Aston Villa v Bolton Wanderers Post-Match Thread

[Villanation]

I don't follow you Greg? You are not blaming MON, but you brought him up. However its his fault that the team is shit, but you don't blame him? One could say that you are talking bollocks

Glasses, spot on, MON is now history, we have had 2 other mangers since MON, we may not have always played the best football under MON but we definitely had success and at the end of the day that's what its all about.

[Legion]

Shocking. Abysmal. Embarrassing. Inept.

[tarzansbrother]

Shocking. Abysmal. Embarrassing. Inept.

Enough about Stephen Ireland, what about Villa?

[taylorsworkrate]

Not seen the performance tonight, but judging by the reaction on here, and the reports from radio / ssn, it wasn't especially champagne football like?

Our board have appointed a manager despite his very average record at best, a reputation for relegation, crap, negative football and a groundswell of opinion against him.  The board didn't listen to the fans at the time, and instead fed us a load of crap about Mcleish sharing the same vision for the club.

Our board have got rid of a lot of our good players without replacing them anywhere near sufficiently.  Instead they come out with crap like "Selling Young and Downing will be good for the club".  We are now left with a miniscule squad, no adequate defensive minded midfielder and almost no creativity in the side. 

The unbeaten start in the league is highly misleading.  We have played some poor to average teams and our performances have been mostly dreadful.  The one thing we got right in the summer (Given) has saved us from defeat in probably at least 3 of the 5 games. 

The only hope for the club at the moment is the Youngsters turning out to be a lot better than the already promising reputations they have.

It is as many have said, highly depressing.

[Greg N'Ash]

give AM 80m to spend and the same in wages i'm sure he'll get a few decent players. Hell give Barry Fry that and the law of averages he'd sign one or two good ones out of the 100 plus. Bottom line is AM's budget has been minus 15m and probably the same in wages. MON couldn't have signed Young, milner or anyone else in those circumstances

Greg:

80ML, That maybe the case, it may be a disaster and AM may simply not be able to attract or convince the right players to come, do you seriously believe that only us and noses know about the kind of negative football that AM is known to produce and that we are now experiencing first hand.

One thing that is a fact MON  spent 80ML and we had some good times.......yes, that's is what its all about as a fan, don't you remember that night on the eve of the League Cup final as we all waited with great excitement to meet Manchester Utd, don't know about you mate but I want to see Gabby and lads there again, I want to see us in europe again, I want to see Alex Ferguson face again after we take 3 pts of him and watch Wenger crying into his beer. Can't see that anytime soon.

You can't compare the financial circumstances AM is working under to MON's time. DOL wanted to sign Milner and couldn't. bottom line is AM couldn't have signed a Young, Milner or Downing even if he wanted to. He probably could even afford a Harewood

[Villanation]

Can I congratulate everybody who went tonight for their loyalty.  Me and my son were two ST holderrs who did not go tonight, £15 x 2 for tickets and £20 for petrol just too much Randy.  I am afraid to say that the performance tonight every bit justfies my decision.  For the club to ask ST holders for £15 to sit in their regular seats for tonights game is appaling.  It is quite clear looking at tonights gate figures across the country (Wolves got just 7000!!) that this competition just does not excite fans anymore.  The club should not have charged more than £8 for any seat in the ground tonight and it should have been kids for a quid.  Please wake up and smell the coffee Mr Faulkener.

As for the future under AM, lets get behind the team over the coming league games and see where we are come the end of the year when the window re-opens.  The manager cant change the squad til then so no point changing the manager til then.

IMO, This is a fair point, QPR next whatever we think of the manager the lads merit our support, there is nothing the manager can do until Jan, if he's still in place then only time will tell as to what he actually does do.

So rant over...............

QPR next guys, lets give em a right good seein to 

[mrfuse]

 there is nothing the manager can do until Jan, if he's still in place then only time will tell as to what he actually dose do.



He can stop bloody playing negative football for a start id rather we lost having a go than they the way we played football saturday and tonight!

[Clampy]

I must be honest, when leaving the ground tonight, MON was the furthest thought from my mind, but there you go.

[DeKuip]

I don't follow you Greg? You are not blaming MON, but you brought him up. However its his fault that the team is shit, but you don't blame him? One could say that you are talking bollocks

Glasses, spot on, MON is now history, we have had 2 other mangers since MON, we may not have always played the best football under MON but we definitely had success and at the end of the day that's what its all about.

