Aston Villa v Swansea City Post-Match Thread

[barrysleftfoot]

  I think you are right Bren'd.............we are desperate for a good LB.

[adrenachrome]

  We played exactly the same tactics as Swansea today, 1 up front, 2 wide players, and 2 holding midfielders.

  The difference was, they did'nt give us a goal, we gave them 2.


  The confidence attained in the result on sat, seemed to completely evapourate after the 1st goal, the mistakes increased,confidence diminished and the moaning louder.Teams don't have to play well to beat us at VP, we help them.The team is far too fragile at home.

I agree that the mistake which led to goal seemed to knock the stuffing out of fans and the players alike. The crass stupidity of the act could have been designed by some evil anti-villa demon to inflict maximum damage on our  fragile psyches. Of course, this should not be the case and we had most of the game to put it right.

We have seen 3 Warnocks: the first was a fairly good if somewhat impetuous player; the second, post-injury, and rushed back too soon according to many fans,  was a Permanent Disaster in Progress; the current incarnation is 21st Century Schizoid Man - great one game and diabolical the next.

You could feel the tide turning against AM today, and it is going to be very difficult to hold it back. 
 

[villadelph]

Some people need to stop throwing their toys out the pram and acting like we're some sort of force these days who should be steam rolling teams like Swansea at home.

You're daft if you think we shouldn't have dismantled Swans today. Coming off a win at the Bridge Swansea should have been chopped liver.

This is exactly why there's so much negativity around Villa fans at the moment. Too many fans think we've got a better squad than we actually have. The reality is that we're in that group of teams from 7th-20th who are on course to finish exactly where our ability should see us finish. I honestly don't understand where some people think we should be? Challenging teams that have spent millions more than us?

I never say this, ever.. but absolutely terrible post.

It's not about the squad at hand, but the club. Aston Villa should never lose at home to a promoted side. Swansea played some excellent football today and deserved all the points, but for a large club like Aston Villa to roll over and serve up this dross is unacceptable. And to accept the fact that we are on the same level, or below, clubs like Swansea is absolutely absurd. Generalizing us in the group of "7th to 20th" is nonsense, the gap between clubs in 7th and 16th is miles, let alone Blackburn. Then to bring up the "Well, they spend millions" argument is ridiculous. Villa have spent tons on the current squad, whether they meet their transfer values is completely irrelevant.

You're voluntary acceptance of a pessimism is why there is so much negativity at the club. We're Aston Villa Football Club and we don't want to lose to clubs who have hardly ever established themselves in the history of the FA.

Of course the gap is miles because you're going to get sides who ride the crest of a wave such as Newcastle and side like Blackburn who are generally having a shocker. The squads on paper though are really not that different in the ability they contain. Look at the prices for Newcastle against QPR in a couple of weeks. Newcastle are 4/6 at home. Do you not think they'd be a lot shorter if the general consensus was that there is a massive gulf in class? Manure were 1/7 to beat Blackburn the other day ffs! and why the hell shouldn't Villa lose at home to a promoted side? You make it sound like we're Barcelona!

You're logic is so flawed and based on poor experiential knowledge I'm not going to bother with an extended response, I'm sorry. You can't justify our misfortune with Manchester United's inability to see off Blackburn. Nor will I accept betting odds as a valid explanation. V

[TimTheVillain]

Bent show all the traits of a player that simply doesn't want to know, he has the ability providing he doesn't have to work to hard to get a result, that's not Villa, you can see over the seasons how much effort Gabby has to put in just to get a sniff.

Bent joined to play alongside Young and Downing.

He isn't anymore, and how it shows.

[villadelph]

  We played exactly the same tactics as Swansea today, 1 up front, 2 wide players, and 2 holding midfielders.

  The difference was, they did'nt give us a goal, we gave them 2.


  The confidence attained in the result on sat, seemed to completely evapourate after the 1st goal, the mistakes increased,confidence diminished and the moaning louder.Teams don't have to play well to beat us at VP, we help them.The team is far too fragile at home.

I agree that the mistake which led to goal seemed to knock the stuffing out of fans and the players alike. The crass stupidity of the act could have been designed by some evil anti-villa demon to inflict maximum damage on our  fragile psyches. Of course, this should not be the case and we had most of the game to put it right.

