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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Handsworth Wood Villa on December 19, 2011, 12:27:19 AM
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He can just fuck off. C***
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Yes he tried his best, but as soon as the chance came he was off like a rat off a sinking ship. Shit off Downing.
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He can just fuck off. C***
I have to agree
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He's in a better place professionally now though isn't he? Who wouldn't want to leave this circus at the moment?
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That he might be but that's not the point.
We signed him when he was injured and needed a way out of the Smoggies, we paid a heck of a lot for him considering. I still believe he's one of the most over rated players in the Division and only really had one decent season for us, not brilliant just decent. He then left as soon as he could after saying for weeks he had no interest in a move and actually owed us.
Honestly, what did he really expect. Still atleast we robbed the Dippers blind when they signed him - should that money ever be re-invested.
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That he might be but that's not the point.
We signed him when he was injured and needed a way out of the Smoggies, we paid a heck of a lot for him considering. I still believe he's one of the most over rated players in the Division and only really had one decent season for us, not brilliant just decent. He then left as soon as he could after saying for weeks he had no interest in a move and actually owed us.
Honestly, what did he really expect. Still atleast we robbed the Dippers blind when they signed him - should that money ever be re-invested.
That's saved me some typing. Spot on.
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Twat. I didn't think he could possibly sink any lower in my estimation but fair play he's only gone and done it. I hope he breaks his fucking leg
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Tool - indicative of the out of touch, over rated over paid ponces that are far too numerous in the game
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I hope at some point soon someone takes him knee high, and he does not then play for a long, long, long time, as he is a total halfwit.
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He's in a better place professionally now though isn't he? Who wouldn't want to leave this circus at the moment?
Of course and in one sense yes, foolish to deny it. However, when the bindippers finish 5th or 6th or whatever, Suarez wants to leave for CL football and Gerrard finally bows out, they will probably just end up as the best of the rest of the Premier League, playing in the Europa League with the odd cup run. And Downing's next move will be a backward one, he is only going to go downhill from now so take some solace from that. He will soon be forgotten...
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Honestly, what did he really expect. Still atleast we robbed the Dippers blind when they signed him - should that money ever be re-invested.
Oh how I wish it had been.
As for Downing, he's going down in history.
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In the case of Barry, Young and Milner, they had all given us good service. Even delaying their exits.
True they went for the money and who can blame them.
Downing owed us for supporting him through his injury problems. He was starting to play well last season after all the effort our backroom staff put in - then at the first opportunity he pissed off.
He deserved every boo, hiss and rude word he got yesterday. To complain to the press shows what a complete arsehole he really is.
The bin dippers will drop him when they can find a replacement.
And there is the joy of living on Merseyside and having your house burgled!
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Not worth talking about the prick!!
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In the case of Barry, Young and Milner, they had all given us good service. Even delaying their exits.
True they went for the money and who can blame them.
Downing owed us for supporting him through his injury problems. He was starting to play well last season after all the effort our backroom staff put in - then at the first opportunity he pissed off.
He deserved every boo, hiss and rude word he got yesterday. To complain to the press shows what a complete arsehole he really is.
The bin dippers will drop him when they can find a replacement.
And there is the joy of living on Merseyside and having your house burgled!
Not a problem these days - it used to happen when they were away in the Champions League.
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I reckon the thick dipstick actually thought we'd cheer him on to the field and then carry him off shoulder high at the final whistle.
At least we now know that he didn't come on H&V prematch to see what was being said about him.
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In the case of Barry, Young and Milner, they had all given us good service. Even delaying their exits.
Milner didn't. He was off first chance he got.
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I thought the wanker got off quite lightly, not only from the fans but from the fucking wimps on the pitch.
Not one Villa player got anwhere near the fucker yesterday, I don't think he had one serious tackle to contend with and Warnock never got within 5 ft of the c.unt.
We made it easy for him, on and off the pitch.
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We made it easy for him
Him and Liverpool.
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The only time you really wanted Hutton or Delph to connect with a player neither of them did. It might have actually fired up the fans and the players...
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He was largely shit yesterday apart from one decent ball, I wish Hutton had crippled him
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This is how it is in current footy. Warnock is probably his next door neighbour now in Cheshire and probably had a lift home after the game.
We like to pretend they share our passion but they don't. That said if some prat paid me 40k a week to do my job 100 miles away from Brum I wouldn't give a shit myself after 3 years; mortgage free, kids and probably grandkids futures secured, why bother and clearly some of them don't.
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He was largely shit yesterday apart from one decent ball, I wish Hutton had crippled him
Even his corner they scored from was shit.
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Feck him.
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Twat. I didn't think he could possibly sink any lower in my estimation but fair play he's only gone and done it. I hope he breaks his fucking leg
I have to agree with you.
We took this twat with a broken foot when no one else in PL was touching him with a barge pole, nursed him back to fitness for 6 months, had absolutely f all out of him for the rest of that season and as soon as he recovers some form he decides to f*ck off. Hate him and all those like him.
Never rated him and £20M fron Lpool was good trade.
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I thought that the chanting of Peggy Bundy's maiden name were because Stewie is a big fan of the sitcom "Married With Children"
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Peggy Wanker, heheheh. I loved that show so much. I think I actually loved Kelly.
Anyway, Downing. I can't even bring myself to slag this lambhearted wonder off. I just wish we had the last laugh, but we don't.
He wont be playing Champions league football or winning any silverware though. Not with that team.
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It wasn't just him and Liverpool that got off lightly. How did that cheeky fu**er in the Holte lower get away with going mad celebrating when they scored! >:(
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In the case of Barry, Young and Milner, they had all given us good service. Even delaying their exits.
Spot on. Milner is as big a wanker as Downing is. He was off as soon as Man City came calling yet Milner gets applauded when he returns. The only ex player out of that lot who should be warmly welcomed is Barry. Yet he's despised for some reason.
Milner didn't. He was off first chance he got.
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In the case of Barry, Young and Milner, they had all given us good service. Even delaying their exits.
Spot on. Milner is as big a wanker as Downing is. He was off as soon as Man City came calling yet Milner gets applauded when he returns. The only ex player out of that lot who should be warmly welcomed is Barry. Yet he's despised for some reason.
Milner didn't. He was off first chance he got.
Fuck off, Barry dragged us through the mud with his News of the World piece, and would have gone long before had we not appointed O'Neill.
Young is the only one who behaved with dignity.
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In the case of Barry, Young and Milner, they had all given us good service. Even delaying their exits.
Spot on. Milner is as big a wanker as Downing is. He was off as soon as Man City came calling yet Milner gets applauded when he returns. The only ex player out of that lot who should be warmly welcomed is Barry. Yet he's despised for some reason.
Milner didn't. He was off first chance he got.
Fuck off, Barry dragged us through the mud with his News of the World piece, and would have gone long before had we not appointed O'Neill.
Young is the only one who behaved with dignity.
Yeah and how did we repay him.... By booing him!
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To be fair I thought Young got a pretty good reception. The booes started (by where I sit anyway) when he petulantly hacked Albrighton down
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In the case of Barry, Young and Milner, they had all given us good service. Even delaying their exits.
Spot on. Milner is as big a wanker as Downing is. He was off as soon as Man City came calling yet Milner gets applauded when he returns. The only ex player out of that lot who should be warmly welcomed is Barry. Yet he's despised for some reason.
Milner didn't. He was off first chance he got.
Fuck off, Barry dragged us through the mud with his News of the World piece, and would have gone long before had we not appointed O'Neill.
Young is the only one who behaved with dignity.
Yeah and how did we repay him.... By booing him!
I clapped, but then I left after 43 minutes.
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It wasn't just him and Liverpool that got off lightly. How did that cheeky fu**er in the Holte lower get away with going mad celebrating when they scored! >:(
I know.
I saw them doing it the first time and I thought that they were joking i.e. Villa fans being sarcastic to show how crap we are.
Then I saw them doing it again and I was like WTF.
Have these guys never been to a football match before? Do they not know you're supposed to stay quiet when you're in the wrong end?
On a side note, anyone notice how many Chinese tourists and Asian Liverpool fans there were who you don't normally see?
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It's days like yesterday and Downing's return when you really wish for an Allan Evans or Steve Mcmahon on the pitch. Someone you could never accuse of failing to hold a grudge.
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Rather than wishing injury on the cowardly little weasel I hope he stays injury free for the rest of his career and succeeds in doing nothing of note with the best supporters in the world at the giants of the game turning against him and abusing him even more than we did. I hope he disappears into lower league obscurity.
And on the form he has shown so far on Merseyside (on days when he doesn't have to play against two utter dumplings who are among the worst fullbacks in the league) that is not looking particularly unlikely.
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He's in a better place professionally now though isn't he? Who wouldn't want to leave this circus at the moment?
Of course and in one sense yes, foolish to deny it. However, when the bindippers finish 5th or 6th or whatever, Suarez wants to leave for CL football and Gerrard finally bows out, they will probably just end up as the best of the rest of the Premier League, playing in the Europa League with the odd cup run. And Downing's next move will be a backward one, he is only going to go downhill from now so take some solace from that. He will soon be forgotten...
Don't you believe it. The clown behind me on Sunday said that we should get him back.
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Milner would have got similar treatment, but he had the luxury of the West Ham game. I imagine that won most over. Plus he stayed a season longer, the deal seemed better for us and he didn't say publicly he was gonna sign a new contract.
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Mini Poll..........
Who's the biggest c**t?
Hodge.
Downing.
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Anyway, Downing. I can't even bring myself to slag this lambhearted wonder off. I just wish we had the last laugh, but we don't.
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Maybe we will.
He's not all that, and at 20 mill the scousers will have expectations. They'll be booing him themselves soon enough.
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I have never booed a Villa player in 50 years apart from Hodge and this wanker.
He just doesn't get why he was booed, sign him with a broken leg, pay him squillions, he has one good half season and he cannot wait to leave.
The words rat and sinking ship have never fitted better since the man with Maradona's shirt.
If that useless lump Hutton wanted to get himself in the Villa fan's good books then a Long-like challenge on this weasel would have surely done it, but like the other guy said, no-one even tackled him, and his bessie mate Warnock was having a laugh with him all game.
I actually think he got off really lightly >:(
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I feel so sorry for Scott Dann, suffering a ruptured testicle. That just sounds utterly horrific, and yet...if anyone should have had their name on that bullet, it should have been that weasel prick Downing. Sadly Hutton didn't sharpen his studs that day and launch a few maniacal tackles.
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still cant believe no one tackled him . He hates tackles .
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He was up against Warnock - his former team-mate.
If only he was up against Hutton...
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In his post match interview, Downing looked and spoke like the snake he is. Never to be forgiven.
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Sadly Hutton didn't sharpen his studs that day and launch a few maniacal tackles.
His last ditch tackle on Bellamy was top drawer. That would have made Downing fill his pants. Bellamy didn't complain and that says a lot for him. Just the man we want.
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In his post match interview, Downing looked and spoke like the snake he is. Never to be forgiven.
Absolutely.
No eye contact, said he gave his best when he was here, which he probably thinks is true.
And so do I - he was pretty good at times but not often enough. His words about sticking with us were totally hollow but he just doesn't see it.
He's a gutless twat. Glad to see the back of him when he went. The 20 mill was a bonus.
Could we please spend it on a decent CM player/compensation for Ginger "what the players do on the field is nothing to do with me" McLeish?
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In the case of Barry, Young and Milner, they had all given us good service. Even delaying their exits.
Milner didn't. He was off first chance he got.
Milner never kicked and stamped his feet when we were holding out for a price, he carried on playing (albeit one game), scored for us and celebrated with us. He waved goodbye to the Holte End in a dignified manner. He didnt celebrate a good goal against us even though he was nowhere near our fans
Barry did an interview slagging off the manager at the time and questioning our ambitions when at a team we looked like we could compete with the team he wanted to join. He then joined a team not even in europe
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Sorry Stewart, I rarely boo ex players on their return - I dont know what came over me.
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I never boo bur FFS there is no so called "dignified" ex-player. They are all greedy disloyal bastards and Downing is the worst one I have seen in my time at VP...eeermmmm Dodge aside!
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Fuck off Downing. I have no time for you. I didn't Boo you because youre a ******, I have no time for you, my breath was not going to be wasted.
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Rather than wishing injury on the cowardly little weasel I hope he stays injury free for the rest of his career and succeeds in doing nothing of note with the best supporters in the world at the giants of the game turning against him and abusing him even more than we did. I hope he disappears into lower league obscurity.
Yep. Splinters in his arse. That's a good injury for him.
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Good job he wasn't required on D-Day. The spineless fiuckwit.
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Good job he wasn't required on D-Day. The spineless fiuckwit.
He'd probably talked about how much he loved fighting for the allies before switching sides when he landed.
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Why won't somebody just break the fucking ****** in two?
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Why won't somebody just break the fucking c*** in two?
That may happen in the return fixture when he is all cocky and supposedly safe in his new home ground.
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(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw7vpc7Ny61r1yxcao1_400.jpg)
He even looks like a slimy little weasel.
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No problem with Downing, apart from he has no chin and is a bit of a wuss. He was a good but not brilliant player who was and is replaceable, and we got more for him than he is worth. If we'd spent the money received, and spent it wisely we could have got two as good as him. It's not his fault we only spent a fraction of what we got for him and Young, and then wasted most of what we did spend on the likes of Hutton and N'zogbia. Although I admit I thought the latter was a decent signing at the time, but he simply hasn't delivered.
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Premier league assists on merseyside this season:
The Wind - 1
Downing - 0
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Premier league assist on merseyside this season:
The Wind - 1
Downing - 0
*applause*
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Who are we trying to kid? Downing's a good player who I'd much rather still have in our side. This thread stinks of sour grapes. It's not as if N'Zogbia's been any better for us than Downing's been for Liverpool.
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Who are we trying to kid? Downing's a good player who I'd much rather still have in our side. This thread stinks of sour grapes. It's not as if N'Zogbia's been any better for us than Downing's been for Liverpool.
You should spend a few minutes reading RAWK and see what Liverpool fans currently think of him. One poster even suggested he wouldn't even get in the Villa side now.
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Who are we trying to kid? Downing's a good player who I'd much rather still have in our side. This thread stinks of sour grapes. It's not as if N'Zogbia's been any better for us than Downing's been for Liverpool.
Who said anything to the contrary?
Most people seem to be implying he's an untrustworthy human-lizard hybrid, and are also laughing at his failure to make any impact at all at Liverpool.
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Premier league assists on merseyside this season:
The Wind - 1
Downing - 0
That genuinely made me lol
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I wonder of his dive against Man City will endear him to the dippers?
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I wonder of his dive against Man City will endear him to the dippers?
I see now Stevie M£ is fit, he is helping out on the training ground.
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Who are we trying to kid? Downing's a good player who I'd much rather still have in our side. This thread stinks of sour grapes. It's not as if N'Zogbia's been any better for us than Downing's been for Liverpool.
Who said anything to the contrary?
Most people seem to be implying he's an untrustworthy human-lizard hybrid, and are also laughing at his failure to make any impact at all at Liverpool.
my feelings exactly. He's a complete wanker for what he did. I'm not contesting whether he was a good player for us, because he was. I'm massively glad he's been a flop at Liverpool and I wish nothing more on him than failure to qualify for the CL, and an ankle break ahead of the European Champions.
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Who are we trying to kid? Downing's a good player who I'd much rather still have in our side. This thread stinks of sour grapes. It's not as if N'Zogbia's been any better for us than Downing's been for Liverpool.
its certainly not sour grapes from me, i never thought he was any good before we bought him, he did nothing to change my opinion when he was here, and is performing at his normal level of crapness at Liverpool.
you can check back through my post history, i've never had a good word to say about him.
if we saw the best of Downing last year, then his best is overated hype in my view,
i do agree with you re N'zog though, he has been patheticaly useless for most of the season, although the last few games there has been some improvment, however the one small crumb of comfort that i hold out for with N'Zog is that his best for Wigan i believe is better than Downings best for Villa [last season] so if both players ever play again to there maximum, then we have the better player.
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Who are we trying to kid? Downing's a good player who I'd much rather still have in our side. This thread stinks of sour grapes. It's not as if N'Zogbia's been any better for us than Downing's been for Liverpool.
its certainly not sour grapes from me, i never thought he was any good before we bought him, he did nothing to change my opinion when he was here, and is performing at his normal level of crapness at Liverpool.
you can check back through my post history, i've never had a good word to say about him.
if we saw the best of Downing last year, then his best is overated hype in my view,
i do agree with you re N'zog though, he has been patheticaly useless for most of the season, although the last few games there has been some improvment, however the one small crumb of comfort that i hold out for with N'Zog is that his best for Wigan i believe is better than Downings best for Villa [last season] so if both players ever play again to there maximum, then we have the better player.
Completely agree, and he never looked like a 12m player for us let alone a 20m+ player.
Never rated him, maybe he should move to Celtic might look good up there.
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Who are we trying to kid? Downing's a good player who I'd much rather still have in our side. This thread stinks of sour grapes. It's not as if N'Zogbia's been any better for us than Downing's been for Liverpool.
Defo not sour grapes from me. He just pissed me off for saying how he loved the club and wanted to sign a new deal and then suddenly changing his mind and going to LFC where he has been piss poor (thats the bit i love). Liverpool hate him and cant believe they paid £20m for him. One fan at my work place even said if he were manager of LFC that he would pay us to take him back. Like they say, the grass isn't always greener on the other side. He can make it at clubs on our level and to a certain extent can be forgiven for making mistakes in games but at clubs like LFC and Man Utd etc, they are not so forgiving.
He is a C**t and im glad he is pants at LFC. Even Tim Howard has got more goals than him lol
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Downing was quality all season fro us last year.
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I'm with john e on Downing (and anything else really).
I couldn't stand the scrote.
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He played reasonably well in a Villa side that was pretty shite for most of the season. No more, no less.
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Superb at bringing the ball forward. Not much else after.
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Superb at bringing the ball forward. Not much else after.
Agree mostly.
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Perhaps the only player I would be happy to see get a career ending injury. Fuck off
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Some people are pathetic.
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Will join Sunderland in 18 months for a cool £5m.
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Liked him as a player for us, but they way he left I hope he has some un-fortunate mis-hap.
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Downing was quality all season fro us last year.
He did well until Christmas (5 goals in 17 games up til that point) then did fuck all after Christmas. Half a decent season for someone who cost us £12m was pathetic. I'm just delighted Kenny came-a-calling with his comedy cheque book because £20m was an absolute steal for us!
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I take the opposite view to most, players are not fans or supporters they're in the game to make as much money as they can and play for the best club they can. Downing is on more money at Liverpool and they are (and i choke when i say this) a bigger club. Just like Ash Young Downing will not be at his chosen club for long, they are now little fish in a big pond and will be found wanting.
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Will join Sunderland in 18 months for a cool £5m.
Top predicting there if I might say so. Think you may well be spot on
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I can't help thinking that Dalglish only signed him because he had no chance of getting Ash.
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Downing right from the outset bothered me, decent player, but his opening line when he joined Villa was all about Boro, how he loved them, how he would badly miss playing for them and how he would dearly love to return there and play for them again one day.
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Will join Sunderland in 18 months for a cool £5m.
I reckon the summer..........
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Downing right from the outset bothered me, decent player, but his opening line when he joined Villa was all about Boro, how he loved them, how he would badly miss playing for them and how he would dearly love to return there and play for them again one day.
Which is what Ian Taylor would've said too if we sold him at his peak.
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Perhaps the only player I would be happy to see get a career ending injury. Fuck off
Even for him that is abit much, especially with his such good form and love in from his current fans. I want him to be playing as much as possible.
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Downing right from the outset bothered me, decent player, but his opening line when he joined Villa was all about Boro, how he loved them, how he would badly miss playing for them and how he would dearly love to return there and play for them again one day.
Which is what Ian Taylor would've said too if we sold him at his peak.
