Lowest Point

[not3bad]

I can only assume the days of GT2 or DOL have been forgotten very quickly

By some.

[Damo70]

Lowest point is obviously a personal view and dictated by how old you are. As a forty year old who started going in 1979 I thought being a twelve year old at St. Andrews on boxing day '82 was as bad as life got. Unfortunately I found out in 1987 that it could get far, far worse. I will never forget how I felt walking out of Villa Park after the Sheff Wed game. Apologies to all the drama queens and anti McLeish people but for me last night doesn't even register on the scale.

[Risso]

Of course it's not the lowest point, but it feels pretty bloody disappointing all the same I have to say.  The sooner Lerner sells up and fucks off, the better.

Presumably to one of the string of billionaires sitting there waiting to buy a football club. Then they can put in a fortune. Then as soon as something goes wrong you can say "He's shit. He's useless. He should sell up." And the cycle can start again.

That's the sort of shit argument always put about. "Why would would anybody else want to buy/manage Villa?".  It wouldn't take much to be owned by somebody with more of a clue than Lerner, that'd be a start.

[RunRickyRun]

Of course it's not the lowest point, but it feels pretty bloody disappointing all the same I have to say.  The sooner Lerner sells up and fucks off, the better.

Presumably to one of the string of billionaires sitting there waiting to buy a football club. Then they can put in a fortune. Then as soon as something goes wrong you can say "He's shit. He's useless. He should sell up." And the cycle can start again.

That's the sort of shit argument always put about. "Why would would anybody else want to buy/manage Villa?".  It wouldn't take much to be owned by somebody with more of a clue than Lerner, that'd be a start.

It's not a 'shit argument' at all. It's a bit childish of you to call something you disagree with a 'shit argument'.

Randy has invested circa 270m into the club (£65m purchase, £90m loan notes, £115m equity). There aren't many chairmen in the country who can match that level of investment.

There may be better chairmen out there but I think we could do a lot lot lot worse.

[Damo70]

Of course it's not the lowest point, but it feels pretty bloody disappointing all the same I have to say.  The sooner Lerner sells up and fucks off, the better.

Presumably to one of the string of billionaires sitting there waiting to buy a football club. Then they can put in a fortune. Then as soon as something goes wrong you can say "He's shit. He's useless. He should sell up." And the cycle can start again.

That's the sort of shit argument always put about. "Why would would anybody else want to buy/manage Villa?".  It wouldn't take much to be owned by somebody with more of a clue than Lerner, that'd be a start.

It's not a 'shit argument' at all. It's a bit childish of you to call something you disagree with a 'shit argument'.

Randy has invested circa 270m into the club (£65m purchase, £90m loan notes, £115m equity). There aren't many chairmen in the country who can match that level of investment.

There may be better chairmen out there but I think we could do a lot lot lot worse.

Isn't that part of the problem? For a while we thought we had the best going and put him on a pedestal?

[Rigadon]

Losing to Moscow Spartak in 1983.  I was 8 and it was the first time I'd seen us lose a game. 

What we're seeing currently is  a protracted anti-climax.  We challenged, failed to get into the top 4 and now haven't go the money to compete for that particular prize.    Until the game changes/Lerner sells up to multi-billionaire/we hit the jackpot with several youngsters coming through at once and they gel and we reap the rewards before the top 3 buy them (breathe) it isn't changing.  17 other clubs in the premier league are in the same boat.  That's the reality and it stinks. 

[dave.woodhall]

Of course it's not the lowest point, but it feels pretty bloody disappointing all the same I have to say.  The sooner Lerner sells up and fucks off, the better.

Presumably to one of the string of billionaires sitting there waiting to buy a football club. Then they can put in a fortune. Then as soon as something goes wrong you can say "He's shit. He's useless. He should sell up." And the cycle can start again.

That's the sort of shit argument always put about. "Why would would anybody else want to buy/manage Villa?".  It wouldn't take much to be owned by somebody with more of a clue than Lerner, that'd be a start.

Which of course isn't a 'shit argument.'

