woeful attendance

[JJ-AV]

True, but it does seem that all clubs in our position are having similar issues. Spurs, Everton, Stoke and Newcastle are all more functional than attractive.

Man Utd, Arsenal, Man City (based on this season anyway) and then Swansea and Wigan are probably the only clubs promoting the sort of football we all want to see.

I do think it can be exciting without that though. Stoke are a good side to watch when they're at home, and we had a great year of entertainment 2007/08.

[dave.woodhall]

I don't think we would. Not consistently anyway. Once the euphoria of 'cheap' (relatively) tickets died down we'd soon see a drop off in attendances against Blackburn and Bolton et al.

To take us past the 43k+ mark we'd need some success, IMO, but for the medium term we just need to believe again. We need to be galvanised. Randy and MON did it, Bent did it (although it was quickly undone).

At the moment not too much damage has been done, our attendance this season will probably average out at low-mid 30's, which can be improved upon. The worry is another Summer or two of what we've just had and that average will go down even further.

McLeish has had a solid start and has a decent base to build from. The defence is looking better, now is the time to try and win games (especially at home), while we have a bit of a cushion.

It's not just about winning games though, it's about the style of play. If he's winning games 1-0 the crowds won't improve, not many people are going to fork out 40 odd quid if they know they won't be entertained. Take the Wolves game for instance, before the game even kicked off most of us knew it would be dire stuff and you're not going to part with your money if you know that. Even if we'd nicked that game 1-0 it wouldn't have got any of the stay away fans back because it was rubbish. MON was the same, we finished 6th three years on the trot but we still didn't sell out regularly because the football on display was crap and wasn't entertaining. I've always said i'd rather we finished 8th and play good football than 6th playing how we did under MON and now McLeish.

If we win every game 1-0 and we're top of the league in April we'll have capacity crowds and are you honestly saying you won't be there on the day we lift the Premier League trophy?

[Blackcountry Villa]

I don't think we would. Not consistently anyway. Once the euphoria of 'cheap' (relatively) tickets died down we'd soon see a drop off in attendances against Blackburn and Bolton et al.

To take us past the 43k+ mark we'd need some success, IMO, but for the medium term we just need to believe again. We need to be galvanised. Randy and MON did it, Bent did it (although it was quickly undone).

At the moment not too much damage has been done, our attendance this season will probably average out at low-mid 30's, which can be improved upon. The worry is another Summer or two of what we've just had and that average will go down even further.

McLeish has had a solid start and has a decent base to build from. The defence is looking better, now is the time to try and win games (especially at home), while we have a bit of a cushion.

It's not just about winning games though, it's about the style of play. If he's winning games 1-0 the crowds won't improve, not many people are going to fork out 40 odd quid if they know they won't be entertained. Take the Wolves game for instance, before the game even kicked off most of us knew it would be dire stuff and you're not going to part with your money if you know that. Even if we'd nicked that game 1-0 it wouldn't have got any of the stay away fans back because it was rubbish. MON was the same, we finished 6th three years on the trot but we still didn't sell out regularly because the football on display was crap and wasn't entertaining. I've always said i'd rather we finished 8th and play good football than 6th playing how we did under MON and now McLeish.

If we win every game 1-0 and we're top of the league in April we'll have capacity crowds and are you honestly saying you won't be there on the day we lift the Premier League trophy?

Thats not going to happen though is it? You know what i meant. Like i said if we'd won that Wolves game 1-0 it wouldn't have encouraged any of the stay-aways to go back because the game itself was dire and the football we played was garbage. I won't go back all season whatever happens, i'm not going to give Lerner another penny and i certainly won't be paying 40 odd quid to watch the shite McLeish plays.

[dave.woodhall]

I don't think we would. Not consistently anyway. Once the euphoria of 'cheap' (relatively) tickets died down we'd soon see a drop off in attendances against Blackburn and Bolton et al.

To take us past the 43k+ mark we'd need some success, IMO, but for the medium term we just need to believe again. We need to be galvanised. Randy and MON did it, Bent did it (although it was quickly undone).

At the moment not too much damage has been done, our attendance this season will probably average out at low-mid 30's, which can be improved upon. The worry is another Summer or two of what we've just had and that average will go down even further.

McLeish has had a solid start and has a decent base to build from. The defence is looking better, now is the time to try and win games (especially at home), while we have a bit of a cushion.

