Aston Villa v Swansea City Post-Match Thread

[tarzansbrother]

Petrov wasn't fit, neither was Clarke. Bent should have stayed on the bench with Albrighton keeping his place. Collins needs to be sold and Warnock shot. Oh and giving Bannan 5 minutes was an insult.

[villadelph]

Petrov wasn't fit, neither was Clarke. Bent should have stayed on the bench with Albrighton keeping his place. Collins needs to be sold and Warnock shot. Oh and giving Bannan 5 minutes was an insult.

It was baffling to me that Petrov was the only starting CM to go the full 90. He picks up a knock at the Bridge and then goes full time. Down 2-0, keep your defensive minded CM's in and take out Stevie?!

[Shrek]

It's is so bloody frustrating. I feel for Eck in a way though. If he'd have made 4 or 5 changes and lost, he'd have been slaughtered. He makes one change and he's told he should have rested more and in hindsight maybe he should have. It's a tough one to call. I presume he was hoping the momentum from Saturday would have got them through. Either way, i'm hoping it's a one off after the upturn in recent form.

I don't feel for Eck, I said before the game we had to rotate like Swansea have against us and spurs.

Mcleish needs to show faith in the whole squad otherwise what's the point?

Swansea's two best players are Sinclair and Dyer, he usually plays both on either Wing, but he played one against spurs and one against us.
He has faith in his squad and it shows on the pitch.

[Jockey Randall]

Some people need to stop throwing their toys out the pram and acting like we're some sort of force these days who should be steam rolling teams like Swansea at home.

You're daft if you think we shouldn't have dismantled Swans today. Coming off a win at the Bridge Swansea should have been chopped liver.

This is exactly why there's so much negativity around Villa fans at the moment. Too many fans think we've got a better squad than we actually have. The reality is that we're in that group of teams from 7th-20th who are on course to finish exactly where our ability should see us finish. I honestly don't understand where some people think we should be? Challenging teams that have spent millions more than us?

I never say this, ever.. but absolutely terrible post.

It's not about the squad at hand, but the club. Aston Villa should never lose at home to a promoted side. Swansea played some excellent football today and deserved all the points, but for a large club like Aston Villa to roll over and serve up this dross is unacceptable. And to accept the fact that we are on the same level, or below, clubs like Swansea is absolutely absurd. Generalizing us in the group of "7th to 20th" is nonsense, the gap between clubs in 7th and 16th is miles, let alone Blackburn. Then to bring up the "Well, they spend millions" argument is ridiculous. Villa have spent tons on the current squad, whether they meet their transfer values is completely irrelevant.

You're voluntary acceptance of a pessimism is why there is so much negativity at the club. We're Aston Villa Football Club and we don't want to lose to clubs who have hardly ever established themselves in the history of the FA.

Of course the gap is miles because you're going to get sides who ride the crest of a wave such as Newcastle and side like Blackburn who are generally having a shocker. The squads on paper though are really not that different in the ability they contain. Look at the prices for Newcastle against QPR in a couple of weeks. Newcastle are 4/6 at home. Do you not think they'd be a lot shorter if the general consensus was that there is a massive gulf in class? Manure were 1/7 to beat Blackburn the other day ffs! and why the hell shouldn't Villa lose at home to a promoted side? You make it sound like we're Barcelona!

You're logic is so flawed and based on poor experiential knowledge I'm not going to bother with an extended response, I'm sorry. You can't justify our misfortune with Manchester United's inability to see off Blackburn. Nor will I accept betting odds as a valid explanation. V

Ok so you just throw out the view of people who are actually paid to analyse every aspect of each team and come up with the correct probability for each outcome? Very sound logic there indeed...

[SoccerHQ]

The worrying thing (Saturday apart) is that we do not look like scoring.  Since Norwich at home, that is 9 games and we have only managed 6 goals (3 on Saturday) with us scoreless in 6 of those.

