Herd's red card appeal successful!

[olaftab]

               

Good news. But, 1. It doesn't change the result, and 2. Explain how a penalty can be given for an off the ball incident.

It's a direct free kick for a foul and in 18 yard box it means a penalty.

[Lsvilla]

Alex fucking Cropley, wankstain.

and from me

[mrfuse]

I agree that Huttons tackle deserved a red card but it didnt look intentional and obviously Herds card had to be rescinded. To be honest im not that worried about Hutton or Warnock in defense, Im more worried about central midfield and the lack of creativity.

[brian green]

Actually I would play Hutton at Cindyland.   I would get him to man mark Cattermole and sell the rights to Home Box Office.

[Villanation]

Positive news..

[villajk]

A bit controversial this but I have sympathy for the Referee's assistant- I thought Herd had stamped on Olsen and said to by mate at the time that he was going to be sent off. From where I sat Trinity Block B3 it seemed obvious before the free kick that Olsen was winding Herd up and I could not understand why the ref's assistant had not seen Olsen push Herd away (a definate case of arms raised) to the point it looked like a punch to the shoulder. As the free kick came over it appeared that Olsen was going for a penalty by making it look as though Herd had dragged him to the ground- it then appeared as though Herd stamped ( OK I expect none of you to call me as a witness for the defence). From the camera view it did look as though Herd was trying to get his foot away from Olsens arm- however from the Trinity it looked like a stamp- two views, two different interpretations.

Thats what I have been saying, that was my view as well. [Upper Trinity] I was watching Herd as the ball was cleard

As I have said in another thread if I had been the linesman I would have sent him of as well.

We were sat in the Middle Trinity, B4, and we saw it exactly as it was.  Olsen had hold of Herd's foot.  We thought the linesman had flagged for a free kick to us and were completely shocked when the penalty was given and Herd was sent oFf.

If I had been the linesman the free kick would have been ours.

[Breezeblock]

Good news. But, 1. It doesn't change the result, and 2. Explain how a penalty can be given for an off the ball incident.

2 doesn't need explaining. Ther rules are that if an offence is committed in the penalty area then a penalty shall be awarded. Just because it was "off the ball" doesn't make it any less of an offence (in the hallucenogenic world of the linesman who thought an offence had been committed)

It is not a consistent rule. If so why didn’t Peter Walton give a Penalty for Joey Barton’s foul on Gervinho in the Newcastle v Arsenal match in August? Gervinho dived in the Newcastle penalty box, but the ref allowed play to continue. Then Barton yanked Gervinho to his feet. The game was stopped for this action, but then a melee started. Barton was eventually awarded a yellow card and Gervinho was sent off for his retaliation, but the initial stoppage was for Barton's actions. The incident was off the ball in the penalty box while the ball was in play, just like the Herd incident.

Dont ask me how the minds of referees work - I'm just telling you what the laws of the game state. How the refs and linesmen choose to interpret them is anyones guess.  You seemed to be under the impression that if something happens "off the ball" it doesn't count as a foul but that is clearly wrong. All of the pushing and holding that goes on before a corner and free kick is fouling and the ref is well within their rights to give a foul and even award a penalty. I wish the refs would start doing that - it'd cut that sillyness out almost overnight.

[Fergal]

Herds appeal was successful,but Alan Hutton was very lucky not to be sent off,now that Shane Long is off for nearly six weeks due to a knee injury ,I am sure he is very happy with himself .Villas back four troglodites kicked him off the pitch,I hope someone breaks Alans legs if there is a God,what goes around comes around . 

Not very good use of grammar there. That isn't what you're being banned for, by the way.

Dave, I think you are bang out of order banning him.  I like to see that type of poster played with and tormented before we get bored with them...

[Greg N'Ash]

no-brainer. i'd have been staggered if any other decision was reached to be honest.

[oldtimernow]

any news on Olsson's opinion following the rescinding of the red card?

ie he knows what he was doing by holding onto Herd's leg.....mmm...thought not

[adrenachrome]

Good news. But, 1. It doesn't change the result, and 2. Explain how a penalty can be given for an off the ball incident.