It's not just about winning games though, it's about the style of play. If he's winning games 1-0 the crowds won't improve, not many people are going to fork out 40 odd quid if they know they won't be entertained. Take the Wolves game for instance, before the game even kicked off most of us knew it would be dire stuff and you're not going to part with your money if you know that. Even if we'd nicked that game 1-0 it wouldn't have got any of the stay away fans back because it was rubbish. MON was the same, we finished 6th three years on the trot but we still didn't sell out regularly because the football on display was crap and wasn't entertaining. I've always said i'd rather we finished 8th and play good football than 6th playing how we did under MON and now McLeish.

If we win every game 1-0 and we're top of the league in April we'll have capacity crowds and are you honestly saying you won't be there on the day we lift the Premier League trophy?

Thats not going to happen though is it? You know what i meant. Like i said if we'd won that Wolves game 1-0 it wouldn't have encouraged any of the stay-aways to go back because the game itself was dire and the football we played was garbage. I won't go back all season whatever happens, i'm not going to give Lerner another penny and i certainly won't be paying 40 odd quid to watch the shite McLeish plays.

I know exactly what you meant.

[pig]

Doesn't matter who owns the villa or who is the manager, maybe we are just very fickle fans.

[john e]

It's funny that fans across the country are expected to fork out on average £40 or more most weeks,90% of which will be ultimately disappointed with there teams success,
while managers, players, agents, wags, media all gorge in the never ending and seemingly bottomless football trough,

Yet it's always the fans who are the fickle ones ?

[Dave Cooper please]

It's not just about winning games though, it's about the style of play. If he's winning games 1-0 the crowds won't improve, not many people are going to fork out 40 odd quid if they know they won't be entertained. Take the Wolves game for instance, before the game even kicked off most of us knew it would be dire stuff and you're not going to part with your money if you know that. Even if we'd nicked that game 1-0 it wouldn't have got any of the stay away fans back because it was rubbish. MON was the same, we finished 6th three years on the trot but we still didn't sell out regularly because the football on display was crap and wasn't entertaining. I've always said i'd rather we finished 8th and play good football than 6th playing how we did under MON and now McLeish.

But you stuck it out under MON didn't you? You are just another whinging tart who didn't get what he wanted and is stropping off in a huff.
I can sympathise with fans who have been priced out, I can sympathise with fans who have found other priorities, what I can't abide is boring, whining numpties who have given up on their club because the owner didn't employ the manager they wanted or splash a load of cash he hasn't really got trying to achieve the impossible by keeping up with the likes of Citeh and Man Utd.

[Villanation]

This coming clash will turn things around a little, I reckon a good crowd for the Newcastle game.

[john e]

It's not just about winning games though, it's about the style of play. If he's winning games 1-0 the crowds won't improve, not many people are going to fork out 40 odd quid if they know they won't be entertained. Take the Wolves game for instance, before the game even kicked off most of us knew it would be dire stuff and you're not going to part with your money if you know that. Even if we'd nicked that game 1-0 it wouldn't have got any of the stay away fans back because it was rubbish. MON was the same, we finished 6th three years on the trot but we still didn't sell out regularly because the football on display was crap and wasn't entertaining. I've always said i'd rather we finished 8th and play good football than 6th playing how we did under MON and now McLeish.

But you stuck it out under MON didn't you? You are just another whinging tart who didn't get what he wanted and is stropping off in a huff.
I can sympathise with fans who have been priced out, I can sympathise with fans who have found other priorities, what I can't abide is boring, whining numpties who have given up on their club because the owner didn't employ the manager they wanted or splash a load of cash he hasn't really got trying to achieve the impossible by keeping up with the likes of Citeh and Man Utd.

It's not just about winning games though, it's about the style of play. If he's winning games 1-0 the crowds won't improve, not many people are going to fork out 40 odd quid if they know they won't be entertained. Take the Wolves game for instance, before the game even kicked off most of us knew it would be dire stuff and you're not going to part with your money if you know that. Even if we'd nicked that game 1-0 it wouldn't have got any of the stay away fans back because it was rubbish. MON was the same, we finished 6th three years on the trot but we still didn't sell out regularly because the football on display was crap and wasn't entertaining. I've always said i'd rather we finished 8th and play good football than 6th playing how we did under MON and now McLeish.