Yes but we didn't, he didn't but Downing did, and the other point is would we have sold Taylor in his prime and would Taylor have gone, that's the simple answer.
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Some people are pathetic.
I wouldn't say pathetic, just a bit crap and light in the tackle.
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Coming soon to a thread on RAWK................."Liverpool boos disappoint Liverpool's Stewart Downing"
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I take the opposite view to most, players are not fans or supporters they're in the game to make as much money as they can and play for the best club they can. Downing is on more money at Liverpool and they are (and i choke when i say this) a bigger club. Just like Ash Young Downing will not be at his chosen club for long, they are now little fish in a big pond and will be found wanting.
Have to disagree, look how much Man Ure are missing Ash at the moment.
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Some people are pathetic.
I agree entirely, being superbly paid by a club whilst your leg is in plaster then fucking off as soon as another club comes in. Pathetic,
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To Mr Downing.
If the treatment you received from Villa fans disappointed you, have a think about how much you disappointed Villa fans.
Yours
Disappointed Villa Fan
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I take the opposite view to most, players are not fans or supporters they're in the game to make as much money as they can and play for the best club they can. Downing is on more money at Liverpool and they are (and i choke when i say this) a bigger club. Just like Ash Young Downing will not be at his chosen club for long, they are now little fish in a big pond and will be found wanting.
Have to disagree, look how much Man Ure are missing Ash at the moment.
Are they though? Wasn't he dropped for Valencia before he got injured?
The only thing Man U are missing is Rooney's form of a few seasons ago, A decent defense and a keeper of Van de Sarr's ability.
Neither Ash or Downing have really lived up to their price tags so far. Ash would be viewed as average, Downing...very disappointing.
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Some people are pathetic.
I wouldn't say pathetic, just a bit crap and light in the tackle.
Best post of the year so far!
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Coming soon to a thread on RAWK.
I got banned from there.
Deluded twats.
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I'm guessing that them being delusional had nothing to do with it.
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I don't particularly wish evil on ex-players. As others have said they're not fans and are just trying to make the best of their short careers. However for the sake of aston villa I am quite enjoying Ash, Downing's and to a lesser extent Milner's recent struggles.
If they're not careful they'll miss euro2012 as they're hardly the form players at the moment. In the future our current players will realise this and not be quite so hasty to jump ship.
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Coming soon to a thread on RAWK.
I got banned from there.
Deluded twats.
I would imagine if you went on another club's forum and mentioned them in the same breath as deluded twats you might have encountered difficulties.
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Coming soon to a thread on RAWK.
I got banned from there.
Deluded twats.
I would imagine if you went on another club's forum and mentioned them in the same breath as deluded twats you might have encountered difficulties.
My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
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I don't do animosity towards ex players generally, and I find the vitriol towards Downing especially difficult to understand. He was a good, but not exceptional player who was and still is replaceable. We got way more for him than he was worth, so in my book he did us a favour by fooking off. Doubly so as he is contributing to Liverpool's under whelming performances. Players come, players go, get over it.
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I don't do animosity towards ex players generally, and I find the vitriol towards Downing especially difficult to understand. He was a good, but not exceptional player who was and still is replaceable. We got way more for him than he was worth, so in my book he did us a favour by fooking off. Doubly so as he is contributing to Liverpool's under whelming performances. Players come, players go, get over it.
1) How he's playing at Liverpool has no relevance.
2) Downing was signed by MON when injured, so Villa took a risk and also paid him to recuperate - in fact this turned out to be a whole season as when he 'came back' at Christmas 2009, he was crap and only started to play for us in reality until his second season ( 2010/11), so he used us.
3) He is a great user of the ball, a player who could be the provider of goals to a predicator like Benty and this showed while he was at the club.
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i see the weasel scored his first for Lpool yesterday. Yes he is well capable of slamming the 5th against very inferior opposition when therte is no pressure at all.
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Apparently he was arrested for assault last night. Fight in a pub in Yarm.
Absolutely unbelievable, I know...
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His ex-girlfriend, possibly. Sounds much more likely.
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Apparently he was arrested for assault last night. Fight in a pub in Yarm.
Absolutely unbelievable, I know...
I've just heard the same thing but was told it was a domestic incident whilst he was out.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083816/Liverpool-star-Stewart-Downing-arrested-punching-ex-girlfriend-nightclub.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
England footballer Stewart Downing arrested after claim he punched his ex-girlfriend during row in nightclub
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What a lovely club Liverpool must be to support at the moment.
IF (and I mean if) he hit a woman, then he is more of a piece of shit scumbag than I thought he was.
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Good to see the influence of his drinking partner Andy Carroll rubbing off on him. Does the story go on to tell us that despite throwing a punch at his girlfriend she ended up battering him?
So now they can add domestic abuse to being racists as honours they have picked up this season. What a lovely club. I have no doubt King Kenny will blame the girl.
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I'm surpised he did'nt bottle out of it.
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This can't be true. I can't believe Downing could find the courage to strike a wet stick of celery, never mind a member of the opposite sex.
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Hopefully he rots in prison for a couple of months.
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What a horrible club.
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No doubt they will all be wearing t-shirts in support of Downing. Liverpool love to think the world is against them and play the poor victim so well.
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I'm expecting an incomprehensible statement from 'king Kenny, saying how she was "bigger than Stewart" and "deserved all she got".
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What a horrible club.
Exactly!!
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I don't do animosity towards ex players generally, and I find the vitriol towards Downing especially difficult to understand. He was a good, but not exceptional player who was and still is replaceable. We got way more for him than he was worth, so in my book he did us a favour by fooking off. Doubly so as he is contributing to Liverpool's under whelming performances. Players come, players go, get over it.
1) How he's playing at Liverpool has no relevance.
2) Downing was signed by MON when injured, so Villa took a risk and also paid him to recuperate - in fact this turned out to be a whole season as when he 'came back' at Christmas 2009, he was crap and only started to play for us in reality until his second season ( 2010/11), so he used us.
3) He is a great user of the ball, a player who could be the provider of goals to a predicator like Benty and this showed while he was at the club.
1) It does to me it amuses me no end that he's been shit for them because I really don't like Liverpool.
2) It was MON's choice to sign an injured player, not Downing's.
3) There are plenty of players at least as good as him around, and 20 million is more than enough to have signed one of them. In fact just the profit we made on him should have been enough. The fact that we didn't is, again, not his fault.
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He started it, punching his ex-missus.
But, it was a rabbit punch, and she finished it by smashing his fucking face in afterwards.
Well, we could hope.
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My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
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I wonder if the victim of the assault claims to have been "bitch slapped."
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My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
Thinly veiled anti Irish crap. Give it a rest.
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I presumed that was meant in a Patridge-esque sense, non?
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Thinly veiled anti Irish crap. Give it a rest.
Oh, come on. It's a joke. And one that if you live in the north west you'd have heard lots of times before. I even seem to remember a version of it being used on Brookside back in the day.
Edit: It wasn't Brookside, it was The Lakes, the TV series of the late 90s written by Jimmy McGovern, a Liverpudlian and - perhaps more to the point - judging from the surname, a man with his own Irish ancestry.
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Thinly veiled anti Irish crap. Give it a rest.
Oh, come on. It's a joke. And one that if you live in the north west you'd have heard lots of times before. I even seem to remember a version of it being used on Brookside back in the day.
Edit: It wasn't Brookside, it was The Lakes, the TV series of the late 90s written by Jimmy McGovern, a Liverpudlian and - perhaps more to the point - judging from the surname, a man with his own Irish ancestry.
I bet some of your best friends are Irish.
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Any details on the punch Downing dished out in the night club? I bet it was not quite Lennox Lewis style!
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Joking aside, its an absolute disgrace. A fully-grown man hitting a woman with her own handbag. I would hope they throw the book at him, but he'll only jump out of the way.
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If she'd just had the sense to dress up as a full-back, there's no way in the world he'd have even gone near her.
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Funny how quick these jokes go around online ;D
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My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
Bloody hell. I don't care much for the the football team, but you're on dodgy ground there unless I've totally misunderstood your post.
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Bloody hell. I don't care much for the the football team, but you're on dodgy ground there unless I've totally misunderstood your post.
Reply #122 explains.
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Bloody hell. I don't care much for the the football team, but you're on dodgy ground there unless I've totally misunderstood your post.
Reply #122 explains.
No it doesn't. He wouldn't come out with such stereotypical crap if it was aimed at black people.
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I presumed that was meant in a Patridge-esque sense, non?
I thought so too.
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Apparently at the next game, the Liverpool players are all going to come onto the pitch with specially-designed Downing handbags.
Free the Lightweight One.
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Bloody hell. I don't care much for the the football team, but you're on dodgy ground there unless I've totally misunderstood your post.
Reply #122 explains.
No it doesn't. He wouldn't come out with such stereotypical crap if it was aimed at black people.
(http://www.paulynramirez.com/wp-content/uploads/image/worldssmallestviolin.gif)
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Apparently punching your ex-girlfriend isn't considered offensive where he comes from! ;)
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Middlesbrough?
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Hehehehehe
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Joking aside, its an absolute disgrace. A fully-grown man hitting a woman with her own handbag. I would hope they throw the book at him, but he'll only jump out of the way.
I know. Typical Downing.
He surely should have hit her with his own handbag!
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Sorry I don't buy it. If you told me that Downing's ex was a paper bag, I'd still expect him to come off 2nd best.
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I don't know why , but every time i see Downing on the tv i keep muttering "wanker", and hope someone really clatters him when hes playing.
I can't remember feeling like this towards any other of our ex-players, even Yorkie, or Southgate etc.Thers something about the whole Downing transfer that really gets up my nose.
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I think it's his rat face. Even when he played for us I always thought he had a very punchable face.
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Apparently punching your ex-girlfriend isn't considered offensive where he comes from! ;)
Where he comes from you'd better get the first punch in ahead of the girls.
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Scandalous suggestions here.
I am doubtful about the Downing allegations, apparently she fell onto his fist ,which was in itself an "affectionate and friendly" gesture, and she was planted by the FA.
Also cultural differences are not being allowed for. On Teeside men hit women all the time - and nothing is meant by it.
And when was the last time he hit the target?
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Apparently his defence is that he hasnt beat anyone for a long time
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Liverpool Echo.... Echo...... Echo
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/01/08/liverpool-fc-s-stewart-downing-arrested-on-suspicion-of-assault-100252-30082357/
Daily Heil http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2083829/Stewart-Downing-arrested-allegedly-punching-ex-girlfriend.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
It is claimed that Downing assaulted his ex-partner, with whom he is thought to have a child, after rowing with her while drinking at the Cross Keys club on Yarm High Street.
A local source told the Mail Online that there had been an incident between the two of them.
'She went over to one of his friends and said something that she shouldn't have,' the source said.
'He butted in and they were arguing.' It's then that the source alleged that he hit her.
The source continued: 'Police got there as they were thrown out. He caused a scene outside the club as well, when he realised they were going to take him in.'
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'She went over to one of his friends and said something that she shouldn't have,'
"He reminded me of an effeminate Tim Henman the way he celebrated his goal last night"?
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Coming soon to a thread on RAWK.
I got banned from there.
Deluded twats.
I would imagine if you went on another club's forum and mentioned them in the same breath as deluded twats you might have encountered difficulties.
My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
I don't think they generally are. Here's my theory: A little while back they had a handful of frustrated fans who seemed hell bent on manufacturing a Barcelona-esque separartist kind of vibe around the club: "Scouse not English". The problem they had in inventing this mythology of a separate identity for Scousers was that it didn't quite tally in with the yards and yards of footage of old Liverpool European campaigns that featured their fans proudly flying Union Jacks and such like. I think the fundamental problem with their core fan-base is that they are collectively insecure and desperately crave the spotlight and a special identity. Why this is I have no idea.
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So those pictures from the summer of Carroll and Downing being bessy drinking mates were genuine. Where else would you go to pick up the best habits and life lessons? Good old Judas doing the red shirt proud.
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If he hit her, did she go flying over the bar?
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My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
I do hope that diatribe was in jest
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My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
I do hope that diatribe was in jest
are you fucking joking?
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Please ignore my previous post, should have read further and not been so touchy :-)
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My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
I do hope that diatribe was in jest
are you fucking joking?
Who are you asking?
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My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
I do hope that diatribe was in jest
are you fucking joking?
Who are you asking?
top deck. Whether that was in jest or not it isnt on!
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My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
I do hope that diatribe was in jest
are you fucking joking?
If that's a real question, you could read what he said about it subsequently
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top deck. Whether that was in jest or not it isnt on!
Sorry. You're absolutely right. Jokes about work-shy Scousers are sooo 1980s.
File alongside nicking your wheels and holding a minute's silence at every opportunity.
Of course you won't find any of those stereotypes on either this or the Suarez thread. No, sir. After all we've got a new one: all Scousers are racist.
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top deck. Whether that was in jest or not it isnt on!
Sorry. You're absolutely right. Jokes about work-shy Scousers is sooo 1980s.
File alongside nicking you're wheels and holding a minute's silence at every opportunity.
Of course you won't find any of those stereotypes on either this or the Suarez thread. No, sir. After all we've got a new one: all Scousers are racist.
Bit of a generalization there old chap.
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Villanation, I know. Just as a joke that links the large Irish heritage and the supposed benefit culture of the city is a bit of a generalisation. A joke which, I'll repeat, I've heard told in a city with its own large Irish community - Manchester - so I guess is more a comment on the latter rather than the former; as well as being used in the work of a Liverpudlian playwright.
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top deck. Whether that was in jest or not it isnt on!
Sorry. You're absolutely right. Jokes about work-shy Scousers are sooo 1980s.
File alongside nicking your wheels and holding a minute's silence at every opportunity.
Of course you won't find any of those stereotypes on either this or the Suarez thread. No, sir. After all we've got a new one: all Scousers are racist.
Was it a joke about work shy scousers? Had a lot of Irish this and Irish that in it which is what I thought most people were commenting about.
And as for pointing out it was in the work of Jimmy McGovern, are you sure he wasn't highlighting it as an issue. I don't know, I never saw that show but his other works normally came with certain tones to raise issues.
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The point of the joke - as I understand it - is that people left Ireland in their droves to escape poverty and hunger and went to all corners of Great Britain and USA and probably elsewhere too. Many though got off the boat on the other side of the Irish Sea and, for no doubt what at the time were perfectly legitimate reasons, chose to settle in Liverpool. However, from the standpoint of now you could say that they were the ones that couldn't be bothered to haul themselves on to Manchester, London, New York or Boston and, as such, set the tone for the stereotype work-shy Scouser of today.
I'm sorry if some people are offended, but I actually think it's a joke that pokes fun at a certain mentality as oppose to laughing at the Irish in general or the horrific conditions of the 1840s onwards that forced their migration.
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The thing is that there are racial and cultural stereo types
Its like saying to the Germans dont worry about the detail or latins dont do tomorrow what can be done today or to the English the dress code is smart casual, it goes on.
Bit of a sense of humour bypass, you are ok by me TopDeck
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Bloody hell. I don't care much for the the football team, but you're on dodgy ground there unless I've totally misunderstood your post.
Reply #122 explains.
Does it? Repeating jokes isn't much of an excuse is it?
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Definitely not guilty the "man" has no fight in him whatsoever.
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My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
You fucking racist wanker...
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My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
You fucking racist wanker...
Honestly, is there really any need?
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Nope. For either.
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As far as I can tell he's being insulting about nobody other than Scousers.
And there's the best part of a forty page thread of people doing that in the other forum if you want to go and get really indignant Fergal.
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Fergal I think it was meant tongue in cheek playing on a regional stereotype.
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Is she black?
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Fergal I think it was meant tongue in cheek playing on a regional stereotype.
Well I probably overreacted a bit... The stresses of a long few days dealing with some very unpleasant shite.
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As far as I can tell he's being insulting about nobody other than Scousers.
And there's the best part of a forty page thread of people doing that in the other forum if you want to go and get really indignant Fergal.
I think to be fair to Rob, it's clumsily worded. If the object of the joke is to poke fun at Scousers by saying that they're descended from Irish people who didn't travel very far, well that's just about OK I suppose. It's the "right, where's the dole office" bit that I think tips it over into being offensive, as if the Irish people were only travelling anywhere to claim dole. But I'm sure it wasn't Topdeck's intention to cause any offence. He should know about being a work shy scrounger anyway, the public sector striking leech! ;)
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You've got me sussed, Risso. Although I'm finally back in school tomorrow... for a training day!
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As far as I can tell he's being insulting about nobody other than Scousers.
And there's the best part of a forty page thread of people doing that in the other forum if you want to go and get really indignant Fergal.
I think to be fair to Rob, it's clumsily worded. If the object of the joke is to poke fun at Scousers by saying that they're descended from Irish people who didn't travel very far, well that's just about OK I suppose. It's the "right, where's the dole office" bit that I think tips it over into being offensive, as if the Irish people were only travelling anywhere to claim dole. But I'm sure it wasn't Topdeck's intention to cause any offence. He should know about being a work shy scrounger anyway, the public sector striking leech! ;)
What you saying about the public sector workforce, you c..........
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So are the Irish who managed to drag themselves all the way to Birmingham, work shy too?
I know some English people who can barely haul themselves off the sofa to sign on never mind go to another country.
It's not really a very good joke is it as you'll probably find that the majority of the Irish came to find work not benefits and did some of the shittiest jobs going.
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So are the Irish who managed to drag themselves all the way to Birmingham, work shy too?
Quite obviously not, otherwise the joke wouldn't work.
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Is she black?
One of her eyes is.
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Is she black?
One of her eyes is.
Very good.
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So are the Irish who managed to drag themselves all the way to Birmingham, work shy too?
Quite obviously not, otherwise the joke wouldn't work.
It doesn't anyway
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You've got me sussed, Risso. Although I'm finally back in school tomorrow... for a training day!
As far as I can tell he's being insulting about nobody other than Scousers.
And there's the best part of a forty page thread of people doing that in the other forum if you want to go and get really indignant Fergal.
Did you miss the part about the work shy lazy Irish who just came over here to sign on then?
As I said earlier, that post wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes on here if the same stereotypes were spouted about black people.
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You've got me sussed, Risso. Although I'm finally back in school tomorrow... for a training day!
As far as I can tell he's being insulting about nobody other than Scousers.
And there's the best part of a forty page thread of people doing that in the other forum if you want to go and get really indignant Fergal.
Did you miss the part about the work shy lazy Irish who just came over here to sign on then?
Obviously, because that bit didn't exist and is just something that you have misunderstood.
The point is that there are lots of Irish people who emigrate all over the world. Happy so far? The majority of them go to look for work and end up all over the place. Still with me?
Those who don't want to work are the ones who get no further than Liverpool (where lots of boats docked), thus giving us the stereotype of the work-shy scouser. Nothing offensive towards Irish people, a fairly typical dig against Liverpudlians.
It's clearly not a particularly funny joke though if it needs this much explaining.
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Just to add to the stereotyping going on, Downing looks to me like the kind of man that wouldn't risk hitting a man. Or a man that might hit him back, more to the point.
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You've got me sussed, Risso. Although I'm finally back in school tomorrow... for a training day!
As far as I can tell he's being insulting about nobody other than Scousers.
And there's the best part of a forty page thread of people doing that in the other forum if you want to go and get really indignant Fergal.
Did you miss the part about the work shy lazy Irish who just came over here to sign on then?
Obviously, because that bit didn't exist and is just something that you have misunderstood.
The point is that there are lots of Irish people who emigrate all over the world. Happy so far? The majority of them go to look for work and end up all over the place. Still with me?
Those who don't want to work are the ones who get no further than Liverpool (where lots of boats docked), thus giving us the stereotype of the work-shy scouser. Nothing offensive towards Irish people, a fairly typical dig against Liverpudlians.
It's clearly not a particularly funny joke though if it needs this much explaining.
Jon Bon Jesus, thank fuck for that.
Finally, finally, there's no reason for not understanding what he said.