We are creating very few chances as we seem to have an inability to put pressure on teams.  15 corners today and we didn't look like scoring from any of them.  Also, why is it when other teams have corners and we head it clear to the edge of the penalty area, it goes straight to one of their players.  When the opposition head it clear we never seem to have any players on the edge of the area.

I think the biggest shock and concern today was how little we created up front, for me more so than the errors in defence, had we pegged back Swansea and give them something to think about we would have seen a different approach from them rather than the ever increasing confidence they portrayed as the game went on.

We created 15 corners.  That's not little in the way of creativity.  We were once upon a time a force from such.  Even allowing for our lack of ability from this set piece we should at least be getting something to bobble in or around the area but there's never a threat from our corners.  What do we do all week to remedy this?

N'zogbia is not a good set piece kicker imo. He never looks likely to score a free kick and his crosses are always too high and too floated, same when Petrov takes them. Ireland's were a bit better, at least they were closer to the 6 yard box.

For a team that struggles to score from open play, you'd think we would be much better at corners, certainly SHA score quite a few last season.

Suppose we've been spoilt from Ashley Young over the last few seasons and the likes of Laursen and Carew being huge threats in the air.

[villadelph]

Some people need to stop throwing their toys out the pram and acting like we're some sort of force these days who should be steam rolling teams like Swansea at home.

You're daft if you think we shouldn't have dismantled Swans today. Coming off a win at the Bridge Swansea should have been chopped liver.

This is exactly why there's so much negativity around Villa fans at the moment. Too many fans think we've got a better squad than we actually have. The reality is that we're in that group of teams from 7th-20th who are on course to finish exactly where our ability should see us finish. I honestly don't understand where some people think we should be? Challenging teams that have spent millions more than us?

I never say this, ever.. but absolutely terrible post.

It's not about the squad at hand, but the club. Aston Villa should never lose at home to a promoted side. Swansea played some excellent football today and deserved all the points, but for a large club like Aston Villa to roll over and serve up this dross is unacceptable. And to accept the fact that we are on the same level, or below, clubs like Swansea is absolutely absurd. Generalizing us in the group of "7th to 20th" is nonsense, the gap between clubs in 7th and 16th is miles, let alone Blackburn. Then to bring up the "Well, they spend millions" argument is ridiculous. Villa have spent tons on the current squad, whether they meet their transfer values is completely irrelevant.

You're voluntary acceptance of a pessimism is why there is so much negativity at the club. We're Aston Villa Football Club and we don't want to lose to clubs who have hardly ever established themselves in the history of the FA.

Of course the gap is miles because you're going to get sides who ride the crest of a wave such as Newcastle and side like Blackburn who are generally having a shocker. The squads on paper though are really not that different in the ability they contain. Look at the prices for Newcastle against QPR in a couple of weeks. Newcastle are 4/6 at home. Do you not think they'd be a lot shorter if the general consensus was that there is a massive gulf in class? Manure were 1/7 to beat Blackburn the other day ffs! and why the hell shouldn't Villa lose at home to a promoted side? You make it sound like we're Barcelona!

You're logic is so flawed and based on poor experiential knowledge I'm not going to bother with an extended response, I'm sorry. You can't justify our misfortune with Manchester United's inability to see off Blackburn. Nor will I accept betting odds as a valid explanation. V

Ok so you just throw out the view of people who are actually paid to analyse every aspect of each team and come up with the correct probability for each outcome? Very sound logic there indeed...

Trusting the bookies is like trusting the weatherman.

[Risso]

First home match in ages, and what a game to pick!  Warnock had an absolute shocker.  Nuff said.  I thought we tried to pass it around a bit, but Swansea just seemed to be a lot better at it, and fully deserved the win.  Ireland had another good game I thought.

[andyh]

I don't this 'we looked leggy' or 'tired' business, did Swansea not play at the weekend ?
They scored within 5 minutes, we had a further 85+ to get something out of the game, yet failed to get a single effort on target, other that a nod back from Collins, that registered as an effort on target !!
Not a single effort on target !!!!..and its not the first time.

[brian green]

I am on your side Villadelph.

