The Villa 'faithful' aren't going to be happy no matter who gets appointed, since the top polling candidates Ancelotti and Moyes wanted nothing to do with us, and the club wasn't content to give Benitez a blank cheque to buy whoever he wanted.
I don't believe this is the one appointment that would cause uproar. It's just a mighty good excuse.
Up the Villa.
The Villa 'faithful' aren't going to be happy no matter who gets appointed, since the top polling candidates Ancelotti and Moyes wanted nothing to do with us, and the club wasn't content to give Benitez a blank cheque to buy whoever he wanted.
I don't believe this is the one appointment that would cause uproar. It's just a mighty good excuse.
Up the Villa.
Tosh, we've been just been linked with two managers who finished 3rd and 4th bottom, and we look like appointing the one who got his team relegated. If Lerner wanted to take his ball home (which I doubt he'd be able to out, as our finances are a lot shit) then good riddance quite frankly.
Bloody hell....The Villa 'faithful' aren't going to be happy no matter who gets appointed, since the top polling candidates Ancelotti and Moyes wanted nothing to do with us, and the club wasn't content to give Benitez a blank cheque to buy whoever he wanted.
I don't believe this is the one appointment that would cause uproar. It's just a mighty good excuse.
Up the Villa.
Tosh, we've been just been linked with two managers who finished 3rd and 4th bottom, and we look like appointing the one who got his team relegated. If Lerner wanted to take his ball home (which I doubt he'd be able to out, as our finances are a lot shit) then good riddance quite frankly.
Eck has been relegated twice in four seasons
the problem is and i cant understand how everyone is okay with this is
Eck has been relegated twice in four seasons
and still people are okay with him becoming our new manager
Anyone think Randy could decide to walk after this?Walk where?
the problem is and i cant understand how everyone is okay with this is
Eck has been relegated twice in four seasons
and still people are okay with him becoming our new manager
The first one they were already deep in the shit when he arrived.
The second one was mainly because he had nobody who could find the net, we have Bent.
If Lerner wanted to take his ball home (which I doubt he'd be able to out, as our finances are a lot shit) then good riddance quite frankly.
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
A few have said they will back him or any other Villa manager, I'm not sure I've read anyone who thinks appointing him is anything but a bad idea.
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Bloody hell....The Villa 'faithful' aren't going to be happy no matter who gets appointed, since the top polling candidates Ancelotti and Moyes wanted nothing to do with us, and the club wasn't content to give Benitez a blank cheque to buy whoever he wanted.
I don't believe this is the one appointment that would cause uproar. It's just a mighty good excuse.
Up the Villa.
Tosh, we've been just been linked with two managers who finished 3rd and 4th bottom, and we look like appointing the one who got his team relegated. If Lerner wanted to take his ball home (which I doubt he'd be able to out, as our finances are a lot shit) then good riddance quite frankly.
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Well it isn't anymore is it?
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
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Fully agree Dave. Some people on here should have been around when Normansell and Smith were on the board and running the ship onto the rocks. 1968 was a very significant year in the history of Aston Villa, they should take time out to check this period in the history books if they haven't already done so.
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Well it isn't anymore is it?
It never has been, so how would we be better off?
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
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Fully agree Dave. Some people on here should have been around when Normansell and Smith were on the board and running the ship onto the rocks. 1968 was a very significant year in the history of Aston Villa, they should take time out to check this period in the history books if they haven't already done so.
I didn't realise the age of a poster came up when a comment was made.
Look, it's simple, if you think that Lerner is doing a great job by appointing McLeish then, go ahead, shout it from the rooftops, but don't think that you can criticize people who think this decision could be one of, if not THE worst decisions in the recent history of Aston Villa.
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Well it isn't anymore is it?
It never has been, so how would we be better off?
Because we might, just might, have an owner who understood the difference between a good manager and a mediocre one.
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Well it isn't anymore is it?
It never has been, so how would we be better off?
Because we might, just might, have an owner who understood the difference between a good manager and a mediocre one.
We might, just might, also get someone like Yeung or the clowns at Blackburn. Randy has made one unpopular decision so far, it hasn't yet been proved right or wrong, but he's being told to go. What was your opinion of him when he was shelling out £24 million in January?
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Well it isn't anymore is it?
It never has been, so how would we be better off?
Because we might, just might, have an owner who understood the difference between a good manager and a mediocre one.
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Well it isn't anymore is it?
It never has been, so how would we be better off?
Because we might, just might, have an owner who understood the difference between a good manager and a mediocre one.
We might, just might, also get someone like Yeung or the clowns at Blackburn. Randy has made one unpopular decision so far, it hasn't yet been proved right or wrong, but he's being told to go. What was your opinion of him when he was shelling out £24 million in January?
Only one? Don't make me laugh.
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Well it isn't anymore is it?
It never has been, so how would we be better off?
Because we might, just might, have an owner who understood the difference between a good manager and a mediocre one.
so exactly what does that look like? Let me guess,
1) He gets manager's to sign for us irrespective of who we are, how much money they want, and how much power they want? He also sends a voting form out to the fans so that we can all vote on it. And if the vote isn't at least a 95%-5% majority we'll all keep voting until it is. Said candidates will be asked to put their lives on hold.
2) He spends ridiculous amounts of money on players that we all agree are world class
3) He gives us a kit the we all agree is fantastic and we rarely if ever change it.
4) He keeps season ticket prices to the lowest in the division while still buying the world class players.
He could give us all of the above and people would still moan. The man isn't a bottomless pit. He's possibly going to make one questionable decision, yet there are calls for him to sell. I find the lack balance in that perspective from some people incredible to say the least.
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Well it isn't anymore is it?
It never has been, so how would we be better off?
Because we might, just might, have an owner who understood the difference between a good manager and a mediocre one.
We might, just might, also get someone like Yeung or the clowns at Blackburn. Randy has made one unpopular decision so far, it hasn't yet been proved right or wrong, but he's being told to go. What was your opinion of him when he was shelling out £24 million in January?