2 doesn't need explaining. Ther rules are that if an offence is committed in the penalty area then a penalty shall be awarded. Just because it was "off the ball" doesn't make it any less of an offence (in the hallucenogenic world of the linesman who thought an offence had been committed)

It is not a consistent rule. If so why didn’t Peter Walton give a Penalty for Joey Barton’s foul on Gervinho in the Newcastle v Arsenal match in August? Gervinho dived in the Newcastle penalty box, but the ref allowed play to continue. Then Barton yanked Gervinho to his feet. The game was stopped for this action, but then a melee started. Barton was eventually awarded a yellow card and Gervinho was sent off for his retaliation, but the initial stoppage was for Barton's actions. The incident was off the ball in the penalty box while the ball was in play, just like the Herd incident.

Dont ask me how the minds of referees work - I'm just telling you what the laws of the game state. How the refs and linesmen choose to interpret them is anyones guess.  You seemed to be under the impression that if something happens "off the ball" it doesn't count as a foul but that is clearly wrong. All of the pushing and holding that goes on before a corner and free kick is fouling and the ref is well within their rights to give a foul and even award a penalty. I wish the refs would start doing that - it'd cut that sillyness out almost overnight.

Could not agree more: when players like Angel and Gabby have to build up upper body strength so that they can compete in the all in wrestling that is the Premiership dead ball into the area, you have to wonder where will it end.

[ktvillan]

Good news. But, 1. It doesn't change the result, and 2. Explain how a penalty can be given for an off the ball incident.

2 doesn't need explaining. Ther rules are that if an offence is committed in the penalty area then a penalty shall be awarded. Just because it was "off the ball" doesn't make it any less of an offence (in the hallucenogenic world of the linesman who thought an offence had been committed)

It is not a consistent rule. If so why didn’t Peter Walton give a Penalty for Joey Barton’s foul on Gervinho in the Newcastle v Arsenal match in August? Gervinho dived in the Newcastle penalty box, but the ref allowed play to continue. Then Barton yanked Gervinho to his feet. The game was stopped for this action, but then a melee started. Barton was eventually awarded a yellow card and Gervinho was sent off for his retaliation, but the initial stoppage was for Barton's actions. The incident was off the ball in the penalty box while the ball was in play, just like the Herd incident.

Dont ask me how the minds of referees work - I'm just telling you what the laws of the game state. How the refs and linesmen choose to interpret them is anyones guess.  You seemed to be under the impression that if something happens "off the ball" it doesn't count as a foul but that is clearly wrong. All of the pushing and holding that goes on before a corner and free kick is fouling and the ref is well within their rights to give a foul and even award a penalty. I wish the refs would start doing that - it'd cut that sillyness out almost overnight.

Could not agree more: when players like Angel and Gabby have to build up upper body strength so that they can compete in the all in wrestling that is the Premiership dead ball into the area, you have to wonder where will it end.

Me too.  Stoke would be playing with 7 men every week if the rules were applied properly.

[eamonn]

Not being funny but...Herd gets his red card rescinded which is an open acknowledgement that the assistant referee was wrong.
But in this day and age, with so much money riding on final league positions should there not be recourse for getting the game replayed?

We lost up to three points based on that ridiculous decision and we just have to accept it even though the decision-makers bosses ruled they were wrong.

At the very least, the assistant and Dowd should be made run 20 laps around Villa Park naked while Sister Assumpta from Father Ted whips them with a shitty stick.

[dave.woodhall]

Not being funny but...Herd gets his red card rescinded which is an open acknowledgement that the assistant referee was wrong.
But in this day and age, with so much money riding on final league positions should there not be recourse for getting the game replayed?

The scary thing is - how long until some club demands just that?

[glasses]

Not being funny but...Herd gets his red card rescinded which is an open acknowledgement that the assistant referee was wrong.
But in this day and age, with so much money riding on final league positions should there not be recourse for getting the game replayed?

We lost up to three points based on that ridiculous decision and we just have to accept it even though the decision-makers bosses ruled they were wrong.

At the very least, the assistant and Dowd should be made run 20 laps around Villa Park naked while Sister Assumpta from Father Ted whips them with a shitty stick.

I dont think we lost the points based on that decision. Rather than castigate the referee, who got more than one decision wrong at the weekend, perhaps we should be more concerned at the piss poor reactions and performance of our players, and perhaps manager too, after the sending off. The spineless display upset and shocked me much more than the sending off.