Aston Villa sign Charles N'Zogbia (Reply#1151)

[Rick_avfc]

Apparently, from reports in the press, Wigan want £12m for him not £10m as first reported.  We have bid £9m as thats what we value the player as considering he is in the final year of his contract and that the same bid was accepted last season.  DW is being an arsehole IMO.  I believe he is moving the goal posts and delaying things as he wants more than what Nzogbia is worth (being in the final year of his contract).  If Nzogbia still had 2 years left like Downing did, then yes, I would understand DW's stance but at the mo, he is being stupid.

[VillaAlways]

Apparently, from reports in the press, Wigan want £12m for him not £10m as first reported.  We have bid £9m as thats what we value the player as considering he is in the final year of his contract and that the same bid was accepted last season.  DW is being an arsehole IMO.  I believe he is moving the goal posts and delaying things as he wants more than what Nzogbia is worth (being in the final year of his contract).  If Nzogbia still had 2 years left like Downing did, then yes, I would understand DW's stance but at the mo, he is being stupid.

Not to mention Downing being an England International puts the price up

[Clampy]

If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.

disagree,
 i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
 if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.

he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan

to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works

If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?

Must admit, that Mars Bars analogy is ridiculous. £9m is a bit different from 50p.

[tarzansbrother]

If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.

disagree,
 i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
 if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.

he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan

to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works

If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?

Must admit, that Mars Bars analogy is ridiculous. £9m is a bit different from 50p.

It's not just the fee tho is it. Agent fees,taxes,signing on fees etc etc. Yes they are doing to us what we did to the dippers with Downing but the fee was £9m, then £10m, now £12m is appearing. The player needs to sort this and has started already.

[SHEPS]

If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.

disagree,
 i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
 if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.

he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan

to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works

If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?

Must admit, that Mars Bars analogy is ridiculous. £9m is a bit different from 50p.

Tongue in cheek, yes, but its 10% less than the asking price.  Analogies don't need to be absolute.

[SHEPS]

Apparently, from reports in the press, Wigan want £12m for him not £10m as first reported.  We have bid £9m as thats what we value the player as considering he is in the final year of his contract and that the same bid was accepted last season.  DW is being an arsehole IMO.  I believe he is moving the goal posts and delaying things as he wants more than what Nzogbia is worth (being in the final year of his contract).  If Nzogbia still had 2 years left like Downing did, then yes, I would understand DW's stance but at the mo, he is being stupid.

If that's true then I'd agree, but I seriously doubt Whelan is going to set a new price when he's done his best to make it public its £10m on several occasions in the past week.
IMO its just the press making a meal of this because the transfer season has hit a lull over the past few days and they like to take the piss out of villa over what has happened this summer already

[Concrete John]

If it's right he wants £12m, then how does this play into his statement previosuly that 'the price is £10m'?  I want the player and we do need him, but NOBODY fucks us around twice.

Whelan can go fuck himself of the roof of the nearest JJB store.

[Rick_avfc]

If it's right he wants £12m, then how does this play into his statement previosuly that 'the price is £10m'?  I want the player and we do need him, but NOBODY fucks us around twice.

Whelan cn go fuck himself of the roof of the nearest JJB store.

I agree!  Villa cant be held to ransom especially if we are operating on a tight budget

[Greg N'Ash]

Wigan can charge what they like - he's their player and if they want to up it they can. No different from us willing to flog Barry for pennies during DOL's time. Should we have stuck to that amount when Liverpool came calling? nah....

[Mazrim]

If it's right he wants £12m, then how does this play into his statement previosuly that 'the price is £10m'?  I want the player and we do need him, but NOBODY fucks us around twice.

Whelan can go fuck himself of the roof of the nearest JJB store.

Agreed.

[Clampy]

If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.

disagree,
 i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
 if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.

he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan

to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works

If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?

Must admit, that Mars Bars analogy is ridiculous. £9m is a bit different from 50p.

Tongue in cheek, yes, but its 10% less than the asking price.  Analogies don't need to be absolute.

No, but they could be more realistic. The shopkeeper has plenty of other Mars Bars lying underneath the one you want and no doubt another box of them in the store room. Wigan have only got one Charles N'Zogbia to sell.

[Rick_avfc]

Wigan can charge what they like - he's their player and if they want to up it they can. No different from us willing to flog Barry for pennies during DOL's time. Should we have stuck to that amount when Liverpool came calling? nah....

Difference was Barry was NOT in the last year of his contract nor did we previosuly accept a bid for him the previous season just like Wigan have done in the Nzogbia case.  Last season, blues had a bid of £9m accepted and we have bd the same with the player into his final yr of the contract.  No way is he worth £12m with one yr to go.  If he had another season then yes, Wigan have a case and can up the price.  DW is just trying to be too greedy now and wants to start some sort of bidding war.
 

[Concrete John]

Wigan can charge what they like - he's their player and if they want to up it they can. No different from us willing to flog Barry for pennies during DOL's time. Should we have stuck to that amount when Liverpool came calling? nah....

Big difference between the price of a player changing over a period of years as his game develops and improves to the space of a few days/weeks where a ball hasn't been kicked.

But he can ask what he wants, and we can tell him to stick it up his poo pipe, which I'm increasingly thinking we should do. 

[Greg N'Ash]

Wigan can charge what they like - he's their player and if they want to up it they can. No different from us willing to flog Barry for pennies during DOL's time. Should we have stuck to that amount when Liverpool came calling? nah....

Difference was Barry was NOT in the last year of his contract nor did we previosuly accept a bid for him the previous season just like Wigan have done in the Nzogbia case.  Last season, blues had a bid of £9m accepted and we have bd the same with the player into his final yr of the contract.  No way is he worth £12m with one yr to go.  If he had another season then yes, Wigan have a case and can up the price.  DW is just trying to be too greedy now and wants to start some sort of bidding war.
 

Of course they're trying to be greedy. Doesn't help that we've recently pocketed the Downing money and they want a wedge of that. As i said at the time, there was no need to force through the Downing deal till we had a replacement. Liverpool could have waited a week or so, but such are the ways of our fuckwit board.

[SHEPS]

If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.

disagree,
 i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
 if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.

he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan

to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works

If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?

Must admit, that Mars Bars analogy is ridiculous. £9m is a bit different from 50p.

Tongue in cheek, yes, but its 10% less than the asking price.  Analogies don't need to be absolute.

No, but they could be more realistic. The shopkeeper has plenty of other Mars Bars lying underneath the one you want and no doubt another box of them in the store room. Wigan have only got one Charles N'Zogbia to sell.

Whatever.  Without wanting to encourage another analogy of salesmen v football transfer dealings, my point is that fucking around at the margin on a deal is pointless and risky.  If any of my sales guys fuck around haggling at the margin (and the deal still works) and ultimately lose a deal because of it then I'd show them the door without hesitation.