Mark Hughes Quits Fulham

[holtepaul]

Dont be bloody daft !

BFR to Coventry , Vialli to Watford etc........

How on earth are you comparing a guy who has won Champions League trophies x 2 , various cups, and English League (and all the rest for Benitez) to an ex player who won one FA cup taking over a championship club.

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bet if we were linked with Guardiola , Mourinho, Ancelotti, Fergusun, Van Gaal and Vinnie Jones  - someoone on here would argue Vinnie Jones would be the better manager for Villa !

If we COULD get Ancelotti - it would be the biggest scoop this club has ever made. And if he gets success himself or not , the statement to the world that Villa are a big club will be made.

We have a chance here to change our history - or just be what we have been - a top 8 club.

Only time will tell if the opportunity works , no one can predict the future , look at Scholari - seemed a match made in heaven that did.

But if we don't even try - then to be fair, we are no more than a small time club like Blues - always talking the talk - never walking the walk !

[Legion]

We're far superior to Small Heath Alliance. Always have been, always will be. Check up on your history.

[hilts_coolerking]

I see what you are saying up to a point. If I was forced to construct a table based on who is the better manger, I would place Ancelotti and Benitez above Hughes. So I would agree with you.

But when trying to solve a specific problem the adjective "better" is vacuous outside of context, and it is the details that make up this context which is the real issue.  The foundation of this context is the relative strength of our current position, or where we are now: there is nothing like a consensus even on that on this forum.

For example, we have a large number of very promising youngsters. Those of us paying close attention have worked out that it is now a strategic policy that we must use this resource more than we have before. This does not mean that we will not shell out for a decent player: that is a false dichotomy. Even the most brilliant of all the best managers, if he wants to achieve his objective over a limited term, will be reticent to take the risks to do this. Why should he? By many criteria, Appy Arry rates higher than Hughes, but you sure as hell wouldn't want him to achieve this task.   

The big hitters would no doubt energise the fan base and provide some excitement, but they are unlikely to be suited to taking the risk of damaging their reputation by deserting the pragmatic methods which got them where they are.

I think Benitez might work, but then I thought GH might work, so what do I know.
 

That's precisely the distinction I'm drawing.  Benitez and Ancelotti are better managers than Hughes, based on their respective careers to date; only a fool or a pedant would attempt to argue otherwise.  And for Percy's benefit, it has to spelled out that that doesn't necessarily mean it will always be the case (although no-one has actually said how or why they think Hughes will eventually go on to have a career as successful as theirs).

A separate issue is who is the best fit for the Villa job now, given our current circumstances; I recognise there is a case that can be made for Hughes here although I disagree with it.

I don't see any of that is particularly controversial.

[Legion]

Ancelotti and Benitez are well ahead of Hughes for me.

[gervilla]

We're far superior to Small Heath Alliance. Always have been, always will be. Check up on your history.

Then again most clubs are.
If we were inferior to that lot it would be time to give up.

[hilts_coolerking]

There have been plenty of managers appointed in the past based on glittering success elsewhere. Vialli at Watford, BFR at Coventry, Houllier to us and so forth.

Their past honours don't automatically transfer over to their new club.
Based on trophies only, Vialli was a better manager than Graham Taylor. But who was more suited to the Watford job and who ultimately achieved more based on that clubs targets?

I've nailed my colours to the mast as far as an Ancelotti or Van Gaal are concerned. If there is any possibility they would be interested we should exhaust all avenues.

But I can see where Percy and Chris are coming from and their argument certainly isn't without merit.

I agree with all of that, but that's to do with the separate issue of who is the best fit for the Villa job, given our current circumstances.  And even taking that into account, I'd still prefer Ancelotti or Benitez to Hughes because, as I've said, they are demonstrably better managers.

[Risso]

Jesus fucking H Christ, give it a fucking rest.  Please.

[Percy McCarthy]

I tend to use the word 'believe' when I mean 'believe', and the word 'know' when I mean 'know'. You think you 'know', when really you just 'believe', as with the careers of the candidates ongoing it's impossible to 'know' and ridiculous to say that you do. Never mind, most seem to have worked that out now anyway.

I know what I know; you evidently don't.  Anyway, you've totally missed the point again: what part of "careers to date" are you struggling with?  Whether in future, Mark Hughes goes on to be mentioned as the equal of Ancelotti and Moyes is not something I've made any definitive statement about.  You're the one who has brought that up, not me.  As you should know.

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Is it your assertion that the ability a manager possesses can be factually decided based upon their career to date, with the conditions under which they previously worked of no account?

[hilts_coolerking]

Jesus fucking H Christ, give it a fucking rest.  Please.

That is something I would dearly love to do, believe me.  This whole thing has been a fuss over the use of one fucking word.  One word.  That must be some sort of record for H&V.

[Legion]

Please stop. My head is spinning.

[Big Dick Edwards]

If we COULD get Ancelotti - it would be the biggest scoop this club has ever made.

I agree with this. However, I can't help feeling it'd be a bit like going out and somehow pulling a beautiful woman who you knew was out of your league then spending the forseeable future waiting for the day when somebody more attractive inevitably takes her off you.

[Villanation]

Please stop. My head is spinning.

I'm getting a swelling in my trousers and my top lip keeps curling up like Elvis.......

[Legion]

Terry wants Hughes (or Hiddink)

[KevinGage]

Dont be bloody daft !

BFR to Coventry , Vialli to Watford etc........

How on earth are you comparing a guy who has won Champions League trophies x 2 , various cups, and English League (and all the rest for Benitez) to an ex player who won one FA cup taking over a championship club.

JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bet if we were linked with Guardiola , Mourinho, Ancelotti, Fergusun, Van Gaal and Vinnie Jones  - someoone on here would argue Vinnie Jones would be the better manager for Villa ! 

Trapattoni is effectively working part time for Ireland and is living in London. Maybe we should go for him? Based on your narrow criteria, how could we look past a guy that has won the league in four different countries and a myriad of cups. Svennis is only up the road at Leicester too.  The point remains, despite your footstamping and tunnel vision, that other factors aside from trophies won elsewhere might form part of the decision making process occasionally.

Only time will tell if the opportunity works , no one can predict the future , look at Scholari - seemed a match made in heaven that did.

Thankyou for illustrating my point.

But if we don't even try - then to be fair, we are no more than a small time club like Blues - always talking the talk - never walking the walk !

How do you know for certain that we haven't tried? What do you advocate if -heaven forbid- he or any of the other in vogue names turn the job down? Abduction? Waterboarding? Blackmail?

[Villanation]

Terry wants Hughes (or Hiddink)

In the showers maybe.