Randys Reaction

[cheltenhamlion]

He won't walk but a few points. I have found myself toughening my position against the screamers over the last couple of days so lord only knows what Randy makes of it.

If these protests have done nothing else it is to ensure that the board will not be so accommodating to the fans in future.

[hawkeye]

The reason for the reaction is that it comes on the back of a season gaffes, bust ups and blow outs. Its not just the appointment of AM its the amaturish way we have gone about replacing GH. We need an appointment to steady the ship and get everyone back on side and looking forward to the new season. This appointment will achieve the opposite.I dont give a monkeys about him coming from the other lot. I do care that we are going down the road of hoofball with a bloke whose managerial track record in the PL is shot.
Add to this the fact that any failure on the pitch will put a pressure on the team which will be counter productive.
This just does not make any sense.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Would it be true to say McAllister's record in the premiership is better than Big Eck's?

[ktvillan]

He may well decide enough is enough but my reaction to that will depend on who succeeds him.  I want an owner that is ambitious and  wants the very best for Villa, and is willing to go for it.  I thought RL was that man until recently, but the type of manager he has been looking at indicates that he probably isn't.  Either that or he just doesn;t know what he is doing.

[willywombat]

He may well decide enough is enough but my reaction to that will depend on who succeeds him.  I want an owner that is ambitious and  wants the very best for Villa, and is willing to go for it.  I thought RL was that man until recently, but the type of manager he has been looking at indicates that he probably isn't.  Either that or he just doesn;t know what he is doing.

Or maybe he realises he hasn't got quite enough money to compete with the arabs etc and isn't prepared to gamble the future of the club on a vain attempt to buy CL football?

[garyfouroaks]

The reason for the reaction is that it comes on the back of a season gaffes, bust ups and blow outs. Its not just the appointment of AM its the amaturish way we have gone about replacing GH. We need an appointment to steady the ship and get everyone back on side and looking forward to the new season. This appointment will achieve the opposite.I dont give a monkeys about him coming from the other lot. I do care that we are going down the road of hoofball with a bloke whose managerial track record in the PL is shot.Add to this the fact that any failure on the pitch will put a pressure on the team which will be counter productive.This just does not make any sense.

I agree. the Blues connection is way down the list for virtually everyone I know.

Any managerial appointment is a statement.Houllier's credentials with his achievements in France and being one of only three managers in the history of the English game to secure a senior treble were a matter of record.MON's record was clear too.

Mcleish's credentials appear to be that he won't make too much fuss about transfer funds .McLarens football achievements and experience are far more impressive - yet he is now at Forest. And how Frank Rihkaard is not in the frame is beyond me.

[pauliewalnuts]

He may well decide enough is enough but my reaction to that will depend on who succeeds him.  I want an owner that is ambitious and  wants the very best for Villa, and is willing to go for it.  I thought RL was that man until recently, but the type of manager he has been looking at indicates that he probably isn't.  Either that or he just doesn;t know what he is doing.

Or maybe he realises he hasn't got quite enough money to compete with the arabs etc and isn't prepared to gamble the future of the club on a vain attempt to buy CL football?

Even if he decides that, he still needs to protect the investment he has already made in the club - it isn't just about not spending any more money, what about the 200m or whatever it is he has ploughed in already?

If that's the case, he's still going to want to get the best out of the side that he can. Each PL place adds a chunk of cash. So do Sky live appearances. There isn't going to be too much of either of those if things go badly.

[ktvillan]

You know, I'm pretty sure that some of the people currently having a pop at Randy were the same people who jumped on any negativity a couple of years back with the same "I wonder why Randy bothers" line we are seeing here.

Strange times.

Not strange, just different times.  Two years ago RL seemed to be getting most things right on and off the pitch, thus criticism was less justified.  Like many said though, the real test would come when we hit a difficult patch, not when things werer sailing along nicely.  I have certainly changed my opinion of RL since then,  having watched the almost comical way he has handled the appointment of managers. And not for the better. 

[DB]

He won't walk but a few points. I have found myself toughening my position against the screamers over the last couple of days so lord only knows what Randy makes of it.

