I posted this elsewhere but take a look at this list and ask yourself what the hell were we thinking..Habib Beye, 31 years old, fee £2.5m, 3 year contract, £40k wagesEmile Heskey, 31 years old, fee £3.5m, 3 and a half year contract, £65k wagesStiliyan Petrov, 29 year old, contract extension, 4 year contract, £55k wagesRichard Dunne, 29 years old, fee £6m, 4 year contract, £50k wagesThe age refers to the age of signing, sadly not their current age. Now who is going to take them off our hands and why the hell would they want to leave for less money?
Quote from: Mark Kelly on July 14, 2011, 02:41:02 PMI posted this elsewhere but take a look at this list and ask yourself what the hell were we thinking..Habib Beye, 31 years old, fee £2.5m, 3 year contract, £40k wagesEmile Heskey, 31 years old, fee £3.5m, 3 and a half year contract, £65k wagesStiliyan Petrov, 29 year old, contract extension, 4 year contract, £55k wagesRichard Dunne, 29 years old, fee £6m, 4 year contract, £50k wagesThe age refers to the age of signing, sadly not their current age. Now who is going to take them off our hands and why the hell would they want to leave for less money?So much for all the nonsense that used to get trotted out during O'Neill's reign about Villa doing things 'the right way'.
John, it's not what they cost but the ridiculous length of the contracts and the wages we put them on.As I mentioned yesterday, Spurs captain Michael Dawson has been on £30k and they've just offered him a £5k increase and he's only 27. We seemed to have thrown money and lengthy contracts around to players with zero sell on value, like it was going out of fashion. The way I see it, the last 5 years have been a complete and utter waste of time and money. Now we are paying the price.
Quote from: Villadawg on July 14, 2011, 02:55:58 PMQuote from: Mark Kelly on July 14, 2011, 02:41:02 PMQuote from: D.boy on July 14, 2011, 08:07:41 AMWe can't compete with the top clubs on a financial level (stupid high wages) so will have to look at developing younger players (ie Ashley Young) and eventually they move on. Your balancing the books comment is right and until we get rid of the mediocre players MON purchased on long contracts/£40,000+ per week this will hold us back. Once those players have gone I hope we get some fresh homegrown or purchased youngsters in and build a team. I think we can expect better than just "fresh homegrown or purchased youngsters" but only when the wage bill has been put in order. Since Lerner took over we've been wreckless instead of ruthless with some of our signings. The problem is now we're stuck with players that earn a fortune and we can't move on, so we have to keep paying them which is draining the club financially.I posted this elsewhere but take a look at this list and ask yourself what the hell were we thinking..Habib Beye, 31 years old, fee £2.5m, 3 year contract, £40k wagesEmile Heskey, 31 years old, fee £3.5m, 3 and a half year contract, £65k wagesStiliyan Petrov, 29 year old, contract extension, 4 year contract, £55k wagesRichard Dunne, 29 years old, fee £6m, 4 year contract, £50k wagesThe age refers to the age of signing, sadly not their current age. Now who is going to take them off our hands and why the hell would they want to leave for less money?Which clubs don't have players aged 30+ on PL wages?At least get the question right: Which clubs don't sign players aged 30+ on PL wages and 4 year contracts?
Quote from: Mark Kelly on July 14, 2011, 02:41:02 PMQuote from: D.boy on July 14, 2011, 08:07:41 AMWe can't compete with the top clubs on a financial level (stupid high wages) so will have to look at developing younger players (ie Ashley Young) and eventually they move on. Your balancing the books comment is right and until we get rid of the mediocre players MON purchased on long contracts/£40,000+ per week this will hold us back. Once those players have gone I hope we get some fresh homegrown or purchased youngsters in and build a team. I think we can expect better than just "fresh homegrown or purchased youngsters" but only when the wage bill has been put in order. Since Lerner took over we've been wreckless instead of ruthless with some of our signings. The problem is now we're stuck with players that earn a fortune and we can't move on, so we have to keep paying them which is draining the club financially.I posted this elsewhere but take a look at this list and ask yourself what the hell were we thinking..Habib Beye, 31 years old, fee £2.5m, 3 year contract, £40k wagesEmile Heskey, 31 years old, fee £3.5m, 3 and a half year contract, £65k wagesStiliyan Petrov, 29 year old, contract extension, 4 year contract, £55k wagesRichard Dunne, 29 years old, fee £6m, 4 year contract, £50k wagesThe age refers to the age of signing, sadly not their current age. Now who is going to take them off our hands and why the hell would they want to leave for less money?Which clubs don't have players aged 30+ on PL wages?