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Just to add to the stereotyping going on, Downing looks to me like the kind of man that wouldn't risk hitting a man. Or a man that might hit him back, more to the point.
A trait frequently found in men who hit women.
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I reckon some Scousers have been on this site and nicked a few sense of humours.
*innocent whistly*
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You've got me sussed, Risso. Although I'm finally back in school tomorrow... for a training day!
As far as I can tell he's being insulting about nobody other than Scousers.
And there's the best part of a forty page thread of people doing that in the other forum if you want to go and get really indignant Fergal.
Did you miss the part about the work shy lazy Irish who just came over here to sign on then?
Obviously, because that bit didn't exist and is just something that you have misunderstood.
The point is that there are lots of Irish people who emigrate all over the world. Happy so far? The majority of them go to look for work and end up all over the place. Still with me?
Those who don't want to work are the ones who get no further than Liverpool (where lots of boats docked), thus giving us the stereotype of the work-shy scouser. Nothing offensive towards Irish people, a fairly typical dig against Liverpudlians.
It's clearly not a particularly funny joke though if it needs this much explaining.
Oh bullshit. He was stereotyping the Irish. Please don't try and excuse him by claiming he was only talking about the Irish who settled in Liverpool like they were a different breed of Irish. That's like claiming the blacks who settled in Handsworth were a different breed to the blacks who settled in Sutton Coldfield.
Offensive stereotyping. No excuses.
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Crikey, does it really need all this self rightous indignation. You want to try being English in Australia, being labelled a whinger, work shy, not bathing and having poor denistry is a regular occurance. You just get on with it as 99% is in jest and you give it back whenever you can.
As for Downing, sums him up really. If he's going to go around hitting women then i'm even more glad he's out of the Club. 20 million, what a steal (with no pun intended against our Liverpudlian cousins ofcourse).
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*smacks forehead*
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Crikey, does it really need all this self rightous indignation. You want to try being English in Australia, being labelled a whinger, work shy, not bathing and having poor denistry is a regular occurance. You just get on with it as 99% is in jest and you give it back whenever you can.
As for Downing, sums him up really. If he's going to go around hitting women then i'm even more glad he's out of the Club. 20 million, what a steal (with no pun intended against our Liverpudlian cousins ofcourse).
If we all still thought the way you did they'd still be signs in B&Bs saying, 'no blacks, no dogs, no Irish'.
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Oh bullshit. He was stereotyping the Irish. Please don't try and excuse him by claiming he was only talking about the Irish who settled in Liverpool like they were a different breed of Irish. That's like claiming the blacks who settled in Handsworth were a different breed to the blacks who settled in Sutton Coldfield.
Offensive stereotyping. No excuses.
Are you pretending to be slow on the uptake, or genuinely actually that dim?
Here's what he said, again. Read it nice and slowly and try to understand it one more time, then see if you can work out how that is "stereotyping the Irish"
if he's having a pop at anyone, it is Scousers. Which seems to be fair play, as even the most cursory of glances on this site would reveal.
One more time. Try and get it this time.
He's saying this:
- lots of irish people left Ireland to get away from poverty and improve their lives (which isn't a negative thing)
- Liverpool (large Irish population, geographically the first port of call) consists of those who couldn't be arsed to go any further - unlike, say, those who went on to the US.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
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Crikey, does it really need all this self rightous indignation.
Only if you're so terminally thick as to not understand what he was actually saying.
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*smacks forehead*
Yes, how dare anyone take offence at an anti Irish post. It's only a joke after all.
The nerve!
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*smacks forehead*
Yes, how dare anyone take offence at an anti Irish post. It's only a joke after all.
The nerve!
I think you'll find that if he had made an anti-Irish, or indeed anti-any nationality post he would have been pulled up on it immediately. That's what we do on this site.
The only reason that he hasn't is because he hasn't made one. In spite of how hopelessly you have interpreted it.
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Oh bullshit. He was stereotyping the Irish. Please don't try and excuse him by claiming he was only talking about the Irish who settled in Liverpool like they were a different breed of Irish. That's like claiming the blacks who settled in Handsworth were a different breed to the blacks who settled in Sutton Coldfield.
Offensive stereotyping. No excuses.
Are you pretending to be slow on the uptake, or genuinely actually that dim?
Here's what he said, again. Read it nice and slowly and try to understand it one more time, then see if you can work out how that is "stereotyping the Irish"
if he's having a pop at anyone, it is Scousers. Which seems to be fair play, as even the most cursory of glances on this site would reveal.
One more time. Try and get it this time.
He's saying this:
- lots of irish people left Ireland to get away from poverty and improve their lives (which isn't a negative thing)
- Liverpool (large Irish population, geographically the first port of call) consists of those who couldn't be arsed to go any further - unlike, say, those who went on to the US.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
The usual condescending bullshit from our resident smarmy mod.
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*smacks forehead*
Yes, how dare anyone take offence at an anti Irish post. It's only a joke after all.
The nerve!
I think you'll find that if he had made an anti-Irish, or indeed anti-any nationality post he would have been pulled up on it immediately. That's what we do on this site.
The only reason that he hasn't is because he hasn't made one. In spite of how hopelessly you have interpreted it.
Quite a few posters have taken issue with the post, not just me. Perhaps it's you and your fellow mods who have so hopelessly interpreted it?
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Nope, it definitely isn't.
As the original poster has confirmed. In fact, as the English language confirms by reading his post properly.
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And all those who thought the Irish are a bit slow on the uptake bejesus
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Nope, it definitely isn't.
As the original poster has confirmed. In fact, as the English language confirms by reading his post properly.
You should have worked on Suarez's defence.
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Oh bullshit. He was stereotyping the Irish. Please don't try and excuse him by claiming he was only talking about the Irish who settled in Liverpool like they were a different breed of Irish. That's like claiming the blacks who settled in Handsworth were a different breed to the blacks who settled in Sutton Coldfield.
Offensive stereotyping. No excuses.
Are you pretending to be slow on the uptake, or genuinely actually that dim?
Here's what he said, again. Read it nice and slowly and try to understand it one more time, then see if you can work out how that is "stereotyping the Irish"
if he's having a pop at anyone, it is Scousers. Which seems to be fair play, as even the most cursory of glances on this site would reveal.
One more time. Try and get it this time.
He's saying this:
- lots of irish people left Ireland to get away from poverty and improve their lives (which isn't a negative thing)
- Liverpool (large Irish population, geographically the first port of call) consists of those who couldn't be arsed to go any further - unlike, say, those who went on to the US.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
The usual condescending bullshit from our resident smarmy mod.
It's hard not to be condescending to someone so utterly fucking slow on the uptake.
I don't have any hidden agenda re protecting the original poster, and am as tough as any other mod on the racism issue.
It's just that you've had it explained to you about 5 times now, and you still don't seem to have understood it.
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incidentally, he even explained the origins of what he said - paraphrased from a drama written by scouser of irish descent Jimmy McGovern.
If you've realised you've got it massively wrong and are just trying to save face, nod twice and we'll understand.
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Nope, it definitely isn't.
As the original poster has confirmed. In fact, as the English language confirms by reading his post properly.
Just the thick micks who dont get the joke. Apparently it is confirmed by all and sundry above
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Oh bullshit. He was stereotyping the Irish. Please don't try and excuse him by claiming he was only talking about the Irish who settled in Liverpool like they were a different breed of Irish. That's like claiming the blacks who settled in Handsworth were a different breed to the blacks who settled in Sutton Coldfield.
Offensive stereotyping. No excuses.
Are you pretending to be slow on the uptake, or genuinely actually that dim?
Here's what he said, again. Read it nice and slowly and try to understand it one more time, then see if you can work out how that is "stereotyping the Irish"
if he's having a pop at anyone, it is Scousers. Which seems to be fair play, as even the most cursory of glances on this site would reveal.
One more time. Try and get it this time.
He's saying this:
- lots of irish people left Ireland to get away from poverty and improve their lives (which isn't a negative thing)
- Liverpool (large Irish population, geographically the first port of call) consists of those who couldn't be arsed to go any further - unlike, say, those who went on to the US.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
The usual condescending bullshit from our resident smarmy mod.
It's hard not to be condescending to someone so utterly fucking slow on the uptake.
I don't have any hidden agenda re protecting the original poster, and am as tough as any other mod on the racism issue.
It's just that you've had it explained to you about 5 times now, and you still don't seem to have understood it.
I don't accept your explanation, I don't agree with it. Does your ego allow anyone to disagree with you without you resorting to your usual aggressive, smug and sarcastic manner?
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Nope, it definitely isn't.
As the original poster has confirmed. In fact, as the English language confirms by reading his post properly.
Just the thick micks who dont get the joke. Apparently it is confirmed by all and sundry above
Agreed. How dare anyone take issue with such stereotyping. The mods have confirmed it wasn't offensive. Who are we to argue?
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Of course it does.
The problem is, you've quite clearly failed to understand what the poster said. It's not difficult.
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For Crying out Loud, it may not be comfortable to accept that the culture of Liverpool is different from the rest of England and the reasons behind that culture is historic, but unless you are able to give a different explanation, just calling the mods aggresive and smug does not help your arguement
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Of course it does.
The problem is, you've quite clearly failed to understand what the poster said. It's not difficult.
Again I have to inform you that I don't agree with your explanation. I found it offensive and so have a few others on here. The original posters can hide behind as many quotes from McGovern as he likes. It won't wash with me.
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Mods - I'm sorry that what was meant to be a light-hearted, if perhaps ill-worded quip has caused you so much grief. I've tried to explain the origin and my interpretation - which has been said rather spoils a joke.
To those who've taken offence - there was none intended, except to people from Liverpool.
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For Crying out Loud, it may not be comfortable to accept that the culture of Liverpool is different from the rest of England and the reasons behind that culture is historic, but unless you are able to give a different explanation, just calling the mods aggresive and smug does not help your arguement
And neither does it help mods who resort to aggression and insults because someone dares to disagree with them.
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No, logic and sense don't seem to either.
Anyway, Stewart Downing anybody?
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saunders_heroes, FWIW you're coming across to me as someone who has taken offence at a post, which you're perfectly entitled to, but won't rest until you have validation by all other posters that your offence is justified.
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Mods - I'm sorry that what was meant to be a light-hearted, if perhaps ill-worded quip has caused you so much grief. I've tried to explain the origin and my interpretation - which has been said rather spoils a joke.
To those who've taken offence - there was none intended, except to people from Liverpool.
An apology to our Irish posters wouldn't go amiss either.
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For Crying out Loud, it may not be comfortable to accept that the culture of Liverpool is different from the rest of England and the reasons behind that culture is historic, but unless you are able to give a different explanation, just calling the mods aggresive and smug does not help your arguement
And neither does it help mods who resort to aggression and insults because someone dares to disagree with them.
"that post wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes if it had been aimed at black people" - that's what you said.
We get a bit annoyed when people suggest we've got double standards on racism. Especially when it is quite clearly a case of someone diving into a thread, having not really read what was posted before, and so thoroughly getting the wrong end of the stick.
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An apology to our Irish posters wouldn't go amiss either.
Seriously, give it a rest.
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Mods - I'm sorry that what was meant to be a light-hearted, if perhaps ill-worded quip has caused you so much grief. I've tried to explain the origin and my interpretation - which has been said rather spoils a joke.
To those who've taken offence - there was none intended, except to people from Liverpool.
An apology to our Irish posters wouldn't go amiss either.
Isn't that the same thing, he has apologised to all posters hasn't he?
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Just to add to the stereotyping going on, Downing looks to me like the kind of man that wouldn't risk hitting a man. Or a man that might hit him back, more to the point.
A trait frequently found in men who hit women.
And Irish people.
Or is it just Irish people who live in Liverpool? I'm very confused.
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For Crying out Loud, it may not be comfortable to accept that the culture of Liverpool is different from the rest of England and the reasons behind that culture is historic, but unless you are able to give a different explanation, just calling the mods aggresive and smug does not help your arguement
And neither does it help mods who resort to aggression and insults because someone dares to disagree with them.
Then give another explanation as to why the culture of Liverpool is different
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I didn't get it, at first it came across as saying all Irish are lazy. I've not heard the joke before and as Dave said if it needs explaining it's not very funny. Or I'm just terminally thick like Risso and a few others.
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saunders_heroes, FWIW you're coming across to me as someone who has taken offence at a post, which you're perfectly entitled to, but won't rest until you have validation by all other posters that your offence is justified.
Because I found it insulting, that's why. My parents came over to Birmingham and an aunt and uncle went to Liverpool from ireland in the 1950s, and they worked their fuckin nuts off from the moment they arrived in their teens till they retired in their late 60s. They put up with absolute filth from ignorant morons in this country for years. Thankfully those days are over with, yet you still occasionally read crap like what's been posted on here tonight.
Apparently I'm not allowed to be offended though, according to some though.
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saunders_heroes, FWIW you're coming across to me as someone who has taken offence at a post, which you're perfectly entitled to, but won't rest until you have validation by all other posters that your offence is justified.
Because I found it insulting, that's why. My parents came over to Birmingham and an aunt and uncle went to Liverpool from ireland in the 1950s, and they worked their fuckin nuts off from the moment they arrived in their teens till they retired in their late 60s. They put up with absolute filth from ignorant morons in this country for years. Thankfully those days are over with, yet you still occasionally read crap like what's been posted on here tonight.
Apparently I'm not allowed to be offended though, according to some though.
So are you insulted or offended?
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saunders_heroes, FWIW you're coming across to me as someone who has taken offence at a post, which you're perfectly entitled to, but won't rest until you have validation by all other posters that your offence is justified.
Because I found it insulting, that's why. My parents came over to Birmingham and an aunt and uncle went to Liverpool from ireland in the 1950s, and they worked their fuckin nuts off from the moment they arrived in their teens till they retired in their late 60s. They put up with absolute filth from ignorant morons in this country for years. Thankfully those days are over with, yet you still occasionally read crap like what's been posted on here tonight.
Apparently I'm not allowed to be offended though, according to some though.
So are you insulted or offended?
And on behalf of Irish people or Scousers?
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Mods - I'm sorry that what was meant to be a light-hearted, if perhaps ill-worded quip has caused you so much grief. I've tried to explain the origin and my interpretation - which has been said rather spoils a joke.
To those who've taken offence - there was none intended, except to people from Liverpool.
An apology to our Irish posters wouldn't go amiss either.
Isn't that the same thing, he has apologised to all posters hasn't he?
He apologised to the mods. No one else.
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saunders_heroes, I'm seriously worried about your blood pressure.
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saunders_heroes, FWIW you're coming across to me as someone who has taken offence at a post, which you're perfectly entitled to, but won't rest until you have validation by all other posters that your offence is justified.
Because I found it insulting, that's why. My parents came over to Birmingham and an aunt and uncle went to Liverpool from ireland in the 1950s, and they worked their fuckin nuts off from the moment they arrived in their teens till they retired in their late 60s. They put up with absolute filth from ignorant morons in this country for years. Thankfully those days are over with, yet you still occasionally read crap like what's been posted on here tonight.
Apparently I'm not allowed to be offended though, according to some though.
So are you insulted or offended?
Yea Saunders Heroes, your just like Evra. McGovern wS Irish , Suarez's grandad was Black WhTs your problem? Don't be offended. Just laugh at the jokes. They are funny.
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saunders_heroes, I'm seriously worried about your blood pressure.
I'm not worried about it at all.
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saunders_heroes, FWIW you're coming across to me as someone who has taken offence at a post, which you're perfectly entitled to, but won't rest until you have validation by all other posters that your offence is justified.
Because I found it insulting, that's why. My parents came over to Birmingham and an aunt and uncle went to Liverpool from ireland in the 1950s, and they worked their fuckin nuts off from the moment they arrived in their teens till they retired in their late 60s. They put up with absolute filth from ignorant morons in this country for years. Thankfully those days are over with, yet you still occasionally read crap like what's been posted on here tonight.
Apparently I'm not allowed to be offended though, according to some though.
So are you insulted or offended?
Yea Saunders Heroes, your just like Evra. McGovern wS Irish , Suarez's grandad was Black WhTs your problem? Don't be offended. Just laugh at the jokes. They are funny.
McGovern is racist.Of course he is.
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saunders_heroes, FWIW you're coming across to me as someone who has taken offence at a post, which you're perfectly entitled to, but won't rest until you have validation by all other posters that your offence is justified.
Because I found it insulting, that's why. My parents came over to Birmingham and an aunt and uncle went to Liverpool from ireland in the 1950s, and they worked their fuckin nuts off from the moment they arrived in their teens till they retired in their late 60s. They put up with absolute filth from ignorant morons in this country for years. Thankfully those days are over with, yet you still occasionally read crap like what's been posted on here tonight.
Apparently I'm not allowed to be offended though, according to some though.
So are you insulted or offended?
Yea Saunders Heroes, your just like Evra. McGovern wS Irish , Suarez's grandad was Black WhTs your problem? Don't be offended. Just laugh at the jokes. They are funny.
Yeah, I'm sure his best friend is Irish as well.
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Everyone happy they've had their last word on this ridiculous charade now?
Back to Stewart Downing.
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Mods - I'm sorry that what was meant to be a light-hearted, if perhaps ill-worded quip has caused you so much grief. I've tried to explain the origin and my interpretation - which has been said rather spoils a joke.
To those who've taken offence - there was none intended, except to people from Liverpool.
An apology to our Irish posters wouldn't go amiss either.
Isn't that the same thing, he has apologised to all posters hasn't he?
He apologised to the mods. No one else.
OK: I apologise unreservedly to you, to all Irish citizens who either reside in Eire or elsewhere and to those of Irish decent in whichever part of the GB they live - even Liverpool.
I would also like to apologise for any direct or indirect role my ancestors may have played in the catalogue of woes that is the English involvement in the island of Ireland.
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Mods - I'm sorry that what was meant to be a light-hearted, if perhaps ill-worded quip has caused you so much grief. I've tried to explain the origin and my interpretation - which has been said rather spoils a joke.
To those who've taken offence - there was none intended, except to people from Liverpool.
An apology to our Irish posters wouldn't go amiss either.
Isn't that the same thing, he has apologised to all posters hasn't he?
He apologised to the mods. No one else.
OK: I apologise unreservedly to you, to all Irish citizens who either reside in Eire or elsewhere and to those of Irish decent in whichever part of the GB they live - even Liverpool.
I would also like to apologise for any direct or indirect role my ancestors may have played in the catalogue of woes that is the English involvement in the island of Ireland.
SAY IT LOUDER!
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Mods - I'm sorry that what was meant to be a light-hearted, if perhaps ill-worded quip has caused you so much grief. I've tried to explain the origin and my interpretation - which has been said rather spoils a joke.
To those who've taken offence - there was none intended, except to people from Liverpool.
An apology to our Irish posters wouldn't go amiss either.
Isn't that the same thing, he has apologised to all posters hasn't he?
He apologised to the mods. No one else.
OK: I apologise unreservedly to you, to all Irish citizens who either reside in Eire or elsewhere and to those of Irish decent in whichever part of the GB they live - even Liverpool.
I would also like to apologise for any direct or indirect role my ancestors may have played in the catalogue of woes that is the English involvement in the island of Ireland.
SAY IT LOUDER!
Ha! Such a shit stirrer! As usual.
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I reckon it will all be clearer in the morning.
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A man in his late 20's has been arrested for allegedly punching a woman outside a bar in Yarm, Cleveland after she apparently questioned his tackle.
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I reckon it will all be clearer in the morning.
OKAY MISTER MOD! NIGHT NIGHT!
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Are we all friends yet? Anyway, a quiz question, just for fun. No bloody Googling.
Which celebrity's autobiography is called "No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish"?
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John Lydon! Have you read it? Any good?
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I don't think anybody has ever felt Downing's tackle.
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Are we all friends yet? Anyway, a quiz question, just for fun. No bloody Googling.
Which celebrity's autobiography is called "No Dogs, No Blacks, No Irish"?
