top clubs and hopefully we are the ones to see them to fruition. I'm far from saying Mcleish is the man to take us forward but this 'Anti' campaign is 'Anti-Villa' for me.
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Villa Fans Combined forum??
Don't know that one.
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
Load of bollocks as usual. We were on top before Henry got sent off but typical of you that even when Villa win you can't be happy.
We won but wouldn't it be nice to be playing well and win (against eleven men)
Villa Forever !!!!!
McLeish who ????????
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
Load of bollocks as usual. We were on top before Henry got sent off but typical of you that even when Villa win you can't be happy.
We won but wouldn't it be nice to be playing well and win (against eleven men)
I know, fancy the ref having the audacity of sending off a player for violent conduct.
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
Load of bollocks as usual. We were on top before Henry got sent off but typical of you that even when Villa win you can't be happy.
We won but wouldn't it be nice to be playing well and win (against eleven men)
Villa Forever !!!!!
McLeish who ????????
We lost to both Spurs and WBA last season when they were down to 10 men.Some people are never happy
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
Load of bollocks as usual. We were on top before Henry got sent off but typical of you that even when Villa win you can't be happy.
We won but wouldn't it be nice to be playing well and win (against eleven men)
I know, fancy the ref having the audacity of sending off a player for violent conduct.
Your missing the point!!! Wolves were taking the piss in parts.....Wolves for godsake?
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
Load of bollocks as usual. We were on top before Henry got sent off but typical of you that even when Villa win you can't be happy.
We won but wouldn't it be nice to be playing well and win (against eleven men)
I know, fancy the ref having the audacity of sending off a player for violent conduct.
Your missing the point!!! Wolves were taking the piss in parts.....Wolves for godsake?
How dare they!!!!!! Playing at home in a local derby and in a relegation battle They should have rolled over like Bolton against Liverpool
oh
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
Load of bollocks as usual. We were on top before Henry got sent off but typical of you that even when Villa win you can't be happy.
We won but wouldn't it be nice to be playing well and win (against eleven men)
I know, fancy the ref having the audacity of sending off a player for violent conduct.
Your missing the point!!! Wolves were taking the piss in parts.....Wolves for godsake?
That's the same Wolves that drew at Spurs the week before for godsake (sic).
It really does take a special kind of obsessive to want to find reasons to moan after a good away win in a local derby.
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
Load of bollocks as usual. We were on top before Henry got sent off but typical of you that even when Villa win you can't be happy.
We won but wouldn't it be nice to be playing well and win (against eleven men)
I know, fancy the ref having the audacity of sending off a player for violent conduct.
Your missing the point!!! Wolves were taking the piss in parts.....Wolves for godsake?
In simplicity, we were on top until Kightly scored. The whole of the Wolves support lifted the team and spurred them on to be the better team for the remainder of the half. A good tactical decision at half time by McLeish followed, which resulted in the game being pretty even with a very well taken goal by one AM's signings* to level the score again (*Which was widely written off on the transfer thread as a waste of time). Perhaps the game swung in our favour a little with the Henry sending off. So what! Keano banged in the winner and the team, with a little less naivety could have increased the scoreline.
Wolves did not 'piss all over us at times' at all.
Why can't you give him any credit when he deserves it?
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Your missing the point!!! Wolves were taking the piss in parts.....Wolves for godsake?
Yes, but that's a big win for us, a six pointer in many ways. Opened up a decent gap now between us the bottom three. Don't knock it, Daz.
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
Load of bollocks as usual. We were on top before Henry got sent off but typical of you that even when Villa win you can't be happy.
We won but wouldn't it be nice to be playing well and win (against eleven men)
I know, fancy the ref having the audacity of sending off a player for violent conduct.
Your missing the point!!! Wolves were taking the piss in parts.....Wolves for godsake?
That makes us all the better to have won then doesn't it?
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Wolves took the piss and we took the points.
I can live with that.
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Wolves took the piss and we took the points.
I can live with that.
Well said.
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Wolves took the piss and we took the points.
I can live with that.
Me too. I don't recall any of the Nose Obsessives complaining when we used to rob the Rags of all three points despite not playing that well.
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What a lucky man McLeish is, until Karl Henry was sent off we were struggling to contain Wolves (says alot for us doesn't it) someone up there must like McLeish otherwise we could have really slated him for losing to Wolves. We took the lead then we seem to go to pieces. I just hope fans don't start deserting the campaign now that we have won one game. Can we really get excited about beating a poor team like Wolves?
Load of bollocks as usual. We were on top before Henry got sent off but typical of you that even when Villa win you can't be happy.
We won but wouldn't it be nice to be playing well and win (against eleven men)
Villa Forever !!!!!
McLeish who ????????
Have they let you out again?
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We won but wouldn't it be nice to be playing well and win
How many times under MON did we play badly and win? Especially away? A fair few. I remember our top scorer was OG for a few weeks. Were you complaining then?
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I admire your spirit Dazzy but at this stage I think it could be better directed.
He's not the best manager around but he's had to work under difficult circumstances and deserves a chance to see what he can do. A real chance.
I'm loathe to use the cliche but we are in a transitional period. It's not ideal.
But if we bring the kids through, get rid of O'Neill's overly expensive indulgences and generally get our house in order, things might start to look up again. This isn't anything like McLeish's team yet.
It's not a time to start actively seeking more turmoil and upheaval I think. What we need now is consistency and steadiness. That's not to say it wont have to be looked at again at some point but at the moment we're doing alright, all things considered.
I'm far more concerned with the apparent lack of direction from the board than the current manager.
I largely agree with you Maz. However, I'm really hoping that McLeish will be gone by the time we're ready to spend again (if we ever will be), because the thought of him being given free reign to spend about £150m building a team scares the shit out of me.
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Me too Stu
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Your missing the point!!! Wolves were taking the piss in parts.....Wolves for godsake?
Er.... when was the last time we beat Wolves?
EDIT: Ah, I remember now, late headed winner by Heskey 2-1 away last season!
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We won but wouldn't it be nice to be playing well and win (against eleven men)
Like we did at Chelsea you mean?