Only one? Don't make me laugh.
so who's a better current owner in the PL?
Cue inevitable Man City bollocks
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Well it isn't anymore is it?
It never has been, so how would we be better off?
Because we might, just might, have an owner who understood the difference between a good manager and a mediocre one.
We might, just might, also get someone like Yeung or the clowns at Blackburn. Randy has made one unpopular decision so far, it hasn't yet been proved right or wrong, but he's being told to go. What was your opinion of him when he was shelling out £24 million in January?
Only one? Don't make me laugh.
How come we haven't heard you moaning before then?
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Well it isn't anymore is it?
It never has been, so how would we be better off?
Because we might, just might, have an owner who understood the difference between a good manager and a mediocre one.
so exactly what does that look like? Let me guess,
1) He gets manager's to sign for us irrespective of who we are, how much money they want, and how much power they want? He also sends a voting form out to the fans so that we can all vote on it. And if the vote isn't at least a 95%-5% majority we'll all keep voting until it is. Said candidates will be asked to put their lives on hold.
2) He spends ridiculous amounts of money on players that we all agree are world class
3) He gives us a kit the we all agree is fantastic and we rarely if ever change it.
4) He keeps season ticket prices to the lowest in the division while still buying the world class players.
He could give us all of the above and people would still moan. The man isn't a bottomless pit. He's possibly going to make one questionable decision, yet there are calls for him to sell. I find the lack balance in that perspective from some people incredible to say the least.
And all of the above is totally outweighed by appointing a manager as poor and completely 'average' as McLeish. And, I'm sorry, but which of our current squad are World Class? Great players, sure, but World Class? C'mon ...
Because none of the other questionable decisions he's made in the past have been so bad as the one he's apparently just made.
Just so that I understand what you mean :
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Well it isn't anymore is it?
It never has been, so how would we be better off?
Because we might, just might, have an owner who understood the difference between a good manager and a mediocre one.
We might, just might, also get someone like Yeung or the clowns at Blackburn. Randy has made one unpopular decision so far, it hasn't yet been proved right or wrong, but he's being told to go. What was your opinion of him when he was shelling out £24 million in January?
Only one? Don't make me laugh.
How come we haven't heard you moaning before then?
Because none of the other questionable decisions he's made in the past have been so bad as the one he's apparently just made.
Because none of the other questionable decisions he's made in the past have been so bad as the one he's apparently just made.
Here's a novelty. How about waiting to see what happens before you judge the rights and wrong of this decision?
Because none of the other questionable decisions he's made in the past have been so bad as the one he's apparently just made.
Here's a novelty. How about waiting to see what happens before you judge the rights and wrong of this decision?
Like I said in another thread, if we become the sort of team that we all would like to see (free-scoring, ball to feet, possession, no long, hopeful punts upfield) then I'll renew but, based upon the existing evidence, there isn't a cat in hell's chance of that happening judging by every other team he's managed. Three relegations, lowest scoring Premiership team, lowest corner count etc. etc. He was in charge of a team that have just been relegated (playing, by all accounts according to some Bluenose friends, some of the worst football ever witnessed at St Andrews) and we've 'poached' him for Heaven's sake and you're prepared to back that decision? Ludicrous.
Just so that I understand what you mean :
The apparent complete disregard for the feelings of the regular supporter at the present time leads me to believe we'd be better off without him.
Are there any other billionaires you know of looking to buy a Premier League club and hand it over to a supporter co-operative?
Well it isn't anymore is it?
It never has been, so how would we be better off?
Because we might, just might, have an owner who understood the difference between a good manager and a mediocre one.
We might, just might, also get someone like Yeung or the clowns at Blackburn. Randy has made one unpopular decision so far, it hasn't yet been proved right or wrong, but he's being told to go. What was your opinion of him when he was shelling out £24 million in January?
Only one? Don't make me laugh.
How come we haven't heard you moaning before then?
Because none of the other questionable decisions he's made in the past have been so bad as the one he's apparently just made.
1. Is there a difference between an unpopular decision and a questionable decision ? If so, please elaborate as to which ones were unpopular and which ones were questionable.
It depends on your point of view - appointing McLeish would obviously fit into both categories. On a purely questionable basis, the most recent one is 'sacking' GED without the foggiest idea of who to replace him with.
2. If any of his decisions have been both unpopular and questionable, please elaborate.
As above. McLeish is the obvious one. Giving MON money to spend on poor quality players. Employing GED. All unpopular and questionable in some quarters.
For what's it worth, I think that Randy has made a lot more popular and unquestionable decisions than the other sort, viz. Acorns sponsorship, free coaches, opening his cheque book to a much greater extent than most other owners in the PL.
I agree wholeheartedly. The Acorns sponsorship especially.
Also, if getting an arab owners a la Man City turns a high proportion of your fans into 1st class arseholes and completely and utterly oblivious to how a football club should be run, forget it for me - I live and work in the Manchester area and the City fans have to a great extent turned into the greatest glory hunters bar none. They win the FA Cup and 35 years of non achievement conveniently gets forgotten.
Who said anything about a Man City type owner? All I would like is an owner who knows the difference between a good manager and a poor one. I might be wrong but the Board, as it is, seem utterly clueless when it comes to footballing matters and, more recently, the good PR has gone too.
Because none of the other questionable decisions he's made in the past have been so bad as the one he's apparently just made.
Here's a novelty. How about waiting to see what happens before you judge the rights and wrong of this decision?
Like I said in another thread, if we become the sort of team that we all would like to see (free-scoring, ball to feet, possession, no long, hopeful punts upfield) then I'll renew but, based upon the existing evidence, there isn't a cat in hell's chance of that happening judging by every other team he's managed. Three relegations, lowest scoring Premiership team, lowest corner count etc. etc. He was in charge of a team that have just been relegated (playing, by all accounts according to some Bluenose friends, some of the worst football ever witnessed at St Andrews) and we've 'poached' him for Heaven's sake and you're prepared to back that decision? Ludicrous.
