Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 09, 2011, 01:18:41 PMQuote from: Vanilla on September 09, 2011, 01:07:23 PMI think Sky, even the Premier League, perhaps even UEFA and FIFA wouldn't mind if all football was watched on TV, with empty stadiums. That's where the big chunk of money is. It would be the same if film producers found that DVDs and the internet make the most money, so stop releasing films at the cinema. No, they hate empty grounds - how can they hype a game up when it's being played in front of banks of empty seats? They used to (and maybe still do) call Wigan v Fulham-type Monday night fixtures 'Black Mondays'. You can imagine the future where the TV companies pay special effects companies to super impose a crowd onto the back ground in order to make the stadium seem fuller
Quote from: Vanilla on September 09, 2011, 01:07:23 PMI think Sky, even the Premier League, perhaps even UEFA and FIFA wouldn't mind if all football was watched on TV, with empty stadiums. That's where the big chunk of money is. It would be the same if film producers found that DVDs and the internet make the most money, so stop releasing films at the cinema. No, they hate empty grounds - how can they hype a game up when it's being played in front of banks of empty seats? They used to (and maybe still do) call Wigan v Fulham-type Monday night fixtures 'Black Mondays'.
I think Sky, even the Premier League, perhaps even UEFA and FIFA wouldn't mind if all football was watched on TV, with empty stadiums. That's where the big chunk of money is. It would be the same if film producers found that DVDs and the internet make the most money, so stop releasing films at the cinema.
Whilst realistic football is NOT about realism. We all have our real life. That is the family and work and a realistic way with all to deal with that. What we want and I want from my Club is some relief some joy and some escapism from that reality.So I don't want to be told that at sporting level we can not compete. Yes there is a difference at the moment between us and CL clubs and those artificially sustained by obscene money but we MUST hang in there and keep competing at the game of football. That was the vision of those men who stood under the lamp post all those years ago and we MUST stay faithful.Let's grow organically and smack those bastards with money in the face whenever we can and keep moving and keep improving. Remember footballers are not made by money they are born with the talent and we have to keep finding them and I know this one is a bit difficult keep them.We are Aston Villa and we will always be a Super Club no matter what.
It happens in other sports. I was at the Villa Leisure Centre for a fight a couple of years ago and two sides were empty, with a few rows of seats on a third and the fourth filled, presumably for cutaway shots of the "packed arena" when the fighters entered the ring.
How we are going to find Arab Randy Lerner with More money than Roman and Man City owner put together. We might well well ask for Cahill, Barry, Milner, Young X 2, Croch and Downing to come back home.
Whilst realistic football is NOT about realism. We all have our real life. That is the family and work and a realistic way with all to deal with that. What we want and I want from my Club is some relief some joy and some escapism from that reality.So I don't want to be told that at sporting level we can not compete. Yes there is a difference at the moment between us and CL clubs and those artificially sustained by obscene money but we MUST hang in there and keep competing at the game of football. That was the vision of those men who stood under the lamp post all those years ago and we MUST stay faithful.Let's grow organically and smack those bastards with money in the face whenever we can and keep moving and keep improving. Remember footballers are not made by money they are born with the talent and we have to keep finding them and I know this one is a bit difficult keep them.We are Aston Villa and we will always be a Super Club no matter what./quote]Absolutely right. Mcleish is sounding dangerously like O'Leary and that kind of defeatist crap won't get me parting with my hard earned too often.
With the hope around our club all but extinct, many of us can accept that we have no chance of winning the big prizes in football ever again (or until we're bought out by billionaires). Enjoyment is unlikely to come in the shape of trophies and titles, but it can be found in the way we as fans decide to support our club. We need to make it fun again, special, and not a chore. There are a few clubs out there, which have absolutely no chance of winning anything, but still manage to feel special and celebrate it in style. St Pauli spring to mind. They're different, they feel it and they make a big deal out of it. But they know they're shit and always will be shit. With us, we know we're no longer a big club, but that doesn't mean we as fans can't build the cult of Aston Villa. Our future glories are more likely to come off the pitch rather than on it, and as sad as that sounds at least it would be glory of sorts.