But you stuck it out under MON didn't you? You are just another whinging tart who didn't get what he wanted and is stropping off in a huff.
I can sympathise with fans who have been priced out, I can sympathise with fans who have found other priorities, what I can't abide is boring, whining numpties who have given up on their club because the owner didn't employ the manager they wanted or splash a load of cash he hasn't really got trying to achieve the impossible by keeping up with the likes of Citeh and Man Utd.

if you dont like the new managers style of play i can see why people will stop going,
 if you dont like chinese food you dont go to a chinese restaraunt.

personaly, appart from the first half against Everton, its not been as bad as i expected,
 certainly no different quality wise as the last few years,
 but there is always the nagging feeling in the back of my mind that when push comes to shove, AM as much as i like him as a man will always revert to type, and that type i'm afraid is boring negative football, i know its become a cliche now, but its a cliche which unfortunatly is built on truth

[pauliewalnuts]

I think people are entitled to stop going if they dont like the manager's football, that's their own shout, and I imagine there will be more than  a few of them.

What does get on my tits is the way it's bandied around like some kind of badge of honour... "I've stopped going" is the new "I'm not renewing:

[swiss1968]

The 3 games at home i've waited and paid £15,20,20.So why would you pay £43 to sit in the Witton? Villa are still pretty cheap i reckon.

[Irish villain]

This coming clash will turn things around a little, I reckon a good crowd for the Newcastle game.

I think so too. I expect at least 35k inside Villa Park for this.

[Lowendbehold]

It's not just about winning games though, it's about the style of play. If he's winning games 1-0 the crowds won't improve, not many people are going to fork out 40 odd quid if they know they won't be entertained. Take the Wolves game for instance, before the game even kicked off most of us knew it would be dire stuff and you're not going to part with your money if you know that. Even if we'd nicked that game 1-0 it wouldn't have got any of the stay away fans back because it was rubbish. MON was the same, we finished 6th three years on the trot but we still didn't sell out regularly because the football on display was crap and wasn't entertaining. I've always said i'd rather we finished 8th and play good football than 6th playing how we did under MON and now McLeish.

But you stuck it out under MON didn't you? You are just another whinging tart who didn't get what he wanted and is stropping off in a huff.
I can sympathise with fans who have been priced out, I can sympathise with fans who have found other priorities, what I can't abide is boring, whining numpties who have given up on their club because the owner didn't employ the manager they wanted or splash a load of cash he hasn't really got trying to achieve the impossible by keeping up with the likes of Citeh and Man Utd.

It's not just about winning games though, it's about the style of play. If he's winning games 1-0 the crowds won't improve, not many people are going to fork out 40 odd quid if they know they won't be entertained. Take the Wolves game for instance, before the game even kicked off most of us knew it would be dire stuff and you're not going to part with your money if you know that. Even if we'd nicked that game 1-0 it wouldn't have got any of the stay away fans back because it was rubbish. MON was the same, we finished 6th three years on the trot but we still didn't sell out regularly because the football on display was crap and wasn't entertaining. I've always said i'd rather we finished 8th and play good football than 6th playing how we did under MON and now McLeish.

But you stuck it out under MON didn't you? You are just another whinging tart who didn't get what he wanted and is stropping off in a huff.
I can sympathise with fans who have been priced out, I can sympathise with fans who have found other priorities, what I can't abide is boring, whining numpties who have given up on their club because the owner didn't employ the manager they wanted or splash a load of cash he hasn't really got trying to achieve the impossible by keeping up with the likes of Citeh and Man Utd.

if you dont like the new managers style of play i can see why people will stop going,
 if you dont like chinese food you dont go to a chinese restaraunt.

personaly, appart from the first half against Everton, its not been as bad as i expected,
 certainly no different quality wise as the last few years,
 but there is always the nagging feeling in the back of my mind that when push comes to shove, AM as much as i like him as a man will always revert to type, and that type i'm afraid is boring negative football, i know its become a cliche now, but its a cliche which unfortunatly is built on truth

Surely if you have a team of talented players who can pass the opposition giddy you play like Arsenal.  A team of fast running dribblers with tremendous ability on the ball, like Man U or City.  If you have just got promoted on the back of strong physical football, without great technical ability, you play like Stoke and Bolton did, but you evolve by buying better players if you stay up.

Are we not somewhere between the lot at he top and those with more physique but lesser ability?  Not necessarily the managers style, more what he has to work with.  Both Pulis and Allardice when at Bolton changed their teams styles as they established themselves.

So I think it's a bit unfair to label AM with the style he's deployed with teams of a lesser ability.

[kippaxvilla2]

The sooner this Premier League gets real and starts adopting the German League's pricing policy the better.

[pauliewalnuts]

The 3 games at home i've waited and paid £15,20,20.So why would you pay £43 to sit in the Witton? Villa are still pretty cheap i reckon.

Indeed, or looked at another way, why pay almost 600 quid for a season ticket?