I don't agree with it. I haven't ever said I agree with it. But I'm not going to act like some spoilt kid who hasn't had his own way and call Randy things he clearly isn't just because I think he might be making a mistake.
Like I said in another thread, if we become the sort of team that we all would like to see (free-scoring, ball to feet, possession, no long, hopeful punts upfield) then I'll renew
Like I said in another thread, if we become the sort of team that we all would like to see (free-scoring, ball to feet, possession, no long, hopeful punts upfield) then I'll renew
And the last time, under any manager, we played like that was?
Because none of the other questionable decisions he's made in the past have been so bad as the one he's apparently just made.
Here's a novelty. How about waiting to see what happens before you judge the rights and wrong of this decision?
Like I said in another thread, if we become the sort of team that we all would like to see (free-scoring, ball to feet, possession, no long, hopeful punts upfield) then I'll renew but, based upon the existing evidence, there isn't a cat in hell's chance of that happening judging by every other team he's managed. Three relegations, lowest scoring Premiership team, lowest corner count etc. etc. He was in charge of a team that have just been relegated (playing, by all accounts according to some Bluenose friends, some of the worst football ever witnessed at St Andrews) and we've 'poached' him for Heaven's sake and you're prepared to back that decision? Ludicrous.
I don't agree with it. I haven't ever said I agree with it. But I'm not going to act like some spoilt kid who hasn't had his own way and call Randy things he clearly isn't just because I think he might be making a mistake.
What have I called him that he isn't? And choosing not to renew is acting like a 'spoilt kid'? It's a decision I've made that you obviously don't agree with. So be it. If that's being a 'spoilt kid' then, yes, I'm a spoilt kid.
Like I said in another thread, if we become the sort of team that we all would like to see (free-scoring, ball to feet, possession, no long, hopeful punts upfield) then I'll renew
And the last time, under any manager, we played like that was?
Like I said in another thread, if we become the sort of team that we all would like to see (free-scoring, ball to feet, possession, no long, hopeful punts upfield) then I'll renew
And the last time, under any manager, we played like that was?
Like I said in another thread, if we become the sort of team that we all would like to see (free-scoring, ball to feet, possession, no long, hopeful punts upfield) then I'll renew
And the last time, under any manager, we played like that was?
Good question! We've had flashes of it under different managers. Under McLeish we ain't NEVER gonna see it and that's why I'm not renewing.
Because none of the other questionable decisions he's made in the past have been so bad as the one he's apparently just made.
Here's a novelty. How about waiting to see what happens before you judge the rights and wrong of this decision?
Like I said in another thread, if we become the sort of team that we all would like to see (free-scoring, ball to feet, possession, no long, hopeful punts upfield) then I'll renew but, based upon the existing evidence, there isn't a cat in hell's chance of that happening judging by every other team he's managed. Three relegations, lowest scoring Premiership team, lowest corner count etc. etc. He was in charge of a team that have just been relegated (playing, by all accounts according to some Bluenose friends, some of the worst football ever witnessed at St Andrews) and we've 'poached' him for Heaven's sake and you're prepared to back that decision? Ludicrous.
I don't agree with it. I haven't ever said I agree with it. But I'm not going to act like some spoilt kid who hasn't had his own way and call Randy things he clearly isn't just because I think he might be making a mistake.
What have I called him that he isn't? And choosing not to renew is acting like a 'spoilt kid'? It's a decision I've made that you obviously don't agree with. So be it. If that's being a 'spoilt kid' then, yes, I'm a spoilt kid.
You've said he's made a string of unpopular decisions, the board are uttterly clueless and we'd be better off without him.
Because none of the other questionable decisions he's made in the past have been so bad as the one he's apparently just made.
Here's a novelty. How about waiting to see what happens before you judge the rights and wrong of this decision?
Like I said in another thread, if we become the sort of team that we all would like to see (free-scoring, ball to feet, possession, no long, hopeful punts upfield) then I'll renew but, based upon the existing evidence, there isn't a cat in hell's chance of that happening judging by every other team he's managed. Three relegations, lowest scoring Premiership team, lowest corner count etc. etc. He was in charge of a team that have just been relegated (playing, by all accounts according to some Bluenose friends, some of the worst football ever witnessed at St Andrews) and we've 'poached' him for Heaven's sake and you're prepared to back that decision? Ludicrous.
I don't agree with it. I haven't ever said I agree with it. But I'm not going to act like some spoilt kid who hasn't had his own way and call Randy things he clearly isn't just because I think he might be making a mistake.
What have I called him that he isn't? And choosing not to renew is acting like a 'spoilt kid'? It's a decision I've made that you obviously don't agree with. So be it. If that's being a 'spoilt kid' then, yes, I'm a spoilt kid.
You've said he's made a string of unpopular decisions, the board are uttterly clueless and we'd be better off without him.
So I haven't actually called him anything have I?
And, yes, I'd like us to have a Board that knows the difference between a good manager and a poor manager. What's wrong with that?
Because none of the other questionable decisions he's made in the past have been so bad as the one he's apparently just made.
Here's a novelty. How about waiting to see what happens before you judge the rights and wrong of this decision?
Like I said in another thread, if we become the sort of team that we all would like to see (free-scoring, ball to feet, possession, no long, hopeful punts upfield) then I'll renew but, based upon the existing evidence, there isn't a cat in hell's chance of that happening judging by every other team he's managed. Three relegations, lowest scoring Premiership team, lowest corner count etc. etc. He was in charge of a team that have just been relegated (playing, by all accounts according to some Bluenose friends, some of the worst football ever witnessed at St Andrews) and we've 'poached' him for Heaven's sake and you're prepared to back that decision? Ludicrous.
