Stewart Downing (with added allegations Reply#103)

[Somniloquism]

I see it as red and blue in that graphic to start off with.

[RunRickyRun]

No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers

The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret

I doubt it. Ramsay came to Birmingham around 1871. Rangers were founded in 1872.

Besides this, Queen's Park were by far the biggest team in Glasgow at the time.

But I thought we didn't start playing in C&B until later did we?

True, but I doubt he had an affinity with a club that he possibly never seen play.

I remember reading that he was influenced by the Queen's Park style of play and implemented a similar atyle when he joined Aston Villa.

[dave.woodhall]

No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers

The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms

The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret

Dave will probably be,able to correct this

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Villa's colours have nothing to do with Rangers, Hearts, the Barton's or anybody's wife. Nobody has any definitive idea why we play in what we do. Simon Inglis put forward a credible theory recently - Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.


 

[hawkeye]

No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers

The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms

The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret

Dave will probably be,able to correct this

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Villa's colours have nothing to do with Rangers, Hearts, the Barton's or anybody's wife. Nobody has any definitive idea why we play in what we do. Simon Inglis put forward a credible theory recently - Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.


 

Dave, The badge is a ion like Rangers our motto is prepared thiers Ready, is thier any connection or is it just the Scottish lion?

[dave.woodhall]

No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers

The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms

The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret

Dave will probably be,able to correct this

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Villa's colours have nothing to do with Rangers, Hearts, the Barton's or anybody's wife. Nobody has any definitive idea why we play in what we do. Simon Inglis put forward a credible theory recently - Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.


 

Dave, The badge is a ion like Rangers our motto is prepared thiers Ready, is thier any connection or is it just the Scottish lion?

I don't think any formal Rangers connection has ever been established. Their original motto was 'Aye Work Awa,' which was then changed to 'Aye Ready Aye' and shortened over the years to 'Ready' in 1966. 

[hawkeye]

No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers

The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms

The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret

Dave will probably be,able to correct this

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Villa's colours have nothing to do with Rangers, Hearts, the Barton's or anybody's wife. Nobody has any definitive idea why we play in what we do. Simon Inglis put forward a credible theory recently - Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.


 

Dave, The badge is a ion like Rangers our motto is prepared thiers Ready, is thier any connection or is it just the Scottish lion?

I don't think any formal Rangers connection has ever been established. Their original motto was 'Aye Work Awa,' which was then changed to 'Aye Ready Aye' and shortened over the years to 'Ready' in 1966. 

Thanks Dave

[Holtemeister]

No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers

The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms

The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret

Dave will probably be,able to correct this

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Villa's colours have nothing to do with Rangers, Hearts, the Barton's or anybody's wife. Nobody has any definitive idea why we play in what we do. Simon Inglis put forward a credible theory recently - Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.


 
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No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers

The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms

The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret

Dave will probably be,able to correct this

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Villa's colours have nothing to do with Rangers, Hearts, the Barton's or anybody's wife. Nobody has any definitive idea why we play in what we do. Simon Inglis put forward a credible theory recently - Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.


 

Just repeating what I was told on the legends tour ladt Sunday but now you come to mention it the claret came from hearts as his wife was from Edinburgh the tiles thing ringd true though in that there were chequed claret (chocolate) tiles thoughout the Bartons

then again could all be bobbins .... could have been as simple as Doug being able to get his hands on a cheap bit of material !

[dave.woodhall]

Just repeating what I was told on the legends tour ladt Sunday but now you come to mention it the claret came from hearts as his wife was from Edinburgh the tiles thing ringd true though in that there were chequed claret (chocolate) tiles thoughout the Bartons

then again could all be bobbins .... could have been as simple as Doug being able to get his hands on a cheap bit of material !

It wouldn't have been the Barton's - that wasn't built until 1903 and I doubt our Methodist forefathers would have taken anything from a pub. It's highly unlikely Hearts & Rangers would have entered the equation as they were relatively unknown at the time (neither won their first honour until several years after we adopted claret and blue) and in any case I believe McGregor met his wife in Birmingham.

[Toronto Villa]

Blimey. What is that monstrosity from 1884-1886? Did LSD make it's first appearance on our shores that year? Imagine the reaction if we went all retro and brought that thing out. There would be grown men fainting at the gates of VP, all live on SSN.

[Louzie0]

I read somewhere that Richard the Third's 'house colours' when he was still the Duke of York, living around the midlands and rejoicing in the title of the Boar (depicted on his standard) at the time, were claret and blue.  Local lad makes good...er, the jury's out on that one!  (I never thought it was him who did for the Princes in the Tower, but that was after reading 'The Daughter of Time' by Josephine Tey.)

It does seem to establish a local historical link for that colour combination, though.  And pubs called the Boar's head, and motorway service station, the Blue Boar!  Reaching a bit, I know!


A very long way from Downing and added allegations, anyway. 

[Dave Cooper please]

Completely off topic but my nan used to drink that.

can you still buy it ?

Yes you can but not with exactly that picture on it.
The picture has subtly changed over the years so that the Indian 'Char-wallah' has gone from serving the officer his coffee to sitting down and sharing a cup with him.
Times have changed!

[dave.woodhall]

Just repeating what I was told on the legends tour ladt Sunday but now you come to mention it the claret came from hearts as his wife was from Edinburgh the tiles thing ringd true though in that there were chequed claret (chocolate) tiles thoughout the Bartons

then again could all be bobbins .... could have been as simple as Doug being able to get his hands on a cheap bit of material !

It wouldn't have been the Barton's - that wasn't built until 1903 and I doubt our Methodist forefathers would have taken anything from a pub. It's highly unlikely Hearts & Rangers would have entered the equation as they were relatively unknown at the time (neither won their first honour until several years after we adopted claret and blue) and in any case I believe McGregor met his wife in Birmingham.

My mistake. His wife was from Perthshire and came down to Birmingham several years after he did.

[Duncan Shaw]

Blimey, this thread has drifted from topic hasn't it!!

See the weasly little runt put in another indistinguished shift for the red scum on Saturday.

[E I Adio]

Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.

As a proud owner of a splendid Minton tiled floor, I can confirm that chocolatey/claret and just the right shade of blue tiles do indeed exist in my floor. However, along with those, I also have white, green, beige (2 shades) and black tiles, so I'm not sure that would be enough to inspire the choice of just two of those colours for the shirts of a football team.

However, I do know that there were hundreds of designs of Minton floors around in the late Victorian period, so, who knows, there may be some around with just claret and blue.

I will forever look upon my floor in a different light.

[exigo]

I also have white, green, beige (2 shades) and black tiles, so I'm not sure that would be enough to inspire the choice of just two of those colours for the shirts of a football team.

So the Muller away kit in 94 was your fault?