Aston Villa sign Charles N'Zogbia (Reply#1151)

[VillaAlways]

Arsenal have been linked with a £10,000,000 bid for Jagielka so lets hope we up the bid soon

[SHEPS]

FFS I cant understand why we don't just pay up the £1m to get the fella.  Its not like £1m in todays football world is a lot of money (except obviously for Wigan).  In my opinion we got £10m more than Downing was worth so why not just reinvest  1/10th of that to get a player that we badly need?

Delaying this farce is only going to damage Villa's opportunity to get him - the more we piss around the more opportunity other will come the the table.  Take out the friggin emotion, tactics, etc and get the job done Villa.  If Zog is interested to come to Villa, what must he be thinking? They obviously dont want me to come THAT badly if they are holding out at the margin?

Whelan has every right to ask for £10m.  Its a reasonable price in today's market.  He's a wily old fox.  So what if he was valued at £9m last year?  That was before Liverpool & Manure overinflated the domestic market with ridiculous valuations of "reasonable" but experienced PL players.

[UsualSuspect]

FFS I cant understand why we don't just pay up the £1m to get the fella.  Its not like £1m in todays football world is a lot of money (except obviously for Wigan).  In my opinion we got £10m more than Downing was worth so why not just reinvest  1/10th of that to get a player that we badly need?

Delaying this farce is only going to damage Villa's opportunity to get him - the more we piss around the more opportunity other will come the the table.  Take out the friggin emotion, tactics, etc and get the job done Villa.  If Zog is interested to come to Villa, what must he be thinking? They obviously dont want me to come THAT badly if they are holding out at the margin?

Whelan has every right to ask for £10m.  Its a reasonable price in today's market.  He's a wily old fox.  So what if he was valued at £9m last year?  That was before Liverpool & Manure overinflated the domestic market with ridiculous valuations of "reasonable" but experienced PL players.

Exactly

[themossman]

To be honest I think the idea that a delay equals increased chance of the deal getting hijacked are overblown. If another club want him and have enough money to put a better bid in they will do it at whetever point in the window it happens. If we miss out on a player because we are trying to be clever and it backfires I will be as annoyed as anyone, but that hasn't happened yet.

[PaulTheVillan]

If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.

[SHEPS]

To be honest I think the idea that a delay equals increased chance of the deal getting hijacked are overblown. If another club want him and have enough money to put a better bid in they will do it at whetever point in the window it happens. If we miss out on a player because we are trying to be clever and it backfires I will be as annoyed as anyone, but that hasn't happened yet.

Agreed, but not when other potentially interested parties (we don't know for sure but presumably there are some) are sorting their squads out and getting rid of excess, fringe, unwanted players to free up a transfer and wage budget to be in a position to bid. Strike while the iron is hot and whilst other's cant match it now.  It may be that they can in a couple of weeks.

[UsualSuspect]

Seeing how we paid 8.5 million for NRC and let him leave for nothing, seeing as habib Beye will cost us 8 million, seeing as we have paid 10 odd million in comensation, fucking about over a million makes us look stupid.

As if trying to save a million quid makes us "look good at business and that"

[john e]

If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.

disagree,
 i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
 if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.

he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan

to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works

[Phil from the upper holte]

A bit like Liverpool did with Downing John?

[pauliewalnuts]

Seeing how we paid 8.5 million for NRC and let him leave for nothing, seeing as habib Beye will cost us 8 million, seeing as we have paid 10 odd million in comensation, fucking about over a million makes us look stupid.

As if trying to save a million quid makes us "look good at business and that"

Or looked at another way.

Seeing how we paid 8.5 million for NRC and let him leave for nothing, seeing as habib Beye will cost us 8 million, seeing as we have paid 10 odd million in comensation, we need to be a bit more careful with money.

[*shellac*]

How much did Wigan signed him from Newcastle?

[pauliewalnuts]

How much did Wigan signed him from Newcastle?

3.5m I think

[SHEPS]

If we would have just bid the £10m from the start then he'd be already settling in & flying out with us to HK on the weekend.

disagree,
 i've been in sales all my life, and you never bid the full monty straight away,
 if we had done that, we would be haggling with Whelan over upping the bid to 12 mill, show your hand at the beggining and you will get fleeced by a true expert such as Whelan
if we will pay 10 mill, get a agreement first then do the deal, but dont bid willy nilly because Whelan will just keep putting the price up, like he has done already.

he's good very good, i like him, he battles for his little club surrounded by the big boys on either side, and they have been in the prem against all odds for a few years now, a lot of it down to shrewd buisiness done by Whelan

to say we would have him here if we had just punted up 10 mill straight away is way of the mark, and shows people have no idea the way a sales negotiation works

I take your point, but Whelan has made it very clear in public the price is £10m.  Not a penny less.  Hes strikes me as a kind of guy that takes no shit and fair play to him.  So what's the point in going in lower only for him to reconfirm the price is still £10m (a massive £1m more than we bid), wasting time and opening the opportunity for other to potentially come to the table?

If I go to a shop and want a Mars bar and it has a price of 50p clearly labelled do I offer the shopkeeper 45p and hold out until he accepts my price because the sell by date is in 12 months time?

[UsualSuspect]

Seeing how we paid 8.5 million for NRC and let him leave for nothing, seeing as habib Beye will cost us 8 million, seeing as we have paid 10 odd million in comensation, fucking about over a million makes us look stupid.

As if trying to save a million quid makes us "look good at business and that"

Or looked at another way.

Seeing how we paid 8.5 million for NRC and let him leave for nothing, seeing as habib Beye will cost us 8 million, seeing as we have paid 10 odd million in comensation, we need to be a bit more careful with money.

A bit like closing the gate after the horse has bolted.

1 million quid and it would settle everyone's nerves, would be good for morale, he could have been training with the club for a week already.

If we don't sign him and end up with SWP and a million in the bank would that be good?

[pauliewalnuts]

If we don't sign him and end up with SWP and a million in the bank would that be good?

No, it wouldn't, and I too would be fucking annoyed if we missed out on him, but what I am saying is that the manager clearly wants the player too, and the club aren't just rolling over and handing over the dosh, so I understand why they are taking this approach.

That doesn't mean I am going to be happy if we wind up with SWP.