Pamela Anderson?
I reckon she'd have taken a canine's length though, so I'm not sure.
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My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
Be it a joke of a misinterpreted comment I, like most Irish on here, found it offensive. Change Irish for black or Muslim and there would have been an even bigger shit storm on here...
Still as Sepp says lets just shake hands and forget it.
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I don't think anybody has ever felt Downing's tackle.
Felt it? I don't think anybody has ever seen his tackle more importantly.
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What a weasel Downing shouldn't hit women no need for it.
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Maybe that's what his ex misses was saying.
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The next time anyone mentions moaning Brummies on here I'm going to start a shitstorm. You wouldn't be able to say that black people or Muslims moan. I'm going to take so much offence, without properly reading or understanding the comment, that an eye will pop out and there will be a lot of spittle. I will abuse the poster and demand a grovelling apology, as it is my right so to do.
Welcome to Britain, 2012, signed, Birmingham-born person of Irish descent.
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The next time anyone mentions moaning Brummies on here I'm going to start a shitstorm. You wouldn't be able to say that black people or Muslims moan. I'm going to take so much offence, without properly reading or understanding the comment, that an eye will pop out and there will be a lot of spittle. I will abuse the poster and demand a grovelling apology, as it is my right so to do.
Welcome to Britain, 2012, signed, Birmingham-born person of Irish descent.
Fuck off you wingeing plastic Irish Brummies. What about the Welsh? You wouldn't dare to call a black person a sheepshagger.
Signed, Birmingham-born person of Welsh descent.
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I forgot to mention my Welsh ancestry.
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I forgot to mention my Welsh ancestry.
Splitter.
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Sharrap you Jewish turd!
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I've heard the contentious theory before, probably in The Lakes. It does insult the Irish who settled in Liverpool, so I can see why some people are upset. On the other hand, it also highlights the work ethic in the Irish who continued their journey furthet than Victimland.
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2012/01/09/liverpool-fc-s-stewart-downing-bailed-after-being-arrested-on-suspicion-of-assault-100252-30082357/
Wonder what T-Shirts they'll be wearing next week?
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"11 Downing - she deserved it".
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Sorry to drag this out but perhaps an alternative theory is that the most dynamic Irish immigrants found work in the first place they landed, and that it was less immediately employable who had to travel further. Of course this would blow our scouse stereotypes, laying them at the door of the Irish, and the word of the apparent authority on the matter, Jimmy McGovern, out of the water, but ho hum.
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Fuck me when did everyone get so precious
I blame Blair for all this "I'm offended shit"
I am totally against rascism and any form of discrimination but the world seems to get its collective knickers in a twist about name calling now - jesus.
Whatever happened to "sticks and stones...."
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I wasn't going to bother but just for a bit of balance: both my grandmothers' were Irish came over to England as teenagers one settled in Birmingham the other in London and both worked hard all their lives. Now, I'm an Englishman married to an Irish woman and living in Ireland for the past twenty-five years and during that time I've been insulted on many occations due in the main to total ignorance. The best insult I ever got was when at work some bloke wanted a spare part and when told the price said that he could get it cheaper in another garage (which he couldn't btw) so I asked him why he didn't go there in the first place he then said to me " there's better than you shot in the North every day" There's no answer to that is there? Another beaut was when someone came in and said "is Jimmy here"? to which I replied "no" he then asked for Benny to which I also replied no he then said withour realising who I was "Fuck it I was told not to deal with that English ****** he knows fuck all" I still laugh at his reaction when I spoke in other than monosylabic terms and he realised that he had been speaking to the English ****** all along. As I said just for balance.
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Fuck me when did everyone get so precious
I blame Blair for all this "I'm offended shit"
I am totally against rascism and any form of discrimination but the world seems to get its collective knickers in a twist about name calling now - jesus.
Whatever happened to "sticks and stones...."
Please don’t blaspheme, it offends me!
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My crime - being an England fan.
I never knew that Liverpool fans/Scousers in general were so anti-England.
Not so much of surprise when most of the population have Irish ancestry.
It also helps explain another Scouse trait: sitting on their arses complaining that life's not giving them a fair crack.
Think about it. For generations the Irish have fled poverty and famine to create world-wide diaspora. Liverpool's population is made from the same gene pool that said at the nearest port of debarkation, "Right that'll do for me. Where's the Dole Office?"
Be it a joke of a misinterpreted comment I, like most Irish on here, found it offensive. Change Irish for black or Muslim and there would have been an even bigger shit storm on here...
Still as Sepp says lets just shake hands and forget it.
But the muslims didn't flee Ireland in search of a better life.
*wink*
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I've heard the contentious theory before, probably in The Lakes. It does insult the Irish who settled in Liverpool, so I can see why some people are upset. On the other hand, it also highlights the work ethic in the Irish who continued their journey furthet than Victimland.
Bingo.
That's the bit which makes it not a slur on the Irish. Far from it, in fact.
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If he hit her, did she go flying over the bar?
This should not be left to go unnoticed.
If it's your own work Lee well done.
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I doubt Downing has a child with that woman he gave Irish sunglasses to. He would have pulled out in plenty of time.
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Top Deck you haven't apologised to English people of Irish descent living outside GB yet. That's me that is. Actually I liked your joke but then my family made it all the way to Brum. However it's nowhere near as funny as the various parodies of outraged Guardian readers. That stuff is near genius.
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Amazigly enough, you're not the only Irish brummie here. Being one doesn't make you right. Everyone has an opinion and mine isn't that I'm outraged, its that I think the original premise is bollocks, even as the basis of a joke. How funny, the laziest Irish people made the present day scousers into workshy scroungers. Yeah I get it now.
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As a 2nd generation Irish man myself, can I just say that I'm outraged and people being outraged by Top Deck's post. So much for the famed Irish sense of humour!
And I doubt Downing hit her. Much more likely he stepped aside and let his fullback deal with her.
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John Lydon! Have you read it? Any good?
Correct, well done Sir. Don't know if it's any good haven't read it. Heard a few years ago they were going to make a film of it but that seems to have died a death.
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Scottish-descended Brummies are the worst. Especially me.
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John Lydon! Have you read it? Any good?
Correct, well done Sir. Don't know if it's any good haven't read it. Heard a few years ago they were going to make a film of it but that seems to have died a death.
I'd certainly recommend it.
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As an Irishman, so imbued with laziness his ancestors never even bothered to leave the country, can I point out that neither myself or Ger, another Irishman, took offence.
We're secure enough in our own work-rate, and in the knowledge we gave Britain the great terry Wogan, to know it was quite clearly a joke!
On a more serious note, Irish football fans tend to associate certain British clubs with traditions of pro and anti-Irish sentiment. Rangers and Celtic are the obvious example but there are others. Man U are associated with Irish immigrant support, Man City as hostile. Villa are seen as the 'Irish club' of Birmingham, Small Heath as hostile. ironically given the evolution of this thread, Everton were always seen as the Irish club of Liverpool, and the bin dippers were, according to Irish emigrants I know, were seen as very hostile until relatively recently. Everton have a big support base in Ireland. Obviously, so do Liverpool but that's mostly of a glory-hunting nature dating to the 1970s and 80s. So, the original post was clearly a joke. It would have been offensive if we were talking about Everton.....:-)
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My ancestors were all agricultural labourers in Herefordshire, Worcestershire, and Gloucestershire before moving to Brum (Aston, most of them) 150 odd years ago.
I can safely say, without offending myself, that they truly were lazy bastards if that's as far as they got (and many of them barely ventured out of Aston).
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Correct, well done Sir. Don't know if it's any good haven't read it. Heard a few years ago they were going to make a film of it but that seems to have died a death.
Shame. RIP.... Oohhh! Sorry, wrong thread.
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As an Irishman, so imbued with laziness his ancestors never even bothered to leave the country, can I point out that neither myself or Ger, another Irishman, took offence.
We're secure enough in our own work-rate, and in the knowledge we gave Britain the great terry Wogan, to know it was quite clearly a joke!
On a more serious note, Irish football fans tend to associate certain British clubs with traditions of pro and anti-Irish sentiment. Rangers and Celtic are the obvious example but there are others. Man U are associated with Irish immigrant support, Man City as hostile. Villa are seen as the 'Irish club' of Birmingham, Small Heath as hostile. ironically given the evolution of this thread, Everton were always seen as the Irish club of Liverpool, and the bin dippers were, according to Irish emigrants I know, were seen as very hostile until relatively recently. Everton have a big support base in Ireland. Obviously, so do Liverpool but that's mostly of a glory-hunting nature dating to the 1970s and 80s. So, the original post was clearly a joke. It would have been offensive if we were talking about Everton.....:-)
Any idea why we were the Irish club of Birmingham? I know Everton & Manchester United have long been their cities Catholic clubs.
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I'd imagine supplying four of Ireland's 1994 world cup squad might have something to do with it.
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I've got numerous relatives in Ireland and go there a lot, but only two who support Villa, both of whom trace it back to the Townsend/Staunton/Houghton/God era. If there's a historic Villa following there prior to that period it's one that's escaped me.
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As an Irishman, so imbued with laziness his ancestors never even bothered to leave the country, can I point out that neither myself or Ger, another Irishman, took offence.
We're secure enough in our own work-rate, and in the knowledge we gave Britain the great terry Wogan, to know it was quite clearly a joke!
On a more serious note, Irish football fans tend to associate certain British clubs with traditions of pro and anti-Irish sentiment. Rangers and Celtic are the obvious example but there are others. Man U are associated with Irish immigrant support, Man City as hostile. Villa are seen as the 'Irish club' of Birmingham, Small Heath as hostile. ironically given the evolution of this thread, Everton were always seen as the Irish club of Liverpool, and the bin dippers were, according to Irish emigrants I know, were seen as very hostile until relatively recently. Everton have a big support base in Ireland. Obviously, so do Liverpool but that's mostly of a glory-hunting nature dating to the 1970s and 80s. So, the original post was clearly a joke. It would have been offensive if we were talking about Everton.....:-)
Any idea why we were the Irish club of Birmingham? I know Everton & Manchester United have long been their cities Catholic clubs.
Strange that as Small Heath had a very large Irish immigrant population.
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I'd imagine supplying four of Ireland's 1994 world cup squad might have something to do with it.
It was well before then, though.
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It's because the Pope used to be our Goalie.
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I'd imagine supplying four of Ireland's 1994 world cup squad might have something to do with it.
It was well before then, though.
I've always assumed it was due to the large Irish community in Erdington
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My Welsh great great grandmother on my dad's side, a Miss Jones, was so lazy that she married a Mr Jones just so that she didn't have to change her name.
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I'd imagine supplying four of Ireland's 1994 world cup squad might have something to do with it.
It was well before then, though.
I've always assumed it was due to the large Irish community in Erdington
There was a bigger one in Digbeth.
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As an Irishman, so imbued with laziness his ancestors never even bothered to leave the country, can I point out that neither myself or Ger, another Irishman, took offence.
We're secure enough in our own work-rate, and in the knowledge we gave Britain the great terry Wogan, to know it was quite clearly a joke!
On a more serious note, Irish football fans tend to associate certain British clubs with traditions of pro and anti-Irish sentiment. Rangers and Celtic are the obvious example but there are others. Man U are associated with Irish immigrant support, Man City as hostile. Villa are seen as the 'Irish club' of Birmingham, Small Heath as hostile. ironically given the evolution of this thread, Everton were always seen as the Irish club of Liverpool, and the bin dippers were, according to Irish emigrants I know, were seen as very hostile until relatively recently. Everton have a big support base in Ireland. Obviously, so do Liverpool but that's mostly of a glory-hunting nature dating to the 1970s and 80s. So, the original post was clearly a joke. It would have been offensive if we were talking about Everton.....:-)
Any idea why we were the Irish club of Birmingham? I know Everton & Manchester United have long been their cities Catholic clubs.
Strange that as Small Heath had a very large Irish immigrant population.
I remember Carl Chinn once saying that the vast majority of Irish emigrants to Birmingham became Villa fans, even though many of them settled in the Small Heath area. Many of their kids became Bluenoses though because of the area they grew up in.
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My ex Father-in-Law who came to Birminghsm from Ireland in the 50s said it was just that Villa were seen as having more Irish players to his generation.
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I don't see how Irish immigrants settling in Birmingham, it which ever area, being Villa fans translates to a following back in Ireland?
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My ex Father-in-Law who came to Birminghsm from Ireland in the 50s said it was just that Villa were seen as having more Irish players to his generation.
It could be because Small Heath played in the same colours of Rangers, and even copied their club badge for a while. It's no wonder why they'd choose Villa over that useless rabble.
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Villa hated Rangers for a while after the events in 1974 (I think that was the year), while Small Heath hated Celtic due to playing them in a friendly where the visitors insisted on singing songs about the Birmingham Pub Bombings. That might have something to do with it too.
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Is it because Irish people aren't stupid and Blues are fucking shite?
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I don't see how Irish immigrants settling in Birmingham, it which ever area, being Villa fans translates to a following back in Ireland?
I can sort of see how it works. If I moved to Dubai and started supporting Dubai FC, going to their games etc. I can imagine when my friends and family find out they would start taking an interest in Dubai FC.
Probably not a very well explained analogy but hopefully you get what I mean.
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Is it because Irish people aren't stupid and Blues are fucking shite?
Winner.
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I don't see how Irish immigrants settling in Birmingham, it which ever area, being Villa fans translates to a following back in Ireland?
I can sort of see how it works. If I moved to Dubai and started supporting Dubai FC, going to their games etc. I can imagine when my friends and family find out they would start taking an interest in Dubai FC.
Probably not a very well explained analogy but hopefully you get what I mean.
Yes, I can see that to a degree, but then it may be as I've never seen evidence of this large Irish following that I'm casting doubt on it.
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My ancestors were all agricultural labourers in Herefordshire, Worcestershire, and Gloucestershire before moving to Brum (Aston, most of them) 150 odd years ago.
Same for my lot, except they came from Oxfordshire. More than likely fleeing the poverty wrought by various acts of enclosure throughout the early 19thC.
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Scottish-descended Brummies are the worst. Especially me.
Isn't the correct term 'Scotch-Brummie'?
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You're Stewart Lee and I claim my £2.
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The building of Spaghetti Junction brought in a huge influx of Irish to Aston and Erdington, Irish men mostly over 70 or so now would follow their local team back then and their offspring in due course would do like wise else they were thrashed to within an inch of their lives.
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As an Irishman, so imbued with laziness his ancestors never even bothered to leave the country, can I point out that neither myself or Ger, another Irishman, took offence.
We're secure enough in our own work-rate, and in the knowledge we gave Britain the great terry Wogan, to know it was quite clearly a joke!
On a more serious note, Irish football fans tend to associate certain British clubs with traditions of pro and anti-Irish sentiment. Rangers and Celtic are the obvious example but there are others. Man U are associated with Irish immigrant support, Man City as hostile. Villa are seen as the 'Irish club' of Birmingham, Small Heath as hostile. ironically given the evolution of this thread, Everton were always seen as the Irish club of Liverpool, and the bin dippers were, according to Irish emigrants I know, were seen as very hostile until relatively recently. Everton have a big support base in Ireland. Obviously, so do Liverpool but that's mostly of a glory-hunting nature dating to the 1970s and 80s. So, the original post was clearly a joke. It would have been offensive As an Irishman, so imbued with laziness his ancestors never even bothered to leave the country, can I point out that neither myself or Ger, another Irishman, took offence.
We're secure enough in our own work-rate, and in the knowledge we gave Britain the great terry Wogan, to know it was quite clearly a joke!
On a more serious note, Irish football fans tend to associate certain British clubs with traditions of pro and anti-Irish sentiment. Rangers and Celtic are the obvious example but there are others. Man U are associated with Irish immigrant support, Man City as hostile. Villa are seen as the 'Irish club' of Birmingham, Small Heath as hostile. ironically given the evolution of this thread, Everton were always seen as the Irish club of Liverpool, and the bin dippers were, according to Irish emigrants I know, were seen as very hostile until relatively recently. Everton have a big support base in Ireland. Obviously, so do Liverpool but that's mostly of a glory-hunting nature dating to the 1970s and 80s. So, the original post was clearly a joke. It would have been offensive if we were talking about Everton.....:-)
Any idea why we were the Irish club of Birmingham? I know Everton & Manchester United have long been their cities Catholic clubs.
if we were talking about Everton.....:-)
I got that from an Irish man who went to Birmingham in the late 1950s. He said all his mates followed Villa and they were known as the Irish club.
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You're Stewart Lee and I claim my £2.
Your prize is some shortbread.
I'm going to stop now :P
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You're Stewart Lee and I claim my £2.
Your prize is some shortbread.
I'm going to stop now :P
Give it to us straight Stu.
Like a pear cider made from a hundred per cent pears.
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You're Stewart Lee and I claim my £2.
Your prize is some shortbread.
I'm going to stop now :P
I don't want shortbread. I want the moon on a stick.
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You're Stewart Lee and I claim my £2.
I thought there was an outside chance someone would say that, but it's true (not the Stewart Lee bit, mind).
Spotters badge to you, though.
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You're Stewart Lee and I claim my £2.
Your prize is some shortbread.
I'm going to stop now :P
Give it to us straight Stu.
Like a pear cider made from a hundred per cent pear(s).
Fixed it for you. If you're going to do my gags, do them right :P
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There was our little Irish invasion in the 50s with Danny Blanchflower and Con Martin (centre-half, right and left back, midfielder and for several games, goalkeeper).
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You're Stewart Lee and I claim my £2.
Your prize is some shortbread.
I'm going to stop now :P
I don't want shortbread. I want the moon on a stick.
Now that's taking it old skool.
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When will this thread be re-named? Stewart Downing has possibly been a naughty boy and I want him to suffer for it.
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When will this thread be re-named? Stewart Downing has possibly been a naughty boy and I want him to suffer for it.
I was half expecting it to get renamed to "The Lazy Irish" after last night's to do!
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I was accussed of being in the IRA by a load of Baggies fans in a pub near Hampstead (cant remember name), because I supported the Villa.
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I was accussed of being in the IRA by a load of Baggies fans in a pub near Hampstead (cant remember name), because I supported the Villa.
You should've knee-capped the bastards.
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I was with my Nose mate who was getting proper wound up because they accused him too. Was a fair few of them but they were completely arseholed. I have no know Irish ancestry just English, Scottish and Welsh.
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I was accussed of being in the IRA by a load of Baggies fans in a pub near Hampstead (cant remember name), because I supported the Villa.
Were you wearing a balaclava and refusing food at the time?
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Everybody has Irish ancestry.
When aliens do make contact no doubt they will have family in Kerry.
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Is it because Irish people aren't stupid and Blues are fucking shite?
Winner.
Many years ago I asked my dad why we all supported Villa and not Blues, he said it was because 'they' were shite.
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There was our little Irish invasion in the 50s with Danny Blanchflower and Con Martin (centre-half, right and left back, midfielder and for several games, goalkeeper).
I'll go along with that but do wonder if there were any Irish Villa players that predate Blanchflower, as there was certainly a large Irish community in the city before the early 50's.
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There was our little Irish invasion in the 50s with Danny Blanchflower and Con Martin (centre-half, right and left back, midfielder and for several games, goalkeeper).
I'll go along with that but do wonder if there were any Irish Villa players that predate Blanchflower, as there was certainly a large Irish community in the city before the early 50's.
There was a large Irish population in Aston in the 19th century, so it's easy to imagine that some of our players in the very early days were Irish.
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There was our little Irish invasion in the 50s with Danny Blanchflower and Con Martin (centre-half, right and left back, midfielder and for several games, goalkeeper).
I'll go along with that but do wonder if there were any Irish Villa players that predate Blanchflower, as there was certainly a large Irish community in the city before the early 50's.
Davey Walsh and Con Martin were the first Villa players (1950's) to play for the republic but they also played for the North as well. Until a latter day Sepp Blatter said No.