I don't agree with it. I haven't ever said I agree with it. But I'm not going to act like some spoilt kid who hasn't had his own way and call Randy things he clearly isn't just because I think he might be making a mistake.
What have I called him that he isn't? And choosing not to renew is acting like a 'spoilt kid'? It's a decision I've made that you obviously don't agree with. So be it. If that's being a 'spoilt kid' then, yes, I'm a spoilt kid.
You've said he's made a string of unpopular decisions, the board are uttterly clueless and we'd be better off without him.
So I haven't actually called him anything have I?
And, yes, I'd like us to have a Board that knows the difference between a good manager and a poor manager. What's wrong with that?
You're good at splitting hairs, I'll give you that. So far under Randy we've had O'Neill (who wasn't officially appointed by him but the reason he took the job is no great secret) and Houllier, who seemed to be moving in the right direction and might have had a good next season. I prefer to wait and see before judging.
Sixways - what do you want to do, then? I have lost track in the multiple postings, but still.
Fair enough - I admire your optimism.
O'Neill also left because of him and GED was 'released', shall we say, by him without having lined up any sort of replacement. And, yes, I was looking forward to seeing how the GED era was going to pan out as, at the very least, he had us playing fairly attractive football at times.
I hope Randy wont pay too much notice to a vociferous emotional minority.
Keep calm and carry on.
Anyone think Randy could decide to walk after this?Definitely. He is too young for a wheelchair or zimmer frame.
If Lerner left we'd survive i'm sure. Hopefully he doesn't take it personally. A lot of us think he's possibly about to make a major mistake and you're not much of a Villa fan if you blindly follow a chairman's decision. The thing that worries me is they seem to think its purely because he's from blose when the reality is, while a section of our support won't accept him for that reason, the main problem is he's not very good or at least has a bobbins record. The general's comments about Mcliesh were frankly baffling to my mind - like he was some sort of managerial genius.
The fact also we are about to employ a manager whereby its more important his face fits than his ability to do the job, and thats why it'll never works as long as RL as an hole in his bummy wum
After bowing to the ridiculous over reaction and pressure over McClaren Randy seems now to have taken the route of ‘I don’t give a sh** what you think , I’m getting the man I think will do the best job.’
He may well decide enough is enough but my reaction to that will depend on who succeeds him. I want an owner that is ambitious and wants the very best for Villa, and is willing to go for it. I thought RL was that man until recently, but the type of manager he has been looking at indicates that he probably isn't. Either that or he just doesn;t know what he is doing.
The reason for the reaction is that it comes on the back of a season gaffes, bust ups and blow outs. Its not just the appointment of AM its the amaturish way we have gone about replacing GH. We need an appointment to steady the ship and get everyone back on side and looking forward to the new season. This appointment will achieve the opposite.I dont give a monkeys about him coming from the other lot. I do care that we are going down the road of hoofball with a bloke whose managerial track record in the PL is shot.Add to this the fact that any failure on the pitch will put a pressure on the team which will be counter productive.This just does not make any sense.I agree. the Blues connection is way down the list for virtually everyone I know.
He may well decide enough is enough but my reaction to that will depend on who succeeds him. I want an owner that is ambitious and wants the very best for Villa, and is willing to go for it. I thought RL was that man until recently, but the type of manager he has been looking at indicates that he probably isn't. Either that or he just doesn;t know what he is doing.
Or maybe he realises he hasn't got quite enough money to compete with the arabs etc and isn't prepared to gamble the future of the club on a vain attempt to buy CL football?
You know, I'm pretty sure that some of the people currently having a pop at Randy were the same people who jumped on any negativity a couple of years back with the same "I wonder why Randy bothers" line we are seeing here.
Strange times.
He won't walk but a few points. I have found myself toughening my position against the screamers over the last couple of days so lord only knows what Randy makes of it.
If these protests have done nothing else it is to ensure that the board will not be so accommodating to the fans in future.
Yes, we cannot upset Randy.
He may well decide enough is enough but my reaction to that will depend on who succeeds him. I want an owner that is ambitious and wants the very best for Villa, and is willing to go for it. I thought RL was that man until recently, but the type of manager he has been looking at indicates that he probably isn't. Either that or he just doesn;t know what he is doing.
Or maybe he realises he hasn't got quite enough money to compete with the arabs etc and isn't prepared to gamble the future of the club on a vain attempt to buy CL football?
He may well decide enough is enough but my reaction to that will depend on who succeeds him. I want an owner that is ambitious and wants the very best for Villa, and is willing to go for it. I thought RL was that man until recently, but the type of manager he has been looking at indicates that he probably isn't. Either that or he just doesn;t know what he is doing.
Or maybe he realises he hasn't got quite enough money to compete with the arabs etc and isn't prepared to gamble the future of the club on a vain attempt to buy CL football?
Yes maybe he has realised that. And that's what is so depressing after being sold the dream of CL and "bright futre" 5 years ago. And maybe that has something to do with a lot of people saying they'll have had enough should AM be hired.
London, Manchester, and Liverpool are awash with successful, competative football clubs.
Unfortunatey we live in Birmingham a city that's managed one League Championship in 100 years.
Clearly it's down to Aston Villa to give the people of Birmingham something to shout about, but I think it's fairly clear now that with Randy Lerner as owner we'll do no more than tread water.
A few have said they will back him or any other Villa manager, I'm not sure I've read anyone who thinks appointing him is anything but a bad idea.
I do - he has won more trophies as a manager than our last 10 managers put together - year one Blues finished in their highest ever league position and year 2 won a trophy (One more than we have had for years!) -not bad with the resources available. We have an infinitely better structure on and off the pitch than blues and better finances - style of play is based upon players available - as stated in another post we have an out and out goalscorer who can get 20 goals a season - if he can improve our defence then top 6 is a strong possibility - MON was welcomed with open arms when he came and his trophy successes were in Scotlandand his style of play was no different to Mcleish. I for one will give him my support - I have been a ST holder for 43 years and I support ASTON VILLA whoever the players and whoever the manager. I will still be supporting ASTON VILLA long after McLeish has left as well.