[Deano's Mullet]

I dont think i've ever felt as low or as angry as i did after last season's FA Cup match at City. We've always had stinkers before but to actually not even bother with trying to win the cup - and lets face it, 90% of sides seem to do it these days - makes the whole point of football a complete waste of time no, just witness Assou-Ekoito's talk of finishing fourth over winning the Europa Cup. What would you rather do, finish fourth every year or win 4-5 trophies at the end of your career. My enthusiasm for football in general hasnt really recovered since that City game.

[kippaxvilla2]

Also , has everyone forgotten 030303 not to mention the first game at the Sty.  Fuck me I was in the home end at the Sty and I can tell you I felt a lot worse than I did last night - maybe that's the problem, I actually cared then.

[richardhubbard]

Relegation in 1968? to Division 3, McNeil collapse of 1987? Championship side being broken up at its peak.

Surely all these are far worse?

[Rigadon]

I dont think i've ever felt as low or as angry as i did after last season's FA Cup match at City. We've always had stinkers before but to actually not even bother with trying to win the cup - and lets face it, 90% of sides seem to do it these days - makes the whole point of football a complete waste of time no, just witness Assou-Ekoito's talk of finishing fourth over winning the Europa Cup. What would you rather do, finish fourth every year or win 4-5 trophies at the end of your career. My enthusiasm for football in general hasnt really recovered since that City game.

Interesting isn't it....  Agree with posters debating whether they care as much - I certainly struggle to - and I think it's because the odds are so stacked against all but the few.  Sky can talk up shock results and giant killing blah blah, but it's bollocks. 

The first couple of games when Blues (falsely) re-invented themselves as the biggest-team-in-the-region for the umpteenth time were quite depressing.  As usual they were 'bridging the gap' but it actually felt a bit too close for comfort for a little while.  Then, bright new era and we;re challenging again - the wheel seems to have turned for us as it always does and we're back to also rans (in truth that's all we were but it felt different somehow).  Anyway, that's how I see it.

[garyshawsknee]

I can honestly say that I wouldnt want a middle eastern billionaire to come in. Randy provided enough funds to his first manager at the club,and he blew the majority of it,we had our chance and unfortunately its long gone.

My major beef with Randy is the appointment in the summer, and the major shift in the appointment,going from someone who knows European football very well,trying to addopt a more passing style of football,then even trying to get Martinez,who tries to get his teams to play better football,and maybe could buy unknowns from abroad,then McCleish who is pretty much a meat and two veg manager. Only being able to turn to Faulkner for advice shows an alarming amount of mis management at the very top.

   We all knew that MCCleish was a manager of limited ability,and he hasn't got as much to work with compared to the previous two managers,but we have enough in the squad to be playing better than we are at the minute.

This isnt the lowest point in my lifetime,mid 80s,O'Leary years,but in the space of 18 months things have gone bad at an alarming pace.

[villa for life]

I don't get this "lowest point" thread.
We sold two of our best players over the summer, yet despite this, AM has managed to keep things together and we sit higher in the league than at almost any point last season.Ok, so we've gone out of the mickey mouse cup....
For me, you could pick almost any weekend of last season and describe it as a lower point than now. If we lose the next four games in a row, then things might be different, but right now, as things stand, I think AM has done rather well!

[kippaxvilla2]

I don't get this "lowest point" thread.
We sold two of our best players over the summer, yet despite this, AM has managed to keep things together and we sit higher in the league than at almost any point last season.Ok, so we've gone out of the mickey mouse cup....
For me, you could pick almost any weekend of last season and describe it as a lower point than now. If we lose the next four games in a row, then things might be different, but right now, as things stand, I think AM has done rather well!

Except in our now vastly reduced expectation existence, the cup we have exited was the only one we had a chance of winning realistically and therefore is not a Mickey Mouse Cup to us anymore, hence the wholesale pissedoffedness a the evolving catastrophe.

[villa for life]

Dunno about the "wholesale pissedoffedness at the evolving catastrophe" statement. For me, it's precisely the reason that things are still "evolving" that I'm not pissed off.