McLeish out Chants / banners / protests

[kippaxvilla2]

If you're booing tomorrow or protesting even, make it loud chaps. It'll take some hearing to be heard in America

If that's a reference to the owner's whereabouts, he's over here.

Taking in the match, or just a nose around the German market?




joke

No he is going to take in a ball game or it might have been a ball gown, I wasn't really listening too well.

[nuninho]

It feels like the Villa under McLeish is similar to Venglos.

Likeable manager but way way out of his depth.  I feel sorry for him, he has been dealt a shit hand with expectations in same way Venglos was expected to come in and win the league after finishing second.

[Des Little]

Lerner won't sack Eck, and definitely won't do so when we are 10th in the league no matter how poor the football is.  By sacking him he'd be admitting he dropped a huge bollock in the first place and he won't do that any day soon.  Randy's ginger mate is quiet these days isn't he?

[ez]

I reckon we'll finish low but stay up. Its next season i fear we won't. McLeish isn't going to suddenly become a good manager. He must be replaced at the end of the season.

[Dave Cooper please]

"10th in the league table" is also a very poor excuse. I said a few weeks ago that the table doesnt show the full story and a few more losses over the next few weeks will give a more realistic look to our league position. Similarly, if we pick up a few points then it will continue to not look as bad as it is, and any protests will look futile in the eyes of the media and a section of our own support.

Eh?
In a roundabout way you are actually saying you want us not to pick up points so our position can look as bad as you want it to be so you can be proven correct? Is that it?
Surely if we pick up points over the next few games then we actually aren't as bad as you are making out? Shit to watch, yes, but actually the mid-table side I suspect us to be and I suspect is where we will finish.

[pauliewalnuts]

In the same way Stoke will probably finish midtable, and with about as much entertainment in the meantime, too.

I pity anyone who actually wants us to lose, though.

[caster troy]

Protests are just a means of venting frustration, I doubt they will make much difference to Lerner. What will have an impact is falling attendances.

I can't be arsed to go tomorrow and I've got a season ticket, didn't bother with the Man Utd game either. If I don't go when my ticket is right there in my wallet I can't imagine what the situation will do to our more casual support.

If I did have a banner I'd save it for when we're in the bottom 6 in January and it would just say 'You should have listened to us Randy.'

[Lobsterboy]

We are currently mid table but this apparently is not a true reflection for some fans of our performances. Surely the league table is the only reflection of our performances/results?

Would we also be able to reverse that logic if we were in the relegation zone and say it'll be fine?

I am no McLeish fan and his style of football is bloody awful from what I have seen thus far but now is the time to get behind the team and stand united

Talk of protests etc is a) not helpful b) a tad premature and c) sadly not really going to make a difference anyway

[caster troy]

We are currently mid table but this apparently is not a true reflection for some fans of our performances. Surely the league table is the only reflection of our performances/results?

Would we also be able to reverse that logic if we were in the relegation zone and say it'll be fine?

I am no McLeish fan and his style of football is bloody awful from what I have seen thus far but now is the time to get behind the team and stand united

Talk of protests etc is a) not helpful b) a tad premature and c) sadly not really going to make a difference anyway

I agree on a) and c) but...

The league table is misleading because it depends on the games you have played. If we're top 10 having played all the other 19 teams in the league I will change my tune. The general assumption being made by most Villa fans at the moment is that we will lose the next three games and then the table will look a little less positive. I hope we turn out to be wrong.

[Dave Cooper please]

In the same way Stoke will probably finish midtable, and with about as much entertainment in the meantime, too.

I pity anyone who actually wants us to lose, though.

Exactly, I don't like the way we play, although I realise we have lost all our creativity, which isn't an excuse for not giving it a bloody good go by the way!
But, anyone hoping we don't pick up points over the next few games in some misguided attempt to hope McLeish gets sacked, or even bloody worse in my opinion, in the hope they are proved right in their internet rantings wants a fucking big kick right in the scrotum.
For fucks sake you are all Villa fans, yes? You want us to win every game, no? McLeish still having a job is surely a small (Heath) price to pay if we are winning?

[KRS]

"10th in the league table" is also a very poor excuse. I said a few weeks ago that the table doesnt show the full story and a few more losses over the next few weeks will give a more realistic look to our league position. Similarly, if we pick up a few points then it will continue to not look as bad as it is, and any protests will look futile in the eyes of the media and a section of our own support.

Eh?
In a roundabout way you are actually saying you want us not to pick up points so our position can look as bad as you want it to be so you can be proven correct? Is that it?
Surely if we pick up points over the next few games then we actually aren't as bad as you are making out? Shit to watch, yes, but actually the mid-table side I suspect us to be and I suspect is where we will finish.

I can see how you think thats what I'm saying, but under no circumstances would I ever want us to lose. I just think that we will lose the next few games, and this certainly isnt about my opinion being proved right or wrong...in fact, I'd love for AM to be prove us all wrong but the overwhelming fact is that the club is in a terrible mess with a crap manager and a squad full of average to crap players.

The truly concerning thing for me is whether or not another manager could do any better results wise with the current squad. To think that in such a short space of time we've gone from a club needing a couple of decent signings to push into Europe, to a club that is struggling on and off the pitch. How Randy and co have managed to do this beggers belief.

[Risso]

I'd rather just stop watching Villa than get to the point where I hope we lose.

[mrfuse]

It does piss me off when fans say just get behind the team... have you seen the lack of style, the negativity, the anti football and lack of passion from us!  nobody in their right mind would applaud the rubbish were being served.

People are paying a lot of money on tickets travel and time in cold and wet conditions and even though we were never of the mindset we were going to play great football the least we expected from a McLeish team is a bit of grit and determination and were not even getting that.

I would like too think if we actually have a go at teams like spurs, man utd , Liverpool and the likes the fans would respond accordingly but if we turn in such lackluster performances im afraid fans are going to be pissed off!

So far the bigger teams that have played Villa have not even had to try too hard to beat us and its becoming embarrassing. For example the 2nd half against Liverpool you would have thought McLeish would have got into the players had them fired up and we would have come out pumped up giving it a go, what actually happened was Liverpool had a unmarked header at goal and a shot that hit the post!
I dont actually boo during the game but I cant blame anybody that does and i dont see why they should sit back and let our Team be ruined by poor management at all levels

[Dave Cooper please]

But KRS you said:

"Similarly, if we pick up a few points then it will continue to not look as bad as it is"

I don't get this, if we pick up a few points then surely it will be better than it is? No? It will mean that we aren't the utterly abject mess that you and many others are saying we are. Yes?
It's almost as if you don't want us to pick up those points so you can: a) be proven right and b) get McLeish out.

We are what we are just now, a mid-table team in a state of flux because of circumstances off the field beyond our control, don't go wishing the worst on us so that you can say 'I told you so'.

[villa for life]

I think if we are 10th, we deserve to be 10th, no matter who we've played. Having said that, if in three games time, we are in the bottom six, that also will be a fair reflection of our level.
I think it's a bit premature to protest when we are 10th, though. In a funny way, the "rubbish" teams play better at the beginning of the season where the good teams start to click around now, so you could argue McLeish has not had that easy a fixture list.
Are we really doing that badly compared to last season? What position were we in over Xmas last year? Let's not forget that whatever position we were it was with the help of Young and Downing.