He won't walk but a few points. I have found myself toughening my position against the screamers over the last couple of days so lord only knows what Randy makes of it.
If these protests have done nothing else it is to ensure that the board will not be so accommodating to the fans in future.
Learner wont have to watch the boring football served up by our new manager every home match like the fans. When i looked to see if he was at the match more often than not he was,nt .Maybe mr woodhall can tell me how many games he actually attends.
Just out of interest has anyone ever seen proof of this so called tattoo Lerner is supposed to ahve on his leg? Or is that more PR bullshit from General Krulak?
As for Lerner, I think this is phase 1 of an exit strategy which will involve providing limited funds to keep us in the PL whilst he looks for a buyer. He will probably ramp up selling our best players alogn the way to recoup on his investment.
I think he will be gone within 18 months.
Just out of interest has anyone ever seen proof of this so called tattoo Lerner is supposed to ahve on his leg? Or is that more PR bullshit from General Krulak?
As for Lerner, I think this is phase 1 of an exit strategy which will involve providing limited funds to keep us in the PL whilst he looks for a buyer. He will probably ramp up selling our best players alogn the way to recoup on his investment.
I think he will be gone within 18 months.
So you prepare to sell a business by risking alienating your customers?
If anything it shows he's in for the long haul. A person looking to sell would splash out on a big name manager to artificially increase gate receipts, merchandise sold and increase the profile of the club.
Ultimately, the board have appointed a manager who they feel is equipped to do the best job for Aston Villa, and no matter what anyone says there were other options available.
London, Manchester, and Liverpool are awash with successful, competative football clubs.
Unfortunatey we live in Birmingham a city that's managed one League Championship in 100 years.
Clearly it's down to Aston Villa to give the people of Birmingham something to shout about, but I think it's fairly clear now that with Randy Lerner as owner we'll do no more than tread water.
THis precisely. THe appointment of shit like AM confirns to me Lerner has neither the wherewithal or nous to nmake a real go of it; as such he should f*ck off and take his lickspittle lackies with hinm and sell to someoene who can put us in a position to really compete. From day one he's been riding the baloney pony - fed us all shovels full of horseshit which we gullibly swallowed down after enduring Ellis's tenure. In short we were duped. Most Browns fans as far as my undertanding goes wouldn't piss on Lerner if he was on fire. I'm now beginning to understand why....
London, Manchester, and Liverpool are awash with successful, competative football clubs.
Unfortunatey we live in Birmingham a city that's managed one League Championship in 100 years.
Clearly it's down to Aston Villa to give the people of Birmingham something to shout about, but I think it's fairly clear now that with Randy Lerner as owner we'll do no more than tread water.
THis precisely. THe appointment of shit like AM confirns to me Lerner has neither the wherewithal or nous to nmake a real go of it; as such he should f*ck off and take his lickspittle lackies with hinm and sell to someoene who can put us in a position to really compete. From day one he's been riding the baloney pony - fed us all shovels full of horseshit which we gullibly swallowed down after enduring Ellis's tenure. In short we were duped. Most Browns fans as far as my undertanding goes wouldn't piss on Lerner if he was on fire. I'm now beginning to understand why....
Re: 'A better manager' this one is really easy to discuss. If you really believe that there was a better manager that was going to step up for Villa just link us the comment where he says he will be happy to take the job. If my grandma is the only one interested and available to fill the position...she IS the best choice at the time. :DDo you honestly believe McLeish was the best and only option available? McClaren was a better option for starters: he was both keen and available. Quite why Lerner pulled the plug on him but didn't do so with McLeish is baffling.
Re: 'A better manager' this one is really easy to discuss. If you really believe that there was a better manager that was going to step up for Villa just link us the comment where he says he will be happy to take the job. If my grandma is the only one interested and available to fill the position...she IS the best choice at the time. :DDo you honestly believe McLeish was the best and only option available? McClaren was a better option for starters: he was both keen and available. Quite why Lerner pulled the plug on him but didn't do so with McLeish is baffling.
Re: 'A better manager' this one is really easy to discuss. If you really believe that there was a better manager that was going to step up for Villa just link us the comment where he says he will be happy to take the job. If my grandma is the only one interested and available to fill the position...she IS the best choice at the time. :DDo you honestly believe McLeish was the best and only option available? McClaren was a better option for starters: he was both keen and available. Quite why Lerner pulled the plug on him but didn't do so with McLeish is baffling.
London, Manchester, and Liverpool are awash with successful, competative football clubs.
Unfortunatey we live in Birmingham a city that's managed one League Championship in 100 years.
Clearly it's down to Aston Villa to give the people of Birmingham something to shout about, but I think it's fairly clear now that with Randy Lerner as owner we'll do no more than tread water.
This precisely. THe appointment of shit like AM confirns to me Lerner has neither the wherewithal or nous to nmake a real go of it; as such he should f*ck off and take his lickspittle lackies with hinm and sell to someoene who can put us in a position to really compete. From day one he's been riding the baloney pony - fed us all shovels full of horseshit which we gullibly swallowed down after enduring Ellis's tenure. In short we were duped. Most Browns fans as far as my undertanding goes wouldn't piss on Lerner if he was on fire. I'm now beginning to understand why....
Why has it taken five years to say this if you've thought it all along?
Anyone think Randy could decide to walk after this?
I wouldn't blame him if he did but it would be the worst things that could happen to our club.
London, Manchester, and Liverpool are awash with successful, competative football clubs.
Unfortunatey we live in Birmingham a city that's managed one League Championship in 100 years.
Clearly it's down to Aston Villa to give the people of Birmingham something to shout about, but I think it's fairly clear now that with Randy Lerner as owner we'll do no more than tread water.