We have seen 3 Warnocks: the first was a fairly good if somewhat impetuous player; the second, post-injury, and rushed back too soon according to many fans,  was a Permanent Disaster in Progress; the current incarnation is 21st Century Schizoid Man - great one game and diabolical the next.

You could feel the tide turning against AM today, and it is going to be very difficult to hold it back. 
 

McLeish will have an uphill battle for the rest of his Villa career, no matter the length. He had no idea what he was getting into. He thought with a few wins and our fickle nature we would all begin to praise him but this man is in way over his head. I want to win, and do it with style. And if we can't always win, I at least want it to look like we gave a valiant effort.

[Villanation]

Bent show all the traits of a player that simply doesn't want to know, he has the ability providing he doesn't have to work to hard to get a result, that's not Villa, you can see over the seasons how much effort Gabby has to put in just to get a sniff.

Bent joined to play alongside Young and Downing.

He isn't anymore, and how it shows.

This is true, if for no other reason than Young play's for Man U and Downing for the Red Lions reserves  good point.

[Villanation]

Some people need to stop throwing their toys out the pram and acting like we're some sort of force these days who should be steam rolling teams like Swansea at home.

You're daft if you think we shouldn't have dismantled Swans today. Coming off a win at the Bridge Swansea should have been chopped liver.

This is exactly why there's so much negativity around Villa fans at the moment. Too many fans think we've got a better squad than we actually have. The reality is that we're in that group of teams from 7th-20th who are on course to finish exactly where our ability should see us finish. I honestly don't understand where some people think we should be? Challenging teams that have spent millions more than us?

I never say this, ever.. but absolutely terrible post.

It's not about the squad at hand, but the club. Aston Villa should never lose at home to a promoted side. Swansea played some excellent football today and deserved all the points, but for a large club like Aston Villa to roll over and serve up this dross is unacceptable. And to accept the fact that we are on the same level, or below, clubs like Swansea is absolutely absurd. Generalizing us in the group of "7th to 20th" is nonsense, the gap between clubs in 7th and 16th is miles, let alone Blackburn. Then to bring up the "Well, they spend millions" argument is ridiculous. Villa have spent tons on the current squad, whether they meet their transfer values is completely irrelevant.

You're voluntary acceptance of a pessimism is why there is so much negativity at the club. We're Aston Villa Football Club and we don't want to lose to clubs who have hardly ever established themselves in the history of the FA.

Of course the gap is miles because you're going to get sides who ride the crest of a wave such as Newcastle and side like Blackburn who are generally having a shocker. The squads on paper though are really not that different in the ability they contain. Look at the prices for Newcastle against QPR in a couple of weeks. Newcastle are 4/6 at home. Do you not think they'd be a lot shorter if the general consensus was that there is a massive gulf in class? Manure were 1/7 to beat Blackburn the other day ffs! and why the hell shouldn't Villa lose at home to a promoted side? You make it sound like we're Barcelona!

You're logic is so flawed and based on poor experiential knowledge I'm not going to bother with an extended response, I'm sorry. You can't justify our misfortune with Manchester United's inability to see off Blackburn. Nor will I accept betting odds as a valid explanation. V

Are you a Lawyer??

[paul_e]

Some people need to stop throwing their toys out the pram and acting like we're some sort of force these days who should be steam rolling teams like Swansea at home.

You're daft if you think we shouldn't have dismantled Swans today. Coming off a win at the Bridge Swansea should have been chopped liver.

This is exactly why there's so much negativity around Villa fans at the moment. Too many fans think we've got a better squad than we actually have. The reality is that we're in that group of teams from 7th-20th who are on course to finish exactly where our ability should see us finish. I honestly don't understand where some people think we should be? Challenging teams that have spent millions more than us?

I never say this, ever.. but absolutely terrible post.

It's not about the squad at hand, but the club. Aston Villa should never lose at home to a promoted side. Swansea played some excellent football today and deserved all the points, but for a large club like Aston Villa to roll over and serve up this dross is unacceptable. And to accept the fact that we are on the same level, or below, clubs like Swansea is absolutely absurd. Generalizing us in the group of "7th to 20th" is nonsense, the gap between clubs in 7th and 16th is miles, let alone Blackburn. Then to bring up the "Well, they spend millions" argument is ridiculous. Villa have spent tons on the current squad, whether they meet their transfer values is completely irrelevant.