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When my dad got off the train at New St a copper directed him to Small Heath where he found digs. When I asked him why he supported us and not the 'noses he told me that he drank in the Small Arms pub and all the Irish lads were Villa and that was that.
All the people I grew up with or met in the Irish community were Villa, or glory hunters, I can't recall any Small heath fans at all.
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When my dad got off the train at New St a copper directed him to Small Heath where he found digs. When I asked him why he supported us and not the 'noses he told me that he drank in the Small Arms pub and all the Irish lads were Villa and that was that.
All the people I grew up with or met in the Irish community were Villa, or glory hunters, I can't recall any Small heath fans at all.
Wouldn't the Small Arms pub be a Scottish rather Irish pub?
Edit: BSA. I'm with you now, Nev.
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Jack Reynolds from the 1897 side played for England and Ireland.
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My Auntie Cissie had a lodging house in Ivor Road and she insisted that all her gentlemen lodgers were Villa fans. She also banned drinking in The Antelope. It was The Bear or nothing.
Her husband, my Uncle Harry did not give a shit, he was too busy with my father throwing their money away on horses and greyhounds.
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I’m just English. Family came over with Big Willy nearly a 1000 years ago and we’ve been ruling you peasant folk ever since. Which I guess makes me a Viking originally.
But no matter who impregnated your grandmother; be he an Irishman, an Englishman, a Scott or a Welshman, you’ll all agree, even the Mrs Lovejoy’s out there just thinking of the children, that Stuart Downing is a massive cuntflap.
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I’m just English. Family came over with Big Willy nearly a 1000 years ago and we’ve been ruling you peasant folk ever since. Which I guess makes me a Viking originally.
But no matter who impregnated your grandmother; be he an Irishman, an Englishman, a Scott or a Welshman, you’ll all agree, even the Mrs Lovejoy’s out there just thinking of the children, that Stuart Downing is a massive cuntflap.
'Well I agree with that'
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Apparently the club have issued a statement claiming that hitting women is culturally acceptable in Middlesbrough.
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Only if you are married to them Chris. That makes them yours by right to do with as you please.
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I’m just English. Family came over with Big Willy nearly a 1000 years ago and we’ve been ruling you peasant folk ever since. Which I guess makes me a Viking originally.
Trouble with you overseas lot is that you don't fit in and adapt british ways. Coming over here and forcing your fancy mod cons upon us good folks.... good hard working earthy people...peace loving...yes and we don't like what you do
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Apparently the club have issued a statement claiming that hitting women is culturally acceptable in Middlesbrough.
"Stewart himself is of a mixed family background as his grandmother was a woman."
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There's a puntastic joke in there somewhere with the punchline of "Irish Stew, in the name of the law...", but I can't quite figure it out.
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"Irate Stew chins the dame in the jaw"
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"Stewart himself is of a mixed family background as his grandmother was a woman."
That is very funny.
Nice Pixies quotey thingy as well.
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Stereotyping Scousers as thieves is a bit passé too.
We took 20 mill off then for Downing.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle ethnically diverse.
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Scoused for facebook.
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My ex Father-in-Law who came to Birminghsm from Ireland in the 50s said it was just that Villa were seen as having more Irish players to his generation.
It could be because Small Heath played in the same colours of Rangers, and even copied their club badge for a while. It's no wonder why they'd choose Villa over that useless rabble.
Interesting you say that about the badge. In the fifties our crest and even the motto -"prepared" Villa, "ready" Rangers looked identical. I think I saw a pic of Ibrox with a crest mosaic in the old shield shape, Same as ours. Wonder why?
I tried to discover a common ancestary, but apart from William McG Scottish connection couldn't find a definitive Rangers link. Anybody?
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If he hit her, did she go flying over the bar?
hehe
... apparently she did not get past the first man, but that's Teeside women for you.
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Apparently Stewart downing is using all premiership full backs as witnesses to prove he's never beaten anyone.
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'I knew I would get booed and get some stick, but that wasn't a problem for me,' he told the Liverpool Echo. 'I was just focused on ensuring we got a result. I think they gave up after about 50 or 60 minutes and turned on their own team.
'We were by far the better team. I think today proved a point in terms of showing why I wanted to come to Liverpool.
'It wasn't to do with money, I've joined a top team. Just look at the players we've got on the bench who can't get a game. That shows how strong the squad is.
'This was the right move for me at the right time. I enjoyed my time at Villa – it's a great club with great people but you move on in football, that's the way it is.'
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The connection of the badges and the club mottos may be the use of the same architect.
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I always thought Rangers' "Ready" motto was rather a late addition to their club, many years after Villa's motto was introduced.
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rangers
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I think I read on here that it was McGregor who introduced us to the Lion rampant. Copying it from Rangers.
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It was David Sullivan who introduced the Rabbit Rampant.
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'Ready' only became the Rangers motto in 1966, replacing 'Aye (always) Ready'.
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I think I read on here that it was McGregor who introduced us to the Lion rampant. Copying it from Rangers.
I don't believe that's true at all.
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I think I read on here that it was McGregor who introduced us to the Lion rampant. Copying it from Rangers.
I don't believe that's true at all.
I've always thought it was the Scottish lion rather than Rangers he copied.
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No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers
The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms
The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret
Dave will probably be,able to correct this
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'Ready' only became the Rangers motto in 1966, replacing 'Aye (always) Ready'.
Really? Any connection with this?
(http://static.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld-ic/imageasset/iclarge/historyworld-webapp/user/robertpool/object/XG1CiGSCTzqb05nDwIhhjg/asset/1)
And back to the matter at hand, I noted with interest that Stuart Downing was replaced in the second half yesterday by Andy Carroll. Oh, the humiliation.
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Completely off topic but my nan used to drink that.
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It was David Sullivan who introduced the Rabbit Rampant.
Bully's special prize for that one.
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Completely off topic but my nan used to drink that.
can you still buy it ?
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Completely off topic but my nan used to drink that.
can you still buy it ?
I've just had a look on Tesco's website and, amazingly, yes you can!
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No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers
The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret
I doubt it. Ramsay came to Birmingham around 1871. Rangers were founded in 1872.
Besides this, Queen's Park were by far the biggest team in Glasgow at the time.
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No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers
The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret
I doubt it. Ramsay came to Birmingham around 1871. Rangers were founded in 1872.
Besides this, Queen's Park were by far the biggest team in Glasgow at the time.
But I thought we didn't start playing in C&B until later did we?
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We didn't. I'll try and find the link.
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(http://www.kitclassics.co.uk/kits/astonv.png)
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That suggest we DID start playing in claret and blue, then got rid of it, then changed back to it.
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Yep, humble pie being eaten (http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/Aston_Villa.htm)
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I see it as red and blue in that graphic to start off with.
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No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers
The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret
I doubt it. Ramsay came to Birmingham around 1871. Rangers were founded in 1872.
Besides this, Queen's Park were by far the biggest team in Glasgow at the time.
But I thought we didn't start playing in C&B until later did we?
True, but I doubt he had an affinity with a club that he possibly never seen play.
I remember reading that he was influenced by the Queen's Park style of play and implemented a similar atyle when he joined Aston Villa.
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No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers
The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms
The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret
Dave will probably be,able to correct this
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Villa's colours have nothing to do with Rangers, Hearts, the Barton's or anybody's wife. Nobody has any definitive idea why we play in what we do. Simon Inglis put forward a credible theory recently - Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.
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No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers
The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms
The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret
Dave will probably be,able to correct this
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Villa's colours have nothing to do with Rangers, Hearts, the Barton's or anybody's wife. Nobody has any definitive idea why we play in what we do. Simon Inglis put forward a credible theory recently - Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.
Dave, The badge is a ion like Rangers our motto is prepared thiers Ready, is thier any connection or is it just the Scottish lion?
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No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers
The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms
The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret
Dave will probably be,able to correct this
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Villa's colours have nothing to do with Rangers, Hearts, the Barton's or anybody's wife. Nobody has any definitive idea why we play in what we do. Simon Inglis put forward a credible theory recently - Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.
Dave, The badge is a ion like Rangers our motto is prepared thiers Ready, is thier any connection or is it just the Scottish lion?
I don't think any formal Rangers connection has ever been established. Their original motto was 'Aye Work Awa,' which was then changed to 'Aye Ready Aye' and shortened over the years to 'Ready' in 1966.
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No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers
The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms
The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret
Dave will probably be,able to correct this
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Villa's colours have nothing to do with Rangers, Hearts, the Barton's or anybody's wife. Nobody has any definitive idea why we play in what we do. Simon Inglis put forward a credible theory recently - Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.
Dave, The badge is a ion like Rangers our motto is prepared thiers Ready, is thier any connection or is it just the Scottish lion?
I don't think any formal Rangers connection has ever been established. Their original motto was 'Aye Work Awa,' which was then changed to 'Aye Ready Aye' and shortened over the years to 'Ready' in 1966.
Thanks Dave
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No the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers
The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms
The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret
Dave will probably be,able to correct this
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Villa's colours have nothing to do with Rangers, Hearts, the Barton's or anybody's wife. Nobody has any definitive idea why we play in what we do. Simon Inglis put forward a credible theory recently - Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.
[/quotNo the rampant lion was taken from Scottish heraldry by Ramsey I beleive .... but the blue from claret and blue comes from Rangers
The claret comes from the Claret tiles found in the Barton Arms
The colours were chosen by Ramsey andhis wife ....Ramsey choosing the Rangers blue and his wifethe claret
Dave will probably be,able to correct this
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Villa's colours have nothing to do with Rangers, Hearts, the Barton's or anybody's wife. Nobody has any definitive idea why we play in what we do. Simon Inglis put forward a credible theory recently - Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.
Just repeating what I was told on the legends tour ladt Sunday but now you come to mention it the claret came from hearts as his wife was from Edinburgh the tiles thing ringd true though in that there were chequed claret (chocolate) tiles thoughout the Bartons
then again could all be bobbins .... could have been as simple as Doug being able to get his hands on a cheap bit of material !
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Just repeating what I was told on the legends tour ladt Sunday but now you come to mention it the claret came from hearts as his wife was from Edinburgh the tiles thing ringd true though in that there were chequed claret (chocolate) tiles thoughout the Bartons
then again could all be bobbins .... could have been as simple as Doug being able to get his hands on a cheap bit of material !
It wouldn't have been the Barton's - that wasn't built until 1903 and I doubt our Methodist forefathers would have taken anything from a pub. It's highly unlikely Hearts & Rangers would have entered the equation as they were relatively unknown at the time (neither won their first honour until several years after we adopted claret and blue) and in any case I believe McGregor met his wife in Birmingham.
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Blimey. What is that monstrosity from 1884-1886? Did LSD make it's first appearance on our shores that year? Imagine the reaction if we went all retro and brought that thing out. There would be grown men fainting at the gates of VP, all live on SSN.
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I read somewhere that Richard the Third's 'house colours' when he was still the Duke of York, living around the midlands and rejoicing in the title of the Boar (depicted on his standard) at the time, were claret and blue. Local lad makes good...er, the jury's out on that one! (I never thought it was him who did for the Princes in the Tower, but that was after reading 'The Daughter of Time' by Josephine Tey.)
It does seem to establish a local historical link for that colour combination, though. And pubs called the Boar's head, and motorway service station, the Blue Boar! Reaching a bit, I know!
A very long way from Downing and added allegations, anyway.
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Completely off topic but my nan used to drink that.
can you still buy it ?
Yes you can but not with exactly that picture on it.
The picture has subtly changed over the years so that the Indian 'Char-wallah' has gone from serving the officer his coffee to sitting down and sharing a cup with him.
Times have changed!
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Just repeating what I was told on the legends tour ladt Sunday but now you come to mention it the claret came from hearts as his wife was from Edinburgh the tiles thing ringd true though in that there were chequed claret (chocolate) tiles thoughout the Bartons
then again could all be bobbins .... could have been as simple as Doug being able to get his hands on a cheap bit of material !
It wouldn't have been the Barton's - that wasn't built until 1903 and I doubt our Methodist forefathers would have taken anything from a pub. It's highly unlikely Hearts & Rangers would have entered the equation as they were relatively unknown at the time (neither won their first honour until several years after we adopted claret and blue) and in any case I believe McGregor met his wife in Birmingham.
My mistake. His wife was from Perthshire and came down to Birmingham several years after he did.
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Blimey, this thread has drifted from topic hasn't it!!
See the weasly little runt put in another indistinguished shift for the red scum on Saturday.
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Minton tiles were common in Astonian architecture at the time and if you ever look at them, the predominant colour could be either described as claret, or chocolate. It's often matched with light blue.
As a proud owner of a splendid Minton tiled floor, I can confirm that chocolatey/claret and just the right shade of blue tiles do indeed exist in my floor. However, along with those, I also have white, green, beige (2 shades) and black tiles, so I'm not sure that would be enough to inspire the choice of just two of those colours for the shirts of a football team.
However, I do know that there were hundreds of designs of Minton floors around in the late Victorian period, so, who knows, there may be some around with just claret and blue.
I will forever look upon my floor in a different light.
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I also have white, green, beige (2 shades) and black tiles, so I'm not sure that would be enough to inspire the choice of just two of those colours for the shirts of a football team.
So the Muller away kit in 94 was your fault?
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I also have white, green, beige (2 shades) and black tiles, so I'm not sure that would be enough to inspire the choice of just two of those colours for the shirts of a football team.
So the Muller away kit in 94 was your fault?
Oh dear. That's not such a good thought.
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Wasn't McGregor a draper? He probably had a few spare rolls of claret cotton, wanted to get rid of it and sold it to the club.
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According to 'King Kenny' Downing is a fantastic player (the stats tell a very different story!) & he is still adjusting coming to a massive club - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/20/liverpool-kenny-dalglish-stewart-downing
Deluded fuckwits the two of them!
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'king Kenny talking shite as per usual. Pissed-up old has-been.
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At least we have it in writing. You can never make him out when he speaks. I think he must be a ventriloquist in his spare time because you don't see his lips move.
After coming out with that shit he is added to the book of twats.
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According to 'King Kenny' Downing is a fantastic player (the stats tell a very different story!) & he is still adjusting coming to a massive club - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/20/liverpool-kenny-dalglish-stewart-downing
Deluded fuckwits the two of them!
Has he moved on again then from the bindippers in the transfer window?
I must have missed that one - what comes of cancelling my Sky Sports subscription I guess
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According to 'King Kenny' Downing is a fantastic player (the stats tell a very different story!) & he is still adjusting coming to a massive club - http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/20/liverpool-kenny-dalglish-stewart-downing
Deluded fuckwits the two of them!
Kenny is being pretty disrespectful there in my opinion and it is that type of talk that shows where the club's problems are. They think they are bigger and better than they are. Of course they had an incredible run between '65-early noughties, but they have been in a steady decline since. The business with Adidas stating Liverpool were overpricing themselves would suggest that this affliction runs fairly deep at Liverpool.
At least at Villa Downing was able to have a genuine crack at the top four. At least at Villa he played in a genuinely superb stadium. He's probably arrived at Anfield and realised that all the media nonsense about the club is nothing more than hot air. Twenty million was a magnificent piece of business for Villa, Kenny - Liverpool supporters know it and I reckon you know it too.
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The other thing with Liverpool is all the papers with their 'woe is me, this can't be happening' headlines when they are playing badly. You almost expect them to come round with a collection. I am not being disrespectful to those involved with Heysel or Hillsborough by the way. That is a different story.
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Well then Kenneth if the case is that young Stewy is actually even better than you thought then you must be congratulated for such a shrewd piece of business, to get him for only the £20m that you did shows that your one step ahead of your rivals in the transfer market, whatever next? Andy Carroll being able to trap the ball.
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Wait til he gets his first assist or, god forbid, a goal. The hype machine will go into overdrive.
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I'd concede that they're a bigger club. However, the difference in class is insurmountable.
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He's just making excuses for him to cover his own back as he's the man who shelled out £20m for him.
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He's just making excuses for him to cover his own back as he's the man who shelled out £20m for him.
Yup
I looked at RAWK the other day as I was interested to see what they thought of Downing, and was surprised to see the first signs of them getting uncomfortable about Dalglish
Carroll 35m
Adam 9m
Henderson 20m
Downing 20m
That's nigh on £85m spent there. I struggle to think of a worse way to spend that kind of money.
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Wait til he gets his first assist or, god forbid, a goal. The hype machine will go into overdrive.
I prefer to wait until Fabio Capello announces his final squad for Euro2012. Oh the tears..
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Ku Klux Kenny is and always was a c**t.
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Oh dear. Liverpool really, REALLY are the most deluded club in the land. Massive club? Not anymore mate.
As for Downing, seems he's lost the consistent 7/10 form that earned him his 'dream move'. Shame.
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I'd concede that they're a bigger club.
How? Other than a trophy winning blitz in the 80's what have they done?
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Ku Klux Kenny is and always was a c**t.
Can't disagree, he's a particularly dreadful man.
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Ku Klux Kenny is and always was a c**t.
Can't disagree, he's a particularly dreadful man.
one of the best players i ever seen at VP though,
when he had the ball in your half your heart was in your mouth.
he's yesterdays man now though, if you ever listen to his interviews he's always harking back, i suppose thats what Liverpool fans want, someone who can remember the past
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I'd concede that they're a bigger club.
How? Other than a trophy winning blitz in the 80's what have they done?
I trust you are a bit tongue in cheek there. Other than a trophy winning blitz in the 1890's what have we done?
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Heard a Liverpool fan on 6-0-6 complaining about Carroll and Downing. Schadenfreude's not nice, but sometimes what the heck.
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I like the KKK tag for King Kenny of the Kop bearing in mind Liverpool's racist tendencies.
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I'd concede that they're a bigger club.
How? Other than a trophy winning blitz in the 80's what have they done?
Won the league in a few other decades? Won a few European Cups?
Lets not start letting anger about Downing get in the way of logic - Liverpool are a huge club, one of the biggest two in the country and (living abroad) one of the ones that everyone always asks about.
Ok they're having a PR disaster at the moment but its a football city with a lot of great fans - we shouldn't forget that either.
Not that Downing has contributed to anything positive there, or is anything other than a weasly little Robert Ford lookalike..
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What a mess £35mil for Caroll and £18mil for Downing and the Suarez affair, they are so so desperate to be condidered a great club again but lets face it they are miles off, my dislike of the Club goes back to the sheer arrogance of thier fans in the 80s . great to see them getting beat by Bolton.
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He's just making excuses for him to cover his own back as he's the man who shelled out £20m for him.
Yup
I looked at RAWK the other day as I was interested to see what they thought of Downing, and was surprised to see the first signs of them getting uncomfortable about Dalglish
Carroll 35m
Adam 9m
Henderson 20m
Downing 20m
That's nigh on £85m spent there. I struggle to think of a worse way to spend that kind of money.
Great isn't it? Won't it be interesting to see how their world is when their Americans austerity measures kick in.
As for Downing, it couldn't have worked out too much bettter thus far could it?
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I'm still trying to work out why it matters that he is quicker then the overrated high pitched squeaking thug Carragher thought. Unless he is pointing out that he skins Jaimie in training, ( or he bottles out of the challenge with him even before the lumbering oaf has committed it).
But the line when he mentions he "puts in more crosses then anyone else, but his job is to put them into goal scoring areas" does sound like quite a big criticism from KKK.
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I'd concede that they're a bigger club.
How? Other than a trophy winning blitz in the 80's what have they done?
The trophy winning blitz in the 70s?
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Splinter magnet.
Delighted for the spineless prick.
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I'd concede that they're a bigger club.
How? Other than a trophy winning blitz in the 80's what have they done?
The trophy winning blitz in the 70s?
The one in the sixties? Or in the 2000s?
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He's just making excuses for him to cover his own back as he's the man who shelled out £20m for him.