This precisely. THe appointment of shit like AM confirns to me Lerner has neither the wherewithal or nous to nmake a real go of it; as such he should f*ck off and take his lickspittle lackies with hinm and sell to someoene who can put us in a position to really compete. From day one he's been riding the baloney pony - fed us all shovels full of horseshit which we gullibly swallowed down after enduring Ellis's tenure. In short we were duped. Most Browns fans as far as my undertanding goes wouldn't piss on Lerner if he was on fire. I'm now beginning to understand why....
Why has it taken five years to say this if you've thought it all along?
I've had misgivings ever since the petulant fallout with MON;The incomprehesibly muddled selection process over the last two managerial appointments leads me to question the competence of the board and general structure at all levels. Randy was lucky in so much as on take over he replaced a generally loathed ex-chairman, so getting everyone onside was never going to be horrendously difficult.He was also bequeathed a fairly healthy set of finances ( debt free) and a decent manager in situ. Five years on we are arguably worse off than when he arrived, but with a far higher level of expectation from the fan base, a toxic combination. I'm not overly convinced by his stewardship over the last 18 months. It all seemed too good to be true and probably was, we all lapped it up and now the party is over and in the cold light of day much of what we saw in the first instance appears o be little more than smoke and mirrors. What a shame it will end like this...
What he has done is make a pig's ear of replacing Houllier. To be honest, I'm not bothered whether he's got the wedge to chuck at giving us a stab at success or not. What bothers me is his being incapable of selling this club to good managers and ending up having to tout it around to poor ones.Exactly right. Given the field of candidates, how the fuck did we end up with McLeish? What kind of plan was Lerner working to? In fact, did he have one? Turning down McLaren is fine if you get someone better. But we didn't. Even with no pre-season, three managers, player unrest and a horrendous injury crisis we still finished as high as McLeish has ever got.
What he has done is make a pig's ear of replacing Houllier. To be honest, I'm not bothered whether he's got the wedge to chuck at giving us a stab at success or not. What bothers me is his being incapable of selling this club to good managers and ending up having to tout it around to poor ones.Exactly right. Given the field of candidates, how the fuck did we end up with McLeish? What kind of plan was Lerner working to? In fact, did he have one? Turning down McLaren is fine if you get someone better. But we didn't. Even with no pre-season, three managers, player unrest and a horrendous injury crisis we still finished as high as McLeish has ever got.
What he has done is make a pig's ear of replacing Houllier. To be honest, I'm not bothered whether he's got the wedge to chuck at giving us a stab at success or not. What bothers me is his being incapable of selling this club to good managers and ending up having to tout it around to poor ones.Exactly right. Given the field of candidates, how the fuck did we end up with McLeish? What kind of plan was Lerner working to? In fact, did he have one? Turning down McLaren is fine if you get someone better. But we didn't. Even with no pre-season, three managers, player unrest and a horrendous injury crisis we still finished as high as McLeish has ever got.
I don't know how you can say McClaren is better? How do you judge how good someone is anyway? If it is on pasts record I'd say McCleish has the better record.
I wonder if McCleish was not in charge of Birmingham before us but Fulham how many people would be chosing McClaren over McCleish?
I didn't want either, I wanted the best out there, they just didn't want us.
London, Manchester, and Liverpool are awash with successful, competative football clubs.
Unfortunatey we live in Birmingham a city that's managed one League Championship in 100 years.
Clearly it's down to Aston Villa to give the people of Birmingham something to shout about, but I think it's fairly clear now that with Randy Lerner as owner we'll do no more than tread water.
This precisely. THe appointment of shit like AM confirns to me Lerner has neither the wherewithal or nous to nmake a real go of it; as such he should f*ck off and take his lickspittle lackies with hinm and sell to someoene who can put us in a position to really compete. From day one he's been riding the baloney pony - fed us all shovels full of horseshit which we gullibly swallowed down after enduring Ellis's tenure. In short we were duped. Most Browns fans as far as my undertanding goes wouldn't piss on Lerner if he was on fire. I'm now beginning to understand why....
Why has it taken five years to say this if you've thought it all along?
I've had misgivings ever since the petulant fallout with MON;The incomprehesibly muddled selection process over the last two managerial appointments leads me to question the competence of the board and general structure at all levels. Randy was lucky in so much as on take over he replaced a generally loathed ex-chairman, so getting everyone onside was never going to be horrendously difficult.He was also bequeathed a fairly healthy set of finances ( debt free) and a decent manager in situ. Five years on we are arguably worse off than when he arrived, but with a far higher level of expectation from the fan base, a toxic combination. I'm not overly convinced by his stewardship over the last 18 months. It all seemed too good to be true and probably was, we all lapped it up and now the party is over and in the cold light of day much of what we saw in the first instance appears o be little more than smoke and mirrors. What a shame it will end like this...
I repeat. Why has it taken five years to say this if you felt it all along?
I don't know how you can say McClaren is better? How do you judge how good someone is anyway? If it is on pasts record I'd say McCleish has the better record.
I wonder if McCleish was not in charge of Birmingham before us but Fulham how many people would be chosing McClaren over McCleish?
I didn't want either, I wanted the best out there, they just didn't want us.
If McLeish had just taken Fulham down, two years after relegating them the first time I think we'd see a similar level of vitriol.
Hilts, I keep asking and you keep dodging....what was the field of candidates willing and able to take the Villa job right now?Eh? You've asked me once as far as I can tell, and I've only just read it. Besides, I've already given you McClaren. To that you can add Benitez, who was practically reading out his CV at one point. Hughes, Moyes, Jol, Van Gaal, Flores, Rijkaard and even Martinez would have been better bets than McLeish, in my view. And that's without even turning my mind to it.
What I'm saying is if you look on paper McCleish has achieved more as a manager than McClaren. Lets face it, it would take a real genius and there might not be one out there to keep the rags in the top division. At least he achieved a high table finish with them.I don't know how you can say McClaren is better? How do you judge how good someone is anyway? If it is on pasts record I'd say McCleish has the better record.