We didn't have success under MON.
Not since Brian Little have we had success. That's a long time ago.

[Villanation]

give AM 80m to spend and the same in wages i'm sure he'll get a few decent players. Hell give Barry Fry that and the law of averages he'd sign one or two good ones out of the 100 plus. Bottom line is AM's budget has been minus 15m and probably the same in wages. MON couldn't have signed Young, milner or anyone else in those circumstances

Greg:

80ML, That maybe the case, it may be a disaster and AM may simply not be able to attract or convince the right players to come, do you seriously believe that only us and noses know about the kind of negative football that AM is known to produce and that we are now experiencing first hand.

One thing that is a fact MON  spent 80ML and we had some good times.......yes, that's is what its all about as a fan, don't you remember that night on the eve of the League Cup final as we all waited with great excitement to meet Manchester Utd, don't know about you mate but I want to see Gabby and lads there again, I want to see us in europe again, I want to see Alex Ferguson face again after we take 3 pts of him and watch Wenger crying into his beer. Can't see that anytime soon.

You can't compare the financial circumstances AM is working under to MON's time. DOL wanted to sign Milner and couldn't. bottom line is AM couldn't have signed a Young, Milner or Downing even if he wanted to. He probably could even afford a Harewood

Greg: I'm not comparing, what I'm saying is what AM would do with 80ML is hypothetical, we do know what MON did with it and on the whole I thought it was a pretty good 4 season's didn't you.

[Villanation]

I don't follow you Greg? You are not blaming MON, but you brought him up. However its his fault that the team is shit, but you don't blame him? One could say that you are talking bollocks

Glasses, spot on, MON is now history, we have had 2 other mangers since MON, we may not have always played the best football under MON but we definitely had success and at the end of the day that's what its all about.

We didn't have success under MON.
Not since Brian Little have we had success. That's a long time ago.

Relative to what we are producing now and last season i think you could measure it as success.

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't follow you Greg? You are not blaming MON, but you brought him up. However its his fault that the team is shit, but you don't blame him? One could say that you are talking bollocks

Glasses, spot on, MON is now history, we have had 2 other mangers since MON, we may not have always played the best football under MON but we definitely had success and at the end of the day that's what its all about.

We didn't have success under MON.
Not since Brian Little have we had success. That's a long time ago.

Relative to what we are producing now and last season i think you could measure it as success.

Playing devil's advocate, the highest we ever finished under MON was 6th. We're currently, errr, 6th.

Although to be honest, I fail to see the relevance of O'Neill at all to this evening.

[atomicjam]

Just home. Thanks to WM Travel before the game for taking the crowded number 7 I was on down a road that was blocked by Maintenance work. And to the Aston station staff for making me and 100s more stand in the rain outside the station for 20 minutes for no reason after the game. And thanks to Randy for the bit in the middle. Because of his track record I would never have gone for AM and I have no idea why Randy did. I wanted him to be a success, but after another game of seeing the team so piss poor against another piss poor, but better Managed side, I cannot see anything but a depressing and long season.

I think we will stay up, but it is going to be painful. there is so little passion left at Villa Park already this seasson that I shudder to think of the atmosphere and attendances later in the season. Randy has undone so much good work by employing the wrong manager and reducing the wage bill in one savage go.

[pauliewalnuts]

That's the worst thing, atomicjam, all that good work undone by a policy over the last few months which, if you didn't know better, you'd think was designed to damage the club as much as possible, as quickly as possible

[Villanation]

I don't follow you Greg? You are not blaming MON, but you brought him up. However its his fault that the team is shit, but you don't blame him? One could say that you are talking bollocks

Glasses, spot on, MON is now history, we have had 2 other mangers since MON, we may not have always played the best football under MON but we definitely had success and at the end of the day that's what its all about.

We didn't have success under MON.
Not since Brian Little have we had success. That's a long time ago.

Relative to what we are producing now and last season i think you could measure it as success.

Playing devil's advocate, the highest we ever finished under MON was 6th. We're currently, errr, 6th.

Although to be honest, I fail to see the relevance of O'Neill at all to this evening.

I do, furthest thing from my mind was to look at tonight,s game and think This is your fault MON, believe me.

Just about the placing point,, well, we finished 6th x3, where we are now not relavent,............hell of a long way to go, however bump this forward if you want, because what i will say is we definitely won't finish 6th, you can correct me on that if and when the time comes and we finish 6th, or not.