England 2012 Cricket Thread

[PaulWinch again]

Bell gone, question marks have to be over his place now.

[PaulWinch again]

Morgan gone, this is dismal.

[olaftab]

Well I have placed at £10 bet at 2/1 for England to win..so now I hope the batsmen realise they have responsibilty to deliver £30 back to me!!

I still have hope!

edited: do i not like this!

[olaftab]

Paul not seen anything this morning post lunch.  What do you think of the defend defend strategy adapted by the batsmen? Normally in my experience it never works against good spinners.

[hipkiss92]

Bell gone, question marks have to be over his place now.

Who are you going to bring in who's better, Bell averaged 118 last year, and all the batsmen have failed over in the UAE, might as well have questioned all their places if that is the case.

[Meanwood Villa]

This series has been a total embarrassment. Only positive Panesar

[Warren Aspinall]

Bell gone, question marks have to be over his place now.

You think that Pietersen, Strauss & Morgan are more worthy of a place then?

At the end of the day we've come up woefully short against spin bowling, even Cook & Trott have had below average a series. We need to acknowledge that the difference in our conditions & sub-continent conditions is huge  & encourage U19 & A tours to play there at every opportunity.

[PaulWinch again]

Bell gone, question marks have to be over his place now.

You think that Pietersen, Strauss & Morgan are more worthy of a place then?

At the end of the day we've come up woefully short against spin bowling, even Cook & Trott have had below average a series. We need to acknowledge that the difference in our conditions & sub-continent conditions is huge  & encourage U19 & A tours to play there at every opportunity.

I think there are question marks over all of them, but Bell hasn't got one respectable score this series and the rest have at least got one each.

[PaulWinch again]

Paul not seen anything this morning post lunch.  What do you think of the defend defend strategy adapted by the batsmen? Normally in my experience it never works against good spinners.

No I don't think it works because you don't make any progress.

[Warren Aspinall]

Bell gone, question marks have to be over his place now.

You think that Pietersen, Strauss & Morgan are more worthy of a place then?

At the end of the day we've come up woefully short against spin bowling, even Cook & Trott have had below average a series. We need to acknowledge that the difference in our conditions & sub-continent conditions is huge  & encourage U19 & A tours to play there at every opportunity.

I think there are question marks over all of them, but Bell hasn't got one respectable score this series and the rest have at least got one each.

I beg to differ.

Strauss...............3 games 6 inns ....... 150 runs @ 25.00...... high score 56
Pietersen............3 games 6 inns........ 67 runs @ 11.16...... high score 32
Bell......................3 games 6 inns........ 51 runs @ 8.50........high score 29
Morgan................3 games 6 inns .......82 runs @ 13.66.......High score 31

I'll concede that Bell is the worst of a bad bunch, but over the last couple of years he's been far better than any of the other 3, that to me buys hims some time.

[olaftab]

Well on the way to a 100 run partnership between Prior and Anderson.

[PaulWinch again]

Well that's all over and what an horrendous effort by England throughout this series. The batsmen have managed over 200 twice in 6 innings and that is dreadful. Well played Pakistan, but we have been dreadful. The batsmen should be ashamed of their performances. I don't exclude any of them from that other than Prior really. Strauss - Bad, Cook - one good score, one decent and the rest terrible, Trott - poor overall, Pietersen - Bad, Bell - Awful(as he never even looked like he was getting comfortable), Morgan - Awful.

[Villan For Life]

So where do we go from here?

It's not a time for wholesale changes in the batting order. Certainly they all need to take a long hard look at themselves and as Flower has said the squad is not a closed shop.

We need to stick with the current line up for a number of reasons, notably that Bopara is not the answer and that the "next gen" batsmen like Taylor and Buttler are predominantly one day players who need time to develop their game in the longer format.

The current group have not become bad batsmen overnight. They were under cooked and attention needs to be paid to this aspect rather than wholesale changes.

[exiled on the wirral!]

The problem is preparation. Before the series England hadnt played test cricket for 4-5 months. They play 2 warm up matches, and then play 3 back to back test matches, so any problems they encountered during the tests, they couldnt iron out in practice games between tests. thats the problem with modern touring. 

I think Bell is such an attractive ellegant batsmen when he is in form(and i say that as a worcestershire fan), and i think Morgan is an excellent prospect, so i wouldnt want to see either them lose there places yet. My patience is running thin with Pieterson, and i think a spell out of the team would rejuvenate him.

[spangley1812]

The problem is preparation. Before the series England hadnt played test cricket for 4-5 months. They play 2 warm up matches, and then play 3 back to back test matches, so any problems they encountered during the tests, they couldnt iron out in practice games between tests. thats the problem with modern touring. 

I think Bell is such an attractive ellegant batsmen when he is in form(and i say that as a worcestershire fan), and i think Morgan is an excellent prospect, so i wouldnt want to see either them lose there places yet. My patience is running thin with Pieterson, and i think a spell out of the team would rejuvenate him.

I agree with everything you say there mate and IMO KP is more interested in the IPL than anything else

Very disappointed to see that Bell has been dropped from the ODI squad but he is paying the price for the decision to appoint Cook as ODI skipper