Moyes was lucky with Rooney, as in inheriting him. Had Rooney been coming through the Villa system and MoN sold him for £28m or however much it was you'd be saying that.
Moyes is somewhat overrated. He has made transfer mistakes like anyone else, but not as frequently and costly as MON. The biggest reason that Everton has plateaued is lack of resources, but it's also because Moyes isn't the kind of genius he's sometimes portrayed as. Apart from little money to spend, he's enjoyed continuity and stability at Everton -- he has worked under quite benign circumstances compared to many PL managers.
Quote from: IFWaters on August 06, 2011, 06:34:18 PMGood last point but the manager is probably on 2-3m a year plus his staff on another 1 million. Even if Villa then employ another 100 people on an average of £30k a year (including Faulkener and the like) thats only 3m - so maybe 7-8m tops for all the non-playing staff wages.I think the previous point made that the figures quoted in the media may not include tax and NI could be right - but if it is that means say Darren Bent on £65k a week AFTER tax equates to him costing the club approx £150k a week after 50% income tax and employers and employees NI totalling approx a further 25%. If true that means he costs us £8m a year.When you earn Darren Bent-sized wages paying tax is optional.
Good last point but the manager is probably on 2-3m a year plus his staff on another 1 million. Even if Villa then employ another 100 people on an average of £30k a year (including Faulkener and the like) thats only 3m - so maybe 7-8m tops for all the non-playing staff wages.I think the previous point made that the figures quoted in the media may not include tax and NI could be right - but if it is that means say Darren Bent on £65k a week AFTER tax equates to him costing the club approx £150k a week after 50% income tax and employers and employees NI totalling approx a further 25%. If true that means he costs us £8m a year.
Blackburn Rovers are trying to sell a handful of players in a secret list that reveals the salaries of Steve Kean’s unwanted men.The Indian owners Venkys are looking to slash £125,000-a-week from the payroll in a purge of the dressing room they inherited when they took over.Mirror Sport has a copy of the sales brochure from Indian negotiator Krish Naidoo who has advised foreign agents and clubs to contact him.The no-holds-barred document lists the salaries of the Rovers men, their appearance bonuses, signing-on fees, increases they are due and percentages to former clubsIt is an attempt to hurry up exits to help bring in cash for new faces in a major turn-around after a slow summer of movement at Ewood Park.Keith Andrews is on £21,000-a-week and an extra £2,000 for every game. His wages also increase every time he plays five Premier League games – and an annual extra payment of £26,667.MK Dons, who sold the Republic of Ireland international, are also entitled to 10 per cent of any profit over his purchase price of £1million.Vince Grella is on a cool £30,000-a-week with a further £6,000 a game. Blackburn are asking for a £500,000 loan fee if he goes – and all of his salary paid.El Hadji Diouf – told he is unwanted by Kean – is also on £30,000 a week and a further £5,000 per game. West Ham would like to take him on loan but the demand is for his pay to be made in full to Rovers.Even Nikola Kalinic is on the list. He is about to join Dnipro and is on the flat rate of £30,000 a week.
Saw this article yesterday.QuoteBlackburn Rovers are trying to sell a handful of players in a secret list that reveals the salaries of Steve Kean’s unwanted men.The Indian owners Venkys are looking to slash £125,000-a-week from the payroll in a purge of the dressing room they inherited when they took over.Mirror Sport has a copy of the sales brochure from Indian negotiator Krish Naidoo who has advised foreign agents and clubs to contact him.The no-holds-barred document lists the salaries of the Rovers men, their appearance bonuses, signing-on fees, increases they are due and percentages to former clubsIt is an attempt to hurry up exits to help bring in cash for new faces in a major turn-around after a slow summer of movement at Ewood Park.Keith Andrews is on £21,000-a-week and an extra £2,000 for every game. His wages also increase every time he plays five Premier League games – and an annual extra payment of £26,667.MK Dons, who sold the Republic of Ireland international, are also entitled to 10 per cent of any profit over his purchase price of £1million.Vince Grella is on a cool £30,000-a-week with a further £6,000 a game. Blackburn are asking for a £500,000 loan fee if he goes – and all of his salary paid.El Hadji Diouf – told he is unwanted by Kean – is also on £30,000 a week and a further £5,000 per game. West Ham would like to take him on loan but the demand is for his pay to be made in full to Rovers.Even Nikola Kalinic is on the list. He is about to join Dnipro and is on the flat rate of £30,000 a week.Some mediocre players on good money there.http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Blackburn-Rovers-reveal-salaries-of-El-Hadji-Diouf-Vince-Grella-and-Keith-Andrews-in-secret-list-to-hurry-exits-article782861.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
Over the past few years every club has paid over the odds for mediocrity. Why? Because other clubs were doing it, so in order to get or keep a Steve Sidwell, a Habib Beye or a Keith Andrews in Blackburn's case, clubs paid a little more than what others were willing to pay. Ridculous really, and what we are seeing now, outside of essentially Man City and seemingly Liverpool is a bit of a reset amongst PL teams. The window thus far overall has been awful. Sunderland made a lot of average signings early on, and Liverpool paid a lot of money for good, not great players. Outside of that, it's been almost non-existent. What I've found very interesting is that as a club, we've made comments relating to FFP more than others. Or at least it seems that way. Yet, my belief is every club is starting to address it in their own way. They all need to sell certain players, but many are finding it hard to move their own Habib Beye's and Emile Heskey's because of the inflated salaries these players are on. We're fortunate to have sold most of those types of player, and even luckier that those two players are in their final 12 months and very likely will be gone next summer. My guess is there are many other clubs who aren't so lucky, and their transfer spending has been hurt as a result.
Even adding 10% or so on costs to each salary though, I still can't equate the wages (maybe 60 million) to not allowing us to manoever a small amount, taking the hit of 3-5 million in wages this season in the knowledge that next summer Young, Beye, Heskey will all be out of contract in any case. 2 players, well scouted on 25k a week - say the dutch winger and a destructive midfield player - are not going to tip the wages over the bank. I agree with cutting the wage bill, I just think it would have been good to have someone other than George Osborne doing the cutting.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 07, 2011, 01:39:25 AMQuote from: IFWaters on August 06, 2011, 06:34:18 PMGood last point but the manager is probably on 2-3m a year plus his staff on another 1 million. Even if Villa then employ another 100 people on an average of £30k a year (including Faulkener and the like) thats only 3m - so maybe 7-8m tops for all the non-playing staff wages.I think the previous point made that the figures quoted in the media may not include tax and NI could be right - but if it is that means say Darren Bent on £65k a week AFTER tax equates to him costing the club approx £150k a week after 50% income tax and employers and employees NI totalling approx a further 25%. If true that means he costs us £8m a year.When you earn Darren Bent-sized wages paying tax is optional. It's not, apparently footballers are actually paid PAYE.It kind of seems wrong. A payslip like you or I would get, except with pretax pay of 250,000 on it. Mind boggling.Worth remember also the employers NI contributions the club makes on these salaries, 11 percent (Risso will tell me if I'm wrong). So a player on 50k a week isn't costing 50k a week, it's more like 55 and a bit.
It's not, apparently footballers are actually paid PAYE.It kind of seems wrong. A payslip like you or I would get, except with pretax pay of 250,000 on it. Mind boggling.
Quote from: pauliezognuts on August 08, 2011, 11:33:31 AMIt's not, apparently footballers are actually paid PAYE.It kind of seems wrong. A payslip like you or I would get, except with pretax pay of 250,000 on it. Mind boggling.Eh? Whatever a footballer earns, they'll pay tax and NI on it. There are clever ways of avoiding a certain amount of tax and NI, but they don't get paid PAYE. I'm not sure what you mean by that.
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