I wonder if McCleish was not in charge of Birmingham before us but Fulham how many people would be chosing McClaren over McCleish?
I didn't want either, I wanted the best out there, they just didn't want us.
If McLeish had just taken Fulham down, two years after relegating them the first time I think we'd see a similar level of vitriol.
Most fans will probably agree that relegation is worse than using an umbrella.
I like pretty much everyone was swept along in that euphoria of being rid of Doug, and bought hook line and sinker talk of reinstating us amongst the elite. Five years on I feel I've been sold a pup. For someone who couldn't put a foot wrong initially he's looking more fallible by the day, mounting debt, poor managerial appointments. Not such a rosey picture now is it? I no longer believe he's the man for the job ,just as old Douglas wasn't before him. Five years is a long time and opinions are shaped by events, are they not? In adversity he's been found wanting in my eyes. I'd not be sad if he called it quits and sold up...
I like pretty much everyone was swept along in that euphoria of being rid of Doug, and bought hook line and sinker talk of reinstating us amongst the elite. Five years on I feel I've been sold a pup. For someone who couldn't put a foot wrong initially he's looking more fallible by the day, mounting debt, poor managerial appointments. Not such a rosey picture now is it? I no longer believe he's the man for the job ,just as old Douglas wasn't before him. Five years is a long time and opinions are shaped by events, are they not? In adversity he's been found wanting in my eyes. I'd not be sad if he called it quits and sold up...
You've reckoned it since day one, we're worse now that when he arrived and you want him to sell up. Yet you're only saying it now. Maybe in another five years you'll be able to say who he should sell to.
I like pretty much everyone was swept along in that euphoria of being rid of Doug, and bought hook line and sinker talk of reinstating us amongst the elite. Five years on I feel I've been sold a pup. For someone who couldn't put a foot wrong initially he's looking more fallible by the day, mounting debt, poor managerial appointments. Not such a rosey picture now is it? I no longer believe he's the man for the job ,just as old Douglas wasn't before him. Five years is a long time and opinions are shaped by events, are they not? In adversity he's been found wanting in my eyes. I'd not be sad if he called it quits and sold up...
You've reckoned it since day one, we're worse now that when he arrived and you want him to sell up. Yet you're only saying it now. Maybe in another five years you'll be able to say who he should sell to.
Not quite where I hoped we would be 5 years on. Have been some good things, some bad, BUT have a feeling it aint gonna get any better. Time to go? Depends who wants to buy. If we are not careful we could end up with a Carson Yeung type character.There aint many people like Sheikh Mansoor shopping at the moment, and those who are dont want to shop in Brum.
Alex McLeish will have a £40m war chest to help him hit the ground running in his new job at Aston Villa. Full story: Sunday Mirror
The right sort of reaction if this is true.
Alex McLeish will have a £40m war chest to help him hit the ground running in his new job at Aston Villa. Full story: Sunday MirrorI'll be pleased if he gets that amount.
The right sort of reaction if this is true.
I didn't see it coming from day one I've never stated that, merely I was too willing to accept Lerner without really looking any deeper than he wasn't Doug. He's making a lot of cack handed decisions having proved so sure footed intially.There is a very Ellisian feel around VP lately. I'm sure my doubts would have surfaced earlier had I sought the opinions of Browns fans. As for who he sells to I don't have a list of prospective buyers, but I'm sure someone with the means would like the kudos that comes with owning a club in the English top flight. The very idea that there would be no takers should the club be put up for sale is a non sequitur, would they prove to be better owners is debatable.Please enlighten me as to the quantum leap forward we've taken during Mr Lerner's tenure? we're still a selling club, spiralling debt, no more trophies in the cabinet and now set up to become firmly entrenched midtableI like pretty much everyone was swept along in that euphoria of being rid of Doug, and bought hook line and sinker talk of reinstating us amongst the elite. Five years on I feel I've been sold a pup. For someone who couldn't put a foot wrong initially he's looking more fallible by the day, mounting debt, poor managerial appointments. Not such a rosey picture now is it? I no longer believe he's the man for the job ,just as old Douglas wasn't before him. Five years is a long time and opinions are shaped by events, are they not? In adversity he's been found wanting in my eyes. I'd not be sad if he called it quits and sold up...
You've reckoned it since day one, we're worse now that when he arrived and you want him to sell up. Yet you're only saying it now. Maybe in another five years you'll be able to say who he should sell to.
I like pretty much everyone was swept along in that euphoria of being rid of Doug, and bought hook line and sinker talk of reinstating us amongst the elite. Five years on I feel I've been sold a pup. For someone who couldn't put a foot wrong initially he's looking more fallible by the day, mounting debt, poor managerial appointments. Not such a rosey picture now is it? I no longer believe he's the man for the job ,just as old Douglas wasn't before him. Five years is a long time and opinions are shaped by events, are they not? In adversity he's been found wanting in my eyes. I'd not be sad if he called it quits and sold up...
You've reckoned it since day one, we're worse now that when he arrived and you want him to sell up. Yet you're only saying it now. Maybe in another five years you'll be able to say who he should sell to.
I like pretty much everyone was swept along in that euphoria of being rid of Doug, and bought hook line and sinker talk of reinstating us amongst the elite. Five years on I feel I've been sold a pup. For someone who couldn't put a foot wrong initially he's looking more fallible by the day, mounting debt, poor managerial appointments. Not such a rosey picture now is it? I no longer believe he's the man for the job ,just as old Douglas wasn't before him. Five years is a long time and opinions are shaped by events, are they not? In adversity he's been found wanting in my eyes. I'd not be sad if he called it quits and sold up...
You've reckoned it since day one, we're worse now that when he arrived and you want him to sell up. Yet you're only saying it now. Maybe in another five years you'll be able to say who he should sell to.