You're voluntary acceptance of a pessimism is why there is so much negativity at the club. We're Aston Villa Football Club and we don't want to lose to clubs who have hardly ever established themselves in the history of the FA.

Of course the gap is miles because you're going to get sides who ride the crest of a wave such as Newcastle and side like Blackburn who are generally having a shocker. The squads on paper though are really not that different in the ability they contain. Look at the prices for Newcastle against QPR in a couple of weeks. Newcastle are 4/6 at home. Do you not think they'd be a lot shorter if the general consensus was that there is a massive gulf in class? Manure were 1/7 to beat Blackburn the other day ffs! and why the hell shouldn't Villa lose at home to a promoted side? You make it sound like we're Barcelona!

Finishing 10-12 would be fine, I doubt too many fans would have a massive problem with that if it wasn't for the fact that we're doing with people like Heskey and Warnock in the side and with performances that see 1 shot on target at home to team with a combined value equal to our striker.  You can act out that this is acceptable as much as you like but you'll be in the minority.  Football is an entertainment business and at the moment we're barely even trying to be entertaining.

Chelsea was a good performance and we're were good in patches against arsenal (I thought stoke was solid but still pretty rubbish) but other than those the only other decent performances all season have been against the bottom 2.  4 performances in 20 games isn't good enough and can't be papered over by talking about it being a transition season.

Even if you don't have the right players to play how you want you coach what you have to get them as close as you can and then replace the ones who don't step up.  If we're doing this then the quality of coaching, or the plan itself, isn't good enough.  If we're not doing this then we're f****d because buying and selling an entire squad isn't going to happen any time soon and things will only get worse in the mean time.

[villadelph]

Some people need to stop throwing their toys out the pram and acting like we're some sort of force these days who should be steam rolling teams like Swansea at home.

You're daft if you think we shouldn't have dismantled Swans today. Coming off a win at the Bridge Swansea should have been chopped liver.

This is exactly why there's so much negativity around Villa fans at the moment. Too many fans think we've got a better squad than we actually have. The reality is that we're in that group of teams from 7th-20th who are on course to finish exactly where our ability should see us finish. I honestly don't understand where some people think we should be? Challenging teams that have spent millions more than us?

I never say this, ever.. but absolutely terrible post.

It's not about the squad at hand, but the club. Aston Villa should never lose at home to a promoted side. Swansea played some excellent football today and deserved all the points, but for a large club like Aston Villa to roll over and serve up this dross is unacceptable. And to accept the fact that we are on the same level, or below, clubs like Swansea is absolutely absurd. Generalizing us in the group of "7th to 20th" is nonsense, the gap between clubs in 7th and 16th is miles, let alone Blackburn. Then to bring up the "Well, they spend millions" argument is ridiculous. Villa have spent tons on the current squad, whether they meet their transfer values is completely irrelevant.

You're voluntary acceptance of a pessimism is why there is so much negativity at the club. We're Aston Villa Football Club and we don't want to lose to clubs who have hardly ever established themselves in the history of the FA.

Of course the gap is miles because you're going to get sides who ride the crest of a wave such as Newcastle and side like Blackburn who are generally having a shocker. The squads on paper though are really not that different in the ability they contain. Look at the prices for Newcastle against QPR in a couple of weeks. Newcastle are 4/6 at home. Do you not think they'd be a lot shorter if the general consensus was that there is a massive gulf in class? Manure were 1/7 to beat Blackburn the other day ffs! and why the hell shouldn't Villa lose at home to a promoted side? You make it sound like we're Barcelona!

You're logic is so flawed and based on poor experiential knowledge I'm not going to bother with an extended response, I'm sorry. You can't justify our misfortune with Manchester United's inability to see off Blackburn. Nor will I accept betting odds as a valid explanation. V

Are you a Lawyer??

