I've got a horrible feeling Sunderland are going to come in for him and glancing at the forums the fans think so too.Can they afford his £60,000 wage demands. ???
I reclon they could afford the fee, but would £60k a week break their wage structure?How much were they paying Dazza? I heard it was @ £35,000
If we get this one I may become N'Zogbia3bad.
If we get this one I may become N'Zogbia3bad.
Pauliebentzogs is waiting to happen.
Giventhebentzog
He seems to be quite entertaining.&feature=youtu.be
Given he can play either wing or centrally,
HeheheheGiven he can play either wing or centrally,
I'd be happier if he just stayed in goal unless we're playing rush keeper.
If we get him , he will be much better than the last french winger we had ..
If we get him , he will be much better than the last french winger we had ..
Didier Six?
If we get him , he will be much better than the last french winger we had ..
Didier Six?
Ginola?
Sits quietly, muttering, 'Please buy, please buy, please buy...' ad nauseum.
Curse my feeble real name and it's lack of player-related alternatives.
If we get him , he will be much better than the last french winger we had ..
Didier Six?
Ginola?
Berson?
If we get him , he will be much better than the last french winger we had ..
Didier Six?
Ginola?
Berson?
I suspect he means Agathe.
I don't know, I think Gerbent Regan'Zog has a ring to it! ;DSuccess!
Why was the bid made public - was it Whelan trying to draw in other bidders? Seemsme he's playing a waiting game to get the fee up. Would rather have ''Wigan accept Villa's £10M offer'' or reject the bid instead of just ''a bid'' being made public.This is how Whelan does business. Remember how he broadcast our interest in Martinez.
Has he been capped by France?
If we get him , he will be much better than the last french winger we had ..
Didier Six?
Ginola?
What? A frenchman's fantastic body?
Careful son.
Brilliant signing.
We might have lost alot of quality, but our last four permanent signings? N'Zogbia, Bent, Makoun, Ireland.
In terms of ability it's a massive step up to the stuff we were getting in the previous 4 years.
I think this is the best time to repeat. ITSITCPOBH.
i think it will drag on even if we do sign him.
We have a winner. A prize is coming your way. (A prize isn't coming your way).I think this is the best time to repeat. ITSITCPOBH.
Lets see...
In the shirt in the car park of Bodymoor Heath?
I think this is the best time to repeat. ITSITCPOBH.
Lets see...
In the shirt in the car park of Bodymoor Heath?
Stretching the shirt beside the gate at bodymoor heath?
it would be nice if by Sunday we've wrapped up Given and N'Zogbia.Presumably McGinge wants to get Given, N'Zog and Parker (and indeed any other new recruits) into the squad in time forthe Asia trip; i.e. by 25th July.
Gah! So close.....Stretching the shirt beside the gate at bodymoor heath?
nearly Ger. Beside the Goal
Gah! So close.....Stretching the shirt beside the gate at bodymoor heath?
nearly Ger. Beside the Goal
Has he signed yet?
Brilliant signing.
We might have lost alot of quality, but our last four permanent signings? N'Zogbia, Bent, Makoun, Ireland.
In terms of ability it's a massive step up to the stuff we were getting in the previous 4 years.
Ireland is the big question mark in the sky isn't he? If, and a massive, if at that he rediscovers his love of the game, and his willingness to be a part of our great club, we will just have signed a £10 million player without having to do anything.
One thing is absolutely for sure. If Dave Whelan wants 10m, Dave Whelan gets 10m. We've just pocketed 20m for Downing, and he knows it.
This place is going to be interesting if we dither and Sunderland or someone else nips in. I reckon this thread will go to 30 pages within 24 hours.
I think Sunderland are out due to his wage demands not in line with their wage structure.I Hope, anyway
This place is going to be interesting if we dither and Sunderland or someone else nips in. I reckon this thread will go to 30 pages within 24 hours.
SWP would be a dreadful signing.
All that running down blind alleys then falling over the ball. No thanks.
Some bloke from The Sun nhas just tweeted "the race for N'Zogbia now has one horse". It had better be us!
I agree Kev. I don't think the board has a problem spending money on proven players, or indeed for players that will ultimately contribute even if they don't start every game. It's the MON era of big money transfers and wages coupled with long contracts on players that sit on the bench most of the time that has done the club in.
I think the club still wants to compete, but we have to clear the decks a bit too. That the cups might be a better short term bet than the league this season. My belief is that AM has been told there's money to spend on the right players, but we have clear out some junk that's still weighing us down. If at the same time he can rehab certain players and bring through the kids while creating a better working environment for the entire club it will serve us better long term.
I agree Kev. I don't think the board has a problem spending money on proven players, or indeed for players that will ultimately contribute even if they don't start every game. It's the MON era of big money transfers and wages coupled with long contracts on players that sit on the bench most of the time that has done the club in.
I think the club still wants to compete, but we have to clear the decks a bit too. That the cups might be a better short term bet than the league this season. My belief is that AM has been told there's money to spend on the right players, but we have clear out some junk that's still weighing us down. If at the same time he can rehab certain players and bring through the kids while creating a better working environment for the entire club it will serve us better long term.
I think that's as close to reality as we'll see, VT.
I agree too with Mr Gage regarding Spurs but last season they had a first team squad of 40 players of which 39 played in the first team at some point, so I'm expecting their wage bill to rise purely based on the numbers.
I agree Kev. I don't think the board has a problem spending money on proven players, or indeed for players that will ultimately contribute even if they don't start every game. It's the MON era of big money transfers and wages coupled with long contracts on players that sit on the bench most of the time that has done the club in.
I think the club still wants to compete, but we have to clear the decks a bit too. That the cups might be a better short term bet than the league this season. My belief is that AM has been told there's money to spend on the right players, but we have clear out some junk that's still weighing us down. If at the same time he can rehab certain players and bring through the kids while creating a better working environment for the entire club it will serve us better long term.
I think that's as close to reality as we'll see, VT.
I agree too with Mr Gage regarding Spurs but last season they had a first team squad of 40 players of which 39 played in the first team at some point, so I'm expecting their wage bill to rise purely based on the numbers.
How dare you refer to me like that riff raff at VT. I'm suitably insulted Mr Kelly
Everyman in the world knows we have just pocketed the best part of £40m from the sale of two players so why on earth are we haggling over a £10m fee. We are worse than Del Boy at times.Maybe to get the best deal for the club? Just a thought.
I agree Kev. I don't think the board has a problem spending money on proven players, or indeed for players that will ultimately contribute even if they don't start every game. It's the MON era of big money transfers and wages coupled with long contracts on players that sit on the bench most of the time that has done the club in.
I think the club still wants to compete, but we have to clear the decks a bit too. That the cups might be a better short term bet than the league this season. My belief is that AM has been told there's money to spend on the right players, but we have clear out some junk that's still weighing us down. If at the same time he can rehab certain players and bring through the kids while creating a better working environment for the entire club it will serve us better long term.
I think that's as close to reality as we'll see, VT.
I agree too with Mr Gage regarding Spurs but last season they had a first team squad of 40 players of which 39 played in the first team at some point, so I'm expecting their wage bill to rise purely based on the numbers.
How dare you refer to me like that riff raff at VT. I'm suitably insulted Mr Kelly
You'll get over it, you happy clapper.
Everyman in the world knows we have just pocketed the best part of £40m from the sale of two players so why on earth are we haggling over a £10m fee. We are worse than Del Boy at times.Maybe to get the best deal for the club? Just a thought.
Everyman in the world knows we have just pocketed the best part of £40m from the sale of two players so why on earth are we haggling over a £10m fee. We are worse than Del Boy at times.Maybe to get the best deal for the club? Just a thought.
Wasn't it yesterday Whelan was quoting £20m? We have him my the short and curlies and after he did us over with Martinez, somebody should tell him, payback's a bitch.
Wigan know our cards and how much we have to play with.It will be about £11million IMO.
We'll have to part with at least £14m to get him I reckon.
SSN have just said that Everton have joined in the race for him too.Just like they said Arsenal had joined the race for Downing
SSN have just said that Everton have joined in the race for him too.
1655: FOOTBALL - Everton chief executive Robert Elstone has warned fans not to expect the club to make any major buys in the transfer window this summer. "The squeeze on money is harder than ever," he admits.
SSN have just said that Everton have joined in the race for him too.
SSN have just said that Everton have joined in the race for him too.
Take it with a pinch of salt!
From today:Quote1655: FOOTBALL - Everton chief executive Robert Elstone has warned fans not to expect the club to make any major buys in the transfer window this summer. "The squeeze on money is harder than ever," he admits.
SSN have just said that Everton have joined in the race for him too.
Take it with a pinch of salt!
Have Everton matched our offer ?
Just please get the buisness done and bring Charles in... we need him, it'd also be good for him to go to Hong Kong joining the team for the pre-season. Just get it done!
This one shows signs of going tits up. I think we've only started the bidding.
This one shows signs of going tits up. I think we've only started the bidding.
why? Don't panic. Hitting refresh on this bloody thing and expecting the deal to be confirmed only makes things worse. We've made an official bid. Wigan are within their rights to be considering it. We've got every chance of outbidding the other possible contenders, and much of the other links are rumours more than anything concrete. Our interest as it is with Parker and Given are more solid. Stay calm brother Clark.
It isn't the law to play with two wingers, you know.
Not having a go at you hut have seen a few posts on here recently that seem to suggest it is
This one shows signs of going tits up. I think we've only started the bidding.
why? Don't panic. Hitting refresh on this bloody thing and expecting the deal to be confirmed only makes things worse. We've made an official bid. Wigan are within their rights to be considering it. We've got every chance of outbidding the other possible contenders, and much of the other links are rumours more than anything concrete. Our interest as it is with Parker and Given are more solid. Stay calm brother Clark.
Given looks like a goer admittedly, Parker not sure, what have you heard?
N'Zogbia concerns me because there doesn't look like many similar alternatives, which means plenty of interest and if we miss out where do we turn?
Losing 2 wingers means we are in real need.
Shame we didn't get him in between Young and Downing.
Wigan want "not a penny less than £10m" SSN. Give it to them NOW. He is worth every penny ......
He should have been signed the very minute the spineless weasel departed.
It will be a major fuck up if this transfer doesn't materialise in the next week or so. Just do it and a few more quickly please.
Wigan want "not a penny less than £10m" SSN. Give it to them NOW. He is worth every penny ......
Call their bluff...offer £9,999,999.99. See how they react.
He should have been signed the very minute the spineless weasel departed.Make your mind up...the spineless weasels transfer was only completed tonight, so having made a bid before he actually left isnt exactly reason to criticise. If they fuck it up and we dont sign him then questions will need to be asked.
It will be a major fuck up if this transfer doesn't materialise in the next week or so. Just do it and a few more quickly please.
Sunderland buying Zoggy with the Bent money...what a sickener that would be.They've already spent it on the 9 players they've bought this summer.
This one shows signs of going tits up. I think we've only started the bidding.
why? Don't panic. Hitting refresh on this bloody thing and expecting the deal to be confirmed only makes things worse. We've made an official bid. Wigan are within their rights to be considering it. We've got every chance of outbidding the other possible contenders, and much of the other links are rumours more than anything concrete. Our interest as it is with Parker and Given are more solid. Stay calm brother Clark.
Given looks like a goer admittedly, Parker not sure, what have you heard?
N'Zogbia concerns me because there doesn't look like many similar alternatives, which means plenty of interest and if we miss out where do we turn?
Losing 2 wingers means we are in real need.
Shame we didn't get him in between Young and Downing.
At the moment we just have a 21 yr old winger who's form hasn't been great for a while and who's knock it and run style may have been a little found out.
At the moment we just have a 21 yr old winger who's form hasn't been great for a while and who's knock it and run style may have been a little found out.
That's being tremendously unfair, IMO. Albrighton is quality and delivered enough goals and assists last season to prove that.
Who does carry their form for 38 games without a dip?
We had a lot of criticism for MON for not playing the kids and now people are scared if we do. For me Albrighton is ready and good enough, so lets give him his head!
This deal is a long way off yet as I suspect his wage demands may be an issue, if he wants more than £40,000 a week we should tell him to "jog on"
This deal is a long way off yet as I suspect his wage demands may be an issue, if he wants more than £40,000 a week we should tell him to "jog on"
He's be one of our top players should he come in and if we're not prepared to pay our top players more then £40k a week we may aswell not bother.
Because he wouldn't be good enough to play for them.This deal is a long way off yet as I suspect his wage demands may be an issue, if he wants more than £40,000 a week we should tell him to "jog on"
He's be one of our top players should he come in and if we're not prepared to pay our top players more then £40k a week we may aswell not bother.
Im not convinced by him at all mate im afraid I he has an attitude problem and if he was that good why havnt Man Utd, Real, Barca been in for him.......Much better players out there IMO
This deal is a long way off yet as I suspect his wage demands may be an issue, if he wants more than £40,000 a week we should tell him to "jog on"
He's be one of our top players should he come in and if we're not prepared to pay our top players more then £40k a week we may aswell not bother.
Im not convinced by him at all mate im afraid I he has an attitude problem and if he was that good why havnt Man Utd, Real, Barca been in for him.......Much better players out there IMO
Because he wouldn't be good enough to play for them.This deal is a long way off yet as I suspect his wage demands may be an issue, if he wants more than £40,000 a week we should tell him to "jog on"
He's be one of our top players should he come in and if we're not prepared to pay our top players more then £40k a week we may aswell not bother.
Im not convinced by him at all mate im afraid I he has an attitude problem and if he was that good why havnt Man Utd, Real, Barca been in for him.......Much better players out there IMO
He's definitely good enough to play for us though.
This deal is a long way off yet as I suspect his wage demands may be an issue, if he wants more than £40,000 a week we should tell him to "jog on"
He's be one of our top players should he come in and if we're not prepared to pay our top players more then £40k a week we may aswell not bother.
Im not convinced by him at all mate im afraid I he has an attitude problem and if he was that good why havnt Man Utd, Real, Barca been in for him.......Much better players out there IMO
This deal is a long way off yet as I suspect his wage demands may be an issue, if he wants more than £40,000 a week we should tell him to "jog on"
He's be one of our top players should he come in and if we're not prepared to pay our top players more then £40k a week we may aswell not bother.
Im not convinced by him at all mate im afraid I he has an attitude problem and if he was that good why havnt Man Utd, Real, Barca been in for him.......Much better players out there IMO
Albrighton has the makings of a very good player. However, his performances towards the end of the season were very poor. One game when he came on as sub at half-time at home (can't remember who against - maybe Wolves?) he was dreadful - completely clueless. But this is part of him developing, getting found out by opposition defenders and then having to overcome this. I think he will but we cannot rely on him totally yet.Must say I agree with this. Also, ill-discipline from him cost us some stupid free kicks that led to dropped points. Fulham away in particular sticks out in my mind. He has enormous potential, but he's still developing. This could be a big season for him, he will have learned from his first team experience last year. However, it'll be another little while before he's the finished article.
Does anyone know why the deal collapsed when AM tried to sign him for Bloose? The only quotes I've seen suggest all was done and dusted but then "the goal posts were moved at the last minute". Kind of suggests N'Zog was about to sign but then he (or his agent) upped their wage demands and then didn't sign? If so there may be an attitude issue in there.
Eh? The N'zogbia i've seen tends to have a couple of blinding games a season when he looks world class and the rest of time he comes across as disinterested. The ability is there but "always gives 100%"?? I'd say his workrate is the major question mark about him.
I wasn't at all suggesting we should give up on Albrighton. But I do think he needs to improve quite a few areas of his game. I think it's often the case that pacy direct wingers make an immediate impact with a bit of surprise factor, but then get found out a bit. They can often overcome this but sometimes don't. Albrighton's great advantage is his crossing from a standing position without beating a man. But his passing and positional play are poor at the moment. I also wonder whether his dribbling ability is sophisticated enough to be consistently successful. I think Young got found out a little bit with this too.
N'Zogbia on the other hand is genuinely very inventive and tricky with the ball at his feet.
Does anyone know why the deal collapsed when AM tried to sign him for Bloose? The only quotes I've seen suggest all was done and dusted but then "the goal posts were moved at the last minute". Kind of suggests N'Zog was about to sign but then he (or his agent) upped their wage demands and then didn't sign? If so there may be an attitude issue in there.
That's what was reported. He turned up the day he was due to sign and asked for a extra £20k a week on top of what had already been agreed and Blues told him to fuck off. I'd say rightly so, but as it was the three stooges in charge at the time, who knows what the truth actually was? If he actually did that I couldn't see McLeish wanting to get involved with him or his agent again, so maybe whatever did happen was slanted against the player by Porno Dwarf, the Helicopter ehthusiast and the Slag?
The truth is that after the fee and wages were agreed his agent asked for an extra £10k a week and SHA told him the deal was off.
Eh? The N'zogbia i've seen tends to have a couple of blinding games a season when he looks world class and the rest of time he comes across as disinterested. The ability is there but "always gives 100%"?? I'd say his workrate is the major question mark about him.
Eh? The N'zogbia i've seen tends to have a couple of blinding games a season when he looks world class and the rest of time he comes across as disinterested. The ability is there but "always gives 100%"?? I'd say his workrate is the major question mark about him.
Couldn't agree more. Always my gripe with wanker...if he was/is that good how come he went missing for so long in so many games? When the going gets tough...
I think i will be shot down here, but i actually think if we sign N'Zog he will be a better player for us than either wanker or AYoung.More of a goal threat, more of a link player, more of an inside foward.
Can't think of too many games where wanker or AY actually took the game by the scruff of the neck.
Regarding Albrighton, he has Beckhamesque crossing ability, as good as anyone in the prem, but he needs to grow up physically and mentally.Struggles against pacy FBs, or aggressive FBs, needs not to be intimidated, and as someone earlier said, and as Beckham realised, with his crossing ability you don't need to beat a FB.
Eh? The N'zogbia i've seen tends to have a couple of blinding games a season when he looks world class and the rest of time he comes across as disinterested. The ability is there but "always gives 100%"?? I'd say his workrate is the major question mark about him.
I think i will be shot down here, but i actually think if we sign N'Zog he will be a better player for us than either wanker or AYoung.More of a goal threat, more of a link player, more of an inside foward.I couldnt agree more, there was something about Ash and that more I saw him play, more I saw less and less 'good' crosses into the mix.
I think i will be shot down here, but i actually think if we sign N'Zog he will be a better player for us than either wanker or AYoung.More of a goal threat, more of a link player, more of an inside foward.I couldnt agree more, there was something about Ash and that more I saw him play, more I saw less and less 'good' crosses into the mix.
I think i will be shot down here, but i actually think if we sign N'Zog he will be a better player for us than either wanker or AYoung.More of a goal threat, more of a link player, more of an inside foward.I couldnt agree more, there was something about Ash and that more I saw him play, more I saw less and less 'good' crosses into the mix.
The less good crosses but more good passes. He created a large proportion of Bent's chances, we're going to miss that and it's wishful thinking to suggest otherwise.
I think i will be shot down here, but i actually think if we sign N'Zog he will be a better player for us than either wanker or AYoung.More of a goal threat, more of a link player, more of an inside foward.I couldnt agree more, there was something about Ash and that more I saw him play, more I saw less and less 'good' crosses into the mix.
The less good crosses but more good passes. He created a large proportion of Bent's chances, we're going to miss that and it's wishful thinking to suggest otherwise.
He was dreadful last season - end of.
I think i will be shot down here, but i actually think if we sign N'Zog he will be a better player for us than either wanker or AYoung.More of a goal threat, more of a link player, more of an inside foward.I couldnt agree more, there was something about Ash and that more I saw him play, more I saw less and less 'good' crosses into the mix.
The less good crosses but more good passes. He created a large proportion of Bent's chances, we're going to miss that and it's wishful thinking to suggest otherwise.
He was dreadful last season - end of.
I think i will be shot down here, but i actually think if we sign N'Zog he will be a better player for us than either wanker or AYoung.More of a goal threat, more of a link player, more of an inside foward.I couldnt agree more, there was something about Ash and that more I saw him play, more I saw less and less 'good' crosses into the mix.
The less good crosses but more good passes. He created a large proportion of Bent's chances, we're going to miss that and it's wishful thinking to suggest otherwise.
He was dreadful last season - end of.
I've been posting this every other hour, but even with Downing gone I think the most important thing is to sign a holding midfielder who can tackle. Until that happens, I'll side with the pessimists.
Think Makoun and Ireland will find the passes for Bent. But Parker can hold up play and dominate the midfield ....
I think i will be shot down here, but i actually think if we sign N'Zog he will be a better player for us than either wanker or AYoung.More of a goal threat, more of a link player, more of an inside foward.I couldnt agree more, there was something about Ash and that more I saw him play, more I saw less and less 'good' crosses into the mix.
The less good crosses but more good passes. He created a large proportion of Bent's chances, we're going to miss that and it's wishful thinking to suggest otherwise.
He was dreadful last season - end of.
