Aston Villa v Swansea City Post-Match Thread

[Hillbilly]

Just watched the Warnock "incident" again. I didn't see anyone quickly either put an arm around his shoulder and say that mistakes happen or come up an give him a rollocking for being a pillock. Not sure which is preferable but the fact that neither happened suggests a lack of leadership, togetherness and care on the park. Worrying.

[KRS]

Warnock is a liability. Obviously messed up for the first by being a twat then fell flat on his arse for the second. He seems to be having a competition with Hutton for who can be the biggest pile of shit in a Villa shirt this season.

[JUAN PABLO]

If Bent had been playing for Swansea , they probably would have won 5-0 . They created things , we created fook all .

and why our defenders keep passing it back to the goalkeeper , a goalkeeper who is not the most confident when the ball is coming towards him , no brains between the lot of them .

and is that AMC excuse , we got beat because they have a bigger squad .  Not good enough , we got beat because they played the game properly , passed to each other for a start and embarrassing were a joy to watch compared to us  .

[CT]

Two terrible errors for the goals and our lack of movement at times was absolutely appalling. This against a side who passed the ball for fun and clearly believed in themselves and their system of play.

We had no chance. That second half was as desperate as it gets for me.

[taylorsworkrate]

An awful awful performance. Especially on the back of such an excellent showing at Chelsea.

Swansea have been atrocious away from home, yet looked like the Welsh Barcelona yesterday. The ease with which they carved us open was embarrassing.

Warnock's mistake was as bad as any I've seen as a Villa fan (and I include Peter Enckelman in that).

As for the manager, well three things:

Firstly, why change the formation that was so slick, incisive and creative against Chelsea, and for large parts of the game against Arsenal too.

Secondly, why on earth was Ireland taken off? He looked by far the most likely player to produce something.

Thirdly, why in interviews of late, is he making us come across as incredibly small time? The comment about Swansea having more strength in depth was poor.

[Sam Smith]

Our backline (Dunne aside) encapsulate everything that is killing my love for the game. Limited ability, expensively purchased, earning a kings ransom and being outplayed by players of allegedly inferior ability!

Warnock is generally poor and was atrocious today, Chelsea aside he is at best average and one of the top MON gratuities IMHO. Going to Villa park is an aboslute chore and has been for a few seasons. I am so disheartened by it all, it feels worse than the O'Dreary era as our expectations were lesser then.

Gutted!

[Concrete John]

Here's the thing about that game - I actually don't overly mind that we played poorly.  It happens.  Even the best sides have an off day.  So, after a string of good/decent showings, I can live with us having a bad day at the office.  Even if we were top of the league that can happen - see Man City at Sunderland. 

However, when that happens you should have the back up of being a well drilled and hard working side, so still have a 'hard to beat element' about you.  It's basics.  And we gifted them two goals through defending that can only be described as comical.  You could even argue that should a goal be shipped, then set pieces give you a chance to draw level if you can't break a side down.  We had 14 corners and how many resulted in an attempt on goal?

The bizarre thing is that these are the things I thought AM would bring us.  Solid defense and having the basics right.  We have neither of those two things.

One last thing - a bit if credit to Swansea, who played superbly.  After Chelsea I was a little miffed, if not exactly surprised, that the media concentrated on them being poor and gave us no credit.  It would be hypocritical if we did the same here, so hands up to a good footballing side how put in what could well be their performance of the season.   

[MarkM]

One [of many] incident's during the game did concern me.

It was when Dunne had the free kick awarded against him and he really went for the Ref, he then followed this up with a further altercation  with the Swansea player which led to him pushing the player and getting booked. You could tell that Dunne was wound up and if he had the need to do a tackle very quickly he may have gone in hard and got sent off.

The thing that concerned me was that our Captain Petrov was very close to the incident and did nothing to calm Dunne down. He just let it happen right in front of him. Dunne could easily have been sent off in those few minutes and needed to be led away.

Our on the field leader was very absent at that moment and in my opinion should have stepped in and shown some leadership

[He wears a magic hat]

I honestly don't believe we played any differently to how we have played ALL season.

We are a team that is set up so poorly that we will never produce anything like the football Swansea produced yesterday. Even our recent improvement saw us lose to Arsenal, play out a goaless draw at Stoke (with hardly any creative football at all) and beat Chelsea having been battered from the majority of the 2nd half, although admittedly at least we look like a team that day.

Can you name me another team that when they are 2-0 down allows the opposition goalkeeper to roll the ball to the RB who in turn passes it to the centre half who in turn passes it to the LB. Whilst our lone striker meanders after the ball like a headless chicken whilst every single other player is in our own half.

In that 10 seconds you saw exactly why we will never amount to anything other than a Championship side under this manager. If it aint this season it will be next.

[TonyD]

We have 2 main problems.  The defence goes from solid to stupid in a blink of an eye.   And we simply do not create enough clear cut chances to score.  I think the defence can be sorted with a couple of new players.  I think we already have the creativity and firepower in the squad but it needs tactics, leadership and plan Bs and Cs.  However I know that AM is not the man to do these things.  So will continue to roll and pitch and hopefully avoid the drop.   The Swansea game highlighted this perfectly.   

[JUAN PABLO]

I cant see Swansea going down and I hope they dont . But If they did , I would get their manager in . He really impressed me yesterday with what players he has .

[Rick_avfc]

I cant see Swansea going down and I hope they dont . But If they did , I would get their manager in . He really impressed me yesterday with what players he has .

After yesterdays performance and from previous performances, I cant see Swansea going down either.  But you're right, if they did go down, we should definitely go after their manager.  He is getting the best out of his players and they have a sense of belief when coming up against stronger opposition i.e. Man Utd (although they lost, they played very well) & Spurs (drew with them)

Swansea deserved that result yesterday as we were really bad.  We had numerous corners but the delivery on some were poor or our players were not in the right position to win headers.  The scoreline yesterday could have been a lot worse.

[Chris Smith]

It's been argued above that you never change a winning team AND that we should have rotated as Swansea did to keep the players fresh.

It's also been pointed out that they pmayets a very fluid passing style as though that s what we should be doing. The point is though they didn't just turn up fully formed playing that way it's a result of continuity of approach from successive managers and them acquiring the players to do it.

We gifted them two unbelievably soft goals which then allowed them to sit and play the ball around in their own half for what seemed like hours on end.

I thought we did OK in the first half without getting the slice of luck they were given. Second half we seemed to run out of ideas but I suspect they'd have felt far less secure defending the leas had we kept it to 1.

After Some decent performances this was a reality check, we've still got a lot of work to do. We're capable of playing  good football but also prone to the odd horror show. The next step is to be consistently on the positive side of that spectrum.

[darren woolley]

Our perfomance was poor what the hell was Warnock doing with that ball that led to there first goal and I think we need to get better service to Bent before he decides he as had enough.

[JUAN PABLO]

watching the game again on football first . I did piss myself laughing when Sturridge ( co commentator ) was calling Warnock , Neil Warnock.
To be fair to Neil , he would have had a much better game .