In law school at the moment 

[Rick_avfc]

We were just piss poor today.  No excuses and no single player can be singled out for such a disgraceful performance - they were all as bad as each other in my opinion.  I think they thought because they beat a very inconsistent chelsea team that they could turn up again and do the same to swansea.  Im sorry but you cannot to that at this level.  Swansea have shown this season that they are a good team and play 'Football' with confidence.  They showed us a footballing lesson today. 
What the hell was Warnock doing for the 1st goal?  Time to get rid of him.  No wonder GH dropped him last season as he knew he wasn't good enough.

[PeterWithesShin]

  We played exactly the same tactics as Swansea today, 1 up front, 2 wide players, and 2 holding midfielders.

  The difference was, they did'nt give us a goal, we gave them 2.


  The confidence attained in the result on sat, seemed to completely evapourate after the 1st goal, the mistakes increased,confidence diminished and the moaning louder.Teams don't have to play well to beat us at VP, we help them.The team is far too fragile at home.

I agree that the mistake which led to goal seemed to knock the stuffing out of fans and the players alike. The crass stupidity of the act could have been designed by some evil anti-villa demon to inflict maximum damage on our  fragile psyches. Of course, this should not be the case and we had most of the game to put it right.

Indeed, I mentioned earlier that after they scored we still had approx 90 mins (including injury time) to turn things round. How can we show real fight , passion and ability when we go behind (Arsenal and Chelsea for example) and at other times look as though it's all over and we have given up as soon as the opposition score (Spurs, WBA, Dippers, today as examples). Why does the mentality fluctuate so much?

[Villanation]

Some people need to stop throwing their toys out the pram and acting like we're some sort of force these days who should be steam rolling teams like Swansea at home.

You're daft if you think we shouldn't have dismantled Swans today. Coming off a win at the Bridge Swansea should have been chopped liver.

This is exactly why there's so much negativity around Villa fans at the moment. Too many fans think we've got a better squad than we actually have. The reality is that we're in that group of teams from 7th-20th who are on course to finish exactly where our ability should see us finish. I honestly don't understand where some people think we should be? Challenging teams that have spent millions more than us?

I never say this, ever.. but absolutely terrible post.

It's not about the squad at hand, but the club. Aston Villa should never lose at home to a promoted side. Swansea played some excellent football today and deserved all the points, but for a large club like Aston Villa to roll over and serve up this dross is unacceptable. And to accept the fact that we are on the same level, or below, clubs like Swansea is absolutely absurd. Generalizing us in the group of "7th to 20th" is nonsense, the gap between clubs in 7th and 16th is miles, let alone Blackburn. Then to bring up the "Well, they spend millions" argument is ridiculous. Villa have spent tons on the current squad, whether they meet their transfer values is completely irrelevant.

You're voluntary acceptance of a pessimism is why there is so much negativity at the club. We're Aston Villa Football Club and we don't want to lose to clubs who have hardly ever established themselves in the history of the FA.

Of course the gap is miles because you're going to get sides who ride the crest of a wave such as Newcastle and side like Blackburn who are generally having a shocker. The squads on paper though are really not that different in the ability they contain. Look at the prices for Newcastle against QPR in a couple of weeks. Newcastle are 4/6 at home. Do you not think they'd be a lot shorter if the general consensus was that there is a massive gulf in class? Manure were 1/7 to beat Blackburn the other day ffs! and why the hell shouldn't Villa lose at home to a promoted side? You make it sound like we're Barcelona!

You're logic is so flawed and based on poor experiential knowledge I'm not going to bother with an extended response, I'm sorry. You can't justify our misfortune with Manchester United's inability to see off Blackburn. Nor will I accept betting odds as a valid explanation. V

Are you a Lawyer??

In law school at the moment 

  , If i could only predict results as lucky a guess as that was.....

[villadelph]

I hope you were watching Randy, just like you always do..

[Steve kirk]

Went to the game today and we were very leggy but I am convinced we could have got something from the game but for Warnocks woeful error, the minute that happened all the confidence gained from the Chelsea win drained away in an instant the description of him by Adrenachrome was excellent, he is a total and utter liability, the league table suddenly looks a lot more scary especially with the Fulham win, I am sure we will pull through but god it feels so shit.UTV     

[Rigadon]

New left back is a priority.