Who Should be Aston Villa Manager ? Now with new, revised poll

[OzVilla]

They both had a real 'feel' for the Club though and had greater fan support (especially in Little's case).

Consquently, they got some slack when results did'nt go that well (again especially in Little's case).

Martinez's appointment would be far more similar to Turners than Little or Gregorys.

[Irish villain]

As I said earlier, Roberto Martinez could easily be Graham Turner re-visited.

We're at a bit of a crossroads and gambles are the last thing we should be attempting.  That list aint great though!!

He is going to be himself, it is totally unfair to compare him with other managers who have failed.

I'm comparing the randam nature of taking a shock, largely unproven Manager into our Club when it's at a real crossroads - we've tried this before and we ended up getting relegated.

This appointment would remind me of that one.  That's the parrallel

We also tried it with Little and Gregory, and they did okay.

Good point though they were both Villa men who came to the hotseat with a good reputation and both knew the club and its expectations.

[holtepaul]

Defeatest yes - but I cant see how it can be put any other way.

When you have Fulham attract Martin Jol, and you see Hodgson take a team that player for player are worse than Wigan and turn them around the way he did, whilst Martinez stayed rooted rock bottom until the last two weeks of the season.

How can it be any other way. We are basically getting a Mick McCarthy, a Phil Brown, a Alex McLeish (in fact, no, McLeish is better), a Iain Dowie as manager of Aston Villa.

We are (potentially) employing a guy whose record / methods / player dealings / and future potential is a lot lower than the likes of Sam Allerdyce who has had to go down a level.

Martinez has done nothing that someone like Simon Grayson hasn't done - and Grayson will probably go on to achieve more.

As someone said - an own goal at Old Trafford in the last game basically kept Wigan in the premier league - why should I be optimistic ?

Young is going , Friedal is going,

How about this - Darren Bent was sitting in front of the cameras the other day saying how he hopes it is true that Villa are getting Ancelotti - how the hell do you think him and Downing are feeling with this announcement ?

I'll be bloody amazed if both are still here come february 1st.

For those who remember, this seems early 80's all over again. Manager has disagreement with board, manager walks, board appoint manager who is well well over his head , players that made us the most successful side in europe sold each year to reduce increasing wage bill, those players replaced by youngsters who are the "future"

Team relegated.

Luckily we had a saviour then - will there be one this time.

Negative yes - but when you've seen it all before, you cant help being negative

[hilts_coolerking]

We also tried it with Little and Gregory, and they did okay.

Until it all went tits up and they returned to relative obscurity.

[Olneythelonely]

Defeatest yes - but I cant see how it can be put any other way.

When you have Fulham attract Martin Jol, and you see Hodgson take a team that player for player are worse than Wigan and turn them around the way he did, whilst Martinez stayed rooted rock bottom until the last two weeks of the season.

How can it be any other way. We are basically getting a Mick McCarthy, a Phil Brown, a Alex McLeish (in fact, no, McLeish is better), a Iain Dowie as manager of Aston Villa.

We are (potentially) employing a guy whose record / methods / player dealings / and future potential is a lot lower than the likes of Sam Allerdyce who has had to go down a level.

Martinez has done nothing that someone like Simon Grayson hasn't done - and Grayson will probably go on to achieve more.

As someone said - an own goal at Old Trafford in the last game basically kept Wigan in the premier league - why should I be optimistic ?

Young is going , Friedal is going,

How about this - Darren Bent was sitting in front of the cameras the other day saying how he hopes it is true that Villa are getting Ancelotti - how the hell do you think him and Downing are feeling with this announcement ?

I'll be bloody amazed if both are still here come february 1st.

For those who remember, this seems early 80's all over again. Manager has disagreement with board, manager walks, board appoint manager who is well well over his head , players that made us the most successful side in europe sold each year to reduce increasing wage bill, those players replaced by youngsters who are the "future"

Team relegated.

Luckily we had a saviour then - will there be one this time.

Negative yes - but when you've seen it all before, you cant help being negative

How can you have more paragraphs than words?

[dave.woodhall]

We also tried it with Little and Gregory, and they did okay.

Until it all went tits up and they returned to relative obscurity.

I'd be happy with Brian's first two years and the season he left.

[Ian.]

Whats wrong with Mick McCarthy? When you see there wage bill compared to most Premier teams you got to hand it to him, he is doing a grand job at Wolves.

[PeterWithe]

I can't see how sid or kmac are a lesser candidate than Martinez.

[olaftab]

37 is awfully young to take a job as important as this.

He seems a really nice guy, well spoken with good ideas about the game. I just think he might lack the ruthless streak needed to succeed at this level. Every great manager has that in their locker.

I have said no to Martinez but can't agree that 37 is too young. Cruyff won major honours  with Ajax in his thirties and how old is Guardiola?

[hawkeye]

Some people have missed the point, we are not in the position where we can bring in a big name to spend a 100 million in the hope that it delivers the promissed land, we have to try to do this another way. Martinez does not have the best record but he is young bright and could build on what we have, its a gamble but a better and frsher approach to bringing in someone in to hold the fort whilst he works on his next appointment.

[villadom]

What about Vanderlei Luxemburgo and his magic rectangle

[Louzie0]

How about this - Darren Bent was sitting in front of the cameras the other day saying how he hopes it is true that Villa are getting Ancelotti - how the hell do you think him and Downing are feeling with this announcement ?

Not wrist-slashing time yet - unless I missed the 'announcement'.

And if I was Martinez I'd be a bit pissed off.  On a purely results-led basis, he kept Wigan in the PL.  A week before, there were people on here fainting at the thought that Villa might go down to the Championship.  Nothing to do with the size of the club, everything to do with results, week to week in a very difficult season for Villa. 

Gary Mac and Houllier (behind the scenes) kept us up when it mattered along with the players and the support staff team.  Martinez and his team achieved the same thing.  Down to the wire, not a lot of difference in the last 3 weeks of last season.

Fair's fair.

[Risso]

What about Vanderlei Luxemburgo

Lovely walnut dashboard.

[OzVilla]

Some people have missed the point, we are not in the position where we can bring in a big name to spend a 100 million in the hope that it delivers the promissed land, we have to try to do this another way. Martinez does not have the best record but he is young bright and could build on what we have, its a gamble but a better and frsher approach to bringing in someone in to hold the fort whilst he works on his next appointment.

Well that depends on how you sell the Club and the position isn't it.

Big Club, strong fanbase, good players already here that have underperformed, great batch of young players coming through, great training set up, hugely supportive Chariman, some decent cash to spend.  In short, opportunity to build a legacy at a Club that has everything in place bar the leader.

You'd think these opportunities don't come around that often - It's certainly one i'd be selling to the Van Gaal's of thos world before I'd be speaking to the Martinez's.

[holtepaul]

Little and gregory is totally different.

Little WAS Aston Villa , Little had took Leicester to three play off finals, and was promoted - he had acheived what he could before coming here.

Little was passionate about the club, which eventually told on his health - Ellis said many a time, that Little was in at 6am - and left after midnight.

You also had two very successful coaches that also bled claret and blue and it was more of a case of the sum of the whole was greater than the parts. As was proved when JG left, we went downhill.

That Villa side didn't have a manager as such, all three were part of the success. Little was just the public media focal point.

That type of thing can only occur with the rare breed of player that was loyal to one club - the same reason Dalglish is being successful now.

martinez is a totally different proposition, and, going on what I just said, it could be a fact that the success of Wigan is their backroom team - have a look - you have an ex-player as manager, an ex-player as assistant manager, and an ex-manager as coach !

Will they work at villa ? doubt it.