Yup
I looked at RAWK the other day as I was interested to see what they thought of Downing, and was surprised to see the first signs of them getting uncomfortable about Dalglish
Carroll 35m
Adam 9m
Henderson 20m
Downing 20m
That's nigh on £85m spent there. I struggle to think of a worse way to spend that kind of money.
Great isn't it? Won't it be interesting to see how their world is when their Americans austerity measures kick in.
As for Downing, it couldn't have worked out too much bettter thus far could it?
Downing had a very good season for us last season we tend to forget. His replacement Nzogbia has been muck for us so far really. One assist, no goal. One assist more than Downing but dont think its worked out all that well for us. As a team, we are certainly weakened by his departure.
The balance of 10m has gone back to RAL. I dont think its worked out that well for us at all.
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I'd concede that they're a bigger club.
How? Other than a trophy winning blitz in the 80's what have they done?
Get a grip, mate.
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I'd concede that they're a bigger club.
How? Other than a trophy winning blitz in the 80's what have they done?
The trophy winning blitz in the 70s?
The one in the sixties? Or in the 2000s?
OK other than all that what have they done?
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Another five to ten years of mediocrity (fingers crossed) for Liverpool and the old, natural order of things will be partly restored!
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I'd concede that they're a bigger club.
How? Other than a trophy winning blitz in the 80's what have they done?
The trophy winning blitz in the 70s?
The one in the sixties? Or in the 2000s?
OK other than all that what have they done?
It's amazing how many people on here have been watching "The Life Of Brian". ;)
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The thing about Liverpool is that if you are in your late 30s or 40s, you'll remember growing up with them winning pretty much everything, as well as getting media fawning that makes anything Man U get now look mild by comparison.
Back then you'd get next to no live league football on the telly, and when it was on, it was invariably Liverpool (Man United were doing their quarter of a century with no league titles thing at the time so attracted far less attention).
They also must be the luckiest club on the planet, too, but that's another argument.
Anyway, that's why so many people in my sort of age range still can't fucking stand Liverpool, I reckon.
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I started my football life "dislikes" by hating Leeds but Liverpool soon took over. They have had some real hateworthy characters but Emlyn Hughes was on top of my list.
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The thing about Liverpool is that if you are in your late 30s or 40s, you'll remember growing up with them winning pretty much everything, as well as getting media fawning that makes anything Man U get now look mild by comparison.
Back then you'd get next to no live league football on the telly, and when it was on, it was invariably Liverpool (Man United were doing their quarter of a century with no league titles thing at the time so attracted far less attention).
They also must be the luckiest club on the planet, too, but that's another argument.
Anyway, that's why so many people in my sort of age range still can't fucking stand Liverpool, I reckon.
Anyone in their 30's I reckon. I remember being one of only two Villa fans in primary school. I still remember one lunchtime, sitting at a table with the older boys and one lad asking everyone who they supported:
"Liverpool"
"Liverpool"
"Liverpool"
"Liverpool"
"Aston Villa"
"Urgh, second division?"
Character building, even then I knew supporting a team wasn't dependent on them playing in the top flight and winning everything. Villa have been tormenting me for a loooong time, ha ha.
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I'd concede that they're a bigger club.
How? Other than a trophy winning blitz in the 80's what have they done?
Won the league in a few other decades? Won a few European Cups?
Lets not start letting anger about Downing get in the way of logic - Liverpool are a huge club, one of the biggest two in the country and (living abroad) one of the ones that everyone always asks about.
Ok they're having a PR disaster at the moment but its a football city with a lot of great fans - we shouldn't forget that either.
Not that Downing has contributed to anything positive there, or is anything other than a weasly little Robert Ford lookalike..
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This .... and in particular " but its a football city with a lot of great fans "
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And then there are the cinema goers in Liverpool who went to see the silent movie "The Artist" and came out asking for their money back. 'Because there was no talking in it'.
It must be true, I heard it on the BBC news.
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He's just making excuses for him to cover his own back as he's the man who shelled out £20m for him.
Yup
I looked at RAWK the other day as I was interested to see what they thought of Downing, and was surprised to see the first signs of them getting uncomfortable about Dalglish
Carroll 35m
Adam 9m
Henderson 20m
Downing 20m
That's nigh on £85m spent there. I struggle to think of a worse way to spend that kind of money.
Great isn't it? Won't it be interesting to see how their world is when their Americans austerity measures kick in.
As for Downing, it couldn't have worked out too much bettter thus far could it?
Downing had a very good season for us last season we tend to forget. His replacement Nzogbia has been muck for us so far really. One assist, no goal. One assist more than Downing but dont think its worked out all that well for us. As a team, we are certainly weakened by his departure.
The balance of 10m has gone back to RAL. I dont think its worked out that well for us at all.
I see your point, but N'Zogbia's been no worse in his first season here than Downing was in his. May come good given time, as he has the ability.
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The thing about Liverpool is that if you are in your late 30s or 40s, you'll remember growing up with them winning pretty much everything, as well as getting media fawning that makes anything Man U get now look mild by comparison.
Back then you'd get next to no live league football on the telly, and when it was on, it was invariably Liverpool (Man United were doing their quarter of a century with no league titles thing at the time so attracted far less attention).
They also must be the luckiest club on the planet, too, but that's another argument.
Anyway, that's why so many people in my sort of age range still can't fucking stand Liverpool, I reckon.
Anyone in their 30's I reckon. I remember being one of only two Villa fans in primary school. I still remember one lunchtime, sitting at a table with the older boys and one lad asking everyone who they supported:
"Liverpool"
"Liverpool"
"Liverpool"
"Liverpool"
"Aston Villa"
"Urgh, second division?"
Character building, even then I knew supporting a team wasn't dependent on them playing in the top flight and winning everything. Villa have been tormenting me for a loooong time, ha ha.
I'm 24 and I still can't stand them. It's the fans. They're still a disgrace even now.
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I'm 24 and I still can't stand them. It's the fans. They're still a disgrace even now.
Their away support is amongst the worst we see at Villa Park, year in, year out, I reckon. Everton's is even worse.
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I'm 24 and I still can't stand them. It's the fans. They're still a disgrace even now.
Their away support is amongst the worst we see at Villa Park, year in, year out, I reckon. Everton's is even worse.
Worst in what sense Paulie?
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ManUre are my least favourite of the current Premier League teams.
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The thing about Liverpool is that if you are in your late 30s or 40s, you'll remember growing up with them winning pretty much everything, as well as getting media fawning that makes anything Man U get now look mild by comparison.
Back then you'd get next to no live league football on the telly, and when it was on, it was invariably Liverpool (Man United were doing their quarter of a century with no league titles thing at the time so attracted far less attention).
They also must be the luckiest club on the planet, too, but that's another argument.
Anyway, that's why so many people in my sort of age range still can't fucking stand Liverpool, I reckon.
Bang on the money.
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I'm 25, Irish and dislike them intensely. I just don't like their sense of superiority. Also, a lot of people that I don't get on with happen to be Liverpool fans. So them losing always gives me a little added satisfaction.
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The thing about Liverpool is that if you are in your late 30s or 40s, you'll remember growing up with them winning pretty much everything, as well as getting media fawning that makes anything Man U get now look mild by comparison.
Back then you'd get next to no live league football on the telly, and when it was on, it was invariably Liverpool (Man United were doing their quarter of a century with no league titles thing at the time so attracted far less attention).
They also must be the luckiest club on the planet, too, but that's another argument.
Anyway, that's why so many people in my sort of age range still can't fucking stand Liverpool, I reckon.
Spot on. As far as I'm concerned they were a mediocre club - traditionally second best to Everton - that somehow got on the flukiest roll of success in the latter half of the twentieth century. They definitely had plenty of money pumped into their rise to the top, more than they are willing to admit, too. Hearing their fans go on about history and tradition when they have only been significant fairly recently, in football terms, really does make me roll my eyes. They are a second rate club compared to Aston Villa.
And anyone here who hasn't been to Anfield should give it a go...just to get some measure of the nonsense the media has spewed about them over the years. They represent the ultimate nightmare for me - a Birmingham City with trophies. I feel sorry for Evertonians.
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I'm 24 and I still can't stand them. It's the fans. They're still a disgrace even now.
Their away support is amongst the worst we see at Villa Park, year in, year out, I reckon. Everton's is even worse.
Worst in what sense Paulie?
Lots of them, but make next to zero noise. There aren't many fans who sell the whole allocation every year but are so very quiet. As I said, those two, plus frequently Arsenal.
I hate Man United's arrogant travelling supporters, but they're usually the noisiest year after year
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I'm 24 and I still can't stand them. It's the fans. They're still a disgrace even now.
Their away support is amongst the worst we see at Villa Park, year in, year out, I reckon. Everton's is even worse.
Worst in what sense Paulie?
Lots of them, but make next to zero noise. There aren't many fans who sell the whole allocation every year but are so very quiet. As I said, those two, plus frequently Arsenal.
I hate Man United's arrogant travelling supporters, but they're usually the noisiest year after year
This year we only heard them twice singing about the Fleeing Weasel.
I loathed them for the media spawned idea their fans were a laugh a minute and some kind of working class poets. They were vicious, violent and (late 70's) racist bullies.
Do you play "Istanbul Bingo" on European nights? Great fun...
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I quite liked them when I was a nipper. S. Gerrard and the Barry saga are what really turned me against them. They can be playing any team I hate and I always want them to lose, except small heath.
Plus I've spent so much time predicting their demise I desperately want to be right about that.
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I'm 24 and I still can't stand them. It's the fans. They're still a disgrace even now.
Their away support is amongst the worst we see at Villa Park, year in, year out, I reckon. Everton's is even worse.
That's because Everton actually only have one song, maybe two if they're feeling adventurous. And each of these is them basically singing the same word over and over.
Other than Small Heath, 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are the next team I love to hate too for exactly the reasons Paulie outlined.
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I hate Lplop more than any other club.The only time i want Ure to win is when they play them.
Someone on here summed up my feelings towards their, i reluctantly call them supporters, when he said "They think they invented the game".I find them more arrogant , more nauseating than the other lot of glory-hunters.
Hate them with a passion.As a football team of the 70s and 80s, and even 90s, i admired them, can't stand the supporters though.
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Hearing their fans go on about history and tradition when they have only been significant fairly recently, in football terms, really does make me roll my eyes. They are a second rate club compared to Aston Villa.
To be fair, in living memory, they have been so, so, so much more successful than we have.
Although, you're right, they are a second-rate club compared to the Villa, but you could say that about anyone else. Spizz said it best; the sun never sets on Aston Villa.
...a Birmingham City with trophies. I feel sorry for Evertonians.
No....that is what Manchester United are. Scum fans that won't be reasoned with and always up for a scrap. Utter ******. And that club has been representing the English game abroad for decades. Total wankers.
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Ku Klux Kenny is and always was a c**t.
Correct, I can't stand that pug faced little scrote. How dare he disrespect us.
I can't see Downing being overawed when he's moved from a club on the fringes of the top 6 and a 40 something thousand seater stadium to... a club on the fringes of the top 6 and a 40 something thousand seater stadium.
Fact is he bought another massively expensive pup and he can't admit a msitake, ever. Almost a hundred million pissed away. Pardew has built a more convincing team with a fraction of the money from one player sold to Liverpool.
Anyway, how hilarious is it that their owners wanted to push a deal through for Downing because of one of those faked videos we had done on AVTV? I nearly pissed my pants when I read that.
If only they'd seen some of the others, we'd have got £30 million for Carew hitting the Villa badge with the faulty light.
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When I see Liverpool and their fans now, I like to think I'm staring into a crystal ball and seeing what Man Utd fans will be in a few years time.
Football is a cyclical game by nature, so when they stop winning things they'll be spouting of on past glories and trying to pretend that a 20 year spell in history defines them more than their overall history. If you take out Liverpool's glory years and Man Utd's Fergie years, then what is the real difference between them and the likes of us, Spurs or Everton?
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I'm 24 and I still can't stand them. It's the fans. They're still a disgrace even now.
Their away support is amongst the worst we see at Villa Park, year in, year out, I reckon. Everton's is even worse.
That's because Everton actually only have one song, maybe two if they're feeling adventurous. And each of these is them basically singing the same word over and over.
Other than Small Heath, 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are the next team I love to hate too for exactly the reasons Paulie outlined.
Everton used to have two - "Everton Everton Everton" and "duh duh duh Andy Johnson" but then they sold Andy Johnson.
I quite like and respect Everton as a club, though, they're extremely similar to us in a lot of ways, but their fans always seem to have a chip on their shoulders about us.
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Football is a cyclical game by nature, so when they stop winning things they'll be spouting of on past glories and trying to pretend that a 20 year spell in history defines them more than their overall history. If you take out Liverpool's glory years and Man Utd's Fergie years, then what is the real difference between them and the likes of us, Spurs or Everton?
Yeah, but John, that surely renders it a pointless comparison - "if you put to one side the fact that they've won the title twelve times, the European Cup twice and four FA Cups in 19 years, their record isn't much different from ours" is a bit like saying "if you ignore her face, body and legs, Elle MacPherson isn't really that much better looking than Sonia from Eastenders"
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Did anyone spot 'king Kenny's new hairstyle at the weekend? I don't know whether it was just down to it being a bit windy, but it's the first time it's looked any different since 1977.
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I quite like and respect Everton as a club, though, they're extremely similar to us in a lot of ways, but their fans always seem to have a chip on their shoulders about us.
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I like Everton as well, they are so much like us. An away game at Everton 'feels like' a game at VP. Goodison Park is in a similar area , the pubs are a bit like the ones around our ground. In the pubs fans are moaning about the same things we moan about. We even draw against each other a lot. The goal they let in Saturday was so Villa-esque and so was the type of team they failed to beat (like us they will think they have a divine right to beat certain teams).
That said the similarities disappear once inside Goodison, which is surely the worst 'Big Club' stadium in the country.
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Everton fans are such moaning tossers though. There is no atmosphere at Goodison, just different levels of whinging.
The boring racist arseholes.
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Football is a cyclical game by nature, so when they stop winning things they'll be spouting of on past glories and trying to pretend that a 20 year spell in history defines them more than their overall history. If you take out Liverpool's glory years and Man Utd's Fergie years, then what is the real difference between them and the likes of us, Spurs or Everton?
Yeah, but John, that surely renders it a pointless comparison - "if you put to one side the fact that they've won the title twelve times, the European Cup twice and four FA Cups in 19 years, their record isn't much different from ours" is a bit like saying "if you ignore her face, body and legs, Elle MacPherson isn't really that much better looking than Sonia from Eastenders"
I probably didn't explain myself very well there!
What I mean is that neither club has no more right to success than the likes of us, just because they had their period of dominance. Liverpool fans always seem to act with a superior attitude towards their 'special club'. Well it's not special, other than during a certain time period. And I can see Man Utd fans acting exactly the same if/when this era comes to an end.
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Did anyone spot 'king Kenny's new hairstyle at the weekend? I don't know whether it was just down to it being a bit windy, but it's the first time it's looked any different since 1977.
Its because he actually believes in the hysteria associated with him and wears a crown at home nowadays.
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It's more like a cap than a crown.
Here he is sporting it.
(http://www.indigohairsalon.co.uk/G2U-Email/jimmy-krankie-adelle.jpg)
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Taken from The Liverpool Way forum. Can this really be true? (It begs the question why didn't they go in for Carlos and big JC too.)
From the Echo.
WHEN John Henry and Tom Werner were informed about Liverpool FC’s interest in Stewart Downing last summer they turned to the internet to find out more.
The Reds’ principal owner and chairman stumbled across a video on YouTube which grabbed their attention.
“There was some footage of Stewart where he is, from 30 yards away, kicking a football into five different trash cans and it’s brilliant,” Werner recalled.
“John and I said: ‘Oh my god, this player is brilliant, we’ve got to figure out a way to make a deal with him’.”
The American duo later discovered the footage had been doctored but the excitement at Downing’s arrival remained.
Read More Stewart Downing will be a star for Liverpool FC, says Kenny Dalglish - Liverpool FC News - Liverpool FC - Liverpool Echo
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Urban myth?
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That story is here...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/01/21/bolton-v-liverpool-fc-preview-kenny-dalglish-s-belief-in-stewart-downing-unwavering-100252-30167724/
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Urban myth?
For their sakes you'd like to think so Legion. If they're reporting it in the Echo though, maybe there's an element of truth?
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Seeing as our commercial/marketing department are after ideas, knock up a video of Habib Beye hitting a cardboard cutout of Patrick Evra from 50 yards and we might get shot of him this month.
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With regards to 'Hot Topics', I'm quite disappointed at the lack of replies as promised so far. I'll follow this up later this week.
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That story is here...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/01/21/bolton-v-liverpool-fc-preview-kenny-dalglish-s-belief-in-stewart-downing-unwavering-100252-30167724/
That comment by Daglish about how big a club they are shows what is wrong with them, Downing crashing and burning-great
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It's more like a cap than a crown.
Here he is sporting it.
(http://www.indigohairsalon.co.uk/G2U-Email/jimmy-krankie-adelle.jpg)
If you shagged that would it be homosexuality, paedophilia or gerontophilia?
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It's more like a cap than a crown.
Here he is sporting it.
(http://www.indigohairsalon.co.uk/G2U-Email/jimmy-krankie-adelle.jpg)
If you shagged that would it be homosexuality, paedophilia or gerontophilia?
Complete fuckin desperate madness!!! While being pissed, obviously!
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It's more like a cap than a crown.
Here he is sporting it.
(http://www.indigohairsalon.co.uk/G2U-Email/jimmy-krankie-adelle.jpg)
If you shagged that would it be homosexuality, paedophilia or gerontophilia?
Bestiality.
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It's more like a cap than a crown.
Here he is sporting it.
(http://www.indigohairsalon.co.uk/G2U-Email/jimmy-krankie-adelle.jpg)
If you shagged that would it be homosexuality, paedophilia or gerontophilia?
Bestiality.
Nae fuck the wee beastie, ya radge!
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It's more like a cap than a crown.
Here he is sporting it.
(http://www.indigohairsalon.co.uk/G2U-Email/jimmy-krankie-adelle.jpg)
If you shagged that would it be homosexuality, paedophilia or gerontophilia?
The only thing I'd like to fuck Dalglish with is a Challenger II at 50mph.
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That story is here...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/01/21/bolton-v-liverpool-fc-preview-kenny-dalglish-s-belief-in-stewart-downing-unwavering-100252-30167724/
That comment by Daglish about how big a club they are shows what is wrong with them, Downing crashing and burning-great
So KKK is interviewed after Liverpool lose to Bolton and blames it on players being disrespectful (nothing to do with him of course because he has no input on any part of the teams pre match preparation). Then does exactly the same to us in an interview about Downing. I must revitalise my Liverpool hatred from the 80's
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That story is here...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/01/21/bolton-v-liverpool-fc-preview-kenny-dalglish-s-belief-in-stewart-downing-unwavering-100252-30167724/
That comment by Daglish about how big a club they are shows what is wrong with them, Downing crashing and burning-great
So KKK is interviewed after Liverpool lose to Bolton and blames it on players being disrespectful (nothing to do with him of course because he has no input on any part of the teams pre match preparation). Then does exactly the same to us in an interview about Downing. I must revitalise my Liverpool hatred from the 80's
Spend an hour with my big brother, he'll have you foaming at the mouth.
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I am gutted I only recently found out Jimmy Krankie was a women and now to find out
she was KING OF THE KOP KENNY in her spare time I am mortified. You will be telling me
Happy Harry is a crook next and plays fagan in the West End
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That story is here...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/01/21/bolton-v-liverpool-fc-preview-kenny-dalglish-s-belief-in-stewart-downing-unwavering-100252-30167724/
A quote from Dalglish taken from that article..
“For me, he’s better than I thought he was going to be,” Dalglish said.
Just what exactly was he expecting for twenty million? Own goals and assists for the opposition?
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Just what exactly was he expecting for twenty million? Own goals and assists for the opposition?
Nope, that costs £7.5m and comes in a Stephen Warnock shaped box.