I've been posting this every other hour, but even with Downing gone I think the most important thing is to sign a holding midfielder who can tackle. Until that happens, I'll side with the pessimists.
Next week I expect to see:-I hope so. That trio will improve our team greatly.
N'Zogbia
Given
Parker
All in Villa's new shirt.
Would set me up wonderfully for my 2 weeks in back of beyond...er Northumberland!Next week I expect to see:-I hope so. That trio will improve our team greatly.
N'Zogbia
Given
Parker
All in Villa's new shirt.
In Hale Piccolino having Lunch with @Vi_Deluxe, my Last 2 days before the Trip hopefully ☺
He just tweeted this:QuoteIn Hale Piccolino having Lunch with @Vi_Deluxe, my Last 2 days before the Trip hopefully ☺
Two days before the trip?
Are we flying out somewhere in two days?
What's his real Twitter username Paulie?
He just tweeted this:QuoteIn Hale Piccolino having Lunch with @Vi_Deluxe, my Last 2 days before the Trip hopefully ☺
Two days before the trip?
Are we flying out somewhere in two days?
Trust me this deal will not happen.
comon Villa give them 10m and sign him up,all this messin about over 1m!!
He just tweeted this:QuoteIn Hale Piccolino having Lunch with @Vi_Deluxe, my Last 2 days before the Trip hopefully ☺
Two days before the trip?
Are we flying out somewhere in two days?
Just took a look at his twitter account. links through to this classy pic of his bar bill from a club in Miami.
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg738/scaled.php?tn=0&server=738&filename=d7eph.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
There is no one else bidding for N'Zogbia, he's down to his last 12 months and a shitty little club like Wigan cannot afford to let him go for nothing. We can let Wigan stew & the closer it gets to August 31st the more desperate they will get to sell.
He just tweeted this:QuoteIn Hale Piccolino having Lunch with @Vi_Deluxe, my Last 2 days before the Trip hopefully ☺
Two days before the trip?
Are we flying out somewhere in two days?
Just took a look at his twitter account. links through to this classy pic of his bar bill from a club in Miami.
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg738/scaled.php?tn=0&server=738&filename=d7eph.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
Is that picture not from a sportsman from America? There has been a big deal made out of it in USA.
Whelan is a top businessman aswell as a good chairman. We have just sold £40m worth of players, he will stick it out as long as he can to get top dollar for him. I'd pay mo more than 12m.
Could get Tommy Hitzelsperger for free, least he will give 100%
Maybe, but he holds all the cards.
Maybe, but he holds all the cards.
Are you a mind reader Curiousorange?
Every Villa fan I communicate with is saying the same ' just a million more ?'
Tedium personified.
Maybe the whole N'Zogbia thing is a smokescreen for our Vargas bid
Maybe the whole N'Zogbia thing is a smokescreen for our Vargas bid
The problem as I see it is that AM's probably only got about £12-13 million to spend in total. So if we pay £10 million rather than £9 million fir nzogbia then it makes a big difference in the quality of who he can then buy.
Same under Doug Ellis- went after Robbie Keane-offered 5.5m, Wolves wanted 6m ended up losing him to Coventry!
A few weeks late sold Micheal Oakes to Wolves for 500k!
Yea and how wrong is that, merceneries every one of them.So just to clarify, they're bastards if they want to leave during their contracts and they're bastards if they complete their contractual obligations in full?
What people?Twitter no doubt
If there were any other teams bidding or he had 3 years left on his contract I could understand the rush. Whelan has already been quote as saying N'Zogbia will be sold this summer.
They need the money, we want the player. We have several other options they appear to have two, sell to us or keep him. I can't see him signing a new contract. Lets see who's breaks first, my bet is a compromise of £9.5m or £9m plus £1m add-ons.
If we offered £10m without question I think Whelan would then ask for £12m
Great. Just what we need another pain in the arse in the dressing room. Apologies to him if he's just got bad press but he seems a bit of a prick frankly.
Sorry but when players start going on strike like they're on 200 quid a week my sympathy disappears completely. If any of our players did the same i'd fuck them off straight away.
The thing is, football is all about hypocrisy.
We got all self righteous about Downing handing in a transfer request because he wanted to leave for Liverpool, yet now, we'll mostly pretend N'Zogbia is only going on strike because Wigan have betrayed him somewhat.
Anyone reckon it's worth a cheeky (and public) bid for Adam Johnson.
If we're lucky we'll sign him, if not it might make Whelan realise that there are other options.
Anyone reckon it's worth a cheeky (and public) bid for Adam Johnson.
If we're lucky we'll sign him, if not it might make Whelan realise that there are other options.
Joe Cole and SWP are not to be considered even on pay as you play free transfer. No way. Overrated at the peak of their powers, 5 years ago or more. No way.
Wigan will accept an 'undisclosed' fee for nzogbia - maybe Heskey and/or Beye can be thrown in?
The thing is, football is all about hypocrisy.
We got all self righteous about Downing handing in a transfer request because he wanted to leave for Liverpool, yet now, we'll mostly pretend N'Zogbia is only going on strike because Wigan have betrayed him somewhat.
By threatening strike action NZogbia has shown himself to be yet another worm.All going well he'll sign, do well,get one of the Sky4 interested and we'll flog him next summer for £20m after he's threatened strike action against Villa we've all labelled him a judas bastard.The merry go round that is footballThat or Winston Bogarde. I prefer that.
By threatening strike action NZogbia has shown himself to be yet another worm.
By threatening strike action NZogbia has shown himself to be yet another worm.
Unless it's true that Wigan told him and us that he could leave if Villa pay £9m, and we offered that and they moved the goal posts. In which case he has a genuine grievance.
Footballers are mostly piss taking weasels now, but Dave Whelan definitely is.
Dave Whelan is just doing his job. Last week we were saying we should screw every penny we could out of Liverpool. That's what Wigan are doing to us.The difference being DW had previously stated he had to sell CNZ and has been practically hawking him.We neither wanted or needed to sell shitface hence 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' were forced to pay through the nose
How is what Wigan are doing any different to what we did with Downing?See my post above
hasn't Whelan always said 10 million and he leaves?
Dave Whelan is just doing his job. Last week we were saying we should screw every penny we could out of Liverpool. That's what Wigan are doing to us.The difference being DW had previously stated he had to sell CNZ and has been practically hawking him.We neither wanted or needed to sell shitface hence 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' were forced to pay through the nose
How is what Wigan are doing any different to what we did with Downing?See my post above
hasn't Whelan always said 10 million and he leaves?
Dave Whelan is just doing his job. Last week we were saying we should screw every penny we could out of Liverpool. That's what Wigan are doing to us.The difference being DW had previously stated he had to sell CNZ and has been practically hawking him.We neither wanted or needed to sell shitface hence 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' were forced to pay through the nose
But what Whelan said previously about CNZ and what he's doing now are absolutely none of our business. He's told us he wants 10m, and won't sell until he gets it.
We told Liverpool we wanted whatever-it-was for Gareth Barry, stuck to it, they didn't pay it, we kept the player. We told Liverpool what we wanted for Downing, they offered less, we stuck to our guns, and got an acceptable fee.
What's the difference?
We can not moan about other clubs protecting their positions and maximising their assets when other clubs come calling, when we've just been ranting about how we needed to do the same just two weeks ago.
I'd also dispute the fact that we didn't need to sell Downing - we clearly did, because he submitted a transfer request, made it clear he wanted out, and his contract was running down. That's largely the same situation as CNZ (although dont know about the TR yet).
The ultimate proof that we needed to sell Downing is in the fact that we did.
Because we didn't openly say we needed to sell the player, set the price and then move the goalpostsHow is what Wigan are doing any different to what we did with Downing?See my post above
hasn't Whelan always said 10 million and he leaves?
We didn't want to have to sell Downing but he wanted to go so we had to and made sure we got the best deal.
Wigan don't really want to get rid of Nzogbia but know thay have to because of his contract so they want to get the best deal.
How is it different?
Dave Whelan is just doing his job. Last week we were saying we should screw every penny we could out of Liverpool. That's what Wigan are doing to us.The difference being DW had previously stated he had to sell CNZ and has been practically hawking him.We neither wanted or needed to sell shitface hence 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' were forced to pay through the nose
But what Whelan said previously about CNZ and what he's doing now are absolutely none of our business. He's told us he wants 10m, and won't sell until he gets it.
We told Liverpool we wanted whatever-it-was for Gareth Barry, stuck to it, they didn't pay it, we kept the player. We told Liverpool what we wanted for Downing, they offered less, we stuck to our guns, and got an acceptable fee.
What's the difference?
We can not moan about other clubs protecting their positions and maximising their assets when other clubs come calling, when we've just been ranting about how we needed to do the same just two weeks ago.
I'd also dispute the fact that we didn't need to sell Downing - we clearly did, because he submitted a transfer request, made it clear he wanted out, and his contract was running down. That's largely the same situation as CNZ (although dont know about the TR yet).
The ultimate proof that we needed to sell Downing is in the fact that we did.
Yes, he's trying to get as much money as possible for his club but the inference seems to be that he quoted one price then changed his mind. That's his prerogative but it doesn't mean we just have to roll over and accept it.
It will get sorted by some sort of compromise as all parties want the deal to go through but I still reckon if we'd bid £10m first off Whelan would have asked for £11m, he's just that sort of bloke.
The thing is, football is all about hypocrisy.
We got all self righteous about Downing handing in a transfer request because he wanted to leave for Liverpool, yet now, we'll mostly pretend N'Zogbia is only going on strike because Wigan have betrayed him somewhat.
FFS I cant understand why we don't just pay up the £1m to get the fella. Its not like £1m in todays football world is a lot of money (except obviously for Wigan). In my opinion we got £10m more than Downing was worth so why not just reinvest 1/10th of that to get a player that we badly need?
Delaying this farce is only going to damage Villa's opportunity to get him - the more we piss around the more opportunity other will come the the table. Take out the friggin emotion, tactics, etc and get the job done Villa. If Zog is interested to come to Villa, what must he be thinking? They obviously dont want me to come THAT badly if they are holding out at the margin?
Whelan has every right to ask for £10m. Its a reasonable price in today's market. He's a wily old fox. So what if he was valued at £9m last year? That was before Liverpool & Manure overinflated the domestic market with ridiculous valuations of "reasonable" but experienced PL players.
To be honest I think the idea that a delay equals increased chance of the deal getting hijacked are overblown. If another club want him and have enough money to put a better bid in they will do it at whetever point in the window it happens. If we miss out on a player because we are trying to be clever and it backfires I will be as annoyed as anyone, but that hasn't happened yet.
If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.
Seeing how we paid 8.5 million for NRC and let him leave for nothing, seeing as habib Beye will cost us 8 million, seeing as we have paid 10 odd million in comensation, fucking about over a million makes us look stupid.
As if trying to save a million quid makes us "look good at business and that"
How much did Wigan signed him from Newcastle?
If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.
disagree,
i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.
he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan
to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works
Seeing how we paid 8.5 million for NRC and let him leave for nothing, seeing as habib Beye will cost us 8 million, seeing as we have paid 10 odd million in comensation, fucking about over a million makes us look stupid.
As if trying to save a million quid makes us "look good at business and that"
Or looked at another way.
Seeing how we paid 8.5 million for NRC and let him leave for nothing, seeing as habib Beye will cost us 8 million, seeing as we have paid 10 odd million in comensation, we need to be a bit more careful with money.
If we don't sign him and end up with SWP and a million in the bank would that be good?
Apparently, from reports in the press, Wigan want £12m for him not £10m as first reported. We have bid £9m as thats what we value the player as considering he is in the final year of his contract and that the same bid was accepted last season. DW is being an arsehole IMO. I believe he is moving the goal posts and delaying things as he wants more than what Nzogbia is worth (being in the final year of his contract). If Nzogbia still had 2 years left like Downing did, then yes, I would understand DW's stance but at the mo, he is being stupid.Not to mention Downing being an England International puts the price up
If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.
disagree,
i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.
he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan
to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works
If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?
If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.
disagree,
i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.
he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan
to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works
If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?
Must admit, that Mars Bars analogy is ridiculous. £9m is a bit different from 50p.
If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.
disagree,
i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.
he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan
to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works
If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?
Must admit, that Mars Bars analogy is ridiculous. £9m is a bit different from 50p.
Apparently, from reports in the press, Wigan want £12m for him not £10m as first reported. We have bid £9m as thats what we value the player as considering he is in the final year of his contract and that the same bid was accepted last season. DW is being an arsehole IMO. I believe he is moving the goal posts and delaying things as he wants more than what Nzogbia is worth (being in the final year of his contract). If Nzogbia still had 2 years left like Downing did, then yes, I would understand DW's stance but at the mo, he is being stupid.
If it's right he wants £12m, then how does this play into his statement previosuly that 'the price is £10m'? I want the player and we do need him, but NOBODY fucks us around twice.
Whelan cn go fuck himself of the roof of the nearest JJB store.
If it's right he wants £12m, then how does this play into his statement previosuly that 'the price is £10m'? I want the player and we do need him, but NOBODY fucks us around twice.
Whelan can go fuck himself of the roof of the nearest JJB store.
If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.
disagree,
i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.
he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan
to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works
If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?
Must admit, that Mars Bars analogy is ridiculous. £9m is a bit different from 50p.
Tongue in cheek, yes, but its 10% less than the asking price. Analogies don't need to be absolute.
Wigan can charge what they like - he's their player and if they want to up it they can. No different from us willing to flog Barry for pennies during DOL's time. Should we have stuck to that amount when Liverpool came calling? nah....
Wigan can charge what they like - he's their player and if they want to up it they can. No different from us willing to flog Barry for pennies during DOL's time. Should we have stuck to that amount when Liverpool came calling? nah....
Wigan can charge what they like - he's their player and if they want to up it they can. No different from us willing to flog Barry for pennies during DOL's time. Should we have stuck to that amount when Liverpool came calling? nah....
Difference was Barry was NOT in the last year of his contract nor did we previosuly accept a bid for him the previous season just like Wigan have done in the Nzogbia case. Last season, blues had a bid of £9m accepted and we have bd the same with the player into his final yr of the contract. No way is he worth £12m with one yr to go. If he had another season then yes, Wigan have a case and can up the price. DW is just trying to be too greedy now and wants to start some sort of bidding war.
If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.
disagree,
i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.
he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan
to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works
If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?
Must admit, that Mars Bars analogy is ridiculous. £9m is a bit different from 50p.
Tongue in cheek, yes, but its 10% less than the asking price. Analogies don't need to be absolute.
No, but they could be more realistic. The shopkeeper has plenty of other Mars Bars lying underneath the one you want and no doubt another box of them in the store room. Wigan have only got one Charles N'Zogbia to sell.
Wigan can charge what they like - he's their player and if they want to up it they can. No different from us willing to flog Barry for pennies during DOL's time. Should we have stuck to that amount when Liverpool came calling? nah....
Difference was Barry was NOT in the last year of his contract nor did we previosuly accept a bid for him the previous season just like Wigan have done in the Nzogbia case. Last season, blues had a bid of £9m accepted and we have bd the same with the player into his final yr of the contract. No way is he worth £12m with one yr to go. If he had another season then yes, Wigan have a case and can up the price. DW is just trying to be too greedy now and wants to start some sort of bidding war.
Of course they're trying to be greedy. Doesn't help that we've recently pocketed the Downing money and they want a wedge of that. As i said at the time, there was no need to force through the Downing deal till we had a replacement. Liverpool could have waited a week or so, but such are the ways of our fuckwit board.
Wigan can charge what they like - he's their player and if they want to up it they can. No different from us willing to flog Barry for pennies during DOL's time. Should we have stuck to that amount when Liverpool came calling? nah....
Difference was Barry was NOT in the last year of his contract nor did we previosuly accept a bid for him the previous season just like Wigan have done in the Nzogbia case. Last season, blues had a bid of £9m accepted and we have bd the same with the player into his final yr of the contract. No way is he worth £12m with one yr to go. If he had another season then yes, Wigan have a case and can up the price. DW is just trying to be too greedy now and wants to start some sort of bidding war.
Of course they're trying to be greedy. Doesn't help that we've recently pocketed the Downing money and they want a wedge of that. As i said at the time, there was no need to force through the Downing deal till we had a replacement. Liverpool could have waited a week or so, but such are the ways of our fuckwit board.
Wigan can charge what they like - he's their player and if they want to up it they can. No different from us willing to flog Barry for pennies during DOL's time. Should we have stuck to that amount when Liverpool came calling? nah....
Difference was Barry was NOT in the last year of his contract nor did we previosuly accept a bid for him the previous season just like Wigan have done in the Nzogbia case. Last season, blues had a bid of £9m accepted and we have bd the same with the player into his final yr of the contract. No way is he worth £12m with one yr to go. If he had another season then yes, Wigan have a case and can up the price. DW is just trying to be too greedy now and wants to start some sort of bidding war.
Of course they're trying to be greedy. Doesn't help that we've recently pocketed the Downing money and they want a wedge of that. As i said at the time, there was no need to force through the Downing deal till we had a replacement. Liverpool could have waited a week or so, but such are the ways of our fuckwit board.
Totally disagree the scales had been tipped by the dippers agreeing to our ridiculous £20m valuation, after starting the bidding at £12m. I still cannot believe they paid that sum and we quit rightly bit their hand off.
Wigan can charge what they like - he's their player and if they want to up it they can. No different from us willing to flog Barry for pennies during DOL's time. Should we have stuck to that amount when Liverpool came calling? nah....
Difference was Barry was NOT in the last year of his contract nor did we previosuly accept a bid for him the previous season just like Wigan have done in the Nzogbia case. Last season, blues had a bid of £9m accepted and we have bd the same with the player into his final yr of the contract. No way is he worth £12m with one yr to go. If he had another season then yes, Wigan have a case and can up the price. DW is just trying to be too greedy now and wants to start some sort of bidding war.
Of course they're trying to be greedy. Doesn't help that we've recently pocketed the Downing money and they want a wedge of that. As i said at the time, there was no need to force through the Downing deal till we had a replacement. Liverpool could have waited a week or so, but such are the ways of our fuckwit board.
Totally disagree the scales had been tipped by the dippers agreeing to our ridiculous £20m valuation, after starting the bidding at £12m. I still cannot believe they paid that sum and we quit rightly bit their hand off.
i'm not saying we shouldn't have bit there arm off but there's nothing against the rules that says you can't agree a fee privately and announce the transfer later.
As with any asset NZogbia is worth whatever someone is willing to pay.No point comparing other transfer fees.Dave Whelan, whatever you think about him is doing his best to screw every last penny for his club.He doesn't,nor should he care about Villa.I can't see why people are getting upset about it.
As with any asset NZogbia is worth whatever someone is willing to pay.No point comparing other transfer fees.Dave Whelan, whatever you think about him is doing his best to screw every last penny for his club.He doesn't,nor should he care about Villa.I can't see why people are getting upset about it.
That's true, and in many respects you can't blame him, but what happens if we say 'OK, go fuck yourself' and buy someone else? Is there another taker or will he be stuck with an unhappy player who may not perform and then go for feck all next summer?
Apparently DW has come out and said it's bollox about CNZ going on strike and DW has reiterated he can go for £10,000,000 and not a penny less.Get it paid Villa
What understanding did we have for 9 million??I think CNZ and his agent were told he could go for £ 9,000,000. Unless they were just basing that on what he was going for at Blues
What understanding did we have for 9 million??
What understanding did we have for 9 million??
Previous bid being accepted last season from Blues. Also, according to a reporter in the Sun (Dean Scoggins), the player understood that £9m would be enough for him to move to Villa but DW now wants £10m. I'm just going on what this reporter tweets on twitter.
Had Whelan been quoted as saying that the price was 9 million? or was it an agreement that wasn't written down?
Had Whelan been quoted as saying that the price was 9 million? or was it an agreement that wasn't written down?
From what I understand it was a verbal agreement between Whelan and the player.
If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?
I think we are going to get gazumped on this one...Appy Arry, Golum, King Kenny and Potatoface Bruce will all be looking at what is happening. Villa are doing the donkeywork on this and could get caught out at the last minute .
What understanding did we have for 9 million??
Previous bid being accepted last season from Blues. Also, according to a reporter in the Sun (Dean Scoggins), the player understood that £9m would be enough for him to move to Villa but DW now wants £10m. I'm just going on what this reporter tweets on twitter.
The player understood?
Bugger me I wouldn't trust most players to be able to understand the basics of colouring in.
Was there a 9 million clause in his contract?
If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?
Crappest analogy ever?
The player and his agent understood.
Nothing the a bit of assumption!
So that confirms that Whelan is doing sod all wrong
don't think he's worth 10m personally. 9m is pushing it. Looking at his 1 good game in 10 record i wouldn't be particualry perturbed if he turned up at spurs
don't think he's worth 10m personally. 9m is pushing it. Looking at his 1 good game in 10 record i wouldn't be particualry perturbed if he turned up at spurs
By my reckoning, those 1 in 10s must have been something special to get to 9 goals and 8 assists in the PL last term. Considering 90% of the games he was crap, of course.