Quote from: D.boy on July 14, 2011, 08:07:41 AMWe can't compete with the top clubs on a financial level (stupid high wages) so will have to look at developing younger players (ie Ashley Young) and eventually they move on. Your balancing the books comment is right and until we get rid of the mediocre players MON purchased on long contracts/£40,000+ per week this will hold us back. Once those players have gone I hope we get some fresh homegrown or purchased youngsters in and build a team. I think we can expect better than just "fresh homegrown or purchased youngsters" but only when the wage bill has been put in order. Since Lerner took over we've been wreckless instead of ruthless with some of our signings. The problem is now we're stuck with players that earn a fortune and we can't move on, so we have to keep paying them which is draining the club financially.I posted this elsewhere but take a look at this list and ask yourself what the hell were we thinking..Habib Beye, 31 years old, fee £2.5m, 3 year contract, £40k wagesEmile Heskey, 31 years old, fee £3.5m, 3 and a half year contract, £65k wagesStiliyan Petrov, 29 year old, contract extension, 4 year contract, £55k wagesRichard Dunne, 29 years old, fee £6m, 4 year contract, £50k wagesThe age refers to the age of signing, sadly not their current age. Now who is going to take them off our hands and why the hell would they want to leave for less money?
We can't compete with the top clubs on a financial level (stupid high wages) so will have to look at developing younger players (ie Ashley Young) and eventually they move on. Your balancing the books comment is right and until we get rid of the mediocre players MON purchased on long contracts/£40,000+ per week this will hold us back. Once those players have gone I hope we get some fresh homegrown or purchased youngsters in and build a team.
Technically, your question excludes Petrov (27 when signed), Dunne (29) and Heskey (3.5 year contract), so I'm not sure it is more "right" than my question. Perhaps you can come up with a question or statement that fits the point you're trying to make.
Quote from: Villadawg on July 14, 2011, 03:32:29 PMTechnically, your question excludes Petrov (27 when signed), Dunne (29) and Heskey (3.5 year contract), so I'm not sure it is more "right" than my question. Perhaps you can come up with a question or statement that fits the point you're trying to make. You're right, technically, I should have extended it to '29 year olds plus with 3 to 4 year contracts on stupid wages'. However the point still stands. Add to that, Petrov was 29 not 27 when given a four year extension, in fact he was 6 weeks off being 30.Which clubs don't sign players aged 29+ on PL wages and 3 to 4 year contracts?
The Heskey and Beye wages defy belief.What were O'Neill and Mr Lerner Sir thinking?
Quote from: Mark Kelly on July 14, 2011, 03:50:15 PMQuote from: Villadawg on July 14, 2011, 03:32:29 PMTechnically, your question excludes Petrov (27 when signed), Dunne (29) and Heskey (3.5 year contract), so I'm not sure it is more "right" than my question. Perhaps you can come up with a question or statement that fits the point you're trying to make. You're right, technically, I should have extended it to '29 year olds plus with 3 to 4 year contracts on stupid wages'. However the point still stands. Add to that, Petrov was 29 not 27 when given a four year extension, in fact he was 6 weeks off being 30.Which clubs don't sign players aged 29+ on PL wages and 3 to 4 year contracts?Good question, I can only think of Arsenal and they've probably done it once or twice.
Quote from: Rip Van Bentfletch on July 14, 2011, 04:07:48 PMThe Heskey and Beye wages defy belief.What were O'Neill and Mr Lerner Sir thinking?Heskey was going to get us into the Champions league, remember?
Without reading it (I don't think I have the will!), this is another "The board, the manager and everything at Villa is shit" thread isn't it?Same people on both sides, same arguments we've had for weeks?Please confirm then I don't have to bother with it.
Quote from: Villadawg on July 14, 2011, 03:52:58 PMQuote from: Mark Kelly on July 14, 2011, 03:50:15 PMQuote from: Villadawg on July 14, 2011, 03:32:29 PMTechnically, your question excludes Petrov (27 when signed), Dunne (29) and Heskey (3.5 year contract), so I'm not sure it is more "right" than my question. Perhaps you can come up with a question or statement that fits the point you're trying to make. You're right, technically, I should have extended it to '29 year olds plus with 3 to 4 year contracts on stupid wages'. However the point still stands. Add to that, Petrov was 29 not 27 when given a four year extension, in fact he was 6 weeks off being 30.Which clubs don't sign players aged 29+ on PL wages and 3 to 4 year contracts?Good question, I can only think of Arsenal and they've probably done it once or twice. Again, technically you're right, as I haven't excluded goalkeepers but I'm struggling to think of aging players that are given lengthy contracts on high wages. Closest I can get is 30 year old Michael Owen at Man Utd on a two year contract and Newcastle signing 45 year old Obafemi Martins on a 4 year contract.
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