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Hmmm.... Liverpool. I wrote a piece on my Villa column on the ESPN site shortly after they beat us at home (when we gave them the game, more or less, inside 15 mins) and mentioned that I thought our next opponents, Arsenal were a step above them; got some very pleasant comments from Liverpool fans after that. I think there's quite a lot of delusion going on there.
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Delusion and liverpool fans? Surely not.
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Of course Downing has been better than you expected Kenny.
You pay £20m for precisely zero end product and negligible work rate dont you?
He must think everybody else is fucking stupid. We know his boss is.
Now, can somebody rustle up a video of Heskey kicking a ball into a bin please.
Or maybe Mr Henry would be equally impressed by him fighting skeleton warriors with a magic rainbow sword. Something believable anyway.
Quickly now, before the transfer window shuts.
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Of course Downing has been better than you expected Kenny.
You pay £20m for precisely zero end product and negligible work rate dont you?
He must think everybody else is fucking stupid. We know his boss is.
Now, can somebody rustle up a video of Heskey kicking a ball into a bin please.
Or maybe Mr Henry would be equally impressed by him fighting skeleton warriors with a magic rainbow sword. Something believable anyway.
Quickly now, before the transfer window shuts.
Lets just go the whole hog and have Beye chipping them into Millie's Clode. That should do the trick.
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"So I said, John, there's this guy called Emilio Heskey and man, you gotta see this video. He like, totally kicks the ball off the international space station and on the way down it kills a Goose and he traps the ball with one foot doing keep ups while making pate from the goose with one hand. Then he kills a wizard with a Shoryuken power strike, but the wizard manages to summon some skeleton warriors who attack Heskey. But he summons a rainbow sword and slays them. We gotta do a deal for this guy.
Sorry about your prize cow by the way but I still think those magic beans will come good."
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That story is here...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/01/21/bolton-v-liverpool-fc-preview-kenny-dalglish-s-belief-in-stewart-downing-unwavering-100252-30167724/
A quote from Dalglish taken from that article..
“For me, he’s better than I thought he was going to be,” Dalglish said.
Just what exactly was he expecting for twenty million? Own goals and assists for the opposition?
It is the most idiotic thing to say. Not 1 goal or assist for a winger at Liverpool is criminal, even the most unlucky would have notched one by now... Robbie Keane was better value for them!
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It's the pressure you see. Downing was playing in a field watched by some kid's mum and a dog before he moved to mega sprawling superdome Anfield. Who are used to winning the league every year.
Do you know what it's like to have 40 odd thousand people from Dublin, Cornwall and Milton Keynes tutting at you? Do you? It's pressure like you've never known.
So yeah, he's done better than Liverpool could have expected for £20m.
They expected him to accidentally set fire to the training ground, murder prostitutes and walk around Liverpool town centre fouling the pavement and stealing toasters from Cash converters.
He's at least played football... after a fashion. It's progress from being pretty good for Villa.
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That said the similarities disappear once inside Goodison, which is surely the worst 'Big Club' stadium in the country.
It might be the worst stadium, but it's a great great football ground.
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That said the similarities disappear once inside Goodison, which is surely the worst 'Big Club' stadium in the country.
It might be the worst stadium, but it's a great great football ground.
Agreed,
give me Goodison, Craven Cottage, Fratton park, over Stoke, Arsenal and Sunderland every time
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Perhaps not Fratton Park
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Perhaps not Fratton Park
i love that ground, its like going back in time, its shit but in a good way
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It is the most idiotic thing to say. Not 1 goal or assist for a winger at Liverpool is criminal, even the most unlucky would have notched one by now... Robbie Keane was better value for them!
Whilst I readily join in the Downing bashing, the assist thing is a bit of a red herring to some extent as it was his corner that caused the first goal against us, but someone flicked it on to the actual scorer, and so they got the assist. And I suspect other similar things probably happened on some crosses. But still officially having none is still bad for him at this stage of the season.
Actually I just checked his stats over the years as he was supposed to be quite high in assists and they don't make good reading anyway. I have only included Prem matches as he mostly seems to do it in cup matches and for England and the opposition can vary greatly. His best ever season seems to be the one he broke through in early on. It is also interesting to see his shots have got more wayward as he has gone from almost half his shots on target to just about a quarter.
GS SB G A SH SG Season
19 3 0 0 47 14 11/12
38 0 7 7 98 26 10/11
23 2 2 1 46 13 09/10
37 0 0 3 82 20 08/09
38 0 9 5 85 45 07/08
34 0 2 7 70 32 06/07
11 1 1 4 23 12 05/06
28 7 5 11 70 45 04/05
7 13 0 1 6 6 03/04
GS: Games Started, SB: Used as Substitute, G: Goals, A: Assists, SH: Shots, SG: Shots on goal,
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Can't agree with you about Fratton, John. It's an absolute shitehole. At some time during your visit you will have to wade through puddles of urine.
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That story is here...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/01/21/bolton-v-liverpool-fc-preview-kenny-dalglish-s-belief-in-stewart-downing-unwavering-100252-30167724/
A quote from Dalglish taken from that article..
“For me, he’s better than I thought he was going to be,” Dalglish said.
Just what exactly was he expecting for twenty million? Own goals and assists for the opposition?
It is the most idiotic thing to say. Not 1 goal or assist for a winger at Liverpool is criminal, even the most unlucky would have notched one by now... Robbie Keane was better value for them!
Some lovely comments in there. What would Shanks a' said?
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They were discussing KK's wasted £100M on talksport today. Shaun Custis described things Downibg can't do:
Tackle
Track
Cover
Cross
Pass
Score
Other than that he has been worth all of his £20M.
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The comments under that Liverpool Echo story are brilliant.
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I particularly like the one '£20m for a lad who can kick the ball into a bin?, good job the bins cant tackle'
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I watched the 09/10 season review DVD earlier. I still hate the weasley rat-faced coward for the way he bottled that header against Arsenal. Twat!
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That story is here...
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/01/21/bolton-v-liverpool-fc-preview-kenny-dalglish-s-belief-in-stewart-downing-unwavering-100252-30167724/
A quote from Dalglish taken from that article..
“For me, he’s better than I thought he was going to be,” Dalglish said.
Just what exactly was he expecting for twenty million? Own goals and assists for the opposition?
It is the most idiotic thing to say. Not 1 goal or assist for a winger at Liverpool is criminal, even the most unlucky would have notched one by now... Robbie Keane was better value for them!
Did'nt he score the other week in the FA Cup against somebody or another?
Although i hated the way he buggered off, we truly robbed Liverpool of £20m.
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Hope it goes completely tits up for him, but to be honest he did look a good player for us last year.
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Downing, as was the way with us needs a season to settle in, something the Liverpool faithful don't look prepared to give him.
Although he was as Percy said very good for us last season he still had those traits that make him the wuss that he still is.
Scared of tackling
Goes missing in games
Not a game winner
Over half the season gone with league stats of no assists or goals along with his alleged women beating antics added to his current credentials does not look good business at his true value. Add in KK Kenny's ridiculous supportive comments for a player who cost £20M then you know Liverpool have a problem.
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I particularly like the one '£20m for a lad who can kick the ball into a bin?, good job the bins cant tackle'
I liked "How come he can't deliver a ball to the 6ft 5 inch trash can in the center then?"
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Hope it goes completely tits up for him, but to be honest he did look a good player for us last year.
Agreed Perc.
It surprises me that he's been as dire as he has there.
He was never the all action midfielder type who flies in with tackles and bosses a game.
But to read that he can't cross, can't pass and can't shoot -and that his impact on the right has been minimal (whereas with us, it's probably where he was at his best) is weird. Even if he wasn't running the show, he was always capable of those moments of quality that can turn a game.
From memory, I think on his league debut for them he cut in from the right and hit the bar. In a run very similar to the kind of thing he was doing for us last year. If that had gone in for him things might have been different. But no sympathy for the tart at all. At least Ash left regular first team football for us and has gone on to be a bit part player for a club in contention for honours. Downing doesn't even have that consolation. And could well miss out on a place at the Euros. Shame.
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Downing's best season could arguably for us last season or in 04/05. We did well to make so much profit.
As for Liverpool's downfall, I only wish it was terminal.
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Downing's best season could arguably for us last season or in 04/05. We did well to make so much profit.
As for Liverpool's downfall, I only wish it was terminal.
While maybe not terminal, I would say that the owner's heavy investment is very much like Randy's under MON. If the investment doesn't result in Champion's League football within the next 2 seasons then it's highly probable that they could undergo a similar trimming. I've not seen their accounts (and let's not go into that old argument again), but surely they can't be turning a profit?
EDIT: and for the record, keep it up KKKenny, you're doing a super job.
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Dalglish would've been better served staying as an ambassador for Liverpool becuase since his elevation to manager he seems to have turned into a fucking idiot.
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It is the most idiotic thing to say. Not 1 goal or assist for a winger at Liverpool is criminal, even the most unlucky would have notched one by now... Robbie Keane was better value for them!
Whilst I readily join in the Downing bashing, the assist thing is a bit of a red herring to some extent as it was his corner that caused the first goal against us, but someone flicked it on to the actual scorer, and so they got the assist. And I suspect other similar things probably happened on some crosses. But still officially having none is still bad for him at this stage of the season.
Actually I just checked his stats over the years as he was supposed to be quite high in assists and they don't make good reading anyway. I have only included Prem matches as he mostly seems to do it in cup matches and for England and the opposition can vary greatly. His best ever season seems to be the one he broke through in early on. It is also interesting to see his shots have got more wayward as he has gone from almost half his shots on target to just about a quarter.
GS SB G A SH SG Season
19 3 0 0 47 14 11/12
38 0 7 7 98 26 10/11
23 2 2 1 46 13 09/10
37 0 0 3 82 20 08/09
38 0 9 5 85 45 07/08
34 0 2 7 70 32 06/07
11 1 1 4 23 12 05/06
28 7 5 11 70 45 04/05
7 13 0 1 6 6 03/04
GS: Games Started, SB: Used as Substitute, G: Goals, A: Assists, SH: Shots, SG: Shots on goal,
Assuming on average he got 30 minutes as a sub.
On average in his league career its a goal every 9.4 games and an assist every 6.3 games. Not sure what the benchmark is but that doesnt sound very good for a winger - ie 5 games in 6 contributes bugger all.
c50% of his shots are off target and he only scores from 12% of his shots on target.
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While maybe not terminal, I would say that the owner's heavy investment is very much like Randy's under MON. If the investment doesn't result in Champion's League football within the next 2 seasons then it's highly probable that they could undergo a similar trimming. I've not seen their accounts (and let's not go into that old argument again), but surely they can't be turning a profit?
EDIT: and for the record, keep it up KKKenny, you're doing a super job.
When looking at they're spending, the £50m they got in for Torres needs to be taken into account. So they've spent something like £60m in a year, which is not disimilar to MON with us (Petrov, Young, Carew and then the dealings from the first full summer), especailly if you take price inflation from 06/07 into the equation. Given that the squad KKK inherited had finished 7th the season before, then his actual improvement is negligable at best, given the money spent.
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Dalglish would've been better served staying as an ambassador for Liverpool becuase since his elevation to manager he seems to have turned into a fucking idiot.
What do you mean turned into an idiot?
Its a pity that he'll bottle it again sooner rather than later, as he's doing a grand job at the Dippers.
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Pinch of salt and all that, but still amusing (http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/01/26/aston-villa-the-video-fake-that-fooled-liverpool-bosses-before-20-million-downing-move-97319-30207316/)
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Pinch of salt and all that, but still amusing (http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/01/26/aston-villa-the-video-fake-that-fooled-liverpool-bosses-before-20-million-downing-move-97319-30207316/)
It was originally printed in the Liverpool Echo, and unless it was from the Everton version of Lisa Whatsername from the Meaning Evil, then I suspect there is some truth there.
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Quick, make a viral video for Emile...
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Took a peek at RAWK this evening to see how the Liverpool fans are taking to Downing.
Some nice comments this evening.
Hopefully will be gone in the summer. Coward in general and he didnt look arsed tonight but no doubt he'll at least play some part in the final.
Downing is a goat.
Sterling in 15 mins did more than he did in the whole half... He just doesn't have the bottle to play for Liverpool Football Club... Simple as...
Did he actuaiiy do anything or did he sneek off at the start of the second half utter pish hope he never plays for us again
and those are all from one page.
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Took a peek at RAWK this evening to see how the Liverpool fans are taking to Downing.
Some nice comments this evening.
Hopefully will be gone in the summer. Coward in general and he didnt look arsed tonight but no doubt he'll at least play some part in the final.
Downing is a goat.
Sterling in 15 mins did more than he did in the whole half... He just doesn't have the bottle to play for Liverpool Football Club... Simple as...
Did he actuaiiy do anything or did he sneek off at the start of the second half utter pish hope he never plays for us again
and those are all from one page.
Oh how my heart bleeds!
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Just deserts.
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Lets hope they sell him at a loss before he has his "good" second season.
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....and while we applied a lot of those kind of comments to him as well, he was still one of our best players last year.
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Lets hope they sell him at a loss before he has his "good" second season.
Truth is, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he had a good season next year, the rat toothed cocksocket.
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I wish we got as much from N'zogbia as we got from Downing. Still the way he bailed out at first opportunity I hope he ends up in the Liverpool reserves scraping for the odd appearance and he wins fook all this year.
The thing is we know he will have a 'Winners' medal of some description at the end of this season. If he gets that it will not be remembered in the history books that he was shit for them.
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Always said that he has the sort of potential that a lot of managers think they can nurture and develop. He always looked very close to the real deal. Then they/we see the real player - a typical modern footballer, no sense of loyalty, spineless twat, no sense of the "team". Glad he's been found out at Liverpool after being our so-called "star" player last year.
He was never more than a complete overrated wanker.
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Apparently 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' are getting Royston Drenthe ,currently on loan at Everton so he could find his chances dwindling next season
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Christ.
Has anyone told them he's black?
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Maybe they thought it was Royston Vasey they were getting.
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Or Royston Cropper.
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I thought he was crap and all those other things on RAWK in his first year and much of his time at boro. But I thought he was excellent last year. I think he's massively a confidence player and he doesn't have the same desire as others.
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He hasn't got the mentality to perform at the real top level imo hence why he's never done much for England and has struggled under the spotlight at Liverpool.
A club like us or Spurs, on the fringes and with not as much attention was perfect for him to flourish.
Fair enough he's won a carling cup medal but he could easily have won that with us and he did win that with Boro.
He'll be finishing in a lower league position than he did for us and as for the champions league football he supposedly left for....
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Christ.
Has anyone told them he's black?
Really? All depictions show Christ to be of an Anglo Saxon appearance! ;D
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I thought he was crap and all those other things on RAWK in his first year and much of his time at boro. But I thought he was excellent last year. I think he's massively a confidence player and he doesn't have the same desire as others.
He was ok.
Never excellent.
Though good at times, he just never did enough.
I remember the Wolves game at home last year and I think it was Luke Young telling and pointing to Downing to pick up Jarvis. Downing didn't move an inch and Jarvis scored. Our Stewart walked back to the kick off like it was fuck all to do with him.
That fully qualifies him as a wanker in my humble opinion.
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Christ.
Has anyone told them he's black?
Really? All depictions show Christ to be of an Anglo Saxon appearance! ;D
Enough to believe he didn't exist.Similar to Downing in many matches
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I thought he was crap and all those other things on RAWK in his first year and much of his time at boro. But I thought he was excellent last year. I think he's massively a confidence player and he doesn't have the same desire as others.
He was ok.
Never excellent.
Though good at times, he just never did enough.
I remember the Wolves game at home last year and I think it was Luke Young telling and pointing to Downing to pick up Jarvis. Downing didn't move an inch and Jarvis scored. Our Stewart walked back to the kick off like it was fuck all to do with him.
That fully qualifies him as a wanker in my humble opinion.
Yes Stuart Downing, file under Complete Wanker
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Christ.
Has anyone told them he's black?
Really? All depictions show Christ to be of an Anglo Saxon appearance! ;D
Enough to believe he didn't exist.Similar to Downing in many matches
Bloke in front of me was a Downing fan.
I loved asking him on a regular basis "Is Downing playing today?"
He hated it and made the right sort of noises in defence of the weasel but you could just tell he felt let down...again.
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Christ.
Has anyone told them he's black?
Really? All depictions show Christ to be of an Anglo Saxon appearance! ;D
We all know that Jesus was a Black Man
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He should be nowhere near the England squad for the Euros.
0 goals in the league all season ;D
Give his place to Aaron Lennon.
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Yes, Aaron Lennon is exactly the kind of player you expect to see in an England shirt.
Overrated, goes missing, plays for Spurs
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Yes, Aaron Lennon is exactly the kind of player you expect to see in an England shirt.
Overrated, goes missing, plays for Spurs
Spot on Damon - add in 'no end product' and 'as thick as pigshit' to that list
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Christ.
Has anyone told them he's black?
Really? All depictions show Christ to be of an Anglo Saxon appearance! ;D
We all know that Jesus was a Black Man
Jesus was batman!
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No, that was Bruce Wayne.
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Yes Stuart Downing, file under Complete Wanker
What he does in the privacy of his own home, etc.
EDITED: We can't afford a legal team thank you.
Dave.
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Yes, Aaron Lennon is exactly the kind of player you expect to see in an England shirt.
Overrated, goes missing, plays for Spurs
Agree entirely. Taking players like him to tournaments are one of the reasons why we never win anything.
Hope he scores a couple tonight mind.
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Christ.
Has anyone told them he's black?
Really? All depictions show Christ to be of an Anglo Saxon appearance! ;D
We all know that Jesus was a Black Man
I always thought he looks like one of the Bee Gees.
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Yes Stuart Downing, file under Complete Wanker
What he does in the privacy of his own home, etc.
EDITED: We can't afford a legal team thank you.
Dave.
Cheapskate ;)
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Yes, Aaron Lennon is exactly the kind of player you expect to see in an England shirt.
Overrated, goes missing, plays for Spurs
That would make a fun Team With a Theme in the Timewasters section.
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Christ.
Has anyone told them he's black?
Really? All depictions show Christ to be of an Anglo Saxon appearance! ;D
We all know that Jesus was a Black Man
I always thought he looks like one of the Bee Gees.
Bee Geesus.
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Christ.
Has anyone told them he's black?
Really? All depictions show Christ to be of an Anglo Saxon appearance! ;D
We all know that Jesus was a Black Man
I always thought he looks like one of the Bee Gees.
Bee Geesus.
Top a da mornin' to ya!
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Abuse and contempt aside, there are some intelligent people posting on RAWK.
Though the endless mythologising about `the traditions of this club' gets a little tiresome. I guess tradition is something you cling to more when you're playing crap.
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I hope Downing slips on a discarded Twix wrapper on a step somewhere.
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There's many a slip betwixt twix and step.
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Which four wingers would you take then?
Lennon is a good player.
Probably the best right winger that we have.
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Abuse and contempt aside, there are some intelligent people posting on RAWK.
Though the endless mythologising about `the traditions of this club' gets a little tiresome. I guess tradition is something you cling to more when you're playing crap.
I think we have to be careful of that one!
;-)
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Which four wingers would you take then?
Lennon is a good player.
Probably the best right winger that we have.
Walcott, Sinclair, Young and Sturridge. Maybe Oxlade-Chamberlain and/or Adam Johnson.
I wouldn't take Lennon personally. Tramlined little berk.
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I'd definately take Adam Johnson, technically fantastic and our best winger in my opinion.
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Young for sure. Walcott more than likely. Johnson also for me.
After that I'm not too sure.
Sturridge is an interesting one as he can also be used as a striker. Versatility can often get you into a squad as much as ability.
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20m for Downing. We did well there.
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Adam Johnson is good but he doesn't play.
Walcott is a striker who plays on the wing.
Same with Sturridge (but he is quite good on the wing.)
I wouldn't take Sinclair.