Not quite where I hoped we would be 5 years on. Have been some good things, some bad, BUT have a feeling it aint gonna get any better. Time to go? Depends who wants to buy. If we are not careful we could end up with a Carson Yeung type character.There aint many people like Sheikh Mansoor shopping at the moment, and those who are dont want to shop in Brum.
And then, first time this mythical new owner does something unpopular, will we want him to sell up as well?
I didn't see it coming from day one I've never stated that, merely I was too willing to accept Lerner without really looking any deeper than he wasn't Doug. He's making a lot of cack handed decisions having proved so sure footed intially.There is a very Ellisian feel around VP lately. I'm sure my doubts would have surfaced earlier had I sought the opinions of Browns fans. As for who he sells to I don't have a list of prospective buyers, but I'm sure someone with the means would like the kudos that comes with owning a club in the English top flight. The very idea that there would be no takers should the club be put up for sale is a non sequitur, would they prove to be better owners is debatable.Please enlighten me as to the quantum leap forward we've taken during Mr Lerner's tenure? we're still a selling club, spiralling debt, no more trophies in the cabinet and now set up to become firmly entrenched midtableI like pretty much everyone was swept along in that euphoria of being rid of Doug, and bought hook line and sinker talk of reinstating us amongst the elite. Five years on I feel I've been sold a pup. For someone who couldn't put a foot wrong initially he's looking more fallible by the day, mounting debt, poor managerial appointments. Not such a rosey picture now is it? I no longer believe he's the man for the job ,just as old Douglas wasn't before him. Five years is a long time and opinions are shaped by events, are they not? In adversity he's been found wanting in my eyes. I'd not be sad if he called it quits and sold up...
You've reckoned it since day one, we're worse now that when he arrived and you want him to sell up. Yet you're only saying it now. Maybe in another five years you'll be able to say who he should sell to.
I didn't see it coming from day one I've never stated that, merely I was too willing to accept Lerner without really looking any deeper than he wasn't Doug. He's making a lot of cack handed decisions having proved so sure footed intially.There is a very Ellisian feel around VP lately. I'm sure my doubts would have surfaced earlier had I sought the opinions of Browns fans. As for who he sells to I don't have a list of prospective buyers, but I'm sure someone with the means would like the kudos that comes with owning a club in the English top flight. The very idea that there would be no takers should the club be put up for sale is a non sequitur, would they prove to be better owners is debatable.Please enlighten me as to the quantum leap forward we've taken during Mr Lerner's tenure? we're still a selling club, spiralling debt, no more trophies in the cabinet and now set up to become firmly entrenched midtableI like pretty much everyone was swept along in that euphoria of being rid of Doug, and bought hook line and sinker talk of reinstating us amongst the elite. Five years on I feel I've been sold a pup. For someone who couldn't put a foot wrong initially he's looking more fallible by the day, mounting debt, poor managerial appointments. Not such a rosey picture now is it? I no longer believe he's the man for the job ,just as old Douglas wasn't before him. Five years is a long time and opinions are shaped by events, are they not? In adversity he's been found wanting in my eyes. I'd not be sad if he called it quits and sold up...
You've reckoned it since day one, we're worse now that when he arrived and you want him to sell up. Yet you're only saying it now. Maybe in another five years you'll be able to say who he should sell to.
I didn't see it coming from day one I've never stated that, merely I was too willing to accept Lerner without really looking any deeper than he wasn't Doug. He's making a lot of cack handed decisions having proved so sure footed intially.There is a very Ellisian feel around VP lately. I'm sure my doubts would have surfaced earlier had I sought the opinions of Browns fans. As for who he sells to I don't have a list of prospective buyers, but I'm sure someone with the means would like the kudos that comes with owning a club in the English top flight. The very idea that there would be no takers should the club be put up for sale is a non sequitur, would they prove to be better owners is debatable.Please enlighten me as to the quantum leap forward we've taken during Mr Lerner's tenure? we're still a selling club, spiralling debt, no more trophies in the cabinet and now set up to become firmly entrenched midtableI like pretty much everyone was swept along in that euphoria of being rid of Doug, and bought hook line and sinker talk of reinstating us amongst the elite. Five years on I feel I've been sold a pup. For someone who couldn't put a foot wrong initially he's looking more fallible by the day, mounting debt, poor managerial appointments. Not such a rosey picture now is it? I no longer believe he's the man for the job ,just as old Douglas wasn't before him. Five years is a long time and opinions are shaped by events, are they not? In adversity he's been found wanting in my eyes. I'd not be sad if he called it quits and sold up...
You've reckoned it since day one, we're worse now that when he arrived and you want him to sell up. Yet you're only saying it now. Maybe in another five years you'll be able to say who he should sell to.
We've had four years of progress, a fifth interrupted by a manager throwing a strop when finally asked to work under the same conditions as every other manager and a new appointment no-one can judge yet. Five months ago we smashed our transfer record. In the light of such evidence we're apparently no better off than we were under Ellis - the same Ellis who refused to sign a free transfer because we couldn't afford him.
You've thought it for some indeterminate time but only now will you say anything. There's a coincidence.
Under Lerner we've bought Young, Davies, Downing, NRC and Milner all for close to the £10m mark, plus Bent of course.
Angel was very much an exception in the Ellis years.
The point that Lerner has sanctioned and funded a level of spending unheard of in the days of the previous regime is valid.
True. I'm pretty sure we've spent considerably more (net) in a fairly short period of time under Lerner though, even allowing for footballing inflation.
We've all seen the net spend figures whilst analysing O'Neil's transfer record. This hasn't exactly been reigned in since he left, given our activity in January. You can't seriously be claiming we spent a relatively similar amount under Ellis?
Under Lerner we've bought Young, Davies, Downing, NRC and Milner all for close to the £10m mark, plus Bent of course.
Angel was very much an exception in the Ellis years.
The point that Lerner has sanctioned and funded a level of spending unheard of in the days of the previous regime is valid.
It's all relative isn't it? We spent big on JPA, Collymore, Merson and Balaban under Ellis.