If these protests have done nothing else it is to ensure that the board will not be so accommodating to the fans in future.


Yes, we cannot upset Randy.

[ktvillan]

He may well decide enough is enough but my reaction to that will depend on who succeeds him.  I want an owner that is ambitious and  wants the very best for Villa, and is willing to go for it.  I thought RL was that man until recently, but the type of manager he has been looking at indicates that he probably isn't.  Either that or he just doesn;t know what he is doing.

Or maybe he realises he hasn't got quite enough money to compete with the arabs etc and isn't prepared to gamble the future of the club on a vain attempt to buy CL football?

Yes maybe he has realised that.  And that's what is so depressing after being sold the dream of CL and "bright futre" 5 years ago.   And maybe that has something to do with a lot of people saying they'll have had enough should AM be hired.

[UsualSuspect]

I think if RL got a decent offer (god knows what that is) tomorrow he would walk.

He's spent 200 million plus and is never going to be in position to take money out of Club so it's just going to keep on digging into his pockets. My appointing AM he is giving up all hope of us ever challenging for the top 4

[ROBBO]

I dont think McLaren was not interviewed because of supporter response i think he was not interviewed because McCleish had already been tapped up. I can't stand this Randy loves Villa chant, if he loved Villa as most of us do he wouldn't we wouldn't be getting AM. We are the most unsettled as a club and playing staff i can remember.

[willywombat]

He may well decide enough is enough but my reaction to that will depend on who succeeds him.  I want an owner that is ambitious and  wants the very best for Villa, and is willing to go for it.  I thought RL was that man until recently, but the type of manager he has been looking at indicates that he probably isn't.  Either that or he just doesn;t know what he is doing.

Or maybe he realises he hasn't got quite enough money to compete with the arabs etc and isn't prepared to gamble the future of the club on a vain attempt to buy CL football?

Yes maybe he has realised that.  And that's what is so depressing after being sold the dream of CL and "bright futre" 5 years ago.   And maybe that has something to do with a lot of people saying they'll have had enough should AM be hired.

In fairness I dont think anyone foresaw Abu Dhabi throwing a very expensive spanner in the works 5 years ago. That being said I see no point in looking at worst case scenarios and accepting that is going to happen. AM may be the new Ron Saunders who wasnt exactly first on most supporters list when Vic Crowe got the bums rush

[Locko]

London, Manchester, and Liverpool are awash with successful, competative football clubs.

Unfortunatey we live in Birmingham a city that's managed one League Championship in 100 years.

Clearly it's down to Aston Villa to give the people of Birmingham something to shout about, but I think it's fairly clear now that with Randy Lerner as owner  we'll do no more than tread water.

 

THis precisely. THe appointment of shit like AM confirns to me Lerner has neither the wherewithal or nous to nmake a real go of it; as such he should f*ck off and take his lickspittle lackies with hinm and sell to someoene who can put us in a position to really compete. From day one he's been riding the baloney pony - fed us all shovels full of horseshit which we gullibly swallowed down  after enduring Ellis's tenure. In short we were duped. Most Browns fans as far as my undertanding goes wouldn't piss on Lerner if he was on fire. I'm now beginning to understand why....

[John Mitchell]

A few have said they will back him or any other Villa manager, I'm not sure I've read anyone who thinks appointing him is anything but a bad idea.

I do - he has won more trophies as a manager than our last 10 managers put together - year one Blues finished in their highest ever league position and year 2 won a trophy (One more than we have had for years!) -not bad with the resources available. We have an infinitely better structure on and off the pitch than blues and better finances - style of play is based upon players available - as stated in another post we have an out and out goalscorer who can get 20 goals a season - if he can improve our defence then top 6 is a strong possibility - MON was welcomed with open arms when he came and his trophy successes were in Scotlandand his style of play was no different to Mcleish. I for one will give him my support - I have been a ST holder for 43 years and I support ASTON VILLA whoever the players and whoever the manager. I will still be supporting ASTON VILLA long after McLeish has left as well.

Best post I have read on the subject. Here here.