Lennon, Walcott, Young, Johnson
Could take Sturridge as one of the 5 strikers.
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I wouldn't take Sinclair.
Yeah, forget about taking players in form. Why not just take the ones who have been rubbish before.
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I wouldn't take Sinclair.
Yeah, forget about taking players in form. Why not just take the ones who have been rubbish before.
Sinclair aint that good.
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I wouldn't take Sinclair.
Yeah, forget about taking players in form. Why not just take the ones who have been rubbish before.
Sinclair aint that good.
And Lennon's currently not as good as that. Why wouldn't you want to pick players who are playing well rather than playing poorly?
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Which four wingers would you take then?
Lennon is a good player.
Probably the best right winger that we have.
Young
Ox-Chamberlain
Walcott (overrated aswell though)
Sturridge
Milner
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I think over the course of the season Nathan Dyer's been more consistant than Sinclair.
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Which four wingers would you take then?
Lennon is a good player.
Probably the best right winger that we have.
Young
Ox-Chamberlain
Walcott (overrated aswell though)
Sturridge
Milner
I don't think Walcott is over-rated, he's just not a winger. Play him through the middle and he'd put away a lot of chances.
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Dosen't do it in the big games enough for me.
I do agree out wide isn't his thing, he may be more effectivce upfront but Arsenal don't play a 4-4-2 anymore.
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Dosen't do it in the big games enough for me.
I do agree out wide isn't his thing, he may be more effectivce upfront but Arsenal don't play a 4-4-2 anymore.
He is kind of wasted at Arsenal but think back to those two chances Gabby had last week when he was clean through on Foster, i reckon Walcott would have put at least one of them away.
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Walcott misses plenty aswell.
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Remember when Michael Owen was young and fast and lethal?
That is Theo Walcott.
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Adam Johnson is good but he doesn't play.
Walcott is a striker who plays on the wing.
Same with Sturridge (but he is quite good on the wing.)
I wouldn't take Sinclair.
Lennon, Walcott, Young, Johnson
Could take Sturridge as one of the 5 strikers.
I'd consult FIFA 2012 before making any decision.
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Trouble is, Handsworth nose, you *don't* remember when Michael Owen was young and fast and lethal, otherwise you wouldn't be making comparisons like that. Walcott has one decent game a season. Back when you were a sperm, Owen looked like scoring every time he got the ball.
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Remember when Michael Owen was young and fast and lethal?
That is Theo Walcott.
Wow, no.
So no.
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Remember when Michael Owen was young and fast and lethal?
That is Theo Walcott.
That was a shock. I though for a moment you meant the Theo Walcott who plays for Arsenal.
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If Walcott played up front, you play him in and he would finish it off.
Seriously he is wasted on the wing.
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Walcott has never been and will never be anywhere near the player the young Owen was.
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I'm sure that Michael Owen had a broken leg in my Subbuteo team. Must have knelt on him. Amazing what a recovery he made.
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Remember when Michael Owen was young and fast and lethal?
That is Theo Walcott.
Wow, no.
So no.
I had to chuckle at that comparison. In the same breath, I've found myself comparing Alan Shearer to Kevin Francis and playing that "what if" game.
Theo Walcott could play the rest of his career and won't be close to what Michael Owen was in his first few years. He was incredible.
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Walcott is a good player. Owen at his best was one of the best strikers in the world.
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Owen was a bit like Steve Bull
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Walcott is a good player. Owen at his best was one of the best strikers in the world.
He is another SWP, does something brilliant every now and a gain but 99 times out of 100, he is poor.
I think that Oxlade Chamberlain will be a much better player.
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The only similarity I can see between Owen and Walcott is that they both appear to have all the charisma of a slice of mild cheddar.
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Owen is not like cheddar. For a start, people like cheddar.
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Which cheese is it that's full of holes? He's more like that one these days.
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Which reminds me of the time I bought Stevie Wonder a cheese grater for his birthday. He said it was the most violent book he'd ever read.
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Downing is like camembert. It's no good for ages, brilliant for five minutes, then it's off
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He is right though, Walcott is not a winger. His delivery is poorer than a one legged paper boy with a bad case of gout.
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There are different types of wingers. Ones who stay wide and get the ball in and ones who are basically a wide striker. Walcott is the latter and still much better than Aaron Lennon in my opinion.
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Which reminds me of the time I bought Stevie Wonder a cheese grater for his birthday. He said it was the most violent book he'd ever read.
I'm so sad for laughing at that
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Downing is like camembert. It's no good for ages, brilliant for five minutes, then it's off
Superb.
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My mate set me up on a blind date with this girl and warned me that though she was great, she was expecting a baby.
So I felt like a right twat in the pub wearing nothing but a nappy.
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Quality Maz. I'm in the garden with the cat, having a smoke and giggling.
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Quality Maz. I'm in the garden with the cat, having a smoke and giggling.
Your cat smokes?
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Quality Maz. I'm in the garden with the cat, having a smoke and giggling.
Your cat smokes?
I hope not. That is worse than feeding it Vindaloo.
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Quality Maz. I'm in the garden with the cat, having a smoke and giggling.
Your cat smokes?
And giggles. Usually when he smokes.
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Quality Maz. I'm in the garden with the cat, having a smoke and giggling.
Your cat smokes?
I hope not. That is worse than feeding it Vindaloo.
Yes, but it pays well.
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Incredibly, I read in The Times this morning that Downing hasn't created or scored a goal for Liverpool in the league as yet.
That takes some doing, even one of us lot would probably manage to do it by accident if we were in his position.
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There was another piece in the Mail saying that in fact, he has created loads of chances, and Carroll has missed them all.
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Lichaj had Lennon in his pocket today.
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Lichaj had Lennon in his pocket today.
And who but Yoko Ono could say that?
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Lichaj had Lennon in his pocket today.
And who but Yoko Ono could say that?
Cynthia.
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Downing told he can leave Anfield http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/20744587
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He did a piece in the Liverpool programme yesterday which is where his quotes are from.
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Boro or Sunderland i reckon, although it would'nt surprise me to see him end up at QPR.
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how much does everyone think he'd go for?
I wouldn't be surprised to see stoke or west ham take a punt on him.
But it depends on their finances
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I reckon they will do well to get 10 million for him. Cant see him going to West Ham as they bought Jarvis.
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He can end up at Real Madrid for all I care, as long as the little shit doesn't wind up back here.
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I reckon they will do well to get 10 million for him. Cant see him going to West Ham as they bought Jarvis.
there is that, I thought they could play him on the right (we did). with any luck tho he'll end up in russia with David Bentley.
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how much does everyone think he'd go for?
I'd say about £8m.
Pretty nailed on that he'll go out on loan though.
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QPR for £8m or Sunderland for £15m
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£8 million does sound about right.
He was worth more when he'd just been relegated and had a broken leg!
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Fuck him. At one point I though given our lack of experience and the ability of football fans to forgive to a point as long as the player does the business, that I'd take him back here. I am now fully medicated and have come to the conclusion that he can go and rot. I'm delighted that him and bessie mate Carroll have seen their careers nosedive into a shit filled toilet. Wankers.
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I'll fuck him too. No wait, that came out wrong. He can suck my balls the wanker! Actually, that's not really improved things.
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I'll fuck him too. No wait, that came out wrong. He can suck my balls the wanker! Actually, that's not really improved things.
do you think you love him secretly
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I loved the abuse we gave him yesterday and the fact that the Liverpool fans didnt bother defending him. pretty embarrassing getting booed in your home ground.
That said he was the only one of their players who really wanted to win, he played decently I thought.
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I loved the abuse we gave him yesterday and the fact that the Liverpool fans didnt bother defending him. pretty embarrassing getting booed in your home ground.
That said he was the only one of their players who really wanted to win, he played decently I thought.
did he receive plenty or just a little?
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I loved the abuse we gave him yesterday and the fact that the Liverpool fans didnt bother defending him. pretty embarrassing getting booed in your home ground.
That said he was the only one of their players who really wanted to win, he played decently I thought.
did he receive plenty or just a little?
Booed every time he touched the ball, "what a waste of money" chants. Went on most of the game.
To be fair to him he responded by wanting to play better against us, he didnt lash out or try and get our players booked.
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No matter how much abuse he got it won't have been enough the turncoat little wanker.
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£8 million does sound about right.
He was worth more when he'd just been relegated and had a broken leg!
Yes but that was MONonomics.
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£8 million does sound about right.
He was worth more when he'd just been relegated and had a broken leg!
Yes but that was MONonomics.
Indeed, for some reason I can't help but think, that he's super thrifty with his own money.
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I loved the abuse we gave him yesterday and the fact that the Liverpool fans didnt bother defending him. pretty embarrassing getting booed in your home ground.
Just watching the game and resilience of our away supporters is commendable. Not missed a single chance to let him know he is a wanker.
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The more abuse we give him makes him less likely he is to come back which is great with me
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Middlesboro' about Downing's right level ;)
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Middlesboro' about Downing's right level ;)
Yep,give it a year and he'll be in the Chamionship.
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So he has been told he can leave Liverpool.... Good decision to leave us and join them Downing?
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I'd say 8 mill is a bit high unless Sunderland are interested. The market rate for clapped out wingers who once had a reasonable reputation seems to be about 6 or 7 mill. Liverpool will have to ask a less than that to actually shift his wages onto someone else's books unless they are prepared to pay an ongoing percentage.
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Who is mad enough to take Downing, he is damaged goods. He will probably end up in Turkey, that is normally the face saving option for er turkeys
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One of my mates is a Liverpool fan, and I told him at the start of this season that I thought Downing would come good for them. He strikes me very much as a confidence player, and his first half season for us, after his injury, he was utterly gash. Once he'd got his fitness back, and built his confidence, he started doing it for us.
You can call him a fanny who bottles tackles, but, he's a winger, and since when did wingers need to be putting in crunching tackles? Don't get me wrong, he's a weasel faced cock socket, who i find thoroughly reprehensible, but he was exceptional for us in his last season.
At Liverpool, he's had a disastrous first season, and found himself with a manager who clearly doesn't want him (as has Darren Bent), s he's not going to get the chance to prove himself.
There's obviously not going to be any way back for him here. For a start, he probably doesn't want to, but then we also have a manager who clearly doesn't believe in wingers. I suspect he'll go somewhere were there is less expectation on him and he'll do quite well. If someone can pay the right sort of money for him (NB, Martin, that's not 15m), then I think they'll get a good deal from him.
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I've just noticed on MOTD that for our second goal yesterday rat-face realises far too late that Andy Weimann is running through the middle on his own. However he puts a sprint on to get in a position where he could put in a tackle, before realising when the ball gets backheeled by Benteke that he can't tackle so he backs off completely and gives Weimann the free shot to score.
What an absolute shower of shite he is! I'd rather play with 10 men than have him back in the side.
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Felt he was their best player yesterday even out of position at LB Certainly he performed better than Rodgers £15mil midfielder.
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I've just noticed on MOTD that for our second goal yesterday rat-face realises far too late that Andy Weimann is running through the middle on his own. However he puts a sprint on to get in a position where he could put in a tackle, before realising when the ball gets backheeled by Benteke that he can't tackle so he backs off completely and gives Weimann the free shot to score.
What an absolute shower of shite he is! I'd rather play with 10 men than have him back in the side.
I'd rather play with 10 men than have him at left back, as he was yesterday. And to be honest, a lot of people reckon he was their best player. That's how in the shit Liverpool are.
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Felt he was their best player yesterday even out of position at LB Certainly he performed better than Rodgers £15mil midfielder.
I honestly reckon that if Downing tried to find an opposition player with his cross he'd be a world class winger.He managed a staggering 13 crosses on Saturday. Only two found a red shirt. All the bullshit about how he used to supply the goals for Bent last season was just that, bullshit.
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One of my mates is a Liverpool fan, and I told him at the start of this season that I thought Downing would come good for them. He strikes me very much as a confidence player, and his first half season for us, after his injury, he was utterly gash. Once he'd got his fitness back, and built his confidence, he started doing it for us.
You can call him a fanny who bottles tackles, but, he's a winger, and since when did wingers need to be putting in crunching tackles? Don't get me wrong, he's a weasel faced cock socket, who i find thoroughly reprehensible, but he was exceptional for us in his last season.
At Liverpool, he's had a disastrous first season, and found himself with a manager who clearly doesn't want him (as has Darren Bent), s he's not going to get the chance to prove himself.
There's obviously not going to be any way back for him here. For a start, he probably doesn't want to, but then we also have a manager who clearly doesn't believe in wingers. I suspect he'll go somewhere were there is less expectation on him and he'll do quite well. If someone can pay the right sort of money for him (NB, Martin, that's not 15m), then I think they'll get a good deal from him.
He's got ability but he's a coward, not just for shitting out of tackles but the way he so often seems to take the safe option when in position to do more.
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Felt he was their best player yesterday even out of position at LB Certainly he performed better than Rodgers £15mil midfielder.
I honestly reckon that if Downing tried to find an opposition player with his cross he'd be a world class winger.He managed a staggering 13 crosses on Saturday. Only two found a red shirt. All the bullshit about how he used to supply the goals for Bent last season was just that, bullshit.
He's had his best season in the Premiership in his last season at B6. Built his transfer fee up, (thanks a lot), and off he trotted to European Football, or so he thought. Saturday took Villa above MON and Pardew and if we carry on with good form , we could be above the Red Scouse as well. ;D
The ball's rolling at VP, just need to steer clear of too many injuries.
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He's been told that he can leave Liverpool. Shame.
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He's been told that he can leave Liverpool. Shame.
Ha!
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I am reminded of that Liverpool scarf pic with Carroll and that ugly barmaid.
How that dream has died spectacularly.
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I think there's a decent player in there somewhere, he could still do a job at VP, probably not in the current system.
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He's on his way to Arsenal no doubt about it
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I think there's a decent player in there somewhere, he could still do a job at VP, probably not in the current system.
we dont need hamster bollocks at our club. he is no longer welcome!
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He's on his way to Arsenal no doubt about it
He is too old and too English for Arsenal.
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Felt he was their best player yesterday even out of position at LB Certainly he performed better than Rodgers £15mil midfielder.
I honestly reckon that if Downing tried to find an opposition player with his cross he'd be a world class winger.He managed a staggering 13 crosses on Saturday. Only two found a red shirt. All the bullshit about how he used to supply the goals for Bent last season was just that, bullshit.
I'd put a majority of that down to our defending especially Baker who was very strong aerially.
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Rudy's bang on, he can't pick a player out.When he played for us his final ball was poor, as was Ashleys to be fair.Lplop fail because if you sit deep against them, they have no alternative plan.Good, can't stand them.
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I think there's a decent player in there somewhere, he could still do a job at VP, probably not in the current system.
we dont need hamster bollocks at our club. he is no longer welcome!
Downing is about as far away from the type of player Lambert is looking for as its possible to get.
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He's on his way to Arsenal no doubt about it
QPR, 'arry won't be able to resist.
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Rudy's bang on, he can't pick a player out.When he played for us his final ball was poor, as was Ashleys to be fair.Lplop fail because if you sit deep against them, they have no alternative plan.Good, can't stand them.
Bit like the Villa at home?
The challenge for us will be to get our home tactics right: we've done okay so far, but both the Arse and Stokies should have been despatched - we have to find a way of breaking down teams who sit back.
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I caught a glimpse from the dreams of children
I got a feeling of optimism
But woke up to a grey and lonely picture
The streets below left me feeling dirty, and
I was alone, no one was there
(http://mit.zenfs.com/210/2011/06/scaled-13.jpg)
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I think there's a decent player in there somewhere, he could still do a job at VP, probably not in the current system.
we dont need hamster bollocks at our club. he is no longer welcome!
Downing is about as far away from the type of player Lambert is looking for as its possible to get.
not to mention he's also a bit rubbish
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Felt he was their best player yesterday even out of position at LB Certainly he performed better than Rodgers £15mil midfielder.
I honestly reckon that if Downing tried to find an opposition player with his cross he'd be a world class winger.He managed a staggering 13 crosses on Saturday. Only two found a red shirt. All the bullshit about how he used to supply the goals for Bent last season was just that, bullshit.
I disagree completely.
We defended excellently and have a goalkeeper who will claim anything that it's near him but he managed to find a man twice, that's not brilliant but not terrible, a similar number of crosses of similar quality would see him get 7-8 assists for the season, which is decent for a premier league winger.
That's exactly what he is, a decent mid table premier league winger, the problem is £20m was well over double his value after we'd already massively overpaid.
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Felt he was their best player yesterday even out of position at LB Certainly he performed better than Rodgers £15mil midfielder.
I honestly reckon that if Downing tried to find an opposition player with his cross he'd be a world class winger.He managed a staggering 13 crosses on Saturday. Only two found a red shirt. All the bullshit about how he used to supply the goals for Bent last season was just that, bullshit.
I disagree completely.
We defended excellently and have a goalkeeper who will claim anything that it's near him but he managed to find a man twice, that's not brilliant but not terrible, a similar number of crosses of similar quality would see him get 7-8 assists for the season, which is decent for a premier league winger.
That's exactly what he is, a decent mid table premier league winger, the problem is £20m was well over double his value after we'd already massively overpaid.
he was bought ultimately for a final day performance against Liverpool. yes he had had a decent season, but that game got him his move. exactly the same move for a player that o'neill made when we signed sidwell. that february game sealed his eventual move to us.
both managers have needed to be a bit more long sighted than they were, but thanks kenny anyway!
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carroll 35 million
downing 20
Henderson 16/20 ??
Allen 15 million
ha ha . I do love football sometimes
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Plus about £7million on Adam and then flogging him 12 months later to Stoke for £4million.
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We defended excellently and have a goalkeeper who will claim anything that it's near him but he managed to find a man twice, that's not brilliant but not terrible, a similar number of crosses of similar quality would see him get 7-8 assists for the season, which is decent for a premier league winger.
Is it? Last season Premier League clubs scored, on average, about 50 goals over the course of a season. If over the course of that season you create only 15% of your team's goals as one of two main wingers it sounds pretty crap to me.
Wasn't there a stat last season that he didn't create a single goal? Who wants a winger who can't create goals? We said it at the time that Man City got the best of Middlesborough's wingers - half a decent season with us (and it was only half, he scored a few goals in the first half and did very little in the second) doesn't change that view.
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Downing only scores against liverpoo
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I think there's a decent player in there somewhere, he could still do a job at VP, probably not in the current system.
Selling pies?
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Good player.
But someone who dosen't have the mentallity or the bottle to play for a club where expectations remain high like at Liverpool.
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We defended excellently and have a goalkeeper who will claim anything that it's near him but he managed to find a man twice, that's not brilliant but not terrible, a similar number of crosses of similar quality would see him get 7-8 assists for the season, which is decent for a premier league winger.
Is it? Last season Premier League clubs scored, on average, about 50 goals over the course of a season. If over the course of that season you create only 15% of your team's goals as one of two main wingers it sounds pretty crap to me.
Wasn't there a stat last season that he didn't create a single goal? Who wants a winger who can't create goals? We said it at the time that Man City got the best of Middlesborough's wingers - half a decent season with us (and it was only half, he scored a few goals in the first half and did very little in the second) doesn't change that view.
Yes it is.
This season so far (http://www.worldfootball.net/assists/eng-premier-league-2012-2013/)
As you'll see 4 currently gets you to joint 8th (that's less that 1 in 4, so averages around 8-9 for the season) and 3 (which would be 6-7 over a season) gets you 18th. So I'd guess 7-8 will see someone in the top 15 on assists for the season. Seems reasonable to quantify said player as a decent mid-table winger to me.
The way assists are calculated in the official stats is pretty stringent so no where near all goals have an assist recorded for them (direct free kicks and penaltes for example aren't recorded, and if the player who scores carries the ball for a decent distance no assist is recorded either), in real terms for 50 goals probably only 30ish count as having an assist. 7-8 would be roughly 25%, which again is a perfectly acceptable return.