Over the seven decades I have followed Villa the one single force which has preventing Aston Villa go the same way as other football clubs with great history has been the capacity of the Villa fans to demand that the team lives up to its history.

Even in the very depths when we went down to the Third Division and teams of volunteers came in to Villa Park to give the place a coat of paint and fans dug deep to actually put up the money to buy Neil and Bruce Rioch the single unifying factor which kept us going was We Are Aston Villa.   Without pride you are nothing.

We have a right to expect our club to provide the personnel - players, manager, coaches, everything - to beat Swansea City.   If you only hope for something in life you will never get it.   You have to demand better than that performance today.

[Villanation]

It's is so bloody frustrating. I feel for Eck in a way though. If he'd have made 4 or 5 changes and lost, he'd have been slaughtered. He makes one change and he's told he should have rested more and in hindsight maybe he should have. It's a tough one to call. I presume he was hoping the momentum from Saturday would have got them through. Either way, i'm hoping it's a one off after the upturn in recent form.

I don't feel for Eck, I said before the game we had to rotate like Swansea have against us and spurs.

Mcleish needs to show faith in the whole squad otherwise what's the point?

Swansea's two best players are Sinclair and Dyer, he usually plays both on either Wing, but he played one against spurs and one against us.
He has faith in his squad and it shows on the pitch.

I don't feel for Eck either, in fact I have no sympathy for any top manager, they get paid the kind of money each week that most of us slave away to earn years for, as far as i'm concerned every time they don't come up with the result feels like they are getting it for nothing, we all have pressure and stress, phuk me you want to try and run a business in this climate, naaa, sorry no sympathy whatsoever from me, for me they are in a dream job.

[villadelph]

I don't this 'we looked leggy' or 'tired' business, did Swansea not play at the weekend ?
They scored within 5 minutes, we had a further 85+ to get something out of the game, yet failed to get a single effort on target, other that a nod back from Collins, that registered as an effort on target !!
Not a single effort on target !!!!..and its not the first time.

They made 8 or 9 changes to their squad that tied Tottenham on the weekend, and they still beat us..

That says a lot.

[villadelph]

I am on your side Villadelph.

Over the seven decades I have followed Villa the one single force which has preventing Aston Villa go the same way as other football clubs with great history has been the capacity of the Villa fans to demand that the team lives up to its history.

Even in the very depths when we went down to the Third Division and teams of volunteers came in to Villa Park to give the place a coat of paint and fans dug deep to actually put up the money to buy Neil and Bruce Rioch the single unifying factor which kept us going was We Are Aston Villa.   Without pride you are nothing.

We have a right to expect our club to provide the personnel - players, manager, coaches, everything - to beat Swansea City.   If you only hope for something in life you will never get it.   You have to demand better than that performance today.

Thanks for the support. If we don't demand greatness we will never see it.

upthevilla.

[MarkM]

I agree with you Brian.

The owners have allowed us to become also rans, and worse than that seem content to be also rans.

If we are not very careful our future will follow the path Newcastle took (without the promotions) we could end up the new Wolves

[Mazrim]

I can accept that greatness comes around once in a blue moon but that dreadful tripe on display today had better not make itself known for a long time.
An off colour away day is one thing you expect now and then. How dare they mug us off with that bobbins at Villa Park.

I dont want to say anything else about it, I dont want to remember it in any capacity and I'm not going to burn my bra becasue of it in isolation.
I dont even blame the manager beacuse he did pretty much what I expected him to do and more or less what I'd have done. They just didn't play for him which may or may not be his fault, I dont know. It's certainly theirs.

I do wish we had a bit more strength in depth to sit some of these arseholes on their tush for a week or three, but short of playing kids, we don't.
Any more of this nonsense and we should probably do just that.

[Bad English]

I spent the day in Barcelona so I was blissfully unaware of the score until now.

I know I didn't see the games, but what I can do to make it feel better is pretend that we dicked Swansea 3-1 and Chelsea spanked us 2-0 for a net total of 3 points.

(OK, it's not making me feel better).