Quote from: John M'Zog on September 09, 2011, 11:26:12 AMQuote from: Billy Walker on September 09, 2011, 11:19:54 AMI feel inclined to agree with this. I think, given the climate of football at the moment and the fact that we are not in a position to financially compete with certain clubs, I would rather we had appointed a real Villa man to lead us through these unchartered territories. My big worry about McLeish is that he is indoctrinated into this present day system of football, a paid up Fergie disciple who buys into the Sky TV perception of how football works. He's part and parcel of the "industry", if you will. One of the things I look for in a Villa manager is pride in our club and a bullishness. I don't think McLeish has the nous to think outside the box and lift the club, to take the way the "industry" currently is and to say to hell with it, I can still beat the lot of them. Calling other clubs "superclubs" isn't the best way to motivate Aston Villa players or supporters, in my view. It's one thing being realistic and saying other clubs have more resources than us at the moment, but calling them superclubs immediately gives them the upper hand over us when we get to play them. Placing other clubs on a pedestal and making us sound inferior is just downright poor leadership in my view. There's a fine line between calling other clubs superclubs and running on the pitch with an Arsenal shirt for Thierry Henry to sign.And which 'real Villa man' would you have picked?I cna agree that the use of the term 'super club' may be a poor choice of words, but it you think back to the League Cup final against Arsenal he certainly didn't set his team out to be in awe of them. Yep, you make a very fair point. My dream would have been Sid taking the step up with perhaps a more experienced battler working alongside him. The point I'm trying to make is that we need a man who can rally the troops and lift/unite the club. I like McLeish and I think he has some very good qualities as a manager. I just think, as others have said, that he has chosen the wrong words on this occasion. It's a worry in the back of my mind that he just might not be bullish enough about our club and far too ready to back down to Fergie and such like. I'm certainly backing him but when I read the superclub quotes I couldn't help but inwardly groan.
Quote from: Billy Walker on September 09, 2011, 11:19:54 AMI feel inclined to agree with this. I think, given the climate of football at the moment and the fact that we are not in a position to financially compete with certain clubs, I would rather we had appointed a real Villa man to lead us through these unchartered territories. My big worry about McLeish is that he is indoctrinated into this present day system of football, a paid up Fergie disciple who buys into the Sky TV perception of how football works. He's part and parcel of the "industry", if you will. One of the things I look for in a Villa manager is pride in our club and a bullishness. I don't think McLeish has the nous to think outside the box and lift the club, to take the way the "industry" currently is and to say to hell with it, I can still beat the lot of them. Calling other clubs "superclubs" isn't the best way to motivate Aston Villa players or supporters, in my view. It's one thing being realistic and saying other clubs have more resources than us at the moment, but calling them superclubs immediately gives them the upper hand over us when we get to play them. Placing other clubs on a pedestal and making us sound inferior is just downright poor leadership in my view. There's a fine line between calling other clubs superclubs and running on the pitch with an Arsenal shirt for Thierry Henry to sign.And which 'real Villa man' would you have picked?I cna agree that the use of the term 'super club' may be a poor choice of words, but it you think back to the League Cup final against Arsenal he certainly didn't set his team out to be in awe of them.
I feel inclined to agree with this. I think, given the climate of football at the moment and the fact that we are not in a position to financially compete with certain clubs, I would rather we had appointed a real Villa man to lead us through these unchartered territories. My big worry about McLeish is that he is indoctrinated into this present day system of football, a paid up Fergie disciple who buys into the Sky TV perception of how football works. He's part and parcel of the "industry", if you will. One of the things I look for in a Villa manager is pride in our club and a bullishness. I don't think McLeish has the nous to think outside the box and lift the club, to take the way the "industry" currently is and to say to hell with it, I can still beat the lot of them. Calling other clubs "superclubs" isn't the best way to motivate Aston Villa players or supporters, in my view. It's one thing being realistic and saying other clubs have more resources than us at the moment, but calling them superclubs immediately gives them the upper hand over us when we get to play them. Placing other clubs on a pedestal and making us sound inferior is just downright poor leadership in my view. There's a fine line between calling other clubs superclubs and running on the pitch with an Arsenal shirt for Thierry Henry to sign.
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