Aston Villa sign Charles N'Zogbia (Reply#1151)

[Dante Lavelli]

Dave whelan's quotes clearly state that £10m was the number that they were after but he also said something about wanting the money upfront.

I'd guess that we will pay the £10m but it will be paid over a period that we're (more) happy with.

[Greg N'Ash]

i reckon it will be undisclosed as well. Be interesting if for once the media show some bottle and ask him if he got his 10m.... My only angle is i think he's overpriced and thinking back 2 or so weeks, i recall us discussing his value on the transfer rumours thread and most seemed to think we'd get him for about 8m. I didn't :0)

[pauliewalnuts]

Just hope we're not gonna have whelan crowing about how he got 10m from us as i don't see how he could  back down after publicly stating how much he wanted. Which begs the question, what was the point of wasting all this time when you're gonna pay in the end?

That's an incredibly simplistic view of transfers, Greg. It isn't just about what the fee is. There are things like how it gets paid, over how long, how much agents get paid and who pays them, add on clauses, sell-on clauses etc etc.

If we pay 10m, that is the headline part, but nobody has a clue about the rest of the deal.

[Greg N'Ash]

Just hope we're not gonna have whelan crowing about how he got 10m from us as i don't see how he could  back down after publicly stating how much he wanted. Which begs the question, what was the point of wasting all this time when you're gonna pay in the end?

That's an incredibly simplistic view of transfers, Greg. It isn't just about what the fee is. There are things like how it gets paid, over how long, how much agents get paid and who pays them, add on clauses, sell-on clauses etc etc.

If we pay 10m, that is the headline part, but nobody has a clue about the rest of the deal.

mebbe. could be 9m plus 1m after 30 games for example. Allow both sides to save face.

[Dante Lavelli]

Personally, I think £10m is a bit of a bargain, especially when you consider what we got for downing.

I know that the popular party line is to be outraged that we are selling our best players, but in isolation I think selling downing for £20m and buying Nzogbia for £10m (or there abouts) is excellent business

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Good news. Sounds like we've verbally agreed and are now just waiting for the written confirmation.

[oldtimernow]

i reckon it will be undisclosed as well. Be interesting if for once the media show some bottle and ask him if he got his 10m.... My only angle is i think he's overpriced and thinking back 2 or so weeks, i recall us discussing his value on the transfer rumours thread and most seemed to think we'd get him for about 8m. I didn't :0)

He may be overpriced but he is a foreign player over here, so he knows what its like, and in comparison to Stuart Downing at half price, is a bargain.

Agree I dont like the thought of that Tory supporting Northern millionaire gloating over how he screwed us to the very last penny.

[Concrete John]

I think selling downing for £20m and buying Nzogbia for £10m (or there abouts) is excellent business

It is if that extra £10m is then spent on imroving the squad elsewhere.  Downing for N'Zogbia plus £10m in the bank won;t win any more games for us, but Downing for N'Zogbia plus Scott Parker would.

[JUAN PABLO]

I keep hearing that, but how often do our deals fall through at an advanced stage? I can't think of too many recently.

N'zogbia and Blose       ..   

[Mazrim]

Personally, I think £10m is a bit of a bargain, especially when you consider what we got for downing.

I know that the popular party line is to be outraged that we are selling our best players, but in isolation I think selling downing for £20m and buying Nzogbia for £10m (or there abouts) is excellent business

It is. I think N'Zogbia is the better player comfortably and in isolation the deal is outstanding business. But it would be even better business if we reinvested at least the other £10m from Downing in the squad.
Starting with a quality defensive midfielder and winger back up.

Rather than Downing, N'Zogbia replaces Young as well as we could hope for.
We can look forward to better set pieces too.
I'd imagine Zog and Albrighton taking corners, Zog taking direct free kicks and Bent taking penalties. And that sounds pretty good to me.

[JUAN PABLO]

anyway hes crossing fingers ..

Nzogbia for half the price of that ****    ..  bargain

[Risso]

I think N'Zogbia at his best is better than Downing at his best, but Downing over the course of a season is more consistent.  Replacing one with the other isn't going to make a huge difference either way, but let's not forget we're still a player of Ashley Young's quality down, so so far this summer we're still in negative equity quality wise.  There's still time to put that right of course.

[Concrete John]

Personally, I think £10m is a bit of a bargain, especially when you consider what we got for downing.

I know that the popular party line is to be outraged that we are selling our best players, but in isolation I think selling downing for £20m and buying Nzogbia for £10m (or there abouts) is excellent business

It is. I think N'Zogbia is the better player comfortably and in isolation the deal is outstanding business. But it would be even better business if we reinvested at least the other £10m from Downing in the squad.
Starting with a quality defensive midfielder and winger back up.

Rather than Downing, N'Zogbia replaces Young as well as we could hope for.
We can look forward to better set pieces too.
I'd imagine Zog and Albrighton taking corners, Zog taking direct free kicks and Bent taking penalties. And that sounds pretty good to me.

I think the intention is that N'Zog does replace Downing on the left and Ash's replacemnt in the centre will be Ireland, with Marc on the right.

It's a bit risky as it's a kid, a nutter and a new signing, but ability wise there's lots to look forward to and be excited about there!

[Risso]

I think the intention is that N'Zog does replace Downing on the left and Ash's replacemnt in the centre will be Ireland, with Marc on the right.

It's a bit risky as it's a kid, a nutter and a new signing, but ability wise there's lots to look forward to and be excited about there!

I hope we're not going 4-5-1 again this season, as I really want to see Gabby and Bent given an extended run in the same side.

[Concrete John]

As always, I think we should be prepared and willing to play both ways, but looking at our squad as it is, I think the 4-5-1/4-3-3/4-2-3-1 formation suits us better right now as it allows us to get 3 in the centre of midfield to make up for it being our weakness.