I'm now of the opinion that it's decision time for us; either pay £10m or move on. Granted, we could already have moved on, but the longer it drags the more it a) has the potential to go tits up and b) messes about our pre-season plans.
Shit or get off the pot time.
Wigan Athletic chairman Dave Whelan has warned Aston Villa manager Alex McLeish against playing a waiting game for Charles N’Zogbia, and admitted he can’t understand why its Premier League rivals are refusing to match his £10 million asking price.
In an exclusive interview with Goal.com, sports retail tycoon Whelan has told McLeish to forget about signing N’Zogbia for anything less than £10m this summer, even though he accepted a £9m bid from Birmingham for the player when the Scot was in charge at St Andrews last year.
A defiant Whelan is refusing to budge over prized asset N’Zogbia amid reports that the former Newcastle player will go on strike and refuse to train in an effort to force through a move away from the DW Stadium as the transfer saga took another twist.
McLeish has earmarked N’Zogbia as the replacement for Stewart Downing following his £20m move to Liverpool but in the light of that business Whelan insisted that buying his player for half that price would amount to “stealing”.
Whelan told Goal.com: “Aston Villa are still offering £9m and I want £10m. They offered nine, and I said 'no thanks, you will have to make it 10 and then you can talk to him'. Other clubs are interested so there is no way I will be going down to nine million.
“We said £10m and I am not going to let him go for a penny less. They have got £20m for Downing and they would be stealing N’Zogbia for 10 million. Stealing him. He is the best wide player in the Premier League without question so I can’t understand what they are doing.
“Last year we accepted £9m from Birmingham when Alex McLeish was their manager very late on in the summer transfer window and he thinks he is going to do the same again this time around, but he isn’t.”
North-east rivals Sunderland and Newcastle, as well as Everton, have been linked with the former Le Havre player who is out of contract at the end of next season, but Whelan revealed that neither have tabled bids for the 25-year-old.
Whelan continued: “Lots of clubs will be interested but all I look at is who is offering money and who has put a bid in. Sunderland as yet have not put a bid in. I do not know whether Newcastle are interested or not because they have not put an offer in.
“I would like to extend his contract so he would stay at Wigan because I rate him so highly but I don’t think he will stay. However, we will have to wait and see.”
Yahoo via Goal.com (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=goal-charlesnzogbiaisforsaleatmn)
I think we are going to get gazumped on this one...Appy Arry, Golum, King Kenny and Potatoface Bruce will all be looking at what is happening. Villa are doing the donkeywork on this and could get caught out at the last minute .
Something doesnt add up with this whole story. Why wont we match the £10m quoted by DW? I personally now think that that there maybe a series of add ons after the £10m fee that Villa dont agree on. The noise seems to be generated from one end and that end is Wigan.
Just sign Adam Johnson instead.
Hoilet is also in the last year of his contract (I think) so there could be good value to be had there too.
don't think he's worth 10m personally. 9m is pushing it. Looking at his 1 good game in 10 record i wouldn't be particualry perturbed if he turned up at spurs
By my reckoning, those 1 in 10s must have been something special to get to 9 goals and 8 assists in the PL last term. Considering 90% of the games he was crap, of course.
I'm now of the opinion that it's decision time for us; either pay £10m or move on. Granted, we could already have moved on, but the longer it drags the more it a) has the potential to go tits up and b) messes about our pre-season plans.
Shit or get off the pot time.
Exactly
Whelan is doing nothing different to us with Downing.
Let's not forget that we have had to pay Small Heath compensation for nicking their manager. people in glass houses etc
Absolutely you cant get a mars for that £££
If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?
Crappest analogy ever?
Yes it is you would never get a mars bar for 50p ;)
Everton are the team to worry about if Arsenal bid 15 odd million for Jagielka, Nzogbia will be off like a shot
I remember when they used to give you 3d to eat a Mars bar.
We'll sign him in January for £4 million then instead.But we want him now, not in January.
Let Wheelan play his brinkmanship policy and see how it unfolds. There are other left wingers out there.
I want him badly, as we've never had a player with an apostrophe in his name before.
Mcleish just on SSN when asked about Nzogbia directly, said nothings likely to happen before they fly out for the asia tour on the weekend.
The wait continues...
But will the player accept the transfer knowing he could come here and get paid more?I've no idea of Evertons wage structure tbh.Is it similar to that of Sunderland.What are the likes of Cahill etc on
But will the player accept the transfer knowing he could come here and get paid more?I've no idea of Evertons wage structure tbh.Is it similar to that of Sunderland.What are the likes of Cahill etc on
I guess if that's the case and Wigan won't budge.It would be in his favour to stay at Wigan and go for a free next season and DW gets nothing.Unless Sunderland/Everton break their wage structure or Spurs come in for him DW's screwed.You can see why were reluctant to upthe bid.That million is a over a years salary for N'ZogBut will the player accept the transfer knowing he could come here and get paid more?I've no idea of Evertons wage structure tbh.Is it similar to that of Sunderland.What are the likes of Cahill etc on
It's all paper rumour etc., but if you believe if we're offering £60k a week and Sunderland/Everton can't or won't match that. Given what happened at the Sty last year, I can't see him signing for anything less once he knows what's on offer!
I guess if that's the case and Wigan won't budge.It would be in his favour to stay at Wigan and go for a free next season and DW gets nothing.Unless Sunderland/Everton break their wage structure or Spurs come in for him DW's screwed.You can see why were reluctant to upthe bid.That million goes towards the salary for N'ZogBut will the player accept the transfer knowing he could come here and get paid more?I've no idea of Evertons wage structure tbh.Is it similar to that of Sunderland.What are the likes of Cahill etc on
It's all paper rumour etc., but if you believe if we're offering £60k a week and Sunderland/Everton can't or won't match that. Given what happened at the Sty last year, I can't see him signing for anything less once he knows what's on offer!
I remember when they used to give you 3d to eat a Mars bar.
Alright so Wigan said 9 and now they want 10 mill.
C'mon Villa just pay it and stop acting so small time. It's embarrassing, considering we've just pocketed the best part of 36 mill. Making a stance is one thing, missing out on players we need is fucking frustrating.
Alright so Wigan said 9 and now they want 10 mill.
C'mon Villa just pay it and stop acting so small time. It's embarrassing, considering we've just pocketed the best part of 36 mill. Making a stance is one thing, missing out on players we need is fucking frustrating.
The most frustrating thing is that at no point did Wigan quote us 9 million.
Alright so Wigan said 9 and now they want 10 mill.
C'mon Villa just pay it and stop acting so small time. It's embarrassing, considering we've just pocketed the best part of 36 mill. Making a stance is one thing, missing out on players we need is fucking frustrating.
The most frustrating thing is that at no point did Wigan quote us 9 million.
How do you know ? Maybe they did which would explain why we are so adamant not to up the bid
I have mixed feelings on this.
N'Zogbia is a good player who would be an aset to our team.
He is also just a mercenary, a hired hand. When we signed Milner, Young, Downing we were offering them a step up, a dream. yes we are bigger than Wigan, but stand as little chance of winning anything.
Desire is so important to a players success
Everton would be ideal for him to stop in the North WestIt's whether they would break their wage structure and pay him £60,000 a week.We already have players earning that. Can't imagine Cahill et al being very happy if they do
I have mixed feelings on this.
N'Zogbia is a good player who would be an aset to our team.
He is also just a mercenary, a hired hand. When we signed Milner, Young, Downing we were offering them a step up, a dream. yes we are bigger than Wigan, but stand as little chance of winning anything.
Desire is so important to a players success
I have mixed feelings on this.
N'Zogbia is a good player who would be an aset to our team.
He is also just a mercenary, a hired hand. When we signed Milner, Young, Downing we were offering them a step up, a dream. yes we are bigger than Wigan, but stand as little chance of winning anything.
Desire is so important to a players success
Thats my worry as well. I don't expect us to be able to bring in a load of loyal players who will refuse the advances of the big teams once they've been half good for a season, but N'zogbia seems a bit iffy to me character wise. I'm just tired of us signing idiots.
Why not bid £9.5 and have done with it?Yea meet them half way, good old bargaining skills.
Why not bid £9.5 and have done with it?
Why not bid £9.5 and have done with it?Why bid £9.5 when DW has stated he wants £10m? This whole thing is getting boring now.
Why not bid £9.5 and have done with it?Why bid £9.5 when DW has stated he wants £10m? This whole thing is getting boring now.
If he turns it down, so be it. What have we got to lose?
Alright so Wigan said 9 and now they want 10 mill.
C'mon Villa just pay it and stop acting so small time. It's embarrassing, considering we've just pocketed the best part of 36 mill. Making a stance is one thing, missing out on players we need is fucking frustrating.
The most frustrating thing is that at no point did Wigan quote us 9 million.
How do you know ? Maybe they did which would explain why we are so adamant not to up the bid
It has been quoted that Nzogbia and his agent thought they had an agreement that if a bid came in for 9 million he could leave.
They didn't have that agreement.
Just because 9 million was accepted previously doesn't mean it has to be accepted again
Why not bid £9.5 and have done with it?Why bid £9.5 when DW has stated he wants £10m? This whole thing is getting boring now.
If he turns it down, so be it. What have we got to lose?
The fact it will make us look even more stupid considering DW has said its £10m and then we decide to bid £9.5m.
Why not bid £9.5 and have done with it?Why bid £9.5 when DW has stated he wants £10m? This whole thing is getting boring now.
If he turns it down, so be it. What have we got to lose?
The fact it will make us look even more stupid considering DW has said its £10m and then we decide to bid £9.5m.
Errr that's the art of negotiation. I'm pretty sure that Whelan will have his best and worst prices that he'll accept plus loads of other variables. Speed of payment, sell on clauses, potential add ons, interest terms etc
That doesn't mean he wouldn't meet in the middle.He stated he needs to sell the player FFS.They need to strengthen their own squad and no other buggers interested.Of course ther's every chance he'd accept it.Why not bid £9.5 and have done with it?Why bid £9.5 when DW has stated he wants £10m? This whole thing is getting boring now.
If he turns it down, so be it. What have we got to lose?
The fact it will make us look even more stupid considering DW has said its £10m and then we decide to bid £9.5m.
Errr that's the art of negotiation. I'm pretty sure that Whelan will have his best and worst prices that he'll accept plus loads of other variables. Speed of payment, sell on clauses, potential add ons, interest terms etc
That would be true if DW hadn't stated on numerous occasions that villa have to bid £10m to talk to Nzogbia. Why waste time and say we'll offer you £9.5m? it will just make us look even more stupid. If DW didnt state a price then yes, we could offer £9.5 but he has clearly stated £10m
Unless Everton sell someone, they haven't got £10m to spend on N'Zogbia.They still couldn't afford his wage demands if they did
Unless Everton sell someone, they haven't got £10m to spend on N'Zogbia.
Why not bid £9.5 and have done with it?Why bid £9.5 when DW has stated he wants £10m? This whole thing is getting boring now.
If he turns it down, so be it. What have we got to lose?
The fact it will make us look even more stupid considering DW has said its £10m and then we decide to bid £9.5m.
Errr that's the art of negotiation. I'm pretty sure that Whelan will have his best and worst prices that he'll accept plus loads of other variables. Speed of payment, sell on clauses, potential add ons, interest terms etc
That would be true if DW hadn't stated on numerous occasions that villa have to bid £10m to talk to Nzogbia. Why waste time and say we'll offer you £9.5m? it will just make us look even more stupid. If DW didnt state a price then yes, we could offer £9.5 but he has clearly stated £10m
Why not bid £9.5 and have done with it?Why bid £9.5 when DW has stated he wants £10m? This whole thing is getting boring now.
If he turns it down, so be it. What have we got to lose?
The fact it will make us look even more stupid considering DW has said its £10m and then we decide to bid £9.5m.
Errr that's the art of negotiation. I'm pretty sure that Whelan will have his best and worst prices that he'll accept plus loads of other variables. Speed of payment, sell on clauses, potential add ons, interest terms etc
That would be true if DW hadn't stated on numerous occasions that villa have to bid £10m to talk to Nzogbia. Why waste time and say we'll offer you £9.5m? it will just make us look even more stupid. If DW didnt state a price then yes, we could offer £9.5 but he has clearly stated £10m
Absolute cock. You make a bid and it's either accepted or refused. As for wasting time, isn't that what Villa are doing at the moment?
Rick, you've also got to remember that the rest of football could not give two hoots about this perceived football transfer saga. Do us Villa fans get outraged that Chelsea gave only bid £27m for Modric, no we hardly know it's going on.
So I don't think anyone is looking foolish here, certainly not the club.
Rick, you've also got to remember that the rest of football could not give two hoots about this perceived football transfer saga. Do us Villa fans get outraged that Chelsea gave only bid £27m for Modric, no we hardly know it's going on.
So I don't think anyone is looking foolish here, certainly not the club.
.............and he is a very good player.
Why not bid £9.5 and have done with it?Why bid £9.5 when DW has stated he wants £10m? This whole thing is getting boring now.
If he turns it down, so be it. What have we got to lose?
The fact it will make us look even more stupid considering DW has said its £10m and then we decide to bid £9.5m.
Errr that's the art of negotiation. I'm pretty sure that Whelan will have his best and worst prices that he'll accept plus loads of other variables. Speed of payment, sell on clauses, potential add ons, interest terms etc
That would be true if DW hadn't stated on numerous occasions that villa have to bid £10m to talk to Nzogbia. Why waste time and say we'll offer you £9.5m? it will just make us look even more stupid. If DW didnt state a price then yes, we could offer £9.5 but he has clearly stated £10m
Absolute cock. You make a bid and it's either accepted or refused. As for wasting time, isn't that what Villa are doing at the moment?
Absolute cock? So youre telling me that even though DW has stated and its been reported in the press , that £10m will give us the right to speak to Nzogbia that we should go in with a £9.5m bid? Pathetic. Honestly. The club already look stupid for not forking out an extra £1m but in your eyes going up an extra 500k is ok?
Personally, im not too fussed whether we get him or not as i dont really remember him being talked about before the last 6 games of the season.
10 goals and 8 assists from midfield in a side that were nearly relegated is more than 'just above average'!
10 goals and 8 assists from midfield in a side that were nearly relegated is more than 'just above average'!
How many international caps has he got ??
When we sign a player that any of the teams who finished above us would like to have signed - then, and only then, I might start to get excited about the coming season.You must be over the moon with Given then.
Don't know how many international caps but he scored the other day for France.According to Wicki he has one cap......"N'Zogbia was called up to France's senior team for the first time by new manager Laurent Blanc, for the team's friendly against Norway on 11 August 2010. N'Zogbia played the first half of the game, which finished in a 1–2 defeat"
Admittedly it was slightly deflected but he cut in nicely from the right and hit a good left footed shot past... Can't remember.
I checked Wiki and it said 2.Maybe I used a old version of Wicki...I would agree Ash hadnt played for England before we signed him but Ash was 22 when we signed him and Charlie is 25, not much of a difference but IMO if Charlie was as good as some of you think he would have moved on from Wigan before now.........
But like I said, Ash was overlooked for ages even while being on fire for us, so I don't think international recognition is the best barometer.
I didn't say when we signed him, but a couple of years ago. It wasn't until Capello that he got a look in and then was in a couple of squads without much joy. He then got a 2nd and better chance recently. N'Zogbia is 25 and Ash 26, so how many caps did Ash have 12-months ago?
As I said, the telling stat is not his caps, but 10 goals and 8 assists. Checking the 09/10 season he got 5 goals and 6 assists, so an average of 7.5 goals and 7 assists a season. Call that just above average if you like, but bearing in mind he started as a fullback and has been converted into a winger, I think he's showing improvement and in a better side would give us Ash levels of output.
When we sign a player that any of the teams who finished above us would like to have signed - then, and only then, I might start to get excited about the coming season.
10 goals and 8 assists from midfield in a side that were nearly relegated is more than 'just above average'!
How many international caps has he got ??
DW on SSN stated that he hasnt gone to Austria with the Wigan squad so obviously his transfer is imminent. He also said that the price is and always has been £10m in this transfer window, no one has matched that yet and that is the price that he will go for.
Just pay the money Villa and get this deal closed.
DW on SSN stated that he hasnt gone to Austria with the Wigan squad so obviously his transfer is imminent. He also said that the price is and always has been £10m in this transfer window, no one has matched that yet and that is the price that he will go for.
Just pay the money Villa and get this deal closed.
If he told the player, as has been widely reported, that he can leave Wigan if they receive an offer of £9m, why is DW asking for £10m. Villa need to go public on this, not pay them an extra £1m.
DW on SSN stated that he hasnt gone to Austria with the Wigan squad so obviously his transfer is imminent. He also said that the price is and always has been £10m in this transfer window, no one has matched that yet and that is the price that he will go for.
Just pay the money Villa and get this deal closed.
If he told the player, as has been widely reported, that he can leave Wigan if they receive an offer of £9m, why is DW asking for £10m. Villa need to go public on this, not pay them an extra £1m.
He's playing hardball with his most valuable asset, a bit like we did with Barry two years ago.
DW on SSN stated that he hasnt gone to Austria with the Wigan squad so obviously his transfer is imminent. He also said that the price is and always has been £10m in this transfer window, no one has matched that yet and that is the price that he will go for.
Just pay the money Villa and get this deal closed.
If he told the player, as has been widely reported, that he can leave Wigan if they receive an offer of £9m, why is DW asking for £10m. Villa need to go public on this, not pay them an extra £1m.
He's playing hardball with his most valuable asset, a bit like we did with Barry two years ago.
Whelan is a huge, massive arse, but why should he make it easy for us?
Whelan is a huge, massive arse, but why should he make it easy for us?
Because he runs poxy Wigan, and he's dealing with Aston Villa.
If he told the player, as has been widely reported, that he can leave Wigan if they receive an offer of £9m, why is DW asking for £10m. Villa need to go public on this, not pay them an extra £1m.
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?board=2.0
interesting if not bizarre slant in this article from clubcall.com
Villa boss Alex McLeish has issued Wigan star Charles N'Zogbia with an ultimatum amid reports he is waiting for Sunderland to bid.
McLeish has told the French star to take their offer or leave it as he grows impatient with the winger who he had trouble with when he tried to sign him for Birmingham last summer.
Villa want N'Zogbia to join before the club jet out to Hong Kong for their pre-season tour on Saturday but, despite reports claiming a £10m deal has been struck with Wigan, the player is holding out for another club.
That club is believed to be Sunderland, where N'Zogbia could potentially link up with his ex-Wigan boss Steve Bruce, but the Black Cats have not tabled an offer yet.
McLeish is hoping he can tie down the Frenchman before he and his new squad leave the country but Villa are unwilling to increase their offer of £50,000-a-week.
He's just being an arse and it's about time we dropped our gentlemany stance and expose the twat for what he is. Again, if he told the player he could leave for £9m, why should we pay more?
He's just being an arse and it's about time we dropped our gentlemany stance and expose the twat for what he is. Again, if he told the player he could leave for £9m, why should we pay more?
I guess he owns him , at least for another 12 minths, so he can ask whatever he likes.
So AM flys out a day after the squad?
Chris Samba is tweeting about going Hong Kong with N'Zogbia's name in his tweet.
"Let's go to hong kong follow my man @CharlesNzo one of the best winger in this country"
Fingers crossed.
the ways things are going, the club probably wouldn't pay his for him to fly with the squad as he's 'non-essential' Do Ryanair fly there?
Matt Kendrick
Don't think McLeish flying out Sunday is anything to do with N'Zogbia deal-or-no-deal. Always scheduled to depart later than #avfc squad
If roles were reversed we would be doing exactly the same.
i like him
Whelan is a huge, massive arse, but why should he make it easy for us?
Because he runs poxy Wigan, and he's dealing with Aston Villa.
Or because he might well end up with fuck all at the end of it, something a club with their budget could ill afford.
Again, Whelan isn't a nice bloke at all, but he's a far, far shrewder business man than Randy, and just like we shouldn't just let our best players go when bigger clubs come calling, I don't imagine he wants to do the same.
All those screaming pay it etc.... what if the player wants more than the alleged £50K/week or as mentioned elsewhere is holding out for another club to come in (Sunderland)? I would rather we signed a player that wants to play for this club than another mercenary who will bugger off again.
CHARLES N’ZOGBIA TELLS WIGAN: I MUST GO
Charles N'Zogbia has told Wigan he wants to leave for Aston Villa
Saturday July 23,2011
By John Wragg
CHARLES N’ZOGBIA has told Wigan he has been at the club long enough and wants to leave for Aston Villa.
French winger N’Zogbia denied he will go on strike to force a move but said: “It has been two and a half years. I have given enough.”
Villa thought they had met Wigan’s £9million asking price only to be told it had gone up and there is now a stand-off between the clubs.
“If they want any more it is for the club to decide. It is not for me to demand a transfer,” said N’Zogbia, who did not join his team-mates on Wigan’s pre-season trip to Austria yesterday.
“Me, strike? Not at all. Come and see me at Wigan, you will see that I train every day.
“There was an offer from Villa, which Wigan refused. I have not been offered a contract extension by the club.”
Wigan chairman Dave Whelan said: “Charles is a great lad. If we do lose him, and we may well do, because he has expressed a desire to move, we will miss him enormously.
“For £10million he is an absolute snip, if Stewart Downing can change hands for £20million I don’t know what Charles is worth. He is the fastest, most direct wide player in the Premier League and I have always asked for £10m and hopefully we will get it.
“I would love to keep him, but everything being as it is we have to be sensible. Villa are not the sole bidders, there are another couple of clubs who are desperate to sign him. It depends how much they can pay up front, because we have got to re-spend that £10m this season just to replace Charles.”
Villa manager Alex McLeish, who was close to signing N’Zogbia for Birmingham last season until there was a dispute over wages, is adamant Villa cannot go into the new season with only the inexperienced Marc Albrighton as a winger after the £36m sales of Ashley Young and Downing.
I think McGeady would be a good signing at the right price. He's got excellent footwork and he's still young so he'd develop and work on the other aspects of his game. I don't want him instead of N'Zogbia, I'd like both. Plus, I want to us to sign McGeady because it will cause some people to go mental on here who have such strong opinions of him without ever really having seen him play, but none more so than cb who's bigoted head I expect to see explode with bits found as far afield as East Anglia, Cumbria and Hampshire.
Whelan's an arrogant cock. Imagine the uproar had Doug changed Villa Park to the DE Stadium like wiley old Dave has done up at Wigan. He likes the 15 minutes he gets to thump his chest taking on one of the big boys. We'll get our man. He knows it.
I would rather we signed a player that wants to play for this club than another mercenary who will bugger off again.
I think McGeady would be a good signing at the right price. He's got excellent footwork and he's still young so he'd develop and work on the other aspects of his game. I don't want him instead of N'Zogbia, I'd like both. Plus, I want to us to sign McGeady because it will cause some people to go mental on here who have such strong opinions of him without ever really having seen him play, but none more so than cb who's bigoted head I expect to see explode with bits found as far afield as East Anglia, Cumbria and Hampshire.
He has quick feet, TV. But that's about it.
He over elaborates, step over after stepover or trying to beat the man twice before putting in a decent delivery or taking a shot. Fine if he did the first part and still managed the second. But in this case, the first usually prevents the second.
I was genuinely surprised that we were so interested in him last year, with three decent wingers already on the books. Now that we only have one, I'd still rather see him go elsewhere.
I think McGeady would be a good signing at the right price. He's got excellent footwork and he's still young so he'd develop and work on the other aspects of his game. I don't want him instead of N'Zogbia, I'd like both. Plus, I want to us to sign McGeady because it will cause some people to go mental on here who have such strong opinions of him without ever really having seen him play, but none more so than cb who's bigoted head I expect to see explode with bits found as far afield as East Anglia, Cumbria and Hampshire.
He has quick feet, TV. But that's about it.
He over elaborates, step over after stepover or trying to beat the man twice before putting in a decent delivery or taking a shot. Fine if he did the first part and still managed the second. But in this case, the first usually prevents the second.
I was genuinely surprised that we were so interested in him last year, with three decent wingers already on the books. Now that we only have one, I'd still rather see him go elsewhere.
Agreed. He's the sort of one trick pony that excels in Scotland, but will get totally found out down here.
Isn't McGeady playing in Russia, home of stratospheric salaries?
McGeady would be a good squad addition. I wouldnt want to rely on Albrighton & NZogbia as our only wingers.
McGeady would be a good squad addition. I wouldnt want to rely on Albrighton & NZogbia as our only wingers.
I agree with the second part, but I'd rather we signed someone who is actually good at football to compete with them. Maybe someone young and promising from the lower divisions/abroad who would be willing to bide his time and accept not playing every game. Not McGeady on £60,000 a week.
Think we'd better get used to missing out on players. We're now entering a period of financial restrictions comparable with anything Doug served up The whole set-up reeks of no ambition and even the General's given up pretending.
Ah well it was good while it lasted.
Think we'd better get used to missing out on players. We're now entering a period of financial restrictions comparable with anything Doug served up The whole set-up reeks of no ambition and even the General's given up pretending.
Ah well it was good while it lasted.
You'll not be going down again until Lerner goes then?
Ah well it was good while it lasted.
Think we'd better get used to missing out on players. We're now entering a period of financial restrictions comparable with anything Doug served up The whole set-up reeks of no ambition and even the General's given up pretending.
Ah well it was good while it lasted.
You'll not be going down again until Lerner goes then?
mebbe when we're in the Championship. at least when he hit rock bottom we can start looking upwards. As it stands, we going backwards fast - not even standing still
Think we'd better get used to missing out on players. We're now entering a period of financial restrictions comparable with anything Doug served up The whole set-up reeks of no ambition and even the General's given up pretending.
Ah well it was good while it lasted.
You'll not be going down again until Lerner goes then?
mebbe when we're in the Championship. at least when he hit rock bottom we can start looking upwards. As it stands, we going backwards fast - not even standing still
If only all our supporters had your devotion.
Think we'd better get used to missing out on players. We're now entering a period of financial restrictions comparable with anything Doug served up The whole set-up reeks of no ambition and even the General's given up pretending.
Ah well it was good while it lasted.
You'll not be going down again until Lerner goes then?
mebbe when we're in the Championship. at least when he hit rock bottom we can start looking upwards. As it stands, we going backwards fast - not even standing still
If only all our supporters had your devotion.
heh. I went when we were really shit. If i was stopping going after the money ran like thousands this summer then you'd have a point about devotion
Think we'd better get used to missing out on players. We're now entering a period of financial restrictions comparable with anything Doug served up The whole set-up reeks of no ambition and even the General's given up pretending.
Ah well it was good while it lasted.
You'll not be going down again until Lerner goes then?
mebbe when we're in the Championship. at least when he hit rock bottom we can start looking upwards. As it stands, we going backwards fast - not even standing still
If only all our supporters had your devotion.
heh. I went when we were really shit. If i was stopping going after the money ran like thousands this summer then you'd have a point about devotion
Think we'd better get used to missing out on players. We're now entering a period of financial restrictions comparable with anything Doug served up The whole set-up reeks of no ambition and even the General's given up pretending.
Ah well it was good while it lasted.
You'll not be going down again until Lerner goes then?
mebbe when we're in the Championship. at least when he hit rock bottom we can start looking upwards. As it stands, we going backwards fast - not even standing still
If only all our supporters had your devotion.
heh. I went when we were really shit. If i was stopping going after the money ran like thousands this summer then you'd have a point about devotion
Right, I have asked the question about season ticket sales on three different occasions over the last week or so and I have been categorically told that they are on a par with the same stage last season.
I believe that after half season tickets were sold last year we ended up with around 22/23.5k holders. At this stage last year we were around 19k and that is where we currently stand.
Like you I presume, I know a few who have not renewed or are thinking of not renewing but the following at Walsall on Thursday, which was the biggest I have seen in about 6/7 visits and the fact that we have sold Fulham out more than 3 weeks before the game, with probably another 2k or so in the neutral end, suggests that whatever the "meeja" like to think and our more pessimistic fans the fans haven't given up and are with the club.
I guess we will see when the first few matches at VP are played?.
Think we'd better get used to missing out on players. We're now entering a period of financial restrictions comparable with anything Doug served up The whole set-up reeks of no ambition and even the General's given up pretending.
Ah well it was good while it lasted.
You'll not be going down again until Lerner goes then?
mebbe when we're in the Championship. at least when he hit rock bottom we can start looking upwards. As it stands, we going backwards fast - not even standing still
If only all our supporters had your devotion.
heh. I went when we were really shit. If i was stopping going after the money ran like thousands this summer then you'd have a point about devotion
Right, I have asked the question about season ticket sales on three different occasions over the last week or so and I have been categorically told that they are on a par with the same stage last season.
I believe that after half season tickets were sold last year we ended up with around 22/23.5k holders. At this stage last year we were around 19k and that is where we currently stand.
Like you I presume, I know a few who have not renewed or are thinking of not renewing but the following at Walsall on Thursday, which was the biggest I have seen in about 6/7 visits and the fact that we have sold Fulham out more than 3 weeks before the game, with probably another 2k or so in the neutral end, suggests that whatever the "meeja" like to think and our more pessimistic fans the fans haven't given up and are with the club.
I guess we will see when the first few matches at VP are played?.
You can't say things like that. Using evidence to dispute Greg's deluded theories based on absolutely nothing other than his own weird prejudices is just not on.
I'd rather have Wayne Routledge back than Mcgeady, but i agree it is hopefully a smokescreen for Dave Whelan.
because he is shit, and would be a very expensive maloney, who was also shit...I'd rather have Wayne Routledge back than Mcgeady, but i agree it is hopefully a smokescreen for Dave Whelan.
Why is McGeady disliked by Villa fans? I've never understood this. He isn't a bad player and can be quite tricky for defenders to deal with.
He never looked particularly good even playing in the SPL where Alan Thompson looked like Lothar Matthaus in his pomp. He struggles to get in the Ireland team. He's not very good at football. Those are the main reasons.
I'd rather have Wayne Routledge back than Mcgeady, but i agree it is hopefully a smokescreen for Dave Whelan.
Why is McGeady disliked by Villa fans? I've never understood this. He isn't a bad player and can be quite tricky for defenders to deal with.
I'd rather have Wayne Routledge back than Mcgeady, but i agree it is hopefully a smokescreen for Dave Whelan.
Why is McGeady disliked by Villa fans? I've never understood this. He isn't a bad player and can be quite tricky for defenders to deal with.
It was rumoured last summer that O'Neill wanted him. Therefore they can't be seen to endorse anything associated with him, however tenuously.
I'd rather have Wayne Routledge back than Mcgeady, but i agree it is hopefully a smokescreen for Dave Whelan.
Why is McGeady disliked by Villa fans? I've never understood this. He isn't a bad player and can be quite tricky for defenders to deal with.
It was rumoured last summer that O'Neill wanted him. Therefore they can't be seen to endorse anything associated with him, however tenuously.
Sorry but that's rubbish. I don't want McGeady because he's shite, I couldn't care less whether O'Neill liked him or not.
heheheh. On a par could mean 2 or 3k down if they're telling the truth and given their current record thats not guaranteed
I really don't know enough about McGeady to have a definite opinion on him so I'm amazed how many people we have with such an inmate knowledge of Scottish and Russian football. I can understand it from the Clyde Barmy Army but have the rest of you really seen enough of him to pass judgement?
I really don't know enough about McGeady to have a definite opinion on him so I'm amazed how many people we have with such an inmate knowledge of Scottish and Russian football. I can understand it from the Clyde Barmy Army but have the rest of you really seen enough of him to pass judgement?
I really don't know enough about McGeady to have a definite opinion on him so I'm amazed how many people we have with such an inmate knowledge of Scottish and Russian football. I can understand it from the Clyde Barmy Army but have the rest of you really seen enough of him to pass judgement?
Ireland matches.
He's by no means shite but nowhere near the level of Young, not too far off Downing.
The outlay on him, more than Moscow paid and matching his wages there would be better spent elsewhere.
I really don't know enough about McGeady to have a definite opinion on him so I'm amazed how many people we have with such an inmate knowledge of Scottish and Russian football. I can understand it from the Clyde Barmy Army but have the rest of you really seen enough of him to pass judgement?
heheheh. On a par could mean 2 or 3k down if they're telling the truth and given their current record thats not guaranteed
Well if we are going by current record you've been complaining about the Villa for 5 years now that I know of...
What I don't understand is how on earth people get such firm opinions about some players in obscure European leagues that don't get the tv coverage.
I really don't know enough about McGeady to have a definite opinion on him so I'm amazed how many people we have with such an inmate knowledge of Scottish and Russian football. I can understand it from the Clyde Barmy Army but have the rest of you really seen enough of him to pass judgement?
Ireland matches.
He's by no means shite but nowhere near the level of Young, not too far off Downing.
The outlay on him, more than Moscow paid and matching his wages there would be better spent elsewhere.
I've never rated him but he did look better in the last few games he played for Ireland. He even managed to go past players. End product not up to scratch.
He's not good enough for the premier league though.
I really don't know enough about McGeady to have a definite opinion on him so I'm amazed how many people we have with such an inmate knowledge of Scottish and Russian football. I can understand it from the Clyde Barmy Army but have the rest of you really seen enough of him to pass judgement?
The latest news is that we've had a bid accepted,also that AM is at his daughters' graduation ceremony, that's why he's not in HK yet.
I believe the second part of this - the first, it's gone beyond hope, more boring than a Coronation Street omnibus !
We've all said things that are a bit over the top, but insulting Corrie is going too far.
Please take it back.
The latest news is that we've had a bid accepted,also that AM is at his daughters' graduation ceremony, that's why he's not in HK yet.
I believe the second part of this - the first, it's gone beyond hope, more boring than a Coronation Street omnibus !
We've all said things that are a bit over the top, but insulting Corrie is going too far.
Please take it back.
According to Whelan there are other bidders, but unlike the Villa he doesn't go on to name them. Probably because they don't exist. Whelan put one over us on Martinez, I can't see RL letting him do it again. There will, eventually, be a compromise. I hope!!
According to Whelan there are other bidders, but unlike the Villa he doesn't go on to name them. Probably because they don't exist. Whelan put one over us on Martinez, I can't see RL letting him do it again. There will, eventually, be a compromise. I hope!!
Please tell me how this happened because as far as I know Martinez never had an interview.
Now, if you mean 'put one over us' in the sense that he backed Martinez into a corner then you might have just the slightest flicker of a point.
The latest news is that we've had a bid accepted,also that AM is at his daughters' graduation ceremony, that's why he's not in HK yet.
I believe the second part of this - the first, it's gone beyond hope, more boring than a Coronation Street omnibus !
We've all said things that are a bit over the top, but insulting Corrie is going too far.
Please take it back.
Ok, I take it back :)
I have a horrible feeling that us fucking around might make N'Zogbia wait for Everton to get the cash, if they are really eager and we are faffing around over 1mill he might think twice about us.
I heard that he doesnt want to move this far south anyway, he is very settled up North which is why he really wants to go to Everton
I heard that he doesnt want to move this far south anyway, he is very settled up North which is why he really wants to go to Everton
Heard that too ... maybe it's Nzog himself who's slowing the deal down, waiting for Moyes to create the funds.
There is a potential flaw in this though in that it's questionable whether Everton can afford his salary demands.
I heard that he doesnt want to move this far south anyway, he is very settled up North which is why he really wants to go to Everton
Heard that too ... maybe it's Nzog himself who's slowing the deal down, waiting for Moyes to create the funds.
There is a potential flaw in this though in that it's questionable whether Everton can afford his salary demands.
By heard I take it you mean "read on the Internet", or are you mates with Charlie?
I heard that tooI heard that he doesnt want to move this far south anyway, he is very settled up North which is why he really wants to go to Everton
Heard that too ... maybe it's Nzog himself who's slowing the deal down, waiting for Moyes to create the funds.
There is a potential flaw in this though in that it's questionable whether Everton can afford his salary demands.
By heard I take it you mean "read on the Internet", or are you mates with Charlie?
A few years ago you had to at least get yourself a website on which to spout nonsense about transfers.
These days any bored 14 year old can start tweeting as TransferInsider or something, and before you know it, people are getting all "I heard that too" about their made up crap.
According to Whelan there are other bidders, but unlike the Villa he doesn't go on to name them. Probably because they don't exist. Whelan put one over us on Martinez, I can't see RL letting him do it again. There will, eventually, be a compromise. I hope!!
Please tell me how this happened because as far as I know Martinez never had an interview.
Now, if you mean 'put one over us' in the sense that he backed Martinez into a corner then you might have just the slightest flicker of a point.
According to Whelan there are other bidders, but unlike the Villa he doesn't go on to name them. Probably because they don't exist. Whelan put one over us on Martinez, I can't see RL letting him do it again. There will, eventually, be a compromise. I hope!!
Please tell me how this happened because as far as I know Martinez never had an interview.
Now, if you mean 'put one over us' in the sense that he backed Martinez into a corner then you might have just the slightest flicker of a point.
I think it's generally accepted that Whelan announced to the press a written request from us to speak to Martinez safe in the knowledge that Martinez was going to sign a new contract to stay. He used the situation to make us look like mugs or naive in the eyes of the press & the general public. To me that's what I'd call putting 'one over us', infact I don't know what else you'd call it?
I heard that he doesnt want to move this far south anyway, he is very settled up North which is why he really wants to go to Everton
Heard that too ... maybe it's Nzog himself who's slowing the deal down, waiting for Moyes to create the funds.
There is a potential flaw in this though in that it's questionable whether Everton can afford his salary demands.
By heard I take it you mean "read on the Internet", or are you mates with Charlie?
A few years ago you had to at least get yourself a website on which to spout nonsense about transfers.
These days any bored 14 year old can start tweeting as TransferInsider or something, and before you know it, people are getting all "I heard that too" about their made up crap.
According to Whelan there are other bidders, but unlike the Villa he doesn't go on to name them. Probably because they don't exist. Whelan put one over us on Martinez, I can't see RL letting him do it again. There will, eventually, be a compromise. I hope!!
Please tell me how this happened because as far as I know Martinez never had an interview.
Now, if you mean 'put one over us' in the sense that he backed Martinez into a corner then you might have just the slightest flicker of a point.
I think it's generally accepted that Whelan announced to the press a written request from us to speak to Martinez safe in the knowledge that Martinez was going to sign a new contract to stay. He used the situation to make us look like mugs or naive in the eyes of the press & the general public. To me that's what I'd call putting 'one over us', infact I don't know what else you'd call it?
How is breaking a confidence "putting one over us"?
According to Whelan there are other bidders, but unlike the Villa he doesn't go on to name them. Probably because they don't exist. Whelan put one over us on Martinez, I can't see RL letting him do it again. There will, eventually, be a compromise. I hope!!
Please tell me how this happened because as far as I know Martinez never had an interview.
Now, if you mean 'put one over us' in the sense that he backed Martinez into a corner then you might have just the slightest flicker of a point.
I think it's generally accepted that Whelan announced to the press a written request from us to speak to Martinez safe in the knowledge that Martinez was going to sign a new contract to stay. He used the situation to make us look like mugs or naive in the eyes of the press & the general public. To me that's what I'd call putting 'one over us', infact I don't know what else you'd call it?
How is breaking a confidence "putting one over us"?
How is breaking a confidence "putting one over us"?
How is being deceitful & making Villa look like fools not?
Guys - back to the main thread!....N'Zogbia agreed fee will be announced tomorrow - John Richardson of the Express is usually fairly accurate - he's a senior journo for the Express. I'll probably get blasted for this, but (I'm usually ultra pessimistic!) I believe it'll all unfold on Monday!Hope this is true, but Eck said he wanted to get it done before hong kong? How's he going to discuss things over with McLeish?
Guys - back to the main thread!....N'Zogbia agreed fee will be announced tomorrow - John Richardson of the Express is usually fairly accurate - he's a senior journo for the Express. I'll probably get blasted for this, but (I'm usually ultra pessimistic!) I believe it'll all unfold on Monday!
Guys - back to the main thread!....N'Zogbia agreed fee will be announced tomorrow - John Richardson of the Express is usually fairly accurate - he's a senior journo for the Express. I'll probably get blasted for this, but (I'm usually ultra pessimistic!) I believe it'll all unfold on Monday!Hope this is true, but Eck said he wanted to get it done before hong kong? How's he going to discuss things over with McLeish?
Guys - back to the main thread!....N'Zogbia agreed fee will be announced tomorrow - John Richardson of the Express is usually fairly accurate - he's a senior journo for the Express. I'll probably get blasted for this, but (I'm usually ultra pessimistic!) I believe it'll all unfold on Monday!
I think you might be correct. There seems to be a couple of press reports suggesting that there was a break in the impasse and the deal is moving along again. If it gets done tomorrow then maybe he flies out with AM to HK to join up with the rest of the squad.
How is breaking a confidence "putting one over us"?
How is being deceitful & making Villa look like fools not?
In that case the News of the World put one over Millie Dowler's family.
How is breaking a confidence "putting one over us"?
How is being deceitful & making Villa look like fools not?
In that case the News of the World put one over Millie Dowler's family.
WTF, how is that of any relevance?
Did Whelan put one over on us? In my opinion,Yes.
In yours No.
I'm not always right, but then again neither are you?
Guys - back to the main thread!....N'Zogbia agreed fee will be announced tomorrow - John Richardson of the Express is usually fairly accurate - he's a senior journo for the Express. I'll probably get blasted for this, but (I'm usually ultra pessimistic!) I believe it'll all unfold on Monday!Hope this is true, but Eck said he wanted to get it done before hong kong? How's he going to discuss things over with McLeish?
AM isn't with the squad yet, so it's feasible that they'll do the deal and fly out together.
Isn't CNZ in Dubai ?Guys - back to the main thread!....N'Zogbia agreed fee will be announced tomorrow - John Richardson of the Express is usually fairly accurate - he's a senior journo for the Express. I'll probably get blasted for this, but (I'm usually ultra pessimistic!) I believe it'll all unfold on Monday!Hope this is true, but Eck said he wanted to get it done before hong kong? How's he going to discuss things over with McLeish?
AM isn't with the squad yet, so it's feasible that they'll do the deal and fly out together.
.................hand in hand ;)
Guys - back to the main thread!....N'Zogbia agreed fee will be announced tomorrow - John Richardson of the Express is usually fairly accurate - he's a senior journo for the Express. I'll probably get blasted for this, but (I'm usually ultra pessimistic!) I believe it'll all unfold on Monday!
I think you might be correct. There seems to be a couple of press reports suggesting that there was a break in the impasse and the deal is moving along again. If it gets done tomorrow then maybe he flies out with AM to HK to join up with the rest of the squad.
No, CNZ is in Dubai - I just think that the fee will be agreed (It's probably already agreed) on Monday with a medical and terms sorted by Wednesday or Thursday. AM doesn't have to be there.
Is it possible we can get this player while the manager and team are in Hong Kong? ???McLeish hasn't flown out yet
Is it possible we can get this player while the manager and team are in Hong Kong? ???McLeish hasn't flown out yet
Is it possible we can get this player while the manager and team are in Hong Kong? ???McLeish hasn't flown out yet
The manager need not be here to finalise the deal. That is likely to be Faulkner's job as it is only a question of money!
Is it possible we can get this player while the manager and team are in Hong Kong? ???McLeish hasn't flown out yet
The manager need not be here to finalise the deal. That is likely to be Faulkner's job as it is only a question of money!
Oh god.
Guys - back to the main thread!....N'Zogbia agreed fee will be announced tomorrow - John Richardson of the Express is usually fairly accurate - he's a senior journo for the Express. I'll probably get blasted for this, but (I'm usually ultra pessimistic!) I believe it'll all unfold on Monday!
Pretty certain we'll lose to Fulham. Our record there is generally dire and they've had the (initial) advantage of starting the season earlier than us. Our good start in 2008 was due in no small part to our involvement in the intertoto.
Sides in that comp (or the early stages in Europe) tend to start well in the league -before having mid season dip. I'd far rather face Fulham in Nov/ Dec.
Is it possible we can get this player while the manager and team are in Hong Kong? ???McLeish hasn't flown out yet
Just hope we're not gonna have whelan crowing about how he got 10m from us as i don't see how he could back down after publicly stating how much he wanted. Which begs the question, what was the point of wasting all this time when you're gonna pay in the end?
Just hope we're not gonna have whelan crowing about how he got 10m from us as i don't see how he could back down after publicly stating how much he wanted. Which begs the question, what was the point of wasting all this time when you're gonna pay in the end?
That's an incredibly simplistic view of transfers, Greg. It isn't just about what the fee is. There are things like how it gets paid, over how long, how much agents get paid and who pays them, add on clauses, sell-on clauses etc etc.
If we pay 10m, that is the headline part, but nobody has a clue about the rest of the deal.
i reckon it will be undisclosed as well. Be interesting if for once the media show some bottle and ask him if he got his 10m.... My only angle is i think he's overpriced and thinking back 2 or so weeks, i recall us discussing his value on the transfer rumours thread and most seemed to think we'd get him for about 8m. I didn't :0)
I think selling downing for £20m and buying Nzogbia for £10m (or there abouts) is excellent business
I keep hearing that, but how often do our deals fall through at an advanced stage? I can't think of too many recently.
Personally, I think £10m is a bit of a bargain, especially when you consider what we got for downing.
I know that the popular party line is to be outraged that we are selling our best players, but in isolation I think selling downing for £20m and buying Nzogbia for £10m (or there abouts) is excellent business
Personally, I think £10m is a bit of a bargain, especially when you consider what we got for downing.
I know that the popular party line is to be outraged that we are selling our best players, but in isolation I think selling downing for £20m and buying Nzogbia for £10m (or there abouts) is excellent business
It is. I think N'Zogbia is the better player comfortably and in isolation the deal is outstanding business. But it would be even better business if we reinvested at least the other £10m from Downing in the squad.
Starting with a quality defensive midfielder and winger back up.
Rather than Downing, N'Zogbia replaces Young as well as we could hope for.
We can look forward to better set pieces too.
I'd imagine Zog and Albrighton taking corners, Zog taking direct free kicks and Bent taking penalties. And that sounds pretty good to me.
I think the intention is that N'Zog does replace Downing on the left and Ash's replacemnt in the centre will be Ireland, with Marc on the right.
It's a bit risky as it's a kid, a nutter and a new signing, but ability wise there's lots to look forward to and be excited about there!
Personally, I think £10m is a bit of a bargain, especially when you consider what we got for downing.
I know that the popular party line is to be outraged that we are selling our best players, but in isolation I think selling downing for £20m and buying Nzogbia for £10m (or there abouts) is excellent business
It is. I think N'Zogbia is the better player comfortably and in isolation the deal is outstanding business. But it would be even better business if we reinvested at least the other £10m from Downing in the squad.
Starting with a quality defensive midfielder and winger back up.
Rather than Downing, N'Zogbia replaces Young as well as we could hope for.
We can look forward to better set pieces too.
I'd imagine Zog and Albrighton taking corners, Zog taking direct free kicks and Bent taking penalties. And that sounds pretty good to me.
I think the intention is that N'Zog does replace Downing on the left and Ash's replacemnt in the centre will be Ireland, with Marc on the right.
It's a bit risky as it's a kid, a nutter and a new signing, but ability wise there's lots to look forward to and be excited about there!
i'm still not totally convinced AM will play two wingers anywayWhat will he do then?
Playing that midfield in front of a defence consisting of Collins and Dunne would see us concede 5 goals a game.
Can't see that. It leaves a side unbalanced and if our only attacking avenue is down one side, then it's too easy to mark that player out of a game. More likely we'll see him play two wide men, but give them some strict defensive responsibilities, thereby inhibiting their attacking potential.
Can't see that. It leaves a side unbalanced and if our only attacking avenue is down one side, then it's too easy to mark that player out of a game. More likely we'll see him play two wide men, but give them some strict defensive responsibilities, thereby inhibiting their attacking potential.
trouble is neither of them are much cop at defending. With only the two wingers if N'zogbia joins, well its very unlikely both will play every match with injuries and suspensions so we are going to have games when we'll have to play someone else in their position. If he only uses 1 winger I could see Allbrighton being back up with AM swapping N'zogbia about, with mebbe 1 up front?
Can't see that. It leaves a side unbalanced and if our only attacking avenue is down one side, then it's too easy to mark that player out of a game. More likely we'll see him play two wide men, but give them some strict defensive responsibilities, thereby inhibiting their attacking potential.
trouble is neither of them are much cop at defending. With only the two wingers if N'zogbia joins, well its very unlikely both will play every match with injuries and suspensions so we are going to have games when we'll have to play someone else in their position. If he only uses 1 winger I could see Allbrighton being back up with AM swapping N'zogbia about, with mebbe 1 up front?
I can see Bannan and Gabby/The Fonz being used as back up widemen.
And I'd disagree they're 'not much cop at defending'. N'Zogbia started as a full back, for a start. Modern defending is not about tackling, but being in the right position and tracking runs. This defensive organization is a strength of AM's, so I expect the side to be well drilled and knowing what their jobs are without the ball.
Playing that midfield in front of a defence consisting of Collins and Dunne would see us concede 5 goals a game.
The last two games of the season we looked far more cohesive and we've only lost Reo-Coker since. I don't think his absence suddenly makes us significantly weaker.
Playing that midfield in front of a defence consisting of Collins and Dunne would see us concede 5 goals a game.
Not neccessarily. Defending also consists of knowing your roles and position, and acting as a unit as opposed to individuals. We were very fragmented last year. With the right organisation and everyone pulling in the same direction any midfield can be taught to defend well. I don't think you need specific types of players in midfield or defence to keep the ball out of the net. The last two games of the season we looked far more cohesive and we've only lost Reo-Coker since. I don't think his absence suddenly makes us significantly weaker.
The last two games of the season we looked far more cohesive and we've only lost Reo-Coker since. I don't think his absence suddenly makes us significantly weaker.
Given what his strengths as a player were and that those attributes are what we seem to lack from the rest of our midfielders, then I'd strongly argue that it does.
That's not so say we can't make up for it by everyone else working harder and Makoun delivering, but it's an NRC type player we badly need right now, IMO.
Playing that midfield in front of a defence consisting of Collins and Dunne would see us concede 5 goals a game.
Not neccessarily. Defending also consists of knowing your roles and position, and acting as a unit as opposed to individuals. We were very fragmented last year. With the right organisation and everyone pulling in the same direction any midfield can be taught to defend well. I don't think you need specific types of players in midfield or defence to keep the ball out of the net. The last two games of the season we looked far more cohesive and we've only lost Reo-Coker since. I don't think his absence suddenly makes us significantly weaker.
We also need someone who can tackle in the middle, though, and of that midfield, the only one who can is Delph, and he's got a tendency to go in feet first, too.
That midfield is far too lightweight for my liking.
I agree. Delph can't tacke lthat well, he does tackle, but dives in. A breaker up of the play is good to have, like Reo-Coker, but can we have someone who can pass the ball please?Playing that midfield in front of a defence consisting of Collins and Dunne would see us concede 5 goals a game.
Not neccessarily. Defending also consists of knowing your roles and position, and acting as a unit as opposed to individuals. We were very fragmented last year. With the right organisation and everyone pulling in the same direction any midfield can be taught to defend well. I don't think you need specific types of players in midfield or defence to keep the ball out of the net. The last two games of the season we looked far more cohesive and we've only lost Reo-Coker since. I don't think his absence suddenly makes us significantly weaker.
We also need someone who can tackle in the middle, though, and of that midfield, the only one who can is Delph, and he's got a tendency to go in feet first, too.
That midfield is far too lightweight for my liking.
Playing that midfield in front of a defence consisting of Collins and Dunne would see us concede 5 goals a game.
Not neccessarily. Defending also consists of knowing your roles and position, and acting as a unit as opposed to individuals. We were very fragmented last year. With the right organisation and everyone pulling in the same direction any midfield can be taught to defend well. I don't think you need specific types of players in midfield or defence to keep the ball out of the net. The last two games of the season we looked far more cohesive and we've only lost Reo-Coker since. I don't think his absence suddenly makes us significantly weaker.
We also need someone who can tackle in the middle, though, and of that midfield, the only one who can is Delph, and he's got a tendency to go in feet first, too.
That midfield is far too lightweight for my liking.
SSN-Deal agreed Thank the lord
No, can confiirm deal agreed for £9.5 million :)SSN-Deal agreed Thank the lord
is that a deal agreed or Sky Sports understands deal agreed?
No, can confiirm deal agreed for £9.5 million :)SSN-Deal agreed Thank the lord
is that a deal agreed or Sky Sports understands deal agreed?
Guys - back to the main thread!....N'Zogbia agreed fee will be announced tomorrow - John Richardson of the Express is usually fairly accurate - he's a senior journo for the Express. I'll probably get blasted for this, but (I'm usually ultra pessimistic!) I believe it'll all unfold on Monday!
I believe you Villafirst, but if you -or John Richardson for that matter- turn out to be wrong, I'll have you stuffed and mounted on the BT tower. With no company save the crows, who'll peck your insides out.
Let's hope it's nearing conclusion. No doubt about the players ability (though I will admit to being a tad concerned about some of his past behaviour). Lets get this one done and move on.
Guys - back to the main thread!....N'Zogbia agreed fee will be announced tomorrow - John Richardson of the Express is usually fairly accurate - he's a senior journo for the Express. I'll probably get blasted for this, but (I'm usually ultra pessimistic!) I believe it'll all unfold on Monday!
I believe you Villafirst, but if you -or John Richardson for that matter- turn out to be wrong, I'll have you stuffed and mounted on the BT tower. With no company save the crows, who'll peck your insides out.
Let's hope it's nearing conclusion. No doubt about the players ability (though I will admit to being a tad concerned about some of his past behaviour). Lets get this one done and move on.
£9.5m deal agreed- welcome charlie!OTPITS
Now we need to rush through the rest before anyone else comes in for him.
Great!He was a bit of a dick when he went for talks at Blues. But, that's understandable.
The personal terms should be a just a formality then. Hope so.
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?
I think so.
301 - Only Lionel Messi (331) attempted more dribbles than Charles N'Zogbia (301) in the top five European leagues in 2010/11. Mazy.
Yes please
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?
I think so.
Frank O'Donnell, Allan O'Neill.
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?
I think so.
Frank O'Donnell, Allan O'Neill.
New to me. Thanks.
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?And who was our last decent French player? Didier Six?! Ginola was pony for us.
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?And who was our last decent French player? Didier Six?! Ginola was pony for us.
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?
I think so.
Frank O'Donnell, Allan O'Neill.
New to me. Thanks.
Okay, the first non vowel one?
Can't believe you've forgotten Isaac N'Kubi already?!Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?
I think so.
Frank O'Donnell, Allan O'Neill.
New to me. Thanks.
Okay, the first non vowel one?
Obscure or what? (http://www.astonvillaplayerdatabase.com/1007.html)I still miss him :(
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?And who was our last decent French player? Didier Six?! Ginola was pony for us.
For all of about 45 minutes on a famous day against Man Utd! Always reminds me of those ghastly claret tops we wore that season...
We also need someone who can tackle in the middle, though, and of that midfield, the only one who can is Delph, and he's got a tendency to go in feet first, too.
That midfield is far too lightweight for my liking.
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?
I think so.
Frank O'Donnell, Allan O'Neill.
Pleased to hear a fee has been agreed but I think I'll hold fire on celebrating until the personal terms are agreed......always worry about agents (& Whelan) trying to keep an auction going until last minute.
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?
I think so.
Frank O'Donnell, Allan O'Neill.
They're not really apostrophes!
Will an apostrophe on your shirt cost the same as a letter?Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?
I think so.
Frank O'Donnell, Allan O'Neill.
They're not really apostrophes!
Bad English to the Charlie thread please
Apologies for maybe going over old news, but does anyone know how much Wigan paid for N'Zogbia when he signed there?
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?And who was our last decent French player? Didier Six?! Ginola was pony for us.
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?And who was our last decent French player? Didier Six?! Ginola was pony for us.
Charles comes from Harfleur in Upper Normandy. A town granted its charter by King John and later invaded by Henry V, he is virtually an Englishman.
They give you a bottle of Tippex with each shirt so you can add your own.Will an apostrophe on your shirt cost the same as a letter?Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?
I think so.
Frank O'Donnell, Allan O'Neill.
They're not really apostrophes!
Bad English to the Charlie thread please
Apologies for maybe going over old news, but does anyone know how much Wigan paid for N'Zogbia when he signed there?
Not 100% certain, but I think £3.5m
Pleased to hear a fee has been agreed but I think I'll hold fire on celebrating until the personal terms are agreed......always worry about agents (& Whelan) trying to keep an auction going until last minute.
Whelan has just been quoted as saying he wants the deal done ASAP so hopefully this isn't the case.He must know that no other clubs are seriously interested
I'd say personal terms will just be a formality!
I'd say personal terms will just be a formality!Were you not adamant that this wasn't going to happen, or have I missed out on the sarcasm in your post?
There will have to be some emergency Zs flown in, along with some apostrophes.
Will this be our first ever apostrophized player?
I think so.
Frank O'Donnell, Allan O'Neill.
They're not really apostrophes!
Will they fly him out to HK?
O is a word all by itself, signifying "grandson" when attached to a grandfather's name or trade. The apostrophe that usually follows the O actually comes from a misunderstanding by English-speaking clerks in Elizabethan time, who interpreted it as a form of the word "of."
He'll make his debut at Derby I'd expect.Which I've got tickets for :)Will they fly him out to HK?
Even if they do, he won't be able to play as he hasn't got a work permit.
I'd like to see us go in for Palacios now as the midfield enforcer
Reading the Sunderland forums a lot of the fans are absolutely convinced that CNZ is desperate to go to them and still think their in with a chance even though Steve Bruce is on record saying that the deal is too rich for them
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=611585
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=611229
Anyone think there's a chance they could hijack the deal ?
Reading the Sunderland forums a lot of the fans are absolutely convinced that CNZ is desperate to go to them and still think their in with a chance even though Steve Bruce is on record saying that the deal is too rich for them
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=611585
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=611229
Anyone think there's a chance they could hijack the deal ?
Scott Parker for me is the key. Put him in there as an all action CM, and have him bring through Delph who still has a lot to learn. Signing Scott Parker makes sense on so many different levels, both for the fans, and for the club which is why AM wants him. Stick him in that midfield and it will be much stronger. In fact if we ended our buying with Parker and another CB (should Cueller go) then I'd be happy. Maybe a loan at RB too if I'm bring greedy.
As much I'd like it, I just don't think Parker will come if Spurs or Chelsea get serious bids in.
Reading the Sunderland forums a lot of the fans are absolutely convinced that CNZ is desperate to go to them and still think their in with a chance even though Steve Bruce is on record saying that the deal is too rich for them
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=611585
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=611229
Anyone think there's a chance they could hijack the deal ?
Well obviously if a club as big as Sunderland come in for him there's only one place he's going to end up. Or something.
I know some of our lot take stick for delusions of grandeur, but some of the nonsense they spouted after the Bent deal was first class.
Reading the Sunderland forums a lot of the fans are absolutely convinced that CNZ is desperate to go to them and still think their in with a chance even though Steve Bruce is on record saying that the deal is too rich for them
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=611585
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=611229
Anyone think there's a chance they could hijack the deal ?
Well obviously if a club as big as Sunderland come in for him there's only one place he's going to end up. Or something.
I know some of our lot take stick for delusions of grandeur, but some of the nonsense they spouted after the Bent deal was first class.
I remember an outpouring of bile from them (inc that one Dave had the ruck with on Look North or whatever they call Midlands Today up there) about "why would he leave a top six side for a struggling one" where they made the error of
- assuming the season stopped in January
- assuming one fleeting appearance in the top six makes you "a top six side"
- ignoring that Villa have finished in the top six for half of all seasons since Sky invented football, and in the same time Sunderland hadn't even been *in* the top flight for half the seasons.
It was richly ironic when last season, after all that, and after a terrible season for us, we still finished above them.
Wigan want 10, we offer 9. I'm sure there is a compromise there if only I knew what it was.....
Wasn't there a big song and dance about GH making up a list of all these young overseas players, surely it didn't go straight in the bin as soon as he left?
Reading the Sunderland forums a lot of the fans are absolutely convinced that CNZ is desperate to go to them and still think their in with a chance even though Steve Bruce is on record saying that the deal is too rich for them
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=611585
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=611229
Anyone think there's a chance they could hijack the deal ?
Reading the Sunderland forums a lot of the fans are absolutely convinced that CNZ is desperate to go to them and still think their in with a chance even though Steve Bruce is on record saying that the deal is too rich for themI am still very nervous about this now the fee has been supposedly set. Hopefully Villa have not done all the donkey work for someone to nip in and we are left with SWP or McGeady.
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=611585
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=611229
Anyone think there's a chance they could hijack the deal ?
The fact that he backed out of the Birmingham move worries me
I love the fact that Sunderland fans actually genuinely believe he would turn a potential move to us down to go to them. Deluded.
I love the fact that Sunderland fans actually genuinely believe he would turn a potential move to us down to go to them. Deluded.
I see what your saying, I mean it isn't like Craig Gordon chose them over us or anything.
I love the fact that Sunderland fans actually genuinely believe he would turn a potential move to us down to go to them. Deluded.
I see what your saying, I mean it isn't like Craig Gordon chose them over us or anything.
I dont pay a lot of attention to Sunderland but wont they be a bit flush after selling Bent and Henderson?
I dont pay a lot of attention to Sunderland but wont they be a bit flush after selling Bent and Henderson?
They've managed to spend all that on a series of about 10 players, each of which is more average than the the last. It's quite an impressive feat, when you think about it.
I dont pay a lot of attention to Sunderland but wont they be a bit flush after selling Bent and Henderson?
They've managed to spend all that on a series of about 10 players, each of which is more average than the the last. It's quite an impressive feat, when you think about it.
Charles N'Zogbia: 'There are many rumours are saying many things, but my transfer to Aston Villa is not done.' #avfc #wafc #efc
'The possibility of playing at #AVFC I like. I would be happy because I like to play in a club with more aspirations than Wigan'
Charles N'Zogbia: 'There are many rumours are saying many things, but my transfer to Aston Villa is not done.' #avfc #wafc #efc
'The possibility of playing at #AVFC I like. I would be happy because I like to play in a club with more aspirations than Wigan'
Those quotes aren't from his twitter account. At least not from the last few hours they're not.Charles N'Zogbia: 'There are many rumours are saying many things, but my transfer to Aston Villa is not done.' #avfc #wafc #efc
'The possibility of playing at #AVFC I like. I would be happy because I like to play in a club with more aspirations than Wigan'
That first one is slightly concerning. At best it's a veiled hint to the club that he could say no, so the wages better be right?
Take that back! "Nobody at Wigan has called me and my agent has not said anything. The possibility to play for Villa is something that I would like.
"I would be happy because they have greater aspirations than Wigan and the challenge interests me."
Bid accepted by Wigan on their official site.So should we still trust you, or are you revising your opinion of this deal not happening?
And ours..
Sunderland are in the driving seat here....
The Club are pleased to confirm that we have agreed a fee with Wigan for French international winger Charles N'Zogbia.
We will now discuss personal terms with the player and arrange a medical, with a view to completing the transfer later this week.
Sunderland are in the driving seat here....
eh? Or is this just another reverse psychology thing where you position yourself as being in the dumps just so you can be cheered up by the news of his signature?
Sunderland are in the driving seat here....
Sunderland are in the driving seat here....
Smashing. And the "later in the week" part. It's as if they're going out of their way to annoy our more excitable supporters. Which is fine by me really!
I wonder how the Sunderland fans will put a positive spin on it now.
I wonder how the Sunderland fans will put a positive spin on it now.
Sunderland are in the driving seat here....
eh? Or is this just another reverse psychology thing where you position yourself as being in the dumps just so you can be cheered up by the news of his signature?
To me, Merv's post was one of the few bits of sarcasm that actually work on the internet!
Sunderland are in the driving seat here....
eh? Or is this just another reverse psychology thing where you position yourself as being in the dumps just so you can be cheered up by the news of his signature?
To me, Merv's post was one of the few bits of sarcasm that actually work on the internet!
Sorry, couldn't resist... don't understand why (some) Sunderland fans think their chances of signing a player - that their manager publicly confirmed last week they wouldn't be trying to sign - have gone up since Wigan accepted their bid! Maybe their chances will increase further if N'Zogbia agrees personal terms!
Good news on the fee. Here's to a swift conclusion to the deal.
To all those criticising the club for "slow business". It would appear they have now saved 2 million pounds (I have no pound key!) on our two bits of business so far. Perhaps we are more astute than some believe.
I love the fact that Sunderland fans actually genuinely believe he would turn a potential move to us down to go to them. Deluded.
And the point has been refuted.I love the fact that Sunderland fans actually genuinely believe he would turn a potential move to us down to go to them. Deluded.
like Craig Gordon you mean
....
edit - I see someone already made this point
Also, wasn't our bid for Gordon just after MON's first season when we finished 11th? Despite going a bit backwards in 10/11, we're a hugely different proposition now to 2007.
As a bairn, he grew up with posters of Don Goodman and Alex Rae on his wall, like.
Also, wasn't our bid for Gordon just after MON's first season when we finished 11th? Despite going a bit backwards in 10/11, we're a hugely different proposition now to 2007.
I would say we seemed to have far more ambition then than we do now.
In the Lerner era, have we ever announced the acceptance of a bid on the official site and NOT gone on to complete the transfer?
I think it normally means it pretty much set in stone does it not?
Also, wasn't our bid for Gordon just after MON's first season when we finished 11th? Despite going a bit backwards in 10/11, we're a hugely different proposition now to 2007.
Now that the bid has been accepted, and he can't play in the Asia trophy thing, I'm really not concerned how long it takes as time isn't that great a concern now.
In the Lerner era, have we ever announced the acceptance of a bid on the official site and NOT gone on to complete the transfer?
I think it normally means it pretty much set in stone does it not?
In the Lerner era, have we ever announced the acceptance of a bid on the official site and NOT gone on to complete the transfer?
I think it normally means it pretty much set in stone does it not?
Milner, first time round.
That was Ellis Era!
That was Ellis Era!
No. Ellis had just sold up. It was just after we signed Petrov.
That was Ellis Era!
No. Ellis had just sold up. It was just after we signed Petrov.
Wasn't Milner supposed to be on the way to us to sign when the barcodes changed their mind and called him back?
That was Ellis Era!
No. Ellis had just sold up. It was just after we signed Petrov.
Sunderland are in the driving seat here....
It's true. Steve Bruce is playing this beautifully.
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but having two French lads (Charlie and Jean II) playing alongside each other will hopefully help them both settle.Makoun's not French.
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but having two French lads (Charlie and Jean II) playing alongside each other will hopefully help them both settle.Makoun's not French.
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but having two French lads (Charlie and Jean II) playing alongside each other will hopefully help them both settle.Makoun's not French.
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but having two French lads (Charlie and Jean II) playing alongside each other will hopefully help them both settle.
Makoun's not French.
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but having two French lads (Charlie and Jean II) playing alongside each other will hopefully help them both settle.Makoun's not French.
French speaking though
Don't know if it's been mentioned, but having two French lads (Charlie and Jean II) playing alongside each other will hopefully help them both settle.Makoun's not French.
French speaking, maybe eamonn meant?
No guarantee that they'll get on, of course. But it might help.
Also, wasn't our bid for Gordon just after MON's first season when we finished 11th? Despite going a bit backwards in 10/11, we're a hugely different proposition now to 2007.
I would say we seemed to have far more ambition then than we do now.
Really? A largely unknown owner and that same summer we has signed Knight, NRC and Harewood? Ambition is one thing, but actual ability/resources is another and a player will always want to see more of the latter. For all anyone knew at that time, Randy could have turned out like Carson Yeung.
Wasn't Petrov also learning French to help Makoun settle in?Half way through their French conversation, Stan will probably run out of steam.
Wasn't Petrov also learning French to help Makoun settle in?Half way through their French conversation, Stan will probably run out of steam.
How come he can get a visa for only some parts of Asia?
How come he can get a visa for only some parts of Asia?
and don't forget Beye as well as he can speak French as well.Who?
How come he can get a visa for only some parts of Asia?
You don't get a visa for an entire continent.
How come he can get a visa for only some parts of Asia?
Dubai isn't in Asia
It's a bit odd that he sunning himself 2 and a half weeks before the season starts.
Surely the continent is Australasia which incorperates NZ / Tazmania etc ???
How come he can get a visa for only some parts of Asia?Dubai isn't in AsiaHow come he can get a visa for only some parts of Asia?
Dubai isn't in Asia
Looking at that guardian article I just have this nasty feeling that we've traded in a reliable, deceptively useful, hard working player for a more talented headcase again. That didn't go so well last time.
I have had the privilege of watching one of the finest football players I have ever seen turn out for my team on a weekly basis for the past 2 ½ seasons, I just wish him all the best, you`ve got some player coming your way.
1) So, always feel awkward interviewing an editor when a player is departing, but here we go... Are you surprised that N`Zogbia has agreed to move to Aston Villa?
Not surprised that he`s agreed to go because you have the potential, but what I am surprised about, and no disrespect to Villa, is that a bigger club, perhaps the wrong words, shall we say one competing in the Champions League haven`t come in for him. He is top class and performs week in, week out.
2) Do you think he is right to want to move on and how will he be 'welcomed` when he returns in the claret and blue at your gaff?
He is at a stage of his career where he needs to be part of a team challenging for honours, he has expressed a desire to push on his international career and again playing at a more high profile club than the Latics will get him in the spotlight more often. Can see him becoming a permanent fixture in the France team.
When he returns to the DW I`d put my house on the fact that he gets a rousing reception, what he has done for the Latics over the past two and a half years has been fantastic. He is a legend; the performances that he put in during the run-in to the end of last season were nothing short of sensational. Most Latics fans will wish him the best and thank him for his superb efforts for the club.
3) What sort of a player do you think we are getting?
I`d go as far as saying that you are getting a World Class player, he is fast, great technical ability, works hard for the team and he is very responsible out on the pitch, he steps up, his attitude is spot on, don`t believe any of the rubbish you read about moods or tantrums, Charlie is comfortable on either side of the pitch but I think he is most effective playing down the right and cutting in, we have also played him in the hole behind the main striker. He can score, a good bet to pop up with very important goals, take a look at the highlights of our final home game of last season against West Ham for proof of that, all in all a top class player.
4) Straight choice, Stewart Downing or Charles N`Zogbia, which one would you go for?
Charles N`Zogbia without a shadow of a doubt, and I rate Downing, but Charlie is head and shoulders better, if you think you`ve ended up with a bum deal losing Downing and gaining N`Zogbia then you are in for a treat.
5) Do you think £9.5m is about right price wise?
Nowhere near what he is worth with the fees being paid for other players, definitely the bargain of the summer, due to his contract entering the final year that took away a bit of our bargaining power. You`ve got yourselves a tremendous asset for a relatively low price in comparison to the market.
6) Would you like Emile Heskey back?!?! ;o))
Err, no, would have last summer but a year too late, I thought he was off to Leicester?
A perspective from a Wigan fan (http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7509492)QuoteI have had the privilege of watching one of the finest football players I have ever seen turn out for my team on a weekly basis for the past 2 ½ seasons, I just wish him all the best, you`ve got some player coming your way.
1) So, always feel awkward interviewing an editor when a player is departing, but here we go... Are you surprised that N`Zogbia has agreed to move to Aston Villa?
Not surprised that he`s agreed to go because you have the potential, but what I am surprised about, and no disrespect to Villa, is that a bigger club, perhaps the wrong words, shall we say one competing in the Champions League haven`t come in for him. He is top class and performs week in, week out.
2) Do you think he is right to want to move on and how will he be 'welcomed` when he returns in the claret and blue at your gaff?
He is at a stage of his career where he needs to be part of a team challenging for honours, he has expressed a desire to push on his international career and again playing at a more high profile club than the Latics will get him in the spotlight more often. Can see him becoming a permanent fixture in the France team.
When he returns to the DW I`d put my house on the fact that he gets a rousing reception, what he has done for the Latics over the past two and a half years has been fantastic. He is a legend; the performances that he put in during the run-in to the end of last season were nothing short of sensational. Most Latics fans will wish him the best and thank him for his superb efforts for the club.
3) What sort of a player do you think we are getting?
I`d go as far as saying that you are getting a World Class player, he is fast, great technical ability, works hard for the team and he is very responsible out on the pitch, he steps up, his attitude is spot on, don`t believe any of the rubbish you read about moods or tantrums, Charlie is comfortable on either side of the pitch but I think he is most effective playing down the right and cutting in, we have also played him in the hole behind the main striker. He can score, a good bet to pop up with very important goals, take a look at the highlights of our final home game of last season against West Ham for proof of that, all in all a top class player.
4) Straight choice, Stewart Downing or Charles N`Zogbia, which one would you go for?
Charles N`Zogbia without a shadow of a doubt, and I rate Downing, but Charlie is head and shoulders better, if you think you`ve ended up with a bum deal losing Downing and gaining N`Zogbia then you are in for a treat.
5) Do you think £9.5m is about right price wise?
Nowhere near what he is worth with the fees being paid for other players, definitely the bargain of the summer, due to his contract entering the final year that took away a bit of our bargaining power. You`ve got yourselves a tremendous asset for a relatively low price in comparison to the market.
6) Would you like Emile Heskey back?!?! ;o))
Err, no, would have last summer but a year too late, I thought he was off to Leicester?
Encouraging comments. Thanks for posting that Legion.
So if his best position is on the right (whilst being able to play on the left) then will AM play him there and Albrighton on the left or will they genuinely compete for one place on the right, which I find unlikely?
And if so, are we only playing one winger or is a specialist left sider on the cards too?
Or maybe Delph will play left midfield with a winger on the right.
A perspective from a Wigan fan (http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7509492)QuoteI have had the privilege of watching one of the finest football players I have ever seen turn out for my team on a weekly basis for the past 2 ½ seasons, I just wish him all the best, you`ve got some player coming your way.
1) So, always feel awkward interviewing an editor when a player is departing, but here we go... Are you surprised that N`Zogbia has agreed to move to Aston Villa?
Not surprised that he`s agreed to go because you have the potential, but what I am surprised about, and no disrespect to Villa, is that a bigger club, perhaps the wrong words, shall we say one competing in the Champions League haven`t come in for him. He is top class and performs week in, week out.
2) Do you think he is right to want to move on and how will he be 'welcomed` when he returns in the claret and blue at your gaff?
He is at a stage of his career where he needs to be part of a team challenging for honours, he has expressed a desire to push on his international career and again playing at a more high profile club than the Latics will get him in the spotlight more often. Can see him becoming a permanent fixture in the France team.
When he returns to the DW I`d put my house on the fact that he gets a rousing reception, what he has done for the Latics over the past two and a half years has been fantastic. He is a legend; the performances that he put in during the run-in to the end of last season were nothing short of sensational. Most Latics fans will wish him the best and thank him for his superb efforts for the club.
3) What sort of a player do you think we are getting?
I`d go as far as saying that you are getting a World Class player, he is fast, great technical ability, works hard for the team and he is very responsible out on the pitch, he steps up, his attitude is spot on, don`t believe any of the rubbish you read about moods or tantrums, Charlie is comfortable on either side of the pitch but I think he is most effective playing down the right and cutting in, we have also played him in the hole behind the main striker. He can score, a good bet to pop up with very important goals, take a look at the highlights of our final home game of last season against West Ham for proof of that, all in all a top class player.
4) Straight choice, Stewart Downing or Charles N`Zogbia, which one would you go for?
Charles N`Zogbia without a shadow of a doubt, and I rate Downing, but Charlie is head and shoulders better, if you think you`ve ended up with a bum deal losing Downing and gaining N`Zogbia then you are in for a treat.
5) Do you think £9.5m is about right price wise?
Nowhere near what he is worth with the fees being paid for other players, definitely the bargain of the summer, due to his contract entering the final year that took away a bit of our bargaining power. You`ve got yourselves a tremendous asset for a relatively low price in comparison to the market.
6) Would you like Emile Heskey back?!?! ;o))
Err, no, would have last summer but a year too late, I thought he was off to Leicester?
How come he can get a visa for only some parts of Asia?
I think we'll see him play on both sides, dependent on who else is in the team. If it's Albrighton then he'll be on the left with Marc on the right. But if it's more of a 4-3-3 with Gabby, then I think we'll see Charlie on the right.
Another point.
Ireland was arguably at his best playing with Robinho behind an out and out striker.
Well, N'Zogbia reminds me very much of Robinho.
http://www.worldislandinfo.com/CONTISLAND.html
Australia is scientifically considered a continent, because of it's separation from other continental masses by tectonic plates. It also has it's own individual biodiversity. The Pacific Islands just get thrown into a geographic continent called because they are not big enough to be their own continent even though they are on separate plates. If Madagascar was the size of Australia, because it fulfils the other criteria it would be considered a continent.
http://www.worldislandinfo.com/CONTISLAND.html
Australia is scientifically considered a continent, because of it's separation from other continental masses by tectonic plates. It also has it's own individual biodiversity. The Pacific Islands just get thrown into a geographic continent called because they are not big enough to be their own continent even though they are on separate plates. If Madagascar was the size of Australia, because it fulfils the other criteria it would be considered a continent.
Yep, I think Australasia/Oceania is a region and the continent is Australia.
Antarctica
Only on H&V could a thread about a near record signing be overshadowed by a spat about the location of Australia.
Only on H&V could a thread about a near record signing be overshadowed by a spat about the location of Australia.
My standpoint on the location of Australia is that it isn't quite far away enough.
Antarctica
Antarctica
Burma?
Antarctica
Burma?
Italian transfers
Haha, I genuinly did'nt realise that I'd wrote that, thought I was on google and tried to look up the latest serie A transfers, did'nt realise I was still in here.Italian transfers
I like it.
Antarctica
Burma?
You panicked?
Haha, I genuinly did'nt realise that I'd wrote that, thought I was on google and tried to look up the latest serie A transfers, did'nt realise I was still in here.Italian transfers
I like it.
New Zealand is not on the same continental shelf and so is not part of the continent of Australia but is part of the submerged continent Zealandia and the wider region known as Oceania.
The narrowest meaning of continent is that of a continuous area of land or mainland, with the coastline and any land boundaries forming the edge of the continent. In this sense the term continental United States refers to the 48 contiguous United States in central North America and may include Alaska in the northwest of the continent while excluding Hawaii in the middle of the Pacific Ocean
Only on H&V could a thread about a near record signing be overshadowed by a spat about the location of Australia.
My standpoint on the location of Australia is that it isn't quite far away enough.
You could always launch yourself into space and thereby increase the distance? :)
Antarctica
Burma?
Constantinople?
Medical planned tomorrow, should be sealed on Monday!I really would have thought that you'd have learned your lesson by now on posting with apparent authority on this subject. According to you this was never going to happen.
Why can't things like that happen to me?
Medical planned tomorrow, should be sealed on Monday!I really would have thought that you'd have learned your lesson by now on posting with apparent authority on this subject. According to you this was never going to happen.
Bloody pithering around because he's on holiday.
In the old days, someone like Cloughy would have gone and found him and had him signing a contract on the beach.
Bloody pithering around because he's on holiday.
In the old days, someone like Cloughy would have gone and found him and had him signing a contract on the beach.
He'd have also declined signing him for being a cheese eating Frenchman!
Want this sealed ASAP. Arsenal are bidding for Jagielka and i dont want Everton with any money on the way, getting any ideas concerning Nzogbia .........Rumours going round on twitter that Everton are going to accept a bid of £18,000,000 and match our bid
Want this sealed ASAP. Arsenal are bidding for Jagielka and i dont want Everton with any money on the way, getting any ideas concerning Nzogbia .........Rumours going round on twitter that Everton are going to accept a bid of £18,000,000 and match our bid
Telegraph say £15,000,000Want this sealed ASAP. Arsenal are bidding for Jagielka and i dont want Everton with any money on the way, getting any ideas concerning Nzogbia .........Rumours going round on twitter that Everton are going to accept a bid of £18,000,000 and match our bid
If it's on Twitter.....
Telegraph say £15,000,000Want this sealed ASAP. Arsenal are bidding for Jagielka and i dont want Everton with any money on the way, getting any ideas concerning Nzogbia .........Rumours going round on twitter that Everton are going to accept a bid of £18,000,000 and match our bid
If it's on Twitter.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8669393/Arsenal-closing-in-on-Phil-Jagielka-after-submitting-new-bid-for-Everton-defender.html
Telegraph say £15,000,000Want this sealed ASAP. Arsenal are bidding for Jagielka and i dont want Everton with any money on the way, getting any ideas concerning Nzogbia .........Rumours going round on twitter that Everton are going to accept a bid of £18,000,000 and match our bid
If it's on Twitter.....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/8669393/Arsenal-closing-in-on-Phil-Jagielka-after-submitting-new-bid-for-Everton-defender.html
Want this sealed ASAP. Arsenal are bidding for Jagielka and i dont want Everton with any money on the way, getting any ideas concerning Nzogbia .........Rumours going round on twitter that Everton are going to accept a bid of £18,000,000 and match our bid
If it's on Twitter.....
Want this sealed ASAP. Arsenal are bidding for Jagielka and i dont want Everton with any money on the way, getting any ideas concerning Nzogbia .........Rumours going round on twitter that Everton are going to accept a bid of £18,000,000 and match our bid
If it's on Twitter.....
if they sell jaggs dont you think replacing him will be there number 1 priority?
plus kenwright will skim a good 10-12 mil out of that and give moyes 4-6 to spend,
when was the last time everton paid for a player? and surly 9.5 would break there transfer record. i really cant see them bidding in a million years
Barring youth and freebies, they haven't signed a single player for nearly two years now, let alone a big signing.
http://www.evertontime.com/
Yes.Barring youth and freebies, they haven't signed a single player for nearly two years now, let alone a big signing.
http://www.evertontime.com/
Is that worse than us selling 3 big players and bringing in one?
Barring youth and freebies, they haven't signed a single player for nearly two years now, let alone a big signing.
http://www.evertontime.com/
Is that worse than us selling 3 big players and bringing in one?
Barring youth and freebies, they haven't signed a single player for nearly two years now, let alone a big signing.
http://www.evertontime.com/
Is that worse than us selling 3 big players and bringing in one?
Yes.Barring youth and freebies, they haven't signed a single player for nearly two years now, let alone a big signing.
http://www.evertontime.com/
Is that worse than us selling 3 big players and bringing in one?
Of course it is.
Well, if we're using Beattie and Van Der Meyde as examples of their expensive signings then surely we can use Rooney and Lescott as examples of expensive sales that they've not replaced?Yes.Barring youth and freebies, they haven't signed a single player for nearly two years now, let alone a big signing.
http://www.evertontime.com/
Is that worse than us selling 3 big players and bringing in one?
Of course it is.
I suspected as much.
Barring youth and freebies, they haven't signed a single player for nearly two years now, let alone a big signing.
http://www.evertontime.com/
Is that worse than us selling 3 big players and bringing in one?
Barring youth and freebies, they haven't signed a single player for nearly two years now, let alone a big signing.
http://www.evertontime.com/
Is that worse than us selling 3 big players and bringing in one?
What has our transfer policy got to do with it? Everton haven't paid big money for years so the possibility of them finding ten million pounds down the back of Bill Kenwright's casting couch in the next 48 hours is very slim indeed.
Barring youth and freebies, they haven't signed a single player for nearly two years now, let alone a big signing.
http://www.evertontime.com/
Is that worse than us selling 3 big players and bringing in one?
What has our transfer policy got to do with it? Everton haven't paid big money for years so the possibility of them finding ten million pounds down the back of Bill Kenwright's casting couch in the next 48 hours is very slim indeed.
Everton haven't paid big money since the last time they sold a player for big money.
For the purposes of this conversation, the relevance is that they are rumoured to have sold Jagielka for big money and may want to spend it on Charlie.
They do have form in spending big on one player a season, which is usually tied to a sale of a player e.g. Jagielka.
I don't think they're going to steal N'Zogbia, I was just answering someone's question about when they last paid for player.
There is also no rumour they've sold Jagielka, there's a rumour Arsenal want him.Which is the same rumour that has been around for at least the last two years.
Barring youth and freebies, they haven't signed a single player for nearly two years now, let alone a big signing.
http://www.evertontime.com/
Is that worse than us selling 3 big players and bringing in one?
What has our transfer policy got to do with it? Everton haven't paid big money for years so the possibility of them finding ten million pounds down the back of Bill Kenwright's casting couch in the next 48 hours is very slim indeed.
Everton haven't paid big money since the last time they sold a player for big money.
For the purposes of this conversation, the relevance is that they are rumoured to have sold Jagielka for big money and may want to spend it on Charlie.
They do have form in spending big on one player a season, which is usually tied to a sale of a player e.g. Jagielka.
I don't think they're going to steal N'Zogbia, I was just answering someone's question about when they last paid for player.
And getting it wrong.
Barring youth and freebies, they haven't signed a single player for nearly two years now, let alone a big signing.
http://www.evertontime.com/
Is that worse than us selling 3 big players and bringing in one?
What has our transfer policy got to do with it? Everton haven't paid big money for years so the possibility of them finding ten million pounds down the back of Bill Kenwright's casting couch in the next 48 hours is very slim indeed.
Everton haven't paid big money since the last time they sold a player for big money.
For the purposes of this conversation, the relevance is that they are rumoured to have sold Jagielka for big money and may want to spend it on Charlie.
They do have form in spending big on one player a season, which is usually tied to a sale of a player e.g. Jagielka.
I don't think they're going to steal N'Zogbia, I was just answering someone's question about when they last paid for player.
And getting it wrong.
I love the way you deem your opinion to be right, it's quite impressive.
Barring youth and freebies, they haven't signed a single player for nearly two years now, let alone a big signing.
http://www.evertontime.com/
Is that worse than us selling 3 big players and bringing in one?
What has our transfer policy got to do with it? Everton haven't paid big money for years so the possibility of them finding ten million pounds down the back of Bill Kenwright's casting couch in the next 48 hours is very slim indeed.
Everton haven't paid big money since the last time they sold a player for big money.
For the purposes of this conversation, the relevance is that they are rumoured to have sold Jagielka for big money and may want to spend it on Charlie.
They do have form in spending big on one player a season, which is usually tied to a sale of a player e.g. Jagielka.
I don't think they're going to steal N'Zogbia, I was just answering someone's question about when they last paid for player.
And getting it wrong, then for some reason dragging our transfer deals into it. You got that wrong as well.
But they don't have form in spending money on one big player a season, as we've just demonstrated.
There is also no rumour they've sold Jagielka, there's a rumour Arsenal want him.
I thought you were big on facts?
You claim Everton have a record of spending big money on players. Almost one a season, you said. Wrong.
You then claimed we've sold three big players and bought one. Wrong.
I know it's difficult when the real world interferes with the sacred facts in your head, but do try to keep up.
I'm impressed with the turn out to my innocuous post. Has there been a "mod type" discussion elsewhere?If there was a discussion elsewhere, I missed it.But they don't have form in spending money on one big player a season, as we've just demonstrated.
There is also no rumour they've sold Jagielka, there's a rumour Arsenal want him.
I thought you were big on facts?
I am big on facts. I think you are wrong about Van der Meyde costing only £2m when they signed him from Inter
We've sold Milner, Young and Downing in the last 12 months and bought Bent. Correct.So if we sign N'Zogbia tomorrow then it'll make everything completely different?
What a lovely world it is where Andy van der Meyde (reckoned to have cost £2 million) is a big signing while Shay Given, Stephen Ireland and Jean Makoun aren't. Then again, judging by that pathetic last sentence, it's only to be expected.
And you forgot the "makes money from Villa fans" bit.
I have no idea why Villadawg is hell bent on proving that Randy is robbing the club blind and is no longer spending any money. If I had to guess, he has an owner called Shaggy and one day he'll unmask Randy in front of a packed stadium to reveal Doug underneath.Oh do fuck off. I've never suggested anything of the sort.
We've sold Milner, Young and Downing in the last 12 months and bought Bent. Correct.So if we sign N'Zogbia tomorrow then it'll make everything completely different?
We've sold Milner, Young and Downing in the last 12 months and bought Bent. Correct.So if we sign N'Zogbia tomorrow then it'll make everything completely different?
I do love the way your sources are always right and everyone else's are wrong.
Mind you, the phrase "you should have mentioned in GM" is even better. You should have been told and nobody else. And "honest about your influences." Perhaps you could say what you mean about that one.
If I post something "factual" on here and someone wants it needs sourcing, I'm always happy to explain the source of my information.
I do understand the facts surrounding our finances and I find it hard to believe that you as a fanzine editor accept things as readily as you seem to. You are entitled to of course, I just find it strange you have nothing to say considering the change between the clubs approach pre and post summer 2009.
I have no idea why Villadawg is hell bent on proving that Randy is robbing the club blind and is no longer spending any money. If I had to guess, he has an owner called Shaggy and one day he'll unmask Randy in front of a packed stadium to reveal Doug underneath.
I have no idea why Villadawg is hell bent on proving that Randy is robbing the club blind and is no longer spending any money. If I had to guess, he has an owner called Shaggy and one day he'll unmask Randy in front of a packed stadium to reveal Doug underneath.Oh do fuck off. I've never suggested anything of the sort.
£18,000,000 for Jagielka? He's not that good to worth that much. Besides Wenger don't splurge that kind of money on English players, especially defenders.Want this sealed ASAP. Arsenal are bidding for Jagielka and i dont want Everton with any money on the way, getting any ideas concerning Nzogbia .........Rumours going round on twitter that Everton are going to accept a bid of £18,000,000 and match our bid
Back to N'Zogbia and Sky reporting he's having his medical now.
Back to N'Zogbia and Sky reporting he's having his medical now.
After which Steve Bruce, disguised as a doctor, will swoop and snatch him away.
Did someone mention Bill Kenwright without mentioning that he's a 'theatre impressario'? It wouldn't have happened in my day, standards are slipping.
How long can it take for a medical
"Now Charles - drop yer kegs and look to the left and give me a big cough"
"Good here is a shirt now trot out onto the pitch please"
There isn't anyone here in UK to sign him is there?
There isn't anyone here in UK to sign him is there?
Is that a problem though? He's having his medical today and will sign on monday. What's the problem?
Did someone mention Bill Kenwright without mentioning that he's a 'theatre impressario'? It wouldn't have happened in my day, standards are slipping.
I used to sell snake-oil hair treatment to the terminally gullible in the dark and distant past and I'm proud to say Bill Kenwright, theatre impressario, was one of my clients. Probably explains why Everton are skint
Did someone mention Bill Kenwright without mentioning that he's a 'theatre impressario'? It wouldn't have happened in my day, standards are slipping.
Did someone mention Bill Kenwright without mentioning that he's a 'theatre impressario'? It wouldn't have happened in my day, standards are slipping.
I also thought it was the done thing to always state that he appeared in Coronation Street in the sixties too.
Like I said, i disagree that Van der Meyde cost £2m. The website I use for transfer details list the price as £7.9m.
Did someone mention Bill Kenwright without mentioning that he's a 'theatre impressario'? It wouldn't have happened in my day, standards are slipping.
I also thought it was the done thing to always state that he appeared in Coronation Street in the sixties too.
I once metioned Ryan Giggs without the words: 'Welsh Wing Wizard'.
It felt good.
Heard where?
I've just heard that Sunderland have made a late bid for N'Zogbia that's been accepted by Whelan. Apparently N'Zogbia's agent has asked whether the player wants to talk to them, and he's interested. Don't shoot the messenger. Maybe the Sunderland fans did know something.
I've just heard that Sunderland have made a late bid for N'Zogbia that's been accepted by Whelan. Apparently N'Zogbia's agent has asked whether the player wants to talk to them, and he's interested. Don't shoot the messenger. Maybe the Sunderland fans did know something.
absolute bollocks-he is ours!
if it was everton id worry but sunderland -not a cat in hells chance!
Dammit !! Bruces master plan worked then.Foiled again !!!I've just heard that Sunderland have made a late bid for N'Zogbia that's been accepted by Whelan. Apparently N'Zogbia's agent has asked whether the player wants to talk to them, and he's interested. Don't shoot the messenger. Maybe the Sunderland fans did know something.
absolute bollocks-he is ours!
if it was everton id worry but sunderland -not a cat in hells chance!
Hey I said I don't shoot the messenger. It was never going to be Everton. Their broke, and they have to sell first. Whelan wants this deal done as quickly as possible and he isn't going to wait for Everton to sell. Sunderland still have cash from the Bent and Henderson deals. This doesn't surprise other than why they waited so long. I hate Bruce.
We did agree a fee quite a few days back. Something is holding that deal up.
Well it will come out soon enough but then why complete a medical at Villa sure he would just put if off and head up north, I heard SAFC it's nothing to do with the fee it's his wages!!!
We did agree a fee quite a few days back. Something is holding that deal up.
Why would Sunderland wait until N'Zogbia was having his medical? I'd have thought if they were interested they would have matched or improved on our bid earlier in the week. Can't see it myself but as we always say - wait til he's ITSOTP before celebrating
We did agree a fee quite a few days back. Something is holding that deal up.
It was delayed as he was originally due to be here yesterday. His plane was delayed. Relax, it is all done bar the medical. Journo spouting rubbish. Nothing on Sunderland forums.
It is too late!
We did agree a fee quite a few days back. Something is holding that deal up.
It was delayed as he was originally due to be here yesterday. His plane was delayed. Relax, it is all done bar the medical. Journo spouting rubbish. Nothing on Sunderland forums.
It is too late!
my mate has nothing to gain by this. It's not like it's on a bollocks website. Now, his info could be iffy based on how he came across it, but he's had a solid career at the Echo so I'll believe him until it's proved otherwise.
The reason why this deal is held up is due to Villa being away, everything was agreed in principle with Zog so all it was pending was a medical. I'm telling you if we fuck this PF deserves shooting, playing Fifa 12 in HK when he should be closing deals.
The reason why this deal is held up is due to Villa being away, everything was agreed in principle with Zog so all it was pending was a medical. I'm telling you if we fuck this PF deserves shooting, playing Fifa 12 in HK when he should be closing deals.
I've pretty much disagreed with everything you've said on this topic, but fuck me you might be right after all. I've defended Faulkner, but this would be a disaster.
It would not surprise me at all if he hasn't swanned off to Sunderland, it's just another sign of how we have fallen when Sunderland is a better option in the eyes of players
now im beginning to have doubts-
TITUS Bramble reckons close friend Charles N’Zogbia is keen on a Sunderland switch.
Having spent the last year talking up the Black Cats to his former team-mate, the Sunderland defender would naturally be delighted if the club can snatch the “fantastic” France international from under the noses of fellow suitors Aston Villa.
That still appears a long shot, he concedes, but with N’Zogbia seemingly sold on a move to the Midlands – and Wigan turning down an initial bid from the Villans – there is still a chance that he could be pulling on a red and white shirt at some point.
“I have spoken to Charles a few times this summer,” Bramble told The Journal at Sunderland’s German training base.
“When I spoke to him last year he said it’d be a fantastic move for him. Whether it materialises for him or not I don’t know – but you never know in football. I think the players wo
Despite Steve Bruce writing off the move over the weekend, N’Zogbia remains on the Sunderland manager’s wishlist.
The Black Cats boss is being kept abreast of developments out in Germany
and while the £10million price tag has made him “too rich” for Bruce to move swiftly, the stalling of his move to Villa Park is a positive development.
He would need to shift players off the wage bill and probably raise funds to make it happen – but Bramble believes it would be the right move for his friend.
“There’s nothing much I can do, but I’d like him here. I’ve told him how great Sunderland are – he knows how good a club it is.
“Every time we speak, we speak about football and he knows how highly I think about the club. He knows everything about it.”
Landing N’Zogbia would give Bruce the final piece of his jigsaw but even if nothing happens, an air of positivity emanates from the Black Cats’ German training base in the Hannover hills.
Read More http://www.journallive.co.uk/safc/safc-news/2011/07/20/charles-n-zogbia-keen-on-safc-move-says-titus-bramble-61634-29085974/#ixzz1TVdkY7CE
Is your friend Graeme Anderson?
How do you know that irreverent?
Someone just told me he's flying up to Sunderland.
The fact that flatface is Sunderland gaffer would only make it worse in my bookIt would not surprise me at all if he hasn't swanned off to Sunderland, it's just another sign of how we have fallen when Sunderland is a better option in the eyes of players
Nowt to do with status. IF it happened (and I still can't see it) it would be down to money and the fact he's worked for Bruce before.
It would not surprise me at all if he hasn't swanned off to Sunderland, it's just another sign of how we have fallen when Sunderland is a better option in the eyes of players
Someone just told me he's flying up to Sunderland.
How do you know that irreverent?
Long winded but I have a mate who used to work for Everton (if you check some old posts you will see that I have been in the directors box there etc so I am genuine) . He is a very good pal of a guy high up at Wigan.
The wigan guy told him it was done (bar the medical) when they spoke at 10am this morning.
Therefore I would be astounded!
The fact that flatface is Sunderland gaffer would only make it worse in my bookIt would not surprise me at all if he hasn't swanned off to Sunderland, it's just another sign of how we have fallen when Sunderland is a better option in the eyes of players
Nowt to do with status. IF it happened (and I still can't see it) it would be down to money and the fact he's worked for Bruce before.
How do you know that irreverent?
Long winded but I have a mate who used to work for Everton (if you check some old posts you will see that I have been in the directors box there etc so I am genuine) . He is a very good pal of a guy high up at Wigan.
The wigan guy told him it was done (bar the medical) when they spoke at 10am this morning.
Therefore I would be astounded!
this is the same player that pulled the plug on moving to the shit at the 11th hour though, so would it be a total shock if true? And on McLeish too! It would be shit if he did it to the same bloke twice.
How do you know that irreverent?
Long winded but I have a mate who used to work for Everton (if you check some old posts you will see that I have been in the directors box there etc so I am genuine) . He is a very good pal of a guy high up at Wigan.
The wigan guy told him it was done (bar the medical) when they spoke at 10am this morning.
Therefore I would be astounded!
this is the same player that pulled the plug on moving to the shit at the 11th hour though, so would it be a total shock if true? And on McLeish too! It would be shit if he did it to the same bloke twice.
Only way it breaks down is if he failed the medical.
Sorry to add to this, but I've heard the same thing.
As you might know, I work in online betting, and one of the companies we work with has very close links (as close as they get) with Sunderland, and I've just heard the same thing from our contact there.
Fuck. I've just had a missed call from an 0191 number. I think it's that TV company I did the interview with after we signed Bent.
Seriously i want Paul Faulkner's resignation handed in if this transfer fails.
Funny that not even the SUnderland forums have heard anything either?
Funny that not even the SUnderland forums have heard anything either?
Ah, but they have; they had a couple of very reputable 'ITK's on there earlier in the week who were completely adamant that N'Zogbia would end up at Sunderland. Looks like they were right after all.
Plenty of buzz about this on Twitter, too; it's not often wrong.
This is really bizarre I must say. Twitter generation paranoia.
I'm sorry, if you make an investment of 9million plus, you would expect a CEO of a club to be there? Not watching him play games on Fifa 12, the man is out of his depth and this just proves it.
I'm sorry, if you make an investment of 9million plus, you would expect a CEO of a club to be there? Not watching him play games on Fifa 12, the man is out of his depth and this just proves it.
Shut up fool, it doesn't prove shit.
Nobody on here knows how the deal has panned out, yet it's Faulkner's fault that it may go wrong?
What a load of bolllocks.
More to the point but even if, and it's all if's at the moment but why would he choose Sunderland over us? Surely we would offer higher wages etc
I'm sorry, if you make an investment of 9million plus, you would expect a CEO of a club to be there? Not watching him play games on Fifa 12, the man is out of his depth and this just proves it.
Shut up fool, it doesn't prove shit.
Nobody on here knows how the deal has panned out, yet it's Faulkner's fault that it may go wrong?
What a load of bolllocks.
Faulkner obviously hasn't got a clue what he's doing - he's sat out there in Hong Kong playing the new Fifa game while all this is falling apart around our ears! It's utterly absurd! Everyone knows PES is better.
You know, I don;t want to believe this, but doesn't it add up in certain ways?
1. The delay in agreeing a fee. We thought is was a money issue between us and Wigan, but maybe there was more to it.
2. The delay between the fee being agreed and him coming to us for the medical.
3. The Sunderland stories that just wouldn't die.
4. And he does have previous for this sort of thing.
Faulkner obviously hasn't got a clue what he's doing - he's sat out there in Hong Kong playing the new Fifa game while all this is falling apart around our ears! It's utterly absurd! Everyone knows PES is better.
I'm sorry, if you make an investment of 9million plus, you would expect a CEO of a club to be there? Not watching him play games on Fifa 12, the man is out of his depth and this just proves it.
Shut up fool, it doesn't prove shit.
Nobody on here knows how the deal has panned out, yet it's Faulkner's fault that it may go wrong?
What a load of bolllocks.
Faulkner obviously hasn't got a clue what he's doing - he's sat out there in Hong Kong playing the new Fifa game while all this is falling apart around our ears! It's utterly absurd! Everyone knows PES is better.
faulkners in hong kong? bloody hell whats going on , i thought he was here to tie up the deal?
fee was agreed so talk terms and do the medical dont dither about letting nzogbia stay on holiday just so we can be gazumped-if true its shambolic.
Will you all calm down FFS. You're like a bunch of whimpering little girls. N'Zogbia will sign for us and be unveiled on Monday.
I'm crying with laughter :DI'm sorry, if you make an investment of 9million plus, you would expect a CEO of a club to be there? Not watching him play games on Fifa 12, the man is out of his depth and this just proves it.
Shut up fool, it doesn't prove shit.
Nobody on here knows how the deal has panned out, yet it's Faulkner's fault that it may go wrong?
What a load of bolllocks.
Faulkner obviously hasn't got a clue what he's doing - he's sat out there in Hong Kong playing the new Fifa game while all this is falling apart around our ears! It's utterly absurd! Everyone knows PES is better.
faulkners in hong kong? bloody hell whats going on , i thought he was here to tie up the deal?
fee was agreed so talk terms and do the medical dont dither about letting nzogbia stay on holiday just so we can be gazumped-if true its shambolic.
Here he is, fiddling while Rome burns
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ridiculous-who is running the club ?
Will you all calm down FFS. You're like a bunch of whimpering little girls. N'Zogbia will sign for us and be unveiled on Monday.
You know, I don;t want to believe this, but doesn't it add up in certain ways?
1. The delay in agreeing a fee. We thought is was a money issue between us and Wigan, but maybe there was more to it.
2. The delay between the fee being agreed and him coming to us for the medical.
3. The Sunderland stories that just wouldn't die.
4. And he does have previous for this sort of thing.
Will you all calm down FFS. You're like a bunch of whimpering little girls. N'Zogbia will sign for us and be unveiled on Monday.
boo to you too-stop moaning like a nun with a 12 inch dildo!
I do believe we will complete it as well. Just why the fuck haven't we done it already.
ridiculous-who is running the club ?
You know, I don;t want to believe this, but doesn't it add up in certain ways?
1. The delay in agreeing a fee. We thought is was a money issue between us and Wigan, but maybe there was more to it.
2. The delay between the fee being agreed and him coming to us for the medical.
3. The Sunderland stories that just wouldn't die.
4. And he does have previous for this sort of thing.
1 It was a money issue. They wanted 10 we offered 9. There was a staring contest for a while... Then w agreed on 9.5
2 He was on holiday and arrived back on Thursday.
3 The Sunderland story has legs because people who don't really know anything keep saying they do.
4 It was Birmingham City. Any normal thinking person would have run a mile.
You big girl.
I do believe we will complete it as well. Just why the fuck haven't we done it already.
All the reports I've read this week say the deal is not expected to be completed until next Monday or Tuesday. If the club has said it would be completed by today and such an event had not materialised I would understand this concern.
Word on the street out here in hong kong is that the deal is in the balance.
ridiculous-who is running the club ?
Lord Digby Jones, and he's based himself in the Corner Flag restaurant.
Ok. I just got a text. This is the facts as I have them. Wigan accepted a bid late last night from Sunderland. N'Zogbia and agent still wanted to complete the medical with Villa which was done today. However they didn't want to sign anything until they spoke to Sunderland. Faulkner is massively upset and apparently told them. My mate wasn't sure if or when N'Zogbia is going to travel up but he likely will. He still wants to join us but he needs to hear Sunderland's offer. The money may be better which is a big factor - apparently. Anyway, Villa being away isn't helping matters.
Ok. I just got a text. This is the facts as I have them. Wigan accepted a bid late last night from Sunderland. N'Zogbia and agent still wanted to complete the medical with Villa which was done today. However they didn't want to sign anything until they spoke to Sunderland. Faulkner is massively upset and apparently told them. My mate wasn't sure if or when N'Zogbia is going to travel up but he likely will. He still wants to join us but he needs to hear Sunderland's offer. The money may be better which is a big factor - apparently. Anyway, Villa being away isn't helping matters.
My nephew is at Bodymore heath and N'Zogbia is still their! And all the journo's?? No one heard anything about Sunderland! I'm not saying it's bull just that he is still at villa!
My nephew is at Bodymore heath and N'Zogbia is still their! And all the journo's?? No one heard anything about Sunderland! I'm not saying it's bull just that he is still at villa!
Word on the street out here in hong kong is that the deal is in the balance.
Ok. I just got a text. This is the facts as I have them. Wigan accepted a bid late last night from Sunderland. N'Zogbia and agent still wanted to complete the medical with Villa which was done today. However they didn't want to sign anything until they spoke to Sunderland. Faulkner is massively upset and apparently told them. My mate wasn't sure if or when N'Zogbia is going to travel up but he likely will. He still wants to join us but he needs to hear Sunderland's offer. The money may be better which is a big factor - apparently. Anyway, Villa being away isn't helping matters.
See, it's that bolded bit that irritates me the most, TV. What kind of half-arsed, tin-pot club goes away for pre-season games before the start of the season?
Ridiculous.
Ok. I just got a text. This is the facts as I have them. Wigan accepted a bid late last night from Sunderland. N'Zogbia and agent still wanted to complete the medical with Villa which was done today. However they didn't want to sign anything until they spoke to Sunderland. Faulkner is massively upset and apparently told them. My mate wasn't sure if or when N'Zogbia is going to travel up but he likely will. He still wants to join us but he needs to hear Sunderland's offer. The money may be better which is a big factor - apparently. Anyway, Villa being away isn't helping matters.
See, it's that bolded bit that irritates me the most, TV. What kind of half-arsed, tin-pot club goes away for pre-season games before the start of the season?
Ridiculous.
ridiculous-who is running the club ?
Lord Digby Jones, and he's based himself in the Corner Flag restaurant.
If only!
Are you suggesting Faulkner is basically incompetent?Ok. I just got a text. This is the facts as I have them. Wigan accepted a bid late last night from Sunderland. N'Zogbia and agent still wanted to complete the medical with Villa which was done today. However they didn't want to sign anything until they spoke to Sunderland. Faulkner is massively upset and apparently told them. My mate wasn't sure if or when N'Zogbia is going to travel up but he likely will. He still wants to join us but he needs to hear Sunderland's offer. The money may be better which is a big factor - apparently. Anyway, Villa being away isn't helping matters.
See, it's that bolded bit that irritates me the most, TV. What kind of half-arsed, tin-pot club goes away for pre-season games before the start of the season?
Ridiculous.
I can't believe they've flown all the way to Hong Kong to play FIFA 12. Have they never heard of online gaming?
FFS, Faulkner must go, first we hear that he never puts the milk back in the fridge when he makes a cuppa, now this.
It's beyond a joke.
Fuck. I've just had a missed call from an 0191 number. I think it's that TV company I did the interview with after we signed Bent.Bloody hell Dave,if that means the Fear is on telly again it will boil my piss.Get a work experience to answer your phone you tight arse!
"faulkner is massively upset and has told them so"- as far as im concerned he can blame nobody but himself for the way he goes about things.
Are you suggesting Faulkner is basically incompetent?Ok. I just got a text. This is the facts as I have them. Wigan accepted a bid late last night from Sunderland. N'Zogbia and agent still wanted to complete the medical with Villa which was done today. However they didn't want to sign anything until they spoke to Sunderland. Faulkner is massively upset and apparently told them. My mate wasn't sure if or when N'Zogbia is going to travel up but he likely will. He still wants to join us but he needs to hear Sunderland's offer. The money may be better which is a big factor - apparently. Anyway, Villa being away isn't helping matters.
See, it's that bolded bit that irritates me the most, TV. What kind of half-arsed, tin-pot club goes away for pre-season games before the start of the season?
Ridiculous.
I can't believe they've flown all the way to Hong Kong to play FIFA 12. Have they never heard of online gaming?
FFS, Faulkner must go, first we hear that he never puts the milk back in the fridge when he makes a cuppa, now this.
It's beyond a joke.
"faulkner is massively upset and has told them so"- as far as im concerned he can blame nobody but himself for the way he goes about things.
Have SSN said anytning, eastie?
I can't believe they've flown all the way to Hong Kong to play FIFA 12. Have they never heard of online gaming?
It's beyond a joke.
Faulkner's probably in one of those karaoke bars they love in that Japan (same thing innit), swigging a £9 bottle of lager, off his face while he belts out My Way while all this goes on.
Beyond belief.
There does appear to be conflicting info but if you're defending Faulkner in the event of the deal going south and ridiculing others as bed-wetting moaners, you are in my opinion, being a bit disingenuous to your fellow posters. Unfortunate things keep happening and IF this is true it would trump the other PR blunders that have blighted the past few months.
Faulkner's probably in one of those karaoke bars they love in that Japan (same thing innit), swigging a £9 bottle of lager, off his face while he belts out My Way while all this goes on.
Beyond belief.
I've just seen Faulkner playing snooker in the Chelmsley Wood Conservative club. Halfway through his first game, with a fiver at stake, James Milner rang his mobile and said he's sick of not playing and wants to come back. PF said he'd phone him back at the end of the frame, hung up, cleared the table with an 80 break and held out his hand for his money. His opponent said 'best of three?', and PF agreed, forgetting all about Jimmy.
You couldn't make it up!
I can't believe they've flown all the way to Hong Kong to play FIFA 12. Have they never heard of online gaming?
It's beyond a joke.
What's more, if you look at that pic, you'll see they're using the PS3 with WIRED CONTROLLERS for fuck's sake.
Does anything demonstrate the harsh new fiscal regime better than the fact that our brave boys are being forced to use a console without wireless controllers?
Depressing.
There does appear to be conflicting info but if you're defending Faulkner in the event of the deal going south and ridiculing others as bed-wetting moaners, you are in my opinion, being a bit disingenuous to your fellow posters. Unfortunate things keep happening and IF this is true it would trump the other PR blunders that have blighted the past few months.
There is no conflicting info. The info is that he's had his medical today. The rest is just internet gossip.
Word on the street out here in hong kong is that the deal is in the balance.
I can't believe they've flown all the way to Hong Kong to play FIFA 12. Have they never heard of online gaming?
It's beyond a joke.
What's more, if you look at that pic, you'll see they're using the PS3 with WIRED CONTROLLERS for fuck's sake.
Does anything demonstrate the harsh new fiscal regime better than the fact that our brave boys are being forced to use a console without wireless controllers?
Depressing.
I'm flabbergated. Paulie you have such an eye for detail.
Word on the street out here in hong kong is that the deal is in the balance.
Is that from inside the camp?
I can't believe they've flown all the way to Hong Kong to play FIFA 12. Have they never heard of online gaming?
It's beyond a joke.
What's more, if you look at that pic, you'll see they're using the PS3 with WIRED CONTROLLERS for fuck's sake.
Does anything demonstrate the harsh new fiscal regime better than the fact that our brave boys are being forced to use a console without wireless controllers?
Depressing.
I'm flabbergated. Paulie you have such an eye for detail.
Flabbergated? Is that when Barry Austin gets his phone hacked?
I think we should all calm down a little and see what happens before we point fingers at people. All i'll say is though that if he's over here now and having his medical and agreeing terms, announcing it on Monday is a bit weird.
Faulkner's probably in one of those karaoke bars they love in that Japan (same thing innit), swigging a £9 bottle of lager, off his face while he belts out My Way while all this goes on.
Beyond belief.
I've just seen Faulkner playing snooker in the Chelmsley Wood Conservative club. Halfway through his first game, with a fiver at stake, James Milner rang his mobile and said he's sick of not playing and wants to come back. PF said he'd phone him back at the end of the frame, hung up, cleared the table with an 80 break and held out his hand for his money. His opponent said 'best of three?', and PF agreed, forgetting all about Jimmy.
You couldn't make it up!
To be honest, Percy, the way things are going, the least believable thing in that post is the revelation that there is a Conservative Club in Chelmbo.
Word on the street out here in hong kong is that the deal is in the balance.
Is that from inside the camp?
villadawg could you provide some kind of graphical chart or league table to show how often this has happened and to which clubs in recent years?
Faulkner's probably in one of those karaoke bars they love in that Japan (same thing innit), swigging a £9 bottle of lager, off his face while he belts out My Way while all this goes on.
Beyond belief.
I've just seen Faulkner playing snooker in the Chelmsley Wood Conservative club. Halfway through his first game, with a fiver at stake, James Milner rang his mobile and said he's sick of not playing and wants to come back. PF said he'd phone him back at the end of the frame, hung up, cleared the table with an 80 break and held out his hand for his money. His opponent said 'best of three?', and PF agreed, forgetting all about Jimmy.
You couldn't make it up!
To be honest, Percy, the way things are going, the least believable thing in that post is the revelation that there is a Conservative Club in Chelmbo.
There is. Went in twice about twenty years ago to watch my mate boxing. Boycotting it for the rest of my life though. I can't help thinking that maybe tuppence out of the price of my pint may find it's way to buying electricity for Thatcher's life support machine.
I think we should all calm down a little and see what happens before we point fingers at people. All i'll say is though that if he's over here now and having his medical and agreeing terms, announcing it on Monday is a bit weird.
keep calm clampy, all will be revealed in time , must say some wonderful dry wit on here in the last hour or so -it wouldnt be a total shock to me as every time mcleish has spoken about it hes always said its not signed and sealed and in the back of his mind probably had what happened with nzogbia last year as a nagging doubt.
Faulkner's probably in one of those karaoke bars they love in that Japan (same thing innit), swigging a £9 bottle of lager, off his face while he belts out My Way while all this goes on.
Beyond belief.
I've just seen Faulkner playing snooker in the Chelmsley Wood Conservative club. Halfway through his first game, with a fiver at stake, James Milner rang his mobile and said he's sick of not playing and wants to come back. PF said he'd phone him back at the end of the frame, hung up, cleared the table with an 80 break and held out his hand for his money. His opponent said 'best of three?', and PF agreed, forgetting all about Jimmy.
You couldn't make it up!
To be honest, Percy, the way things are going, the least believable thing in that post is the revelation that there is a Conservative Club in Chelmbo.
There is. Went in twice about twenty years ago to watch my mate boxing. Boycotting it for the rest of my life though. I can't help thinking that maybe tuppence out of the price of my pint may find it's way to buying electricity for Thatcher's life support machine.
FFS our club is falling apart and all you can talk about are Tories and Eastenders!
My mate lives in the North East and has just seen N'Zogbia in the Blythe branch of Matalan. Starting to worry now.
I think we should all calm down a little and see what happens before we point fingers at people. All i'll say is though that if he's over here now and having his medical and agreeing terms, announcing it on Monday is a bit weird.
keep calm clampy, all will be revealed in time , must say some wonderful dry wit on here in the last hour or so -it wouldnt be a total shock to me as every time mcleish has spoken about it hes always said its not signed and sealed and in the back of his mind probably had what happened with nzogbia last year as a nagging doubt.
I'm calm Eastie, i'm just worried for the panicky few who post on here every 5 minutes.
SIGNING COMPLETE GUYS! N'ZOGBIA IS A VILLA PLAYER - FACT!
Its done. Now back to the sovereign debt crisis.
it was one the club site but that seems to have vanished nowIts done. Now back to the sovereign debt crisis.
source?
Welcome Charles.
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Meantime.....
Finally – N’Zogbia signs – Official
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Friday
Jul 2011
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.At last the signing of N’Zogbia has been agreed after a week in which it was certain he would come but never actually officially signed.
Story is on the OS HERE (not actually up yet but the picture of him outside Bodymoor is on there)
So there is no doubt he is Downing’s replacement and sometimes you wonder why we took so long as it was obvious we had to compromise with Whelan. However it is done and that is the main thing and we can finally move on. He has signed a five year contract which is good but I will not pretend I think he is better than Downing or Young but for sure he is the BEST we could realistically aim for and get on limited cash.
Deal will be around £9.5M for him and lets hope he is as good as those two who have left but he is not a winger but more an inside forward. How he will link up with Bent drifting in will be vital to our season and whether the lack of crosses will be compensated by more through balls ?
signing complete
Faulkner is ace.
Even from the other side of the world, and while engrossed in playing video games, he has managed a multi-million pound signing.
well done PF !!
Messi next please Mr Faulkner.
next time your waiting for the 401 in great bridge i'll drive straight past ya :)signing complete
What would you know? Whoever heard of a Villa fan in Tipton anyway?
We've accepted a £10.5m offer from Sunderland for the player and £500 for his medical report and he's on his way up there to discuss terms.
Welcome Charles.
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Ah fuck. I was really hoping this lasted beyond page 80. Damn you Villa!!!!!!!
It was a good laugh while it lasted. Cheers everyone!!
We've accepted a £10.5m offer from Sunderland for the player and £500 for his medical report and he's on his way up there to discuss terms.
Ah fuck. I was really hoping this lasted beyond page 80. Damn you Villa!!!!!!!
It was a good laugh while it lasted. Cheers everyone!!
you fooled nobody toronto , we were just playing along with your gane to pass the time until the deal was announced - well done though , great wit from many and enjoyable banter.
Welcome Charles.
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Steve Bruce sure is playing this beautifully. Sunderland are in the driving seat. Any moment now ........
next time your waiting for the 401 in great bridge i'll drive straight past ya :)signing complete
What would you know? Whoever heard of a Villa fan in Tipton anyway?
Welcome aboard Charlie!
ridiculous-who is running the club ?
signing complete
What would you know? Whoever heard of a Villa fan in Tipton anyway?
ridiculous-who is running the club ?
Giggity Giggity!
Welcome to VP Charlie. You could have smiled in your picture though, miserable bugger.
Is that Charles on the Season Ticket and Balckburn offer adverts on the OS ?
Good signing. Better than Downing by some way IMO. He's also got as much potential as Ashley Young too. I hope with us Charlie can kick on and have at least, the same sort of impact on our side as Ash did 2-3 years back. I worry about his head being turned a year down the line, but never mind. We'll enjoy watching him play whilst he is here. At the price we paid, we can at least make a good wedge of money on him, because 9.5mill in todays market for someone this good is a snip.
One would hope that toronto's little game might calm down a few of the more excitable, gossip-obsessed posters and maybe teach them not to believe every little rumour that is posted.
That might be a vain hope though.
Ah fuck. I was really hoping this lasted beyond page 80. Damn you Villa!!!!!!!
It was a good laugh while it lasted. Cheers everyone!!
you fooled nobody toronto , we were just playing along with your gane to pass the time until the deal was announced - well done though , great wit from many and enjoyable banter.
Nice try Toronto. My source was impeccable though!
Nice try Toronto. My source was impeccable though!
My source was my imaginary mate from Telford who works at the Echo. It's fun having ITK's.
Toronto Villa, have many relatives over in Toronto haha your card is marked :)! Was well annoyed!!
Great signing. He'll provide us with some top entertainment this season. I'm getting some movement in my loins just thinking about the damage he will do alongside Bent, Gabby and Ireland. Welcome to Villa Charlie and good luck!
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"This material feels cheap, and the colour will go after two washes. I'm not buying one"
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Not happy about those piss heads in the yellow kagools relieving themselves after a session in the Dog & Doublet.
Time will tell if he is as good and with the faint ringing of something similar last summer in my ears:
We've come out of the N'Zogbia/Downing arrangement very well haven't we?
Toronto Villa, have many relatives over in Toronto haha your card is marked :)! Was well annoyed!!
I'm just sellotaping my season card together. I was going to run on the pitch against Blackburn and throw the pieces in the general direction of Paul Faulkner.
Ah fuck. I was really hoping this lasted beyond page 80. Damn you Villa!!!!!!!
It was a good laugh while it lasted. Cheers everyone!!
And to think - this time last week there were those amongst us who were demanding we pay the extra million.
I'm just sellotaping my season card together. I was going to run on the pitch against Blackburn and throw the pieces in the general direction of Paul Faulkner.
Brilliant mate really did laugh out loud at that comment. ;D I was a bit worried myself about those comments earlier and was willing to shove that game controller where the sun doesn't shine!
Faulkner's probably in one of those karaoke bars they love in that Japan (same thing innit), swigging a £9 bottle of lager, off his face while he belts out My Way while all this goes on.
Beyond belief.
I've just seen Faulkner playing snooker in the Chelmsley Wood Conservative club. Halfway through his first game, with a fiver at stake, James Milner rang his mobile and said he's sick of not playing and wants to come back. PF said he'd phone him back at the end of the frame, hung up, cleared the table with an 80 break and held out his hand for his money. His opponent said 'best of three?', and PF agreed, forgetting all about Jimmy.
You couldn't make it up!
Either this is the text book internet wind-up (I know people on here wouldn't do this) or somebody (who is french) has been fucking us about and another somebody (who we'll call Raul Bulkner) has fucked up. Again.
If this has been allowed to happen I think Raul should walk.
Nzogbia will be as inspirational as AY. He is better at free kicks and has more pace and dribbling ability. Still think Mcleish will be looking for a tricky player on the right to either be first choice or assist Albrighton. Loans maybe an option but i am sure Lerner is going to back him further .........
Some of the garbage Sunderland fans have come out with during this whole period has been hilarious.
Some of the garbage Sunderland fans have come out with during this whole period has been hilarious.
Fuck Sunderland, the most concerning thing about this transfer has been the lack of respectful username changes compared to the Bent signing aftermath.How do you change it ?
Disappointing.
Profile -> account settingsThanks
*sprinkles magic dust*
*sprinkles magic dust*
Ok, can i have N'Clampy please?Done
Ok, can i have N'Clampy please?Done
I want to be ZoggyAlways.If anyone can change on my behalf I would be grateful :)Cheers Paulie :)
PercyN'thehood pleaseSurely that should be PercyN`theWood.
Can I be Charles N'Cooper?
Can I be Charles N'Cooper?
Can I be Charles N'Cooper?
Chas N'Dave Cooper would be better.
PercyN'thehood pleaseSurely that should be PercyN`theWood.
has he signed yet ?
Fucking hilarious i must say.
According to an interview he's done on French Radio, he says that his transfer to Aston Villa is not done yet.
According to an interview he's done on French Radio, he says that his transfer to Aston Villa is not done yet.
Is this you doing your impression of Eastie with his nine days old "Titus Bramble says CNZ wants to go to Sunderland" story?
According to an interview he's done on French Radio, he says that his transfer to Aston Villa is not done yet.
Is this you doing your impression of Eastie with his nine days old "Titus Bramble says CNZ wants to go to Sunderland" story?
Yes, it's ridiculous, who is running the club?
That's quite a good one, Greg.
Can I be Charles N'Cooper?
Chas N'Dave Cooper would be better.
Can I be Charles N'Cooper?
Chas N'Dave Cooper would be better.
Oh, thanks a bunch!
Well, there ain't no pleasing me.
Can I be Charles N'Cooper?
Chas N'Dave Cooper would be better.
Oh, thanks a bunch!
Well, there ain't no pleasing me.
Why don't you give it a rest?
I thought I'd join in the fun, but can't seem to change my name.
If any mods are reading this, could I have John M'Zog, please?
N'grateful Kuntz please, por favor!
N'grateful Kuntz please, por favor!
Wind your N'Eck in. ;)
N'grateful Kuntz please, por favor!
Wind your N'Eck in. ;)
Is that a Charlie joke or a McLeish one?
Can I be Villan Zog Life please?
Thanks!
So.... if he really HASN"T really signed yet are you all gonna change your n'names back?
I like mine too - simple, conventional and ludicrous.
I like mine too - simple, conventional and ludicrous.
Who were you again?
I like mine too - simple, conventional and ludicrous.
Who were you again?
The Kippax. I remember you, you used to throw people downstairs in Edwards didnt you?
Can I be briaN'Zogreen please
Feeling left out here, can I change mine to WillyN'Wombat please?
Feeling left out here, can I change mine to WillyN'Wombat please?
Come on. Wills N'Wombia surely?