Who Should be Aston Villa Manager ? Now with new, revised poll

[TheSandman]

A few pages back (maybe around 100... It seems that long ago with how fast this thread has moved today!) I made a long and rather boring post explaining why I would not want Martinez. This was long before he was a seriously linked contender.

My points were that he has overseen a very poor defence there which is the root of all there troubles. They have players like N'Zogbia and the two Jameses who played for Hamilton who would get into many teams in the league. Yet, they battle relegation under Martinez. He's picked up a few good players but for whatever reason his Wigan team have languished at the bottom. The one positive thing I can say is that he has managed to keep them up in the last two seasons despite it looking pretty grim for them.

[Eigentor]

Why do people criticise a manager's ability without looking at what teams he has managed. Jose would struggle to win things with Wigan.

I don't think people are saying that Martinez is crap because Wigan hasn't won the Premier League. But maybe they are wondering why, for example, Martinez seems to be unable to teach his players to defend properly.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

Someone has to take a punt on a manager sometime. As has been mentioned, we've tried the 'proven' route with 2 guys (Mon in particular) as high profile and respected as we are likely to get. Why not try something a bit different? It just might work.

In that case, why did'nt Fulham?

Well they did when they appointed Lawr....

Ah.

[Karl Bridges]

I agree. The logical step for Martinez now is a mid table team. Despite  a lot of posters on here seemingly being convinced we are Man Utd's equal have a world wide pull, we don't. We have finished outside of the top 5 for 13 years consecutively,as much as it pains me to say it we are a good mid-table team with ambition.

If we get a manager at the level of Benitez it will be because the money is right and we will be a project, where they may think that we should be grateful to have them as a manager. Or, we can get someone who will see Villa as the pinnacle of their career so far and be driven to prove they deserve the honour of managing our club and will strive to improve themselves and the team.

I can see the benefits of both the up and coming manager and also the experienced man. To write off Martinez because "he only just kept Wigan up" is a bit naive to say the least however to think Benitez or Ancelloti are automatically the answer to our problems is as well. Any appointment will be a gamble to a degree.

Oh and as a last point Martinez is currently employed, he is not the cheap option substantial compensation would have to be paid, Benitez comes for free.

Absolutely bang on the money.

[RunRickyRun]

you got Allardyce, Pullis and MON on one side of the footballing spectrum and Wenger, Roberto and maybe coyle on the other, loads inbetween obviously

would be great to have a manager at Villa with those football principles,
its a risk i agree, but one i would love to see us take

Romantically, it's a superb idea. Bright young manager, sound footballing principles, PL experience, an unknown quantity that might take the league by storm given a very decent squad and a big transfer pot to realise his ideas.

Logically, it's insane.

Sums it up brilliantly.

[curiousorange]

A few pages back (maybe around 100... It seems that long ago with how fast this thread has moved today!) I made a long and rather boring post explaining why I would not want Martinez. This was long before he was a seriously linked contender.

My points were that he has overseen a very poor defence there which is the root of all there troubles. They have players like N'Zogbia and the two Jameses who played for Hamilton who would get into many teams in the league. Yet, they battle relegation under Martinez. He's picked up a few good players but for whatever reason his Wigan team have languished at the bottom. The one positive thing I can say is that he has managed to keep them up in the last two seasons despite it looking pretty grim for them.

He was manager while they were getting into that relegation trouble.

[richard moore]

Such as losing 4-0 at home to Blackpool on the opening day of the season...

Though they probably didn't ship 6 at Newcastle either did they? You can prove whatever you want or don't want with individual results...

[ozzjim]

10th-14th sewn up next term.

It smacks of total lunacy to me.

Almost like Randy told Faulkner - go and get that Spanish fella, the one that did well up north. 24 hours later, Faulker brings in the Spanish fella... who is that,.... i want the one who wins football matches!!!

Just despair I really do. For all the good intentions of the board, Houllier was a logical quite well thought out appointment. This one smacks of dropping some LSD and watching re runs of Wigan games on the highlights reel, without the goals against.

[Nirog72]

Footballing opinion is alive and well. It's what makes this site fantastic.

[Iago]

I do not see Martinez's appointment as a bad move for ourselves. I agree it would be a risk, but a very rewarding risk if we are successful under him.

And I would also argue Martinez is likely to be more successful long term than McClaren.

Roberto is welcome by me.

[ozzjim]

Why do people criticise a manager's ability without looking at what teams he has managed. Jose would struggle to win things with Wigan.

I don't think people are saying that Martinez is crap because Wigan hasn't won the Premier League. But maybe they are wondering why, for example, Martinez seems to be unable to teach his players to defend properly.

Something we are so good at we need not worry about his issues there..... hmmmm

[Greg N'Ash]

The other thing is how can Martinez persuade the likes of Dunne and Warnock to pass the ball? If they had no respect for GH, they certainly won't have for Martinez

[not3bad]

you got Allardyce, Pullis and MON on one side of the footballing spectrum and Wenger, Roberto and maybe coyle on the other, loads inbetween obviously

would be great to have a manager at Villa with those football principles,
its a risk i agree, but one i would love to see us take

Romantically, it's a superb idea. Bright young manager, sound footballing principles, PL experience, an unknown quantity that might take the league by storm given a very decent squad and a big transfer pot to realise his ideas.

Logically, it's insane.

Sums it up brilliantly.

Yeah if it turns out to be Martinez I agree with these guys.  My glass is half full!

[not3bad]

The other thing is how can Martinez persuade the likes of Dunne and Warnock to pass the ball? If they had no respect for GH, they certainly won't have for Martinez

Dunne's off to Wolves.

[curiousorange]

Such as losing 4-0 at home to Blackpool on the opening day of the season...

Though they probably didn't ship 6 at Newcastle either did they? You can prove whatever you want or don't want with individual results...

See my post on the previous page. I'm not whining because he shipped nine at Spurs, I'm complaining because his average PL finish is just above the relegation zone.