January Transfer Speculation (or lack of) Thread

[SheffieldVillain]

oh please, everyone knows the situation with doncaster. Its just a shop window for players down on their luck, which means some fruitcase at villa still thinks we can get some sort of fee for him

But they are still paying a percentage of his wage, albeit a small one. Which saves money on Villa either paying his full wage with him sitting in the reserves, or paying his contract up in full.

[glasses]

you'd just pay 'em off in that case. What is the point of us having beye in the squad? he's never going to play. We could have sold him to a championship club and offered to pay half his wages for the season. Still would have cost us less than currently

Do you really not think we've tried to do that?

Not really. I think the wage bill is a smokescreen and it suits the club to point out the likes of beye as a reason why they can't spend

Yes, of course. They're happy to keep Beye on the wagebill just so they don't have to spend his wages on someone else. Presumably on orders from the President Emeritus's office

look dave, you've got a player who's not worth a sausage and who isn't going to play. What other reason is there for keeping him? Just pay up his contract and let him leave. It won't cost us a penny more than having him in the reserves till May.

So you are saying that you would pay him his wages until the end of his contract, and send him off as a free agent to sign for someone else immediately, rather than keep the player as an employee of the club until his contract reaches its end, use him as back up in emergency situuations, or send him on loan to a championship club with a recall option (unknown I guess).

yes indeedy

It costs the club the same either way though doesn't it? So is it not better to keep him as back up should we have an epic injury crisis? Are Doncaster at least paying some of his wages? Even if it is as little as 5%, that is still costing the club less than your plan Greg.

[Greg N'Ash]

not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*


*those with an actual value usually.

[Dave]

not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*


*those with an actual value usually.

So you would rather he were back in our reserves or we were paying his contract up in full, rather than us actually doing what you just said you wanted us to do?

[Clampy]

not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*


*those with an actual value usually.

Un-informed being the word of the day Greg i think.

[SheffieldVillain]

not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*


*those with an actual value usually.

Yes, they take players others don't want and pay a small percentage of their wages in return. Which is exactly what you suggested we should do with Beye, and funnily enough is exactly what we are doing with Beye.

[dave.woodhall]

not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*


*those with an actual value usually.

Earlier on you said we didn't want to get rid of Beye because he's an excuse not to spend money. Now you're saying the club we loaned him to is somewhere to send players you want to get rid of. Logic doesn't really figure highly Chez Nash does it?

[Ryu]

Back to Greg's point about it taking a munich style disaster for beye to get near the team. (Even though it's moot as he's out on loan)

Against stoke we played cuellar at right back because our first choice was suspended. Our reserve right back lichaj was injured and the next in line to cover there would have been herd who was also injured. So it wouldn't take a hugely unlikely turn of events to thrust beye into the first team squad.

[johnny from donny]

John M'Zog, please read your own sig and take your own advice.
Just hope if we do get another loan player in we negotiate the deal properly and put in the following;
1, a clause so we have an option to buy the player at an agreed fee if things work out for him here.
and 2, a return clause so we are not liable for 5 months wages if he gets injured.
Don't hold out much hope though. As the saying goes; most people live and learn, others just live.

[dave.woodhall]

Back to Greg's point about it taking a munich style disaster for beye to get near the team. (Even though it's moot as he's out on loan)

Against stoke we played cuellar at right back because our first choice was suspended. Our reserve right back lichaj was injured and the next in line to cover there would have been herd who was also injured. So it wouldn't take a hugely unlikely turn of events to thrust beye into the first team squad.

It would take an injury crisis of the magnitude we haven't experienced since as far back as last year.

[Greg N'Ash]

look beye is not gonna play. full stop. every defender in the club from youth upwards would have to crocked for him to get a game. Its as ridiculous as keeping Salifou for the remainder of his contract. Totally utterly pointless

[SheffieldVillain]

look beye is not gonna play. full stop. every defender in the club from youth upwards would have to crocked for him to get a game. Its as ridiculous as keeping Salifou for the remainder of his contract. Totally utterly pointless

So let's be clear then. You're saying that we should pay the full cost of Beye's contract now, rather than sending him off on loan and paying less of Beye's salary?

[Ryu]

"look beye is not gonna play. full stop. every defender in the club from youth upwards would have to crocked for him to get a game. Its as ridiculous as keeping Salifou for the remainder of his contract. Totally utterly pointless"


Which is why comma in my opinion comma the club have loaned him out full stop

[Greg N'Ash]

not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*


*those with an actual value usually.

Earlier on you said we didn't want to get rid of Beye because he's an excuse not to spend money. Now you're saying the club we loaned him to is somewhere to send players you want to get rid of. Logic doesn't really figure highly Chez Nash does it?

Doncaster don't want him, they don't want any of the players they sign. Its just their system. He's not worth anything, putting a worthless player in a shop window is pointless.  Just some and mirrors again.

[SheffieldVillain]

not really. have you heard whats going on there? For the uniformed its basically where clubs send players they're desperate to get rid of*


*those with an actual value usually.

Earlier on you said we didn't want to get rid of Beye because he's an excuse not to spend money. Now you're saying the club we loaned him to is somewhere to send players you want to get rid of. Logic doesn't really figure highly Chez Nash does it?

Doncaster don't want him, they don't want any of the players they sign. Its just their system. He's not worth anything, putting a worthless player in a shop window is pointless.  Just some and mirrors again.

Who gives a stuff why they've signed him on loan? What possible difference does it make to Villa? He's not hanging around the club and we've shifted part